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00:00:40>> DEMOCRATS GO BACK TO COURT
TO DISPUTE A REPUBLICAN-DRAWN
00:00:45MAP.
THE STATE'S FORMER ATTORNEY
00:00:48GENERAL COMES BACK TO OHIO TO
APPEAR WITH THE PRESIDENT --
00:00:50AND GET HIS NEW JOB IN
WASHINGTON IN A CONTROVERSIAL
00:00:53WAY.
AND ANTI-ABORTION ADVOCATES ARE
00:00:57CALLING 2011 THEIR BEST YEAR
YET.
00:00:58BUT ONE BILL THEY BACKED IS
BEING CHALLENGED BY THE
00:01:02AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION
-- WHICH IS USING AN AMENDMENT
00:01:04PUSHED BY THE TEA PARTY TO DO
IT.
00:01:06A LIVELY DISCUSSION WITH
LEADERS OF BOTH THE ACLU AND
00:01:09OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:01:13OHIO".
JUST A FEW WEEKS AFTER SETTLING
00:01:18ON A DEAL THAT INCLUDED A NEW
GOP-DRAWN CONGRESSIONAL
00:01:21DISTRICT MAP, LEGISLATIVE
DEMOCRATS ARE ASKING THE OHIO
00:01:24SUPREME COURT TO FIND THE NEW
MAP OF STATE HOUSE AND SENATE
00:01:26DISTRICTS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
DEMOCRATS IN THE OHIO HOUSE AND
00:01:32OHIO SENATE CHARGE THAT
REPUBLICAN STATE LEADERS
00:01:36VIOLATED PROVISIONS OF THE OHIO
CONSTITUTION THAT PROHIBIT
00:01:39DISTRICTS SPLITTING UP
COMMUNITIES -- AND SAYS THE
00:01:41MAPS SPLIT CITIES, COUNTIES, AND
OTHER COMMUNITIES MORE THAN 250
00:01:45TIMES.
>> THE OHIO CONSTITUTION IS VERY
00:01:53CLEAR THAT WHEN YOU DRAW THE
MAPS, THE MAPS OF THE DISTRICTS
00:01:57ARE SO NEW -- SUPPOSED TO BE
COMPACT, CONTIGUOUS, AND PERHAPS
00:02:01MOST IMPORTANT, THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO NOT DIVIDE
00:02:05COMMUNITIES.
YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DIVIDE
00:02:08COUNTIES, MOST IMPORTANT,
TOWNSHIPS, CITIES, AND WARDS,
00:02:13ESPECIALLY NOT FOR POLITICAL
GAIN, WHICH IS WHAT THE
00:02:16REPUBLICAN MAJORITY DID.
THEY DIVIDED COMMUNITIES 250
00:02:21TIMES.
>> AND THE DEMOCRATS' SUIT
00:02:22CHARGES THE GOP WITH VIOLATIONS
OF STATE OPEN MEETING LAWS,
00:02:24AFTER RECORDS SHOWED THEY USED
TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR A HOTEL
00:02:27ROOM WHERE THEY HELD SECRET
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE MAP.
00:02:29DEMOCRATS HAD FILED SUIT OVER
THE GOP DRAWN CONGRESSIONAL
00:02:33DISTRICT MAP, BUT THAT WAS
DROPPED AFTER A NEW MAP WAS
00:02:36APPROVED IN A DEAL TO MERGE THE
TWO PRIMARIES PLANNED FOR 2012
00:02:39INTO ONE ON MARCH 6.
A SPOKESMAN FOR THE OWNERS OF A
00:02:44NORTHEAST OHIO INJECTION WELL
THAT AGREED TO SHUT DOWN
00:02:47OPERATIONS LAST WEEK SAYS
THEY'RE PAYING FOR A GEOLOGIC
00:02:50STUDY OF THE AREA TO FIND OUT
WHY THERE HAVE BEEN NEARLY A
00:02:53DOZEN EARTHQUAKES IN THE AREA.
THE STATE HAS IMPOSED A
00:02:56MORATORIUM ON D&L ENERGY'S
DISPOSAL OF WASTEWATER FROM OIL
00:03:00AND GAS DRILLING -- CALLED
FRACKWATER -- AFTER 11 MINOR
00:03:04EARTHQUAKES, INCLUDING TREMORS
ON CHRISTMAS EVE AND NEW YEAR'S
00:03:06EVE.
STATE OFFICIALS SAY THEY
00:03:10BELIEVE INJECTING WASTEWATER
NEAR A FAULT LINE CREATED
00:03:13ENOUGH PRESSURE TO CAUSE
SEISMIC ACTIVITY.
00:03:14D&L ALSO PLANS TO REMOVE SOME
FRACKWATER FROM THE CLOSED WELL
00:03:20TO LOWER THE WELL'S INNER
PRESSURE.
00:03:21ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS ARE
PLANNING PROTEST AND STEPPING
00:03:25UP CALLS FOR A DRILLING
MORATORIUM, AND DEMOCRATIC STATE
00:03:26SEN. JOE SCHAVONI OF YOUNGSTOWN
WANTS A PUBLIC HEARING.
