00:00:38 | >> THE PRISON SYSTEM IS GETTING BACK INTO EXECUTIONS. |
00:00:44 | WE WILL HEAR FROM A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE WHO IS NOW |
00:00:49 | SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE LAW HE HELPED TO CREATE. |
00:00:52 | AND A CHECK-UP ON AN OHIO DOCTOR THAT IS TRYING TO GET MACHINES |
00:00:57 | IN SCHOOLS. ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF |
00:01:04 | OHIO." >> THE STATE IS SCHEDULING |
00:01:14 | EXECUTIONS AGAIN -- THE NEXT ONE ON THE CALENDAR IS THE SEPTEMBER |
00:01:15 | 20 EXECUTION OF 47-YEAR-OLD DONALD PALMER, WHO'S ON DEATH |
00:01:17 | ROW FOR SHOOTING STEVEN VARGO AND CHARLES SPONHALTZ BOTH TWICE |
00:01:19 | IN THE HEAD IN BELMONT COUNTY IN 1989. |
00:01:20 | THE PAROLE BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST |
00:01:23 | CLEMENCY, AND PALMER HAD DECLINED TO ASK FOR MERCY. |
00:01:26 | THIS WOULD BE OHIO'S FIRST EXECUTION SINCE APRIL 18, WHEN |
00:01:31 | MARK WILES WAS PUT TO DEATH. FEDERAL JUDGE GREGORY FROST |
00:01:35 | BLOCKED TWO EXECUTIONS AFTER SAYING THE STATE HAD NOT BEEN |
00:01:39 | FOLLOWING ITS OWN RULES AND GUIDELINES REGARDING HOW TO PUT |
00:01:43 | INMATES TO DEATH, BUT ALLOWED WILES' EXECUTION TO GO FORWARD. |
00:01:46 | THEN GOV. JOHN KASICH COMMUTED THE SENTENCES OF ABDUL HAMIN |
00:01:50 | AWKAL AND JOHN ELEY EARLIER THIS SUMMER. |
00:01:52 | MEANWHILE, ONE OF THE STATE'S MOST LONG-SERVING JUSTICES HAS |
00:01:57 | BEEN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST OHIO'S DEATH PENALTY LAW, WHICH |
00:02:00 | HE HELPED CREATE. OHIO SUPREME COURT JUSTICE PAUL |
00:02:04 | PFEIFER HAS WRITTEN ABOUT HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEATH |
00:02:07 | PENALTY STATUTE, AND LAST MONTH EVEN TOLD A HOUSE COMMITTEE THE |
00:02:10 | LAW'S APPLICATION HAS BECOME HIT-OR-MISS, DEPENDING ON WHERE |
00:02:14 | A CRIME IS COMMITTED AND WHAT THE COUNTY PROSECUTOR'S ATTITUDE |
00:02:16 | IS. PFEIFER SAYS THE STATE IS NO |
00:02:22 | LONGER SERVED WELL BY THE LAW. HIS CHANGE OF HEART HAS |
00:02:25 | SURPRISED MANY PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE. |
00:02:27 | I TALKED WITH OHIO SUPREME COURT SENIOR JUSTICE PAUL |
00:02:30 | PFEIFER IN JANUARY ABOUT HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY |
00:02:33 | LAW THAT HE WROTE. WELCOME. |
00:02:40 | LET'S GO BACK TO 1981. YOU WERE IN THE STATE SENATE AT |
00:02:45 | THE TIME. YOU HELPED TO WRITE AND |
00:02:48 | SPONSORED THE LEGISLATION. OHIO WAS NOT DOING EXECUTIONS |
00:02:51 | BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT RULED IN 1972 THAT THE STATES DEATH |
00:02:55 | PENALTY LAW WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. |
00:02:57 | THIS LAW WAS A SECOND TRY TO GET THE SUPREME COURT TO FIND THE |
00:03:02 | LAW CONSTITUTIONAL AND UPHOLD IT. |
00:03:04 | WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? |
00:03:06 | >> THE OHIO'S STATUTE HAD BEEN STRICKEN TWICE. |
00:03:11 | THE HOUSE SPEAKER AND I WERE BOTH HERE IN 1971 WHEN WE TRIED |
00:03:19 | TO ADDRESS A THE FIRST TIME. THAT WAS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE |
00:03:24 | REWRITE OF THE CRIMINAL LAWS. THAT DID NOT LAST LONG AT ALL. |
00:03:30 | THE U.S. SUPREME COURT STRUCK IT SAYING IT WAS OVERLY BROAD. |
