00:00:38>> THE PRISON SYSTEM IS GETTING
BACK INTO EXECUTIONS.
00:00:44WE WILL HEAR FROM A SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE WHO IS NOW
00:00:49SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE LAW HE
HELPED TO CREATE.
00:00:52AND A CHECK-UP ON AN OHIO DOCTOR
THAT IS TRYING TO GET MACHINES
00:00:57IN SCHOOLS.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:01:04OHIO."
>> THE STATE IS SCHEDULING
00:01:14EXECUTIONS AGAIN -- THE NEXT ONE
ON THE CALENDAR IS THE SEPTEMBER
00:01:1520 EXECUTION OF 47-YEAR-OLD
DONALD PALMER, WHO'S ON DEATH
00:01:17ROW FOR SHOOTING STEVEN VARGO
AND CHARLES SPONHALTZ BOTH TWICE
00:01:19IN THE HEAD IN BELMONT COUNTY
IN 1989.
00:01:20THE PAROLE BOARD HAS
RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST
00:01:23CLEMENCY, AND PALMER HAD
DECLINED TO ASK FOR MERCY.
00:01:26THIS WOULD BE OHIO'S FIRST
EXECUTION SINCE APRIL 18, WHEN
00:01:31MARK WILES WAS PUT TO DEATH.
FEDERAL JUDGE GREGORY FROST
00:01:35BLOCKED TWO EXECUTIONS AFTER
SAYING THE STATE HAD NOT BEEN
00:01:39FOLLOWING ITS OWN RULES AND
GUIDELINES REGARDING HOW TO PUT
00:01:43INMATES TO DEATH, BUT ALLOWED
WILES' EXECUTION TO GO FORWARD.
00:01:46THEN GOV. JOHN KASICH COMMUTED
THE SENTENCES OF ABDUL HAMIN
00:01:50AWKAL AND JOHN ELEY EARLIER
THIS SUMMER.
00:01:52MEANWHILE, ONE OF THE STATE'S
MOST LONG-SERVING JUSTICES HAS
00:01:57BEEN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST
OHIO'S DEATH PENALTY LAW, WHICH
00:02:00HE HELPED CREATE.
OHIO SUPREME COURT JUSTICE PAUL
00:02:04PFEIFER HAS WRITTEN ABOUT HIS
CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEATH
00:02:07PENALTY STATUTE, AND LAST MONTH
EVEN TOLD A HOUSE COMMITTEE THE
00:02:10LAW'S APPLICATION HAS BECOME
HIT-OR-MISS, DEPENDING ON WHERE
00:02:14A CRIME IS COMMITTED AND WHAT
THE COUNTY PROSECUTOR'S ATTITUDE
00:02:16IS.
PFEIFER SAYS THE STATE IS NO
00:02:22LONGER SERVED WELL BY THE LAW.
HIS CHANGE OF HEART HAS
00:02:25SURPRISED MANY PEOPLE ON BOTH
SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
00:02:27I TALKED WITH OHIO SUPREME
COURT SENIOR JUSTICE PAUL
00:02:30PFEIFER IN JANUARY ABOUT HIS
CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY
00:02:33LAW THAT HE WROTE.
WELCOME.
00:02:40LET'S GO BACK TO 1981.
YOU WERE IN THE STATE SENATE AT
00:02:45THE TIME.
YOU HELPED TO WRITE AND
00:02:48SPONSORED THE LEGISLATION.
OHIO WAS NOT DOING EXECUTIONS
00:02:51BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT RULED
IN 1972 THAT THE STATES DEATH
00:02:55PENALTY LAW WAS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
00:02:57THIS LAW WAS A SECOND TRY TO GET
THE SUPREME COURT TO FIND THE
00:03:02LAW CONSTITUTIONAL AND UPHOLD
IT.
00:03:04WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH?
00:03:06>> THE OHIO'S STATUTE HAD BEEN
STRICKEN TWICE.
00:03:11THE HOUSE SPEAKER AND I WERE
BOTH HERE IN 1971 WHEN WE TRIED
00:03:19TO ADDRESS A THE FIRST TIME.
THAT WAS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE
00:03:24REWRITE OF THE CRIMINAL LAWS.