00:03:29OHIO'S FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL
MAY FINALLY GET THE JOB HE WAS
00:03:36NOMINATED FOR MONTHS AGO.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA WAS IN
00:03:39CLEVELAND THIS WEEK AND --
>> IT IS GOOD TO BE BACK IN
00:03:45OHIO.
PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS IN SUBURBAN
00:03:49CLEVELAND THIS WEEK AND
ANNOUNCED HE WAS USING HIS
00:03:53RECESS APPOINTMENT POWER TO
INSTALL RICHARD CORDRAY AS THE
00:03:55HEAD OF THE NEW THE CONSUMER
FINANCIAL PROTECTION BUREAU.
00:03:58OBAMA SAYS REPUBLICANS WOULD
JUST KEEP HOLDING RICHARD
00:04:03CORDRAY'S NOMINATION HOSTAGE,
BUT REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS ARE
00:04:05CONSIDERING LAWSUITS OVER THE
CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE MOVE,
00:04:07SINCE THE SENATE IS STILL IN A
FORM OF SESSION CALLED "PRO
00:04:09FORMA".
>> WHEN CONGRESS REFUSES TO ACT,
00:04:15AND AS A RESULT, HURT OUR
ECONOMY AND PUTS OUR PEOPLE AT
00:04:18RISK, THEN I HAVE THE OBLIGATION
AS PRESIDENT TO DO WHAT I CAN
00:04:22WITHOUT THEM.
>> CORDRAY WAS NOMINATED IN JULY
00:04:24TO HEAD UP THE AGENCY, WHICH
WOULD DEAL WITH UNSCRUPULOUS
00:04:26MORTGAGE COMPANIES, DISHONEST
PAYDAY LENDERS, AND OTHERS.
00:04:29BUT REPUBLICANS WHO OPPOSE THE
SPECIFICS OF HOW THE AGENCY
00:04:32WOULD OPERATE HAVE BLOCKED HIS
APPOINTMENT.
00:04:35AS POTENTIALLY THE MOST
RESTRICTIVE BAN ON ABORTION IN
00:04:39THE NATION, THE HEARTBEAT BILL
GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION LAST
00:04:41YEAR.
BUT THERE WERE ACTUALLY SEVEN
00:04:43ABORTION RELATED MEASURES THAT
WERE SIGNED INTO LAW OR WERE
00:04:46TUCKED INTO THE STATE BUDGET IN
2011 -- INCLUDING A BAN ON
00:04:48ABORTIONS AFTER THE 20TH WEEK
OF PREGNANCY, A REVISION OF
00:04:51RULES ON JUDICIAL BYPASS OF
PARENTAL CONSENT FOR MINORS, AND
00:04:55ONE THAT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW IN
MID-DECEMBER.
00:04:57HOUSE BILL 79 SAYS THAT OHIOANS
WON'T BE ABLE TO BUY COVERAGE
00:05:03FOR ABORTION IN THE HEALTH
INSURANCE PLANS OFFERED BY THE
00:05:06STATE'S INSURANCE MARKETPLACE
OR EXCHANGE, WHICH WOULD BE SET
00:05:09UP UNDER THE FEDERAL HEALTH
CARE LAW.
00:05:12WHILE IT WAS UNUSUAL TO SEE A
BILL THAT BANS ABORTION CAUSING
00:05:17A RIFT IN THE PRO-LIFE
COMMUNITY, AS THE HEARTBEAT BILL
00:05:19HAS, IT'S ALMOST SURREAL WHAT'S
HAPPENED WITH HOUSE BILL 79.
00:05:21THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES
UNION SAID IT WOULD SUE THE
00:05:25STATE OVER THAT LAW -- BUT WILL
DO IT BY USING THE TEA PARTY
00:05:29BACKED HEALTH CARE FREEDOM
AMENDMENT APPROVED BY VOTERS AS
00:05:32ISSUE 3 LAST YEAR.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE BATTLE
00:05:37OVER HOUSE BILL 79 ARE THE
GROUP THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, AND
00:05:42THE GROUP THAT'S NOW FIGHTING
AGAINST IT.
00:05:44MIKE GONIDAKIS IS PRESIDENT AND
FORMER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
00:05:46OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE, AND GARY
DANIELS IS ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF
00:05:49THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES
UNION.
00:05:52OF OHIO.
>> THE RATIONALE BEHIND HOUSE
00:06:01BILL 79, WHY WOULD RIGHT TO LIFE
OF THIS AS OPPOSED TO LETTING
00:06:07THE PLAN'S GOING TO PLACE AND
LET INDIVIDUAL TO DECIDE WHETHER
00:06:09IT WANTED TO PLANS THAT PROVIDE
ABORTION COVERAGE.
00:06:11>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON
THE SHOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST.
00:06:14FIRST, THE NEW HEALTH-CARE LAW
SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS STATES TO
00:06:19OPT OUT OF THE ABORTION COVERAGE
IN THE STATE EXCHANGE.