00:03:34 | WE WERE TRYING TO CRAFT A STATUTE THAT WAS NARROWLY |
00:03:38 | TAILORED AND WOULD FOCUS ON THE WORST OF THE WORST KINDS OF |
00:03:46 | MURDERS. WE THOUGHT WE HAD DONE THAT. |
00:03:51 | PART OF MY SURPRISE WAS THAT PROSECUTORS WERE CHARGING IN |
00:04:01 | CASES I DID NOT THINK WOULD BE INCLUDED WHEN WRITING THE BILL. |
00:04:04 | OUR COURT HAD BEEN SOMEWHAT ACCOMMODATING IN BROADENING THE |
00:04:11 | DEFINITION. I THINK OUR STATUTE IS HARDLY -- |
00:04:17 | IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ARGUE IT IS SINGLING OUT OR AVAILABLE |
00:04:23 | JUST FOR THE WORST OF THE WORST TODAY. |
00:04:25 | >> YOU HAVE SAID THE DEATH PENALTY IN OHIO HAS BECOME THE |
00:04:28 | DEATH LOTTERY. EXPLAIN THAT. |
00:04:31 | >> I THINK THAT WELL-DESCRIBES WHAT IS HAPPENING. |
00:04:33 | THE BIG CHANGE TO ME IS THAT IN 1981 WHEN WE WERE WRITING THIS |
00:04:39 | IN THE SENATE, WE INCLUDED LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE. |
00:04:46 | THE HOUSE OBJECTED TO THAT. IN THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE I |
00:04:50 | CHAIRED, WE DID A LOT -- DEADLOCKED. |
00:04:55 | THE HOUSE INSISTED THEY DID NOT WANT THAT AS AN OPTION. |
00:04:58 | FROM THE START, I FELT THE STATUTES WAS DEFICIENT. |
00:05:04 | SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THE LEGISLATURE HAS MADE THAT A |
00:05:08 | CHOICE. THEY EVENTUALLY MADE IT A CHOICE |
00:05:12 | THAT COULD BE THE FIRST CHOICE FOR A JURY. |
00:05:14 | THE JURY WHEN DEALING WITH A HEINOUS CRIME DOES NOT HAVE TO |
00:05:24 | TAKE A VOTE SAYING 12 OF US AGREE NOT TO APPLY THE DEATH |
00:05:27 | PENALTY. THEY CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY THIS |
00:05:31 | CAN BE LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING. |
00:05:33 | THE NUMBER OF CONVICTIONS IS DROPPING OFF. |
00:05:36 | IN A LOT OF COUNTIES, PROSECUTORS ARE OPTING NOT TO GO |
00:05:43 | FOR THE DEATH PENALTY AT ALL AND LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF |
00:05:49 | PAROLE. IN OTHER COUNTIES WHERE SOME SAY |
00:05:55 | IT EVERY CASE OUGHT TO BE A DEATH PENALTY CASE AND ARE PROUD |
00:05:58 | OF IT. IT IS A GEOGRAPHICAL LOTTERY AT |
00:06:01 | THIS POINT AS TO WHERE YOU COMMIT THE CRIME WHETHER OR NOT |
00:06:07 | YOU WILL BE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THE JURY WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF |
00:06:11 | DEATH. >> YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE ON DEATH |
00:06:14 | ROW THAT ARE CONVICTED OF MAYBE JUST ONE MURDER. |
00:06:17 | >> THEY ARE ALL BAD. THE FOLKS WHO GET DRAWN INTO THE |
00:06:23 | STATUTE HAVE ALL DONE SENSELESS, HEINOUS CRIMES. |
00:06:27 | THE OTHER THING IS WITH THE 150 OR SO FOLKS ON DEATH ROW, THE |
00:06:36 | MAJORITY OF THEM WERE PUT THERE WHEN LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF |
00:06:41 | PAROLE WAS NOT AN OPTION FOR THE JURY. |
00:06:44 | THAT IS A BUILT IN AND FAIRNESS. TODAY IF THEIR CASES WERE TRIED |
00:06:55 | , THERE IS A BETTER THAN EVEN CHANCE MANY WOULD HAVE BEEN |
00:06:59 | GIVEN LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY PAROLE AND NOT THE DEATH |
00:07:03 | SENTENCE. >> OHIO STARTED DOING EXECUTIONS |
00:07:06 | AGAIN IN 1999. IT HAS DONE A TOTAL OF 46 CENTS |
00:07:12 | THEN. FOR YOU CONCERNED ANYONE HAS |