THAT DID NOT LAST LONG AT ALL.
00:03:30THE U.S. SUPREME COURT STRUCK IT
SAYING IT WAS OVERLY BROAD.
00:03:34WE WERE TRYING TO CRAFT A
STATUTE THAT WAS NARROWLY
00:03:38TAILORED AND WOULD FOCUS ON THE
WORST OF THE WORST KINDS OF
00:03:46MURDERS.
WE THOUGHT WE HAD DONE THAT.
00:03:51PART OF MY SURPRISE WAS THAT
PROSECUTORS WERE CHARGING IN
00:04:01CASES I DID NOT THINK WOULD BE
INCLUDED WHEN WRITING THE BILL.
00:04:04OUR COURT HAD BEEN SOMEWHAT
ACCOMMODATING IN BROADENING THE
00:04:11DEFINITION.
I THINK OUR STATUTE IS HARDLY --
00:04:17IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ARGUE
IT IS SINGLING OUT OR AVAILABLE
00:04:23JUST FOR THE WORST OF THE WORST
TODAY.
00:04:25>> YOU HAVE SAID THE DEATH
PENALTY IN OHIO HAS BECOME THE
00:04:28DEATH LOTTERY.
EXPLAIN THAT.
00:04:31>> I THINK THAT WELL-DESCRIBES
WHAT IS HAPPENING.
00:04:33THE BIG CHANGE TO ME IS THAT IN
1981 WHEN WE WERE WRITING THIS
00:04:39IN THE SENATE, WE INCLUDED LIFE
WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE.
00:04:46THE HOUSE OBJECTED TO THAT.
IN THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE I
00:04:50CHAIRED, WE DID A LOT --
DEADLOCKED.
00:04:55THE HOUSE INSISTED THEY DID NOT
WANT THAT AS AN OPTION.
00:04:58FROM THE START, I FELT THE
STATUTES WAS DEFICIENT.
00:05:04SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THE
LEGISLATURE HAS MADE THAT A
00:05:08CHOICE.
THEY EVENTUALLY MADE IT A CHOICE
00:05:12THAT COULD BE THE FIRST CHOICE
FOR A JURY.
00:05:14THE JURY WHEN DEALING WITH A
HEINOUS CRIME DOES NOT HAVE TO
00:05:24TAKE A VOTE SAYING 12 OF US
AGREE NOT TO APPLY THE DEATH
00:05:27PENALTY.
THEY CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY THIS
00:05:31CAN BE LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.
THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
00:05:33THE NUMBER OF CONVICTIONS IS
DROPPING OFF.
00:05:36IN A LOT OF COUNTIES,
PROSECUTORS ARE OPTING NOT TO GO
00:05:43FOR THE DEATH PENALTY AT ALL AND
LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF
00:05:49PAROLE.
IN OTHER COUNTIES WHERE SOME SAY
00:05:55IT EVERY CASE OUGHT TO BE A
DEATH PENALTY CASE AND ARE PROUD
00:05:58OF IT.
IT IS A GEOGRAPHICAL LOTTERY AT
00:06:01THIS POINT AS TO WHERE YOU
COMMIT THE CRIME WHETHER OR NOT
00:06:07YOU WILL BE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF
THE JURY WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF
00:06:11DEATH.
>> YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE ON DEATH
00:06:14ROW THAT ARE CONVICTED OF MAYBE
JUST ONE MURDER.
00:06:17>> THEY ARE ALL BAD.
THE FOLKS WHO GET DRAWN INTO THE
00:06:23STATUTE HAVE ALL DONE SENSELESS,
HEINOUS CRIMES.
00:06:27THE OTHER THING IS WITH THE 150
OR SO FOLKS ON DEATH ROW, THE
00:06:36MAJORITY OF THEM WERE PUT THERE
WHEN LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF
00:06:41PAROLE WAS NOT AN OPTION FOR THE
JURY.
00:06:44THAT IS A BUILT IN AND FAIRNESS.
TODAY IF THEIR CASES WERE TRIED
00:06:55, THERE IS A BETTER THAN EVEN
CHANCE MANY WOULD HAVE BEEN
00:06:59GIVEN LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY
PAROLE AND NOT THE DEATH
00:07:03SENTENCE.