00:06:2312 STATES HAVE DONE THIS, OHIO
IS 13 AND 12 STATES HAVE IT
00:06:26WORKING THROUGH THEIR GENERAL
ASSEMBLY RIGHT NOW.
00:06:28THE NEW FEDERAL LAW ALLOWS US TO
DO THIS AND THAT IS WHY WE PUT
00:06:32FORWARD AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED
IT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
00:06:35>> THE LANGUAGE IN ISSUE 3,
SUPPORTED BY RIGHT-TO-LIFE,
00:06:39SAYING THE AMENDMENT WOULD
PROVIDE NO OHIO LAW OR RULE SHOW
00:06:43COMPEL ANY PERSON, AND BOYER,
HEALTH CARE PROVIDER TO PRODUCE
00:06:46A BIG IN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, NO
LOCK AND PROHIBIT THE PURCHASE
00:06:50OR SALE OF HEALTH CARE AND
HEALTH INSURANCE OR AND POSE A
00:06:54PENALTY OR FINE FOR THE SALE OF
HEALTH CARE OR INSURANCE.
00:06:56HOW DOES IT RELATE TO HOUSE BILL
79?
00:06:59>> WHAT IS IT IS AN UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCE OF ISSUE 3 BEING
00:07:03PART OF THE CONSTITUTION.
THE LANGUAGE OF ISSUE 3 WAS NOT
00:07:07MEANT, AT LEAST AS FAR AS I
KNOW, OR ANYBODY KNOWS, TO
00:07:11IMPACT SOMETHING LIKE HOUSE BILL
79 BUT IT DOES BECAUSE THERE IS
00:07:14NO LIMITING LANGUAGE.
IT SIMPLY SAYS THERE IS LANGUAGE
00:07:17ABOUT IMPACTING THE SALE OF
HEALTH CARE IN OHIO, OR HEALTH
00:07:24CARE PLANS.
YOU HAVE 79 SPECIFICALLY RELATED
00:07:27TO HEALTH CARE AND PLANS, AND
THEN BILL LANGUAGE AND ISSUES 3.
00:07:30BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION
SUPERSEDES OHIO LEGISLATION, IT
00:07:34IS THE OHIO CONSTITUTION
LANGUAGE THAT RULES.
00:07:38THE COULD HAVE DRAFT THE
LANGUAGE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
00:07:41I HAVE NO DOUBT.
BUT THEY DID NOT.
00:07:43BUT WHAT THEY ARE STUCK WITH IS
THIS CONSTITUTIONAL LANGUAGE
00:07:47IMPACTING HOUSE BILL 79, AGAIN,
IN A WAY IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO
00:07:50DO.
>> GIVEN THE OHIOANS --
00:07:54CONSTITUTION SUPERSEDE THE LAW
BUT DOESN'T FEDERAL LAW
00:07:58SUPERSEDE THE CONSTITUTION, AND
IF IT SAYS STATES CAN OPT OUT
00:08:01DOESN'T IT MAKE THIS KIND OF
NULL?
00:08:03>> THIS IS NOT THE BEGINNING OR
THE END OF THIS PARTICULAR
00:08:06DEBATE.
THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS
00:08:08THAT GO INTO THIS PARTICULAR
SITUATION.
00:08:10AS LAWYERS WHO ARE MUCH WISER
THAN I HAVE, SAYING WITH ANY
00:08:15LEGAL QUESTION, IT DEPENDS.
WHAT YOU HAVE -- YOU ALREADY
00:08:20HAVE A SEPARATE ISSUE OF WHETHER
OHIO ULTIMATELY WILL OR WILL NOT
00:08:26BE PART OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE
ACT.
00:08:28OR IN WHAT DIFFERENT SITUATIONS
IN WILL BE.
00:08:34DEPENDING ON HOW ALL OF THAT
ULTIMATELY SHAKES OUT, THAT
00:08:38MIGHT HAVE AN EFFECT ON HOUSE
BILL 79.
00:08:40I THINK REGARDLESS OF HOUSE BILL
79 OR NOT, I THINK THERE ARE
00:08:45STILL UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ON
HOW THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT
00:08:48ITSELF WILL BE IMPLANTED OR
MANIFEST IN OHIO.
00:08:51>> I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE
FREEDOM TO CHOOSE HEALTH CARE
00:08:56OPTIONS WAS PART OF ISSUE 3, THE
HEALTH CARE FREEDOM AMENDMENT.
00:09:00LET ME ASK YOU, MIKE, THE
FREEDOM TO CHOOSE YOUR HEALTH
00:09:03CARE OPTIONS, THIS ONE OR THAT
ONE, WHY NOT HAVE THE OPTIONS
00:09:06AVAILABLE AND HAVE PEOPLE CHOOSE
THEIR OWN?
00:09:10>> NE OHIOANS CAN CHOOSE THEIR
OWN HEALTH-CARE PLAN BUT IN 79
00:09:13WE ARE PREVENTING TAX DOLLARS
FROM PAYING FOR IT.