00:07:13 | BEEN EXECUTED THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN? |
00:07:15 | ARE THERE PEOPLE IN PRISON WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE WHO |
00:07:19 | WERE NOT? PEOPLE ON DEATH ROW THAT SHOULD |
00:07:21 | NOT HAVE BEEN? WHAT IS THE CONCERN FOR YOU? |
00:07:24 | >> I DO NOT KNOW ANY OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THE WAY TERRY |
00:07:31 | COLLINS AND OTHER PRISON OFFICIALS DID. |
00:07:36 | THEY SAID IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO DEAL WITH THESE PEOPLE ON A |
00:07:39 | DAILY BASIS AND THE PEOPLE NOT EVEN IN FOR MURDER, YOU MIGHT |
00:07:43 | WONDER IN TERMS OF IF WE'RE GETTING THE WORST OF THE WORST |
00:07:51 | ABOUT THAT. I CANNOT MAKE A JUDGMENT ABOUT |
00:07:55 | THAT. CERTAINLY, IT STILL SEEMS VERY |
00:08:01 | IT AND THIS REGION HIT AND MISS. IT PUTS AN AWESOME BURDEN ON THE |
00:08:06 | GOVERNOR TO LOOK AT THESE. THIS IS ONE OF THE IRONIES ABOUT |
00:08:13 | THE STATUE IN THE DEBATE UNFOLDING NOW. |
00:08:16 | KASICH WAS IN THE SENATE WITH ME WHEN WE PASSED THIS. |
00:08:23 | I AM GUESSING HE WAS A CO- SPONSOR. |
00:08:25 | MIKE DEWINE WAS A NEW SENATOR. WE WERE ALL THERE AT THE START. |
00:08:36 | IF I WERE GOVERNOR KASICH, I WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED IN |
00:08:45 | PUBLICLY DISCUSSING THE PERSONAL TUG-OF-WAR THAT GOES ON |
00:08:54 | INTERNALLY AS HE HAS TO LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE. |
00:08:58 | THAT IS A TERRIBLE RESPONSIBILITY. |
00:09:00 | I RAN FOR GOVERNOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. |
00:09:03 | I RECOGNIZED THE IRONY AT THAT TIME IF I HAD WON. |
00:09:09 | I DID NOT COME CLOSE. AS I THOUGHT ABOUT BEGINNING A |
00:09:15 | PROCESS, I THOUGHT IF I SUCCEED AT THIS, I AM GOING TO HAVE TO |
00:09:21 | DEAL WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY. I THINK AS A SOCIETY, WE HAVE |
00:09:25 | MOVED ON AS WELL. YOU SEE THIS HAPPENING IN OTHER |
00:09:30 | STATES. AFTER MY TESTIMONY IN THE |
00:09:37 | GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF EDITORIALS. |
00:09:40 | MANY EDITORIAL BOARDS WERE OPPOSED TO THE DEATH PENALTY. |
00:09:46 | A PARTICULARLY STINGING ONE CAME FROM CHARLESTON, WEST VIRGINIA, |
00:09:53 | IN WHICH THEY POINTED OUT THAT WEST VIRGINIA COMMAND OF THE |
00:09:56 | HIGH GROUND COMPARED TO OHIO. WE DO NOT THINK OF OUR NEIGHBORS |
00:10:01 | IN WEST VIRGINIA AS BEING BETTER THAN US ON MANY OCCASIONS. |
00:10:03 | THEY MAY BE, BUT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO ADMIT IT. |
00:10:07 | BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY. |
00:10:09 | THEY WERE MAKING SOME UNCOMPLIMENTARY OBSERVATIONS |
00:10:18 | ABOUT OHIO AND POINTING OUT OUR NEIGHBORING STATES STILL HAVE ON |
00:10:22 | THE BOOKS BUT ARE NOT USING IT. ILLINOIS JUST REPEALED IT. |
00:10:24 | THERE IS A TREND OR MOVEMENT AWAY FROM THE DEATH PENALTY. |
00:10:28 | I THINK PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO REALIZE LIFE IN PRISON IS |
00:10:37 | PROBABLY ENOUGH. WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT US AS A |
00:10:41 | SOCIETY THAT WE CONTINUE TO FEEL WE NEED THIS? |
00:10:43 | >> THIS IS A STUNNING TURNAROUND, IN MY VIEW. |
00:10:47 | YOU WERE ONE OF THE AUTHORS OF THE LAW. |
00:10:50 | YOU CO-SPONSORED IT. YOU SEE IT APPLIED REGULARLY AS |