>> OHIO STARTED DOING EXECUTIONS
00:07:06AGAIN IN 1999.
IT HAS DONE A TOTAL OF 46 CENTS
00:07:12THEN.
FOR YOU CONCERNED ANYONE HAS
00:07:13BEEN EXECUTED THAT SHOULD NOT
HAVE BEEN?
00:07:15ARE THERE PEOPLE IN PRISON WHO
MIGHT HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE WHO
00:07:19WERE NOT?
PEOPLE ON DEATH ROW THAT SHOULD
00:07:21NOT HAVE BEEN?
WHAT IS THE CONCERN FOR YOU?
00:07:24>> I DO NOT KNOW ANY OF THOSE
INDIVIDUALS THE WAY TERRY
00:07:31COLLINS AND OTHER PRISON
OFFICIALS DID.
00:07:36THEY SAID IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO
DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE ON A
00:07:39DAILY BASIS AND THE PEOPLE NOT
EVEN IN FOR MURDER, YOU MIGHT
00:07:43WONDER IN TERMS OF IF WE'RE
GETTING THE WORST OF THE WORST
00:07:51ABOUT THAT.
I CANNOT MAKE A JUDGMENT ABOUT
00:07:55THAT.
CERTAINLY, IT STILL SEEMS VERY
00:08:01IT AND THIS REGION HIT AND MISS.
IT PUTS AN AWESOME BURDEN ON THE
00:08:06GOVERNOR TO LOOK AT THESE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE IRONIES ABOUT
00:08:13THE STATUE IN THE DEBATE
UNFOLDING NOW.
00:08:16KASICH WAS IN THE SENATE WITH ME
WHEN WE PASSED THIS.
00:08:23I AM GUESSING HE WAS A CO-
SPONSOR.
00:08:25MIKE DEWINE WAS A NEW SENATOR.
WE WERE ALL THERE AT THE START.
00:08:36IF I WERE GOVERNOR KASICH, I
WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED IN
00:08:45PUBLICLY DISCUSSING THE PERSONAL
TUG-OF-WAR THAT GOES ON
00:08:54INTERNALLY AS HE HAS TO LOOK AT
EACH ONE OF THESE.
00:08:58THAT IS A TERRIBLE
RESPONSIBILITY.
00:09:00I RAN FOR GOVERNOR A NUMBER OF
YEARS AGO.
00:09:03I RECOGNIZED THE IRONY AT THAT
TIME IF I HAD WON.
00:09:09I DID NOT COME CLOSE.
AS I THOUGHT ABOUT BEGINNING A
00:09:15PROCESS, I THOUGHT IF I SUCCEED
AT THIS, I AM GOING TO HAVE TO
00:09:21DEAL WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
I THINK AS A SOCIETY, WE HAVE
00:09:25MOVED ON AS WELL.
YOU SEE THIS HAPPENING IN OTHER
00:09:30STATES.
AFTER MY TESTIMONY IN THE
00:09:37GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THERE WERE A
NUMBER OF EDITORIALS.
00:09:40MANY EDITORIAL BOARDS WERE
OPPOSED TO THE DEATH PENALTY.
00:09:46A PARTICULARLY STINGING ONE CAME
FROM CHARLESTON, WEST VIRGINIA,
00:09:53IN WHICH THEY POINTED OUT THAT
WEST VIRGINIA COMMAND OF THE
00:09:56HIGH GROUND COMPARED TO OHIO.
WE DO NOT THINK OF OUR NEIGHBORS
00:10:01IN WEST VIRGINIA AS BEING BETTER
THAN US ON MANY OCCASIONS.
00:10:03THEY MAY BE, BUT WE'RE NOT
WILLING TO ADMIT IT.
00:10:07BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE DEATH
PENALTY.
00:10:09THEY WERE MAKING SOME
UNCOMPLIMENTARY OBSERVATIONS
00:10:18ABOUT OHIO AND POINTING OUT OUR
NEIGHBORING STATES STILL HAVE ON
00:10:22THE BOOKS BUT ARE NOT USING IT.
ILLINOIS JUST REPEALED IT.