00:09:16WE HAVE A TAX LAW ON THE BOOK
SAYING STATE DOLLARS WOULD NOT
00:09:19GO TO PAY FOR ABORTION, STATE
EMPLOYEES OF THE EMPLOYER --
00:09:25PLANS.
IT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
00:09:27WITH CHOOSING THE PLAN WE WANT
WITH OUR OWN PRIVATE DOLLARS,
00:09:31BUT IT PREVENTS THE NEW STATE
EXCHANGE, WHICH HOUSE BILL 79
00:09:35DOES NOT PREVENT THE NEW
EXCHANGE BUT KEEPS THE ABORTION
00:09:37FUNDING OUT OF IT.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A LAWYER
00:09:41TO LOOK AT THE ISSUE, THAT ISSUE
3 DOES NOT RESTRICT THE
00:09:46GOVERNMENT FROM REASONABLE
REGULATION OF INDUSTRY.
00:09:48IF THAT WERE THE CASE, YOU WOULD
HAVE TO DO AWAY WITH DEPARTMENT
00:09:51OF HEALTH, REGULATE RINK --
DRINKING WATER, VACCINES.
00:09:54IT IS AN OVER READS ON THE PART
OF THE ACLU TO INDICATE THAT IS
00:09:58THE CASE.
AMITAY ANSWERS -- THE PERSON
00:10:02RESPONSIBLE FOR --
>> TWO ANSWERS, THE PERSON
00:10:07RESPONSIBLE FOR DRAFTING IT SAID
ESSENTIALLY SAIDOOPS.
00:10:10IF YOU WANT TO GET AROUND IT,
TRY TO TAKE ABORTION OUT OF THE
00:10:15HEALTH-CARE ARENA.
>> WAS FROM THE GROUP WILL PUT
00:10:18THE AMENDMENT BEFORE VOTERS.
>> BUT THAT WOULD LEAD TO OTHER
00:10:22UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE
ABORTION HERE IN OHIO IS
00:10:26REGULATED AS HEALTH CARE.
THE ISSUE THAT IT DOES NOT
00:10:28PREVENT TAXPAYERS TO USE THEIR
OWN MONEY TO PURCHASE HEALTH
00:10:32CARE.
NOT QUITE ACCURATE.
00:10:33WHAT BASICALLY HOUSE BILL 79
SAYS, IF YOU ARE A HEALTH
00:10:39INSURANCE COMPANY IN OHIO AND
YOU WILL OFFER INSURANCE THROUGH
00:10:41THE AFFORDABLE HAVE THE --
HEALTH CARE ACT, YOU CANNOT
00:10:45OFFER ABORTION COVERAGE.
EVEN IF IT IS SOMEBODY WHO IS
00:10:48PAYING THAT WITH THEIR OWN DIME.
IF I AM A COMPANY LOOKING AT
00:10:52THIS AND SAYING, DO I WANT TO GO
IN ON THE SIDE OF THE STATE AND
00:10:56GET ALL OF THOSE CUSTOMERS
THROUGH THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT
00:10:59OR DO I WANT TO TOTALLY IGNORE
IT AND NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF
00:11:03IT AND CONTINUE ALONG THE PATH
WE HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG AND
00:11:07OFFERING WHATEVER COVERAGE WE
DEEM FIT, I HAVE TO THINK -- I
00:11:11AM NO EXPERT -- BUT I HAVE TO
THINK THAT ALMOST ALL THE HEALTH
00:11:14CARE COMPANIES WILL SAY, YOU
KNOW WHAT, WE WILL SIDE WITH THE
00:11:18STATE AND OFFER COVERAGE THROUGH
THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
00:11:20WHAT YOU HAVE IS A DEFACTO BAND.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS LIMITING
00:11:25THE NUMBER OF HEALTH-CARE
COMPANIES THAT CAN OFFER
00:11:27ABORTION COVERAGE IN OHIO.
IT MIGHT NOT BE A TOTAL ABSENCE
00:11:31OF STRICT BAN, BUT WHAT IT IS IS
A DEFACTO BAND AND IT IS
00:11:36PREVENTING FAMILIES FROM USING
THEIR OWN MONEY TO PURCHASE A
00:11:39HEALTH COVERAGE PLAN THAT THEY
WYSS -- WISH TO COVER THEIR
00:11:43FAMILIES.
>> MIKE, I WANT TO ASK YOU --
00:11:47PIGGYBACKING ON THAT, BUT IT IS
PRETTY DELICATE TO TALK ABOUT.
00:11:49IF A BANK YOU DO NOT HAVE THE
COVERAGE AND A PROCEDURE IS
00:11:53NEEDED, DOESN'T IT PUT THE
BURDEN ON TAXPAYERS, THAT THEY
00:11:58HAVE TO PAY, WHICH YOU SAY YOU
ARE TRYING TO AVOID?
00:12:01>> GOOD QUESTION.
IF YOU READ HOUSE BILL 79, IT'S
00:12:05ABOUT NON-THERAPEUTIC.
TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER,
00:12:09IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO, WE PASS THE LEGISLATION THE
00:12:13LIFE OF THE MOTHER IS ALWAYS
INCLUDED.