00:10:53 | A JUSTICE ON THE OHIO SUPREME COURT. |
00:10:55 | YOU ARE NOW TALKING AGAINST IT. IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE |
00:11:04 | EXTRAORDINARY. DID YOU EVER FEEL THIS WAS TOO |
00:11:07 | RISKY A MOVE TO MAKE OR SOMETHING YOU HAD TO SAY AND DO? |
00:11:13 | >> I CAME TO THE COURT. WHEN I WAS HELPING TO WRITE THIS |
00:11:20 | LAW AND CHAIRING THE COMMITTEE, I HAD NO VISION AROUND THE |
00:11:26 | CORNER AND I WOULD EVER BE A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. |
00:11:28 | IT WAS NOT AN AMBITION OF MINE. HOW I GOT TO THE COURT IS AN |
00:11:35 | ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STORY. ONE DAY YOU WAKE UP AND YOU ARE |
00:11:40 | ON THE SUPREME COURT. THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU ARE |
00:11:43 | LOOKING AT DEATH PENALTY CASES. I WAS QUICKLY SURPRISED AT THE |
00:11:48 | WILLINGNESS OF MY COLLEAGUES TO BLESS CASES WHERE IT SEEMED TO |
00:11:57 | ME THEY WERE MARGINAL IN TERMS OF QUALIFYING FOR DEATH PENALTY |
00:12:03 | CASES. THAT BEGAN MY THOUGHT PROCESS. |
00:12:05 | AS I WATCHED THIS UNFOLD AND AS THE LEGISLATURE PUT IN LIFE |
00:12:13 | WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE, THAT WAS ALWAYS THE OBJECTION OF |
00:12:16 | THE PUBLIC WHEN WE DID NOT HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY STATUTE. |
00:12:19 | IT WAS LIFE WITH PAROLE ELIGIBILITY AFTER 30 YEARS OR 20 |
00:12:23 | YEARS AND YOU HAD GOOD TIME ON THAT. |
00:12:27 | ANYONE CONVICTED GOT LIFE. THEY COULD BE OUT IN ABOUT 23 |
00:12:35 | YEARS. THAT WAS UNACCEPTABLE TO THE |
00:12:38 | PUBLIC. THE STATUTE TODAY, LIFE IS LIFE. |
00:12:43 | THERE IS NO BACK DOOR OUT OF THAT. |
00:12:46 | I THINK WITH A LARGE SEGMENT OF THE PUBLIC, AS THEY THINK ABOUT |
00:12:51 | IT, AS THEY RECOGNIZE WHAT OUR INSISTENCE ON EXECUTING PEOPLE |
00:13:02 | SAYS ABOUT US, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT COMMIT THESE |
00:13:07 | HORRIBLE ACTS, BUT WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT US AS A SOCIETY, I THINK |
00:13:11 | MORE PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING IT, AS I HAVE. |
00:13:13 | I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REFLECT ON THAT. |
00:13:15 | IN EUROPE, COUNTRIES THAT WANT TO GET INTO THE EUROPEAN UNION |
00:13:23 | CANNOT GIVE AND UNLESS THEY GET RID OF THE DEATH PENALTY. |
00:13:26 | -- CANNOT GET IN UNLESS THEY GET RID OF THE DEATH PENALTY. |
00:13:31 | ALL OF EUROPE IN THE E.U. IS OUT OF THIS. |
00:13:34 | THE COUNTRY'S BETTER THE MOST AGGRESSIVE ARE CHINA, SAUDI |
00:13:41 | ARABIA, AND A FEW OTHERS IN THE MIDEAST IN TERMS OF USING THE |
00:13:44 | DEATH PENALTY. >> DID YOU WORRY YOU WOULD BE |
00:13:49 | CONSIDERED A FLIP-FLOP PER OR TRY TO LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH? |
00:13:55 | >> NOT LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH. PEOPLE WHO USE THAT TERM ARE |
00:14:03 | SMALL MINDED. WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE A GOOD |
00:14:05 | ARGUMENT AS TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THEY WILL COME UP |
00:14:11 | WITH PEJORATIVE TERMS LIKE THAT. I THINK ANYONE IN PUBLIC LIFE |
00:14:21 | HAS TO BE OPEN TO RETHINKING DECISIONS YOU HAVE MADE. |
00:14:26 | TO ME, THE WORLD HAS CHANGED. THE STATUTE HAS CHANGED. |