00:10:24THERE IS A TREND OR MOVEMENT
AWAY FROM THE DEATH PENALTY.
00:10:28I THINK PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO
REALIZE LIFE IN PRISON IS
00:10:37PROBABLY ENOUGH.
WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT US AS A
00:10:41SOCIETY THAT WE CONTINUE TO FEEL
WE NEED THIS?
00:10:43>> THIS IS A STUNNING
TURNAROUND, IN MY VIEW.
00:10:47YOU WERE ONE OF THE AUTHORS OF
THE LAW.
00:10:50YOU CO-SPONSORED IT.
YOU SEE IT APPLIED REGULARLY AS
00:10:53A JUSTICE ON THE OHIO SUPREME
COURT.
00:10:55YOU ARE NOW TALKING AGAINST IT.
IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE
00:11:04EXTRAORDINARY.
DID YOU EVER FEEL THIS WAS TOO
00:11:07RISKY A MOVE TO MAKE OR
SOMETHING YOU HAD TO SAY AND DO?
00:11:13>> I CAME TO THE COURT.
WHEN I WAS HELPING TO WRITE THIS
00:11:20LAW AND CHAIRING THE COMMITTEE,
I HAD NO VISION AROUND THE
00:11:26CORNER AND I WOULD EVER BE A
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.
00:11:28IT WAS NOT AN AMBITION OF MINE.
HOW I GOT TO THE COURT IS AN
00:11:35ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STORY.
ONE DAY YOU WAKE UP AND YOU ARE
00:11:40ON THE SUPREME COURT.
THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU ARE
00:11:43LOOKING AT DEATH PENALTY CASES.
I WAS QUICKLY SURPRISED AT THE
00:11:48WILLINGNESS OF MY COLLEAGUES TO
BLESS CASES WHERE IT SEEMED TO
00:11:57ME THEY WERE MARGINAL IN TERMS
OF QUALIFYING FOR DEATH PENALTY
00:12:03CASES.
THAT BEGAN MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
00:12:05AS I WATCHED THIS UNFOLD AND AS
THE LEGISLATURE PUT IN LIFE
00:12:13WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE,
THAT WAS ALWAYS THE OBJECTION OF
00:12:16THE PUBLIC WHEN WE DID NOT HAVE
THE DEATH PENALTY STATUTE.
00:12:19IT WAS LIFE WITH PAROLE
ELIGIBILITY AFTER 30 YEARS OR 20
00:12:23YEARS AND YOU HAD GOOD TIME ON
THAT.
00:12:27ANYONE CONVICTED GOT LIFE.
THEY COULD BE OUT IN ABOUT 23
00:12:35YEARS.
THAT WAS UNACCEPTABLE TO THE
00:12:38PUBLIC.
THE STATUTE TODAY, LIFE IS LIFE.
00:12:43THERE IS NO BACK DOOR OUT OF
THAT.
00:12:46I THINK WITH A LARGE SEGMENT OF
THE PUBLIC, AS THEY THINK ABOUT
00:12:51IT, AS THEY RECOGNIZE WHAT OUR
INSISTENCE ON EXECUTING PEOPLE
00:13:02SAYS ABOUT US, NOT JUST THE
PEOPLE THAT COMMIT THESE
00:13:07HORRIBLE ACTS, BUT WHAT IT SAYS
ABOUT US AS A SOCIETY, I THINK
00:13:11MORE PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING IT,
AS I HAVE.
00:13:13I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REFLECT
ON THAT.
00:13:15IN EUROPE, COUNTRIES THAT WANT
TO GET INTO THE EUROPEAN UNION
00:13:23CANNOT GIVE AND UNLESS THEY GET
RID OF THE DEATH PENALTY.
00:13:26-- CANNOT GET IN UNLESS THEY GET
RID OF THE DEATH PENALTY.
00:13:31ALL OF EUROPE IN THE E.U. IS OUT
OF THIS.
00:13:34THE COUNTRY'S BETTER THE MOST
AGGRESSIVE ARE CHINA, SAUDI
00:13:41ARABIA, AND A FEW OTHERS IN THE
MIDEAST IN TERMS OF USING THE
00:13:44DEATH PENALTY.