00:12:15I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
BUT I THINK YOUR OPINION OF WHAT
00:12:19ISSUE 3 DOES DO, THE NEW
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, I
00:12:22REALLY THINK IT IS AN OVERREACH.
IT TRULY IS.
00:12:25LET'S GO BACK TO -- MAYBE IT IS
MEDICINAL MARIJUANA.
00:12:29NOW THOSE COULD LIGHT UP.
SOME PEOPLE CLAIM SMOKING A
00:12:34CIGARETTE, BERNARDS.
IT IS HEALTH CARE.
00:12:36IT IS SLIPPERY SLOPE.
NO JUDGE WILL SIDE WITH THE
00:12:40ARGUMENT.
>> OUR ARGUMENT -- EVERY TIME
00:12:43THERE IS AN ISSUE TO BE
LITIGATED IN OHIO REGARDING
00:12:48THESE TYPES OF ISSUES, THE ACLU
IS FRONT AND CENTER DOING IT.
00:12:52OUR LAWSUIT -- OUR LAWSUIT WILL
NOT REST OR FALL ON ISSUES
00:12:57LANGUAGE.
WE USE A VARIETY OF ARGUMENTS.
00:12:59FOR ALL I KNOW, ONCE THE LEGAL
TEAM IS READY TO FILE, THEY MAY
00:13:04CHOOSE TO LEAVE THE ISSUE IS THE
ARGUMENT OUT OF IT.
00:13:06THEY MIGHT CHOOSE TO HAVE A PART
OF IT.
00:13:09BUT THE COMPLAINT AND THE LEGAL
BRIEFS WE FILE WILL NOT BE
00:13:13STRICTLY DEPENDENT ON ISSUES 3.
>> DON'T YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE
00:13:18ORGANIZATION QUESTIONED WHETHER
ISSUE 3 ITSELF IS AN OVERREACH?
00:13:21>> WITH REGARD TO CIVIL
LIBERTIES AND CONSTITUTIONAL
00:13:25RIGHT THERE HAVE BEEN BRIEF
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ACLU, BOTH
00:13:28LOCALLY AND NATIONWIDE, WHETHER
IT IS A FIGHT FOR US WHATSOEVER.
00:13:32IT FALLS VERY MUCH OUTSIDE OF
OUR ARENA OF STRIP CIVIL
00:13:37LIBERTIES.
SO, WE WERE OUT OF THAT
00:13:40PARTICULAR BATTLE OR DEBATE
REGARDING THE AFFORDABLE CARE
00:13:44ACT.
BUT AS IT APPLIES HERE IN OHIO
00:13:46TO WHAT IS GOING ON HERE ON THE
GROUND, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT GOING
00:13:50TO BE THE ONLY ARGUMENT IN -- WE
MAKE BY ANY MEANS.
00:13:54>> POTENTIALLY NOT EVEN THE ONLY
LAW YOU WILL BE POTENTIALLY
00:13:58FILING SUIT OVER.
I THINK YOU SAID BEFORE IS THE
00:14:01HEART BEAT BILL DOES BECOME LAW,
THE ACLU WOULD CHALLENGE THAT.
00:14:05>> YES, WE SAID THAT ABSOLUTELY.
THAT IS AS OF THE LAW WAS
00:14:10CONSTRUCTED OVER TIME, THE WAY
IT CURRENTLY IS.
00:14:13MY UNDERSTANDING -- AND I THINK
EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING IN
00:14:17COLUMBUS -- THERE WILL BE
CHANGES TO HOUSE BILL 25.
00:14:20WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY AND OF
WHAT TYPE.
00:14:23THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING
THE HEARTBEAT PROVISION MAY BE
00:14:26TAKEN ENTIRELY OUT OF HOUSE BILL
125, AND WHAT YOU HAVE IS
00:14:31ESSENTIALLY SOME SORT OF
NOTIFICATION CONSENT-TYPE OF A
00:14:33BILL, AND TAKING REALLY THE MEAT
OUT OF IT.
00:14:37I DON'T KNOW THAT.
I DID NOT KNOW WHO IS PRIVY.
00:14:40I AM SURE IT IS THE LEGISLATORS
AND THEIR STAFFS.
00:14:43BUT WHAT EXACTLY LEGAL ARGUMENTS
WE USE TO CHALLENGE HOUSE BILL
00:14:47125 IS COMING TO DEPEND WHAT
HOUSE BILL 125 WILL LOOK LIKE IN
00:14:51ITS FINAL FORM.
WE ARE NOT THERE YET.
00:14:53FOR ALL WE KNOW, AT LEAST PAT --
AS THE NEWSPAPERS ARE REPORTING,
00:14:58HOUSE BILL 125 MAY NOT MAKE IT
THROUGH THE PROCESS.
00:15:01>> THE HEART BEAT BILL, THESE
CHANGES THAT BARRY REFERRED TO
00:15:05THAT CAME LATE, ALMOST AS THE
SENATE COMMITTEE WHO WAS HEARING
00:15:08THE BILL WAS POISED TO VOTE.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE LIST OF
00:15:11CHANGES?