00:14:32 | TO ME, THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. |
00:14:35 | WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATE PENALTY THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE DEATH FOR |
00:14:38 | MURDER CASES. I AM IN A UNIQUE POSITION TO |
00:14:48 | CALL ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT I THINK AS A STATE, AS A |
00:14:54 | SOCIETY, WE NEED TO REEXAMINE OUR POSITION INDIVIDUALLY AND AS |
00:15:01 | A BODY POLITIC. THAT PROCESS IS UNFOLDING. |
00:15:05 | I THINK IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE. |
00:15:07 | I DO NOT THINK YOU REACT TO POLLS. |
00:15:11 | SHORTLY AFTER I TESTIFIED, THERE WAS A NATIONAL SURVEY THAT CAME |
00:15:20 | OUT AND SHOWED AN ENORMOUS DROP OFF IN THE NUMBER OF EXECUTIONS. |
00:15:27 | ANOTHER INTERESTING ASPECT OF THIS AS IT APPLIES TO OHIO IS WE |
00:15:33 | NOW HAVE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAT ON DEATH ROW FOR |
00:15:36 | YEARS. THEIR APPEALS ARE NOW COMPLETED. |
00:15:39 | AT THE COURT, WE'RE GETTING NOTICES FROM PROSECUTORS THAT |
00:15:44 | ALL FEDERAL AND STATE APPEALS HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED. |
00:15:46 | IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO SET AN EXECUTION DATE. |
00:15:49 | WE DO THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND |
00:15:55 | ADMINISTRATION. THE GOVERNOR'S ADMINISTRATION |
00:16:00 | HAS ASKED US NOT TO SET MORE THAN ONE A MONTH. |
00:16:02 | IF WE REALLY HAD A FEELING THAT THIS WAS A GREAT LOSS -- LAW AND |
00:16:12 | OUGHT TO EXECUTE THOSE WHO HAD TO PROCESS AND ALL OF THEIR |
00:16:16 | RIGHTS, OVER THE NEXT MONTH, WE COULD EXECUTE ONE AND DAY. |
00:16:21 | WE WOULD BE LEADING TAXES AND THE NEXT OF THE -- REST OF THE |
00:16:26 | NATION. -- WE WOULD BE LEAVING THE STATE |
00:16:29 | OF TEXAS AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. |
00:16:30 | THEY DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT. WE'RE SETTING DATES NOW TWO |
00:16:34 | YEARS OUT. I THINK THE ONLY REASON THAT IS |
00:16:36 | HAPPENING IS BECAUSE FOLKS REALIZE IF WE SUDDENLY LEAD THE |
00:16:43 | NATION IN THE RATE AT WHICH WE'RE EXECUTING PEOPLE, A LOT OF |
00:16:49 | FOLKS WILL BECOME UNCOMFORTABLE. >> |
00:16:54 | >> OHIO SUPREME COURT CHIEF JUSTICE MAUREEN O'CONNOR HAS |
00:16:56 | CONVENED A TASK FORCE THAT IS STUDYING HOW THE DEATH PENALTY |
00:16:57 | IS USED IN OHIO, BUT SHE CAUTIONS THAT THE PANEL IS NOT |
00:16:59 | ABLE TO REVIEW THE DEATH PENALTY ITSELF -- THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR |
00:17:01 | STATE LAWMAKERS. AND NOW FOR SOMETHING |
00:17:04 | COMPLETELY DIFFERENT -- A NEW BOOK WRITTEN BY AN OHIO DOCTOR |
00:17:06 | THAT TAKES THE TOPIC OF TRAGEDY AND TRIES TO TURN IT AROUND. |
00:17:09 | DR. TERRY GORDON OF AKRON IS A CARDIOLOGIST WITH THE CLEVELAND |
00:17:14 | CLINIC BEFORE HE RETIRED. HE WAS FIRST ON THIS SHOW IN |
00:17:18 | JUNE OF 2004, TALKING ABOUT HIS MISSION TO SEE HEART SHOCKING |
00:17:22 | AUTOMATIC EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATORS -- OR AED'S -- |
00:17:26 | INSTALLED IN ALL OHIO SCHOOLS. THAT CRUSADE WAS SPARKED WHEN |
00:17:30 | GORDON SAW A VIDEO OF THE DEATH OF 15-YEAR-OLD FOOTBALL PLAYER |
00:17:33 | JOSH MILLER IN FRONT OF A CROWD