>> DID YOU WORRY YOU WOULD BE
00:13:49CONSIDERED A FLIP-FLOP PER OR
TRY TO LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH?
00:13:55>> NOT LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH.
PEOPLE WHO USE THAT TERM ARE
00:14:03SMALL MINDED.
WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE A GOOD
00:14:05ARGUMENT AS TO WHAT YOU ARE
TALKING ABOUT, THEY WILL COME UP
00:14:11WITH PEJORATIVE TERMS LIKE THAT.
I THINK ANYONE IN PUBLIC LIFE
00:14:21HAS TO BE OPEN TO RETHINKING
DECISIONS YOU HAVE MADE.
00:14:26TO ME, THE WORLD HAS CHANGED.
THE STATUTE HAS CHANGED.
00:14:32TO ME, THAT IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.
00:14:35WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATE PENALTY
THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE DEATH FOR
00:14:38MURDER CASES.
I AM IN A UNIQUE POSITION TO
00:14:48CALL ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT
I THINK AS A STATE, AS A
00:14:54SOCIETY, WE NEED TO REEXAMINE
OUR POSITION INDIVIDUALLY AND AS
00:15:01A BODY POLITIC.
THAT PROCESS IS UNFOLDING.
00:15:05I THINK IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE
WHILE.
00:15:07I DO NOT THINK YOU REACT TO
POLLS.
00:15:11SHORTLY AFTER I TESTIFIED, THERE
WAS A NATIONAL SURVEY THAT CAME
00:15:20OUT AND SHOWED AN ENORMOUS DROP
OFF IN THE NUMBER OF EXECUTIONS.
00:15:27ANOTHER INTERESTING ASPECT OF
THIS AS IT APPLIES TO OHIO IS WE
00:15:33NOW HAVE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE
THAT HAVE SAT ON DEATH ROW FOR
00:15:36YEARS.
THEIR APPEALS ARE NOW COMPLETED.
00:15:39AT THE COURT, WE'RE GETTING
NOTICES FROM PROSECUTORS THAT
00:15:44ALL FEDERAL AND STATE APPEALS
HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED.
00:15:46IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO SET AN
EXECUTION DATE.
00:15:49WE DO THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND
00:15:55ADMINISTRATION.
THE GOVERNOR'S ADMINISTRATION
00:16:00HAS ASKED US NOT TO SET MORE
THAN ONE A MONTH.
00:16:02IF WE REALLY HAD A FEELING THAT
THIS WAS A GREAT LOSS -- LAW AND
00:16:12OUGHT TO EXECUTE THOSE WHO HAD
TO PROCESS AND ALL OF THEIR
00:16:16RIGHTS, OVER THE NEXT MONTH, WE
COULD EXECUTE ONE AND DAY.
00:16:21WE WOULD BE LEADING TAXES AND
THE NEXT OF THE -- REST OF THE
00:16:26NATION.
-- WE WOULD BE LEAVING THE STATE
00:16:29OF TEXAS AND THE REST OF THE
COUNTRY.
00:16:30THEY DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
WE'RE SETTING DATES NOW TWO
00:16:34YEARS OUT.
I THINK THE ONLY REASON THAT IS
00:16:36HAPPENING IS BECAUSE FOLKS
REALIZE IF WE SUDDENLY LEAD THE
00:16:43NATION IN THE RATE AT WHICH
WE'RE EXECUTING PEOPLE, A LOT OF
00:16:49FOLKS WILL BECOME UNCOMFORTABLE.
>>
00:16:54>> OHIO SUPREME COURT CHIEF
JUSTICE MAUREEN O'CONNOR HAS
00:16:56CONVENED A TASK FORCE THAT IS
STUDYING HOW THE DEATH PENALTY
00:16:57IS USED IN OHIO, BUT SHE
CAUTIONS THAT THE PANEL IS NOT
00:16:59ABLE TO REVIEW THE DEATH PENALTY
ITSELF -- THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR
00:17:01STATE LAWMAKERS.
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING
00:17:04COMPLETELY DIFFERENT -- A NEW
BOOK WRITTEN BY AN OHIO DOCTOR
00:17:06THAT TAKES THE TOPIC OF TRAGEDY
AND TRIES TO TURN IT AROUND.