I GUESS YOU CANNOT SAY YOU WERE
00:15:17IN LINE WITH THE BILL IN TERMS
OF ITS IDEAS, BUT YOU DID NOT
00:15:20OFFICIALLY ENDORSED THE BILL.
WOULD RIGHT TO LIFE BE WILLING
00:15:24TO ENDORSE THE BILL AS THE
CHANGES HAVE GONE FORWARD?
00:15:27>> APPARENTLY THE CHANGES WERE
GIVEN TO THE SENATE PRESIDENT OR
00:15:31SOMEONE IN THE SENATE TONIGHT WE
WERE SITTING IN THE COMMITTEE TO
00:15:34TESTIFY.
SO, WE HAVE NOT BEEN PRIVY TO
00:15:37ANY OF THE FOUR BEST PAGES
WORTH THAT I READ THE PAPER.
00:15:41-- FOUR-PAGES WORTH.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN A COPY OF
00:15:45IT.
I THINK IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN
00:15:47BUT THE SENATE WILL DO.
>> ONE MORE BILL I WANT TO ASK
00:15:51YOU BOTH ABOUT, IT WOULD DEFUND
PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
00:15:56AS -- FINALLY PROVIDE MUCH-
NEEDED RESOURCES TO LOCAL
00:16:00GROUPS THAT PROVIDES RESOURCES
TO WOMEN.
00:16:03IT DOES NOT JUST PROVIDE
ABORTIONS BUT IT IS FOR CONTROL
00:16:08AND CANCER SCREENING.
AREN'T YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE
00:16:11EFFECT ON LOW INCOME WOMEN TELL
IF YOU ARE ABLE TO GET THE BILL
00:16:15THROUGH?
>> AND THE STATE OF OHIO THERE
00:16:17ARE APPROXIMATELY 20 PLANNED
PARENTHOOD OFFICE IS, MAYBE
00:16:20LESS, DEPENDING ON SOME OTHER
CHANGES.
00:16:22IT BUT OVER 100 COMMUNITY HEALTH
CENTERS -- IN COLUMBUS, AKRON,
00:16:27CLEVELAND.
THE MONEY WILL GO TO THEM WHERE
00:16:29THE VAST AMOUNT OF WOMEN.
>> ARE THESE CRISIS PREGNANCY
00:16:34CENTERS OR BRING SOMETHING ELSE?
>> COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS THAT
00:16:37THE FEDERAL FUNDING.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE
00:16:41PRO-LIFE COMMUNITY PREGNANCY
CENTERS.
00:16:42THESE ARE COMMUNITY HEALTH
CENTERS ALL ACROSS THE STATE.
00:16:453-1, SOMETIMES 4-1.
IT WILL GO TO THE LOCAL
00:16:51DEPARTMENTS OF HEALTH TO GIVE
OUT AS WELL.
00:16:53WE ARE NOT SAYING IT CLEAR IN
PARENTHOOD SHOULD NOT GET ANY
00:16:57MONEY BUT PRIORITIES SHOULD BE
LOCAL DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH,
00:17:03COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS, AND
THEN PLANNED PARENTHOOD BECAUSE
00:17:05OF THE ABORTION PROVIDING THAT
THEY DO.
00:17:10>> I AM WATCHING IT PERSONALLY
BECAUSE PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND
00:17:14THE PAST HAS HELPED OUT FAMILY
MEMBERS AND FRIENDS OF MINE IN
00:17:17THE PAST WITH THE SERVICES THAT
THEY OFFER.
00:17:20AND WHAT THIS REALLY IS
UNFORTUNATELY IS IT IS A FULL
00:17:24FRONTAL ASSAULT ON FAMILIES AND
WOMEN'S ABILITY TO CHOOSE.
00:17:28>> NOT TRUE.
>> THIS IS JUST ONE ADDITIONAL
00:17:33PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
WHEN I TRAVEL AROUND OHIO.
00:17:36I HAVE LIVED ALL OVER OHIO.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE IN OHIO
00:17:42ONE?
I AM FROM YOUNGSTOWN AND I LIVE
00:17:44IN CLEVELAND.
-- LIVED IN CLEVELAND.
00:17:46THEY WANT JOBS AND THE ECONOMY
TO INCOME.
00:17:50WHAT THEY DON'T WANT IS A
HANDFUL OF BILLS FLOWING OUT OF
00:17:55THE LEGISLATURE WITH REGARD TO
THESE VERY PERSONAL, INTENSE
00:17:59DECISIONS WHICH ARE BEST MADE BY
FAMILIES AND NOT BY POLITICIANS.
00:18:02I FIND IT IRONIC THAT PEOPLE WHO
TALK SO MUCH ABOUT LIMITED
00:18:06GOVERNMENT ARE NOW PASSING LAWS
SAY WE WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO
00:18:11PURCHASE CERTAIN COVERAGE EVEN
WITH YOUR OWN MONEY, AND WE ARE
00:18:15GOING TO ATTEMPT TO DEFUND
ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDE
00:18:19EXTREMELY VALUABLE SERVICES HERE
IN OHIO FOR THOUSANDS AND TECH
00:18:23-- OR 10,000.