00:17:09DR. TERRY GORDON OF AKRON IS A
CARDIOLOGIST WITH THE CLEVELAND
00:17:14CLINIC BEFORE HE RETIRED.
HE WAS FIRST ON THIS SHOW IN
00:17:18JUNE OF 2004, TALKING ABOUT HIS
MISSION TO SEE HEART SHOCKING
00:17:22AUTOMATIC EXTERNAL
DEFIBRILLATORS -- OR AED'S --
00:17:26INSTALLED IN ALL OHIO SCHOOLS.
THAT CRUSADE WAS SPARKED WHEN
00:17:30GORDON SAW A VIDEO OF THE DEATH
OF 15-YEAR-OLD FOOTBALL PLAYER
00:17:33JOSH MILLER IN FRONT OF A CROWD
GATHERED FOR A GAME AT
00:17:36BARBERTON HIGH SCHOOL IN 2000.
SINCE THEN, 4,500 AED'S HAVE
00:17:40BEEN INSTALLED IN OHIO SCHOOLS,
AND GORDON TOOK HIS IDEA
00:17:45NATIONAL, WORKING TO CREATE THE
JOSH MILLER HEARTS ACT --
00:17:48"HEARTS" STANDS FOR "HELPING
EVERYONE ACCESS RESPONSIVE
00:17:51TREATMENT IN SCHOOLS."
BUT GORDON HAS BEEN FACING HIS
00:17:55OWN PERSONAL TRIAL -- HIS
COLLEGE-AGED SON TYLER WAS
00:17:58PARALYZED IN AN AUTO ACCIDENT
IN 2009.
00:17:59GORDON CHRONICLES HIS STRUGGLE
TO UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT HIS
00:18:04FAMILY'S CRISIS IN HIS BOOK "NO
STORM LASTS FOREVER:
00:18:08TRANSFORMING SUFFERING INTO
INSIGHT."
00:18:09IT'S A RELENTLESSLY CALM AND
POSITIVE JOURNAL OF HIS
00:18:14REACTIONS TO HIS SON'S ACCIDENT
THAT GORDON SAYS SEEKS TO
00:18:16UPLIFT READERS AND SUGGEST TO
THEM THAT "EXPERIENCES BECOME
00:18:19CALAMITIES ONLY IF WE MAKE THE
CONSCIOUS DECISION TO MAKE
00:18:23TRAGEDIES OUT OF THEM."
HE SAYS THERE ARE NO
00:18:28COINCIDENCES, AND EACH
EXPERIENCE IS A GIFT THAT
00:18:30PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO BE GRATEFUL
FOR BECAUSE THEY CAN LEAD TO
00:18:33GROWTH AND ENLIGHTENMENT.
I TALKED TO DR. TERRY GORDON
00:18:37RECENTLY THROUGH THE FACILITIES
OF WVIZ IN CLEVELAND.
00:18:39>> THE WHOLE TIME, FROM THE VERY
BEGINNING, I DID NOT PRAY TYLER
00:18:49WOULD WALK AGAIN.
MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN FOR HIM TO
00:18:55HEAL.
I WAS A CARDIOLOGISTS BEFORE I
00:19:02RETIRE.
A PRACTICED MANY YEARS THINKING
00:19:05WAS HELPING TO CURE PEOPLE.
HEALING DOES NOT OCCUR ON THE
00:19:08PHYSICAL PLANE.
HEALING OCCURS IN THE SPIRITUAL
00:19:13PLANE.
>> YOU TELL STORIES OF MEETING
00:19:16PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD TERRIBLE
ACCIDENTS, DEVASTATING
00:19:20DIAGNOSES.
THEY HAVE COME TO TERMS WITH
00:19:22THEM LIKE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY HAVE COME TO A PLACE OF
00:19:24PEACE.
THEY HAVE LEARNED ABOUT
00:19:26THEMSELVES AND THE PEOPLE THEY
CARE ABOUT.
00:19:28TO A SKEPTIC, THIS MAY SOUND
LIKE IT IS OVERLY OPTIMISTIC.
00:19:37>> MY MANTRA HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO
BE OPEN TO EVERYTHING AND
00:19:45ATTACHED TO NOTHING.
I AM NOT HERE TO SAY THIS IS THE
00:19:47ONLY WAY TO GO THROUGH
SOMETHING.
00:19:49I AM JUST SHARING MY TRUTH AND
MY EXPERIENCE.
00:19:52IT WAS NOT CONCOCTED.
YOU CAN TELL WHEN SOMETHING IS
00:19:56GENUINE INTUITIVELY.
YOU CAN JUST SENSE IT.
00:20:02THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE COMING IN
AND OUT OF MY LIFE FOR 10 OF 15
00:20:06YEARS PREPARING ME FOR THIS
EVENT.
00:20:09EVERYBODY GOES THROUGH IT
DIFFERENTLY.
00:20:14I AM NOT SAYING MY TEMPLATE IS
THE ONLY WAY.
00:20:16THE PURPOSE OF MY BOOK IS TO
SHARE THE EXPERIENCE.
00:20:20IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT A KID THAT
HAD A SPINAL CORD INJURY.
00:20:25IT IS ABOUT ANYBODY THAT HAS
EXPERIENCED A LOSS.
00:20:28WHETHER IT IS THE LOSS OF A
SPOUSE, SIGNIFICANT OTHER, LOSS
00:20:33OF A RELATIONSHIP, LOSS OF A
PORTFOLIO, LOSS OF YOUR JOB, THE
00:20:36SUFFERING THAT GOES WITHOUT --
WITH THAT.
00:20:41MY POINT IS A TRAGEDY IS ONLY A
CALAMITY IF YOU DECIDE TO MAKE
00:20:45IT SO.
I MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION
00:20:49NOT TO LOOK AT THIS AS A
TRAGEDY, BUT TO LOOK AT THIS AS
00:20:53A GIFT.
IF YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN LEARN
00:20:56FROM IT.
THE REAL TRAGEDY IN ANY EVENT
00:20:59SUCH AS THIS IS GOING THROUGH IT
AND NOT LEARNING FROM IT.
00:21:03EACH OF THESE THINGS THAT
HAPPENS TO US, THERE ARE TOOLS
00:21:08FOR US TO USED TO PROPEL
OURSELVES ON TO A HIGHER PLANE
00:21:12THAN WE WERE WHEN WE FIRST
ARRIVED IN THIS MATERIAL WORLD.
00:21:15>> I WANT TO ASK YOU FOR AN
UPDATE ON YOUR MISSION IN LIFE.
00:21:23THE LAST TIME WE TALKED, IT WAS
ABOUT A DESIRE TO GET AUTOMATIC
00:21:28EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATORS INTO
SCHOOLS.
00:21:31YOU DID THAT IN OHIO.
YOU CAMPAIGNED TO DO THAT ACROSS
00:21:34THE COUNTRY.
WHERE DOES THAT STAND RIGHT NOW?
00:21:37>> THE BILL PASSED THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES IN JUNE OF 2008.
00:21:41OUR CONGRESSWOMAN IS THE ONE
THAT PROPOSED IT.
00:21:46IT DID NOT MAKE IT THROUGH THE
SENATE.
00:21:47IT WAS PROPOSED AGAIN BY
CONGRESSWOMAN SUTTON IN 2009.
00:21:53IT DID NOT MAKE IT THROUGH THE
COMMITTEE IN THE SENATE.
00:21:59IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AGAIN IN
THE HOUSE AND SENATE.
00:22:01THE TRAVESTY IS THAT SINCE THE
BILL WAS FIRST PASSED IN 2008,
00:22:09206 CHILDREN HAVE DIED OF
CARDIAC ARREST IN OUR SCHOOLS AS
00:22:14A DIRECT RESULT OF THIS BILL NOT
PASSING.
00:22:16THIS BILL WILL FUND PUTTING AN
AED IN EVERY SCHOOL IN THE
00:22:21COUNTRY, PUBLIC, PRIVATE,
CHARTER.
00:22:30MOST UPSETTING THING TO ME IS
THAT THE WHOLE TIME THIS BILL
00:22:33HAS BEEN PROPOSED BUT NOT
PASSED, IF YOU WALK THROUGH THE
00:22:36OFFICES OF THE HOUSE AND
SENATE, GUESS WHAT IS HANGING ON
00:22:40THE WALLS OF ALL OF THEIR
OFFICES?