>> GARY, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY
00:18:28DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OHIO
RIGHT-TO-LIFE.
00:18:31I WISH YOU WOULD COME TO OUR
DEFENSE WHEN OUR PREGNANCY
00:18:34CENTERS ARE ATTACKED.
IN 2010, EVERY SINGLE ENDORSED
00:18:37OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE CANDIDATE WAS
ELECTED.
00:18:40ROB PORTMAN ON DOWN.
WE HAVE PRO-LIFE MAJORITIES IN
00:18:44THE HOUSE AND SENATE.
I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO
00:18:47WANT A STRONG ECONOMY, BUT WE
CAN'T WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE
00:18:50SAME TIME.
WE CAN PROTECT MOTHERS AND HELP
00:18:52THEIR BABIES AND PROVIDE BETTER
ADOPTION CARE AS WELL AS FINDING
00:18:57JOBS.
TO SAY OUR GOVERNMENT, WITH A
00:19:00DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN, AND
INDEPENDENT CAN ONLY DO ONE
00:19:02THING AT ONE TIME IS A COP OUT.
I THINK WE CAN TACKLE MULTIPLE
00:19:06ISSUES.
WE HAVE TO, WE COULD FAIL.
00:19:08YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH SOME OF
THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE TACKLING
00:19:12AS A GOVERNMENT AND SOCIETY BUT
WE ARE A MIDWESTERN STATE WITH
00:19:15MIDWESTERN VALUES.
>> LET ME ASK ME QUICKLY, MIKE,
00:19:19SINCE YOU ARE HERE.
YOUR JOB HAS CHANGED.
00:19:22YOU WERE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND
NOW YOU ARE PRESIDENT.
00:19:24YOU WERE IN THE CENTER OF THIS
SPLIT WITH REGARD TO THE HEART
00:19:29BEAT BILL, WHERE THE BACKERS
FORMED A POLITICAL ACTION
00:19:33COMMITTEE, OHIO PRO-LIFE ACTION,
SOME LOCAL PRO-LIFE CHAPTERS
00:19:39SPLIT AND HAD GONE OFF WITH OHIO
PRO-LIFE ACTION.
00:19:42WHAT IS YOUR ROLE IN ALL OF THAT
AND WHY ARE YOU NOW THE
00:19:46PRESIDENT AND NOT THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR.
00:19:48ARE YOU A CASUALTY?
>> NOT AT ALL.
00:19:50ACTUALLY PROMOTION.
I AM BLESSED THE BOARD GAVE ME
00:19:54THIS OPPORTUNITY.
IT WILL NOT BE SO MUCH OF THE
00:19:58DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT BUT
FOCUSING ON OUR LEGISLATIVE
00:20:01AFFAIRS AT THE STATEHOUSE AND
TRAVELING TO D.C. A LOT, WORKING
00:20:04WITH THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE.
WE WILL BRING IN A NEW EXECUTIVE
00:20:08DIRECTOR TO RUN THE RAILROAD, OF
SORTS, AND THIS ALLOWS US TO
00:20:11STRATEGIC THE POSITION FOR ME TO
BE OUT AND ABOUT MORE AS OPPOSED
00:20:14TO DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS.
WE ARE GROWING.
00:20:17WE HAVE TO BRING ANOTHER SET OF
HANDS.
00:20:20WE HAVE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL YEAR
IN OUR HISTORY.
00:20:22WE DID A YEAR-END REPORT AND
NEVER IN OUR HISTORY HAVE WE
00:20:26BEEN THAT SUCCESSFUL.
>> THIS PRO-LIFE ACTION PAC,
00:20:31THOUGH, HAS IT BEEN A REAL
ASSAULT ON YOUR FUND RAISING AND
00:20:34WHERE YOUR MONEY COMES FROM TO
BUY THE BATTLES?
00:20:37>> I AM SURE THEY ARE A PAC, I
THINK A C-4, WHICH I THINK IS
00:20:43DIFFERENT.
I WAS QUOTED IN THE PAPER
00:20:46SAYING, THE MORE THE MERRIER.
BECAUSE WE WORK WITH COUNTLESS
00:20:50NUMBERS OF PRO-LIFE GROUPS
ACROSS THE STATE, WHETHER
00:20:53AFFILIATED WITH US OR NOT.
TAKING SOME OF THE CHAPTERS AWAY
00:20:57-- AN ISSUE WE ARE DEALING WITH
THEM.
00:21:00BUT OUR FUND-RAISING HIT EVERY
TARGET AND WE HAD THE MOST
00:21:04SUCCESSFUL YEAR.
THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING.
00:21:06SEVEN LEGISLATIVE MEASURES AND
OUR DONORS RESPONDED.