00:22:42AED'S.
THIS IS A BILL THAT MUST PASS.
00:22:49IT IS A BILL THAT WILL TOUCH
LITERALLY, POTENTIALLY EVERY
00:22:55SINGLE LIFE IN AMERICA.
EVERY SCHOOL DAY, 20% OF THE
00:23:00ADULT AND CHILD POPULATION IS IN
OUR SCHOOLS.
00:23:02THIS IS NOT JUST FOR CHILDREN.
THIS IS FOR ANYBODY THAT HAPPENS
00:23:06TO BE IN OUR SCHOOLS.
GRANDPARENTS, ADMINISTRATORS,
00:23:10MAINTENANCE WORKERS.
IT IS LIKE SMOKE DETECTORS ONLY
00:23:13SAVES MANY MORE LIVES.
SMOKE DETECTORS ARE FEDERALLY
00:23:16MANDATED TO BE IN EVERY
BUILDING.
00:23:18THEY SAVE ABOUT 6000 LIVES A
YEAR.
00:23:20THAT IS FANTASTIC.
AED'S TO SAVE 50,000 TO $100,000
00:23:31-- 100,000 LIVES.
I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT
00:23:34THE POWER OF INTENTION.
I SEE THIS BILL AS GETTING
00:23:37THERE.
WE WILL.
00:23:37I BELIEVE IN IT.
>> THE CONCERN OVER THE BILL IS
00:23:41NOT THE INTENTION OF IT.
IT IS THE COST OF IT AND HOW IT
00:23:45WOULD BE PAID FOR, RIGHT?
>> THAT IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN
00:23:50DRAWN IN THE SAND.
FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
00:23:52I AM ALL FOR FISCAL
RESPONSIBILITY.
00:23:55BUT WE WASTE BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
00:23:59WE SPEND BILLIONS ON
PREVENTATIVE MEDICINE.
00:24:03THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS.
THIS IS A DEVICE THAT WILL
00:24:07PREVENT CHILDREN AND ANYONE ELSE
THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN THE
00:24:11SCHOOLS FROM DYING.
IF YOU WAIT FOR THE PARAMEDICS,
00:24:15EVERY MINUTE SOMEONE IS IN
CARDIAC ARREST, THEIR CHANCE OF
00:24:18SURVIVAL DROPS BY 10%.
THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME IS 8
00:24:22TO 12 MINUTES.
THAT IS WHY ONLY 3% TO 5% OF
00:24:27PEOPLE THAT HAVE CARDIAC ARREST
SURVIVE.
00:24:29IF YOU DO CPR, THAT DOUBLES THE
CHANCE TO 6% OR 10%.
00:24:35IF YOU DO CPR AND ADD AN AED,
ABOARD A 50% WILL SURVIVE.
00:24:43IT IS IMPORTANT THESE BE PLACED
IN SCHOOLS, SHOPPING MALLS, GOLF
00:24:49COURSES.
THEY ARE MANDATED TO BEAT IN
00:24:52AIRPLANES.
YOU WILL BE 30 TIMES GREATER
00:24:56CHANCE OF HAVING A CARDIAC
ARREST IN THE SCHOOL THEN IN AN
00:24:59AIRPLANE.
WHEN A PERSON IS SHOCKED BY A
00:25:02COP, THEIR CHANCE OF SURVIVAL IS
10 TIMES GREATER THAN IF YOU
00:25:08WAIT FOR THE PARAMEDICS.
THEY SHOULD BE EVERYWHERE,
00:25:11SCHOOLS INCLUDED.
>THE BOOK CAME OUT IN JULY,
00:25:17FEATURING A FOREWORD BY WELL-
KNOWN SELF-HELP AUTHOR DR.
00:25:19WAYNE DYER. GORDON WAS ALSO
HONORED THIS YEAR WITH THE
00:25:21AKRON COMMUNITY FOUNDATION'S
TOP HUMANITARIAN AWARD, WHICH
00:25:24HE WILL RECEIVE NEXT MONTH.
AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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00:26:33TEACHERS AND FACULTY WORKING FOR
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