00:21:10>> GARY, LET ME ASK YOU, ALL
THIS ATTENTION TO OHIO AND THE
00:21:14HEART BEAT BILL -- HAS THIS
BROUGHT NEW ATTENTION TO OHIO
00:21:18NATIONAL LEAGUE WITH CIVIL
RIGHTS GROUPS AND THOSE WHO ARE
00:21:20CONCERNED ABOUT THESE MEASURES?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
00:21:22IF THE HEART BEAT BILL PASSES AS
IT IS, IT WILL BE THE MOST
00:21:28RESTRICTIVE ANTI-ABORTION LAW IN
THE COUNTRY.
00:21:31I FIND IT IRONIC BECAUSE THERE
IS PROBABLY NOT MUCH AGREEMENT
00:21:33BETWEEN US TO ORGANIZATIONS, BUT
WE AND OHIO RIGHT-TO-LIFE ARE ON
00:21:38THE SAME SIDE OF THE BULK OF
THE HARD BE BILL IN THAT -- I
00:21:44DID NOT KNOW OHIO RIGHT-TO-
LIFE'S POSITION OF WHETHER IT IS
00:21:49UNCONSTITUTIONAL -- BUT I CAN
FAIRLY EXPLAIN THAT WE BOTH
00:21:53THINK IT IS AN OVERREACH.
WHAT CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THE ANTI-
00:21:57CHOICE SIDE IS TRYING TO DO IS
THROW THIS HAIL MARY PASS AND
00:22:01SAY MAYBE IF SOME DAY WE CAN GET
IT UP TO THE SUPREME COURT --
00:22:06UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, AND
DO IT QUICKLY, AND JUSTICE
00:22:09KENNEDY WOULD SERVE AS A SWING
VOTE TO NOT ONLY UPHOLD THE
00:22:13LEGISLATION BUT OVERTURN ROE
VERSUS WADE DESPITE NO EVIDENCE
00:22:18THAT JUSTICE KENNEDY WILL LOOK
AT IT THAT WAY.
00:22:20WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO ALONG
THE LINE IS CREATE BAD CASE LAW
00:22:24DAMAGING TO THEIR SIDE AND IS
VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ACLU'S
00:22:28POSITION, ALL ALONG THE WAY IN
EVERY STATE TRIED IT.
00:22:32>> ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE
PERSONHOOD AND THEN IN THAT IS
00:22:35AT LEAST IN THE SIGNATURE
GATHERING STAGE IN OHIO.
00:22:39>> THE ACLU IS VERY ACTIVE WITH
THE COALITION CALLED HEALTHY
00:22:43FAMILIES OHIO TO BATTLE AGAINST
THE PERSONHOOD AMENDMENT AND WE
00:22:48LOOK FORWARD TO THAT BATTLE AS
TIME GOES ON, AND IF THAT SHOULD
00:22:52PASS INTO LAW, I THINK WE CAN
COUNT ON MY ORGANIZATION, ACLU
00:22:56OHIO, TO BE THEIR FRONT AND
CENTER TO LITIGATE THAT
00:23:00PARTICULAR ISSUE.
BUT WITH THE PERSONHOOD
00:23:03AMENDMENTS, THAT IS SO EXTREME
TO SOME PEOPLE AS WELL AS THE
00:23:07HEART BEAT BILL AND SOME OF
THESE OTHER BILLS, THAT YOU EVEN
00:23:10HAD -- I THINK I CAN FAIRLY
CHARACTERIZE IT AS MAYBE THE
00:23:13MOST CONSERVATIVE STATE IN THE
ENTIRE COUNTRY, MISSISSIPPI,
00:23:16REJECTED THE PERSON WOULD BILL.
AND TALK ABOUT UNINTENDED
00:23:21CONSEQUENCES, WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT HOW THE WORD PERSON POPS
00:23:24UP UNDER OHIO REVISED AND
ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, SOMEBODY
00:23:29TOLD ME WELL OVER 10,000 ENGINES
WITH AN OHIO LAW.
00:23:32NOT ONLY ARE YOU AFFECTING
ABORTION, BUT YOU ARE AFFECTING
00:23:37A WHOLE SLEW OF OTHER LAWS >>
MIKE, ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE
00:23:41PERSONHOOD OHIO FOLKS?
>> WE THINK EVERY BABY IS A
00:23:44PERSON, EVERY BABY WITH A
BEATING HEART SHOULD BE
00:23:47PROTECTED.
>> WHAT ABOUT FERTILIZED EGGS
00:23:51THE --
>> EVERY BABY FROM THE MOMENT OF
00:23:53CONCEPTION SHOULD BE PROTECTED
THE WE ARE NOT ENGAGED IN THE
00:23:56PERSON WOULD AMENDMENT, NOT AN
ISSUE -- IT IS TACTICS AND
00:24:00STRATEGY AND WE ARE FOCUSING ON
WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THE GENERAL
00:24:04ASSEMBLY, ELECTED A PRO-LIFE
PRESIDENT, HOPEFULLY GETTING
00:24:11ROVERS IS WOULD OVERTURN.
IT DOES NOT MAKE ABORTION
00:24:14ILLEGAL.
IT JUST TURNED TO THE STATES.
00:24:16>> THANK YOU AT BOTH VERY MUCH.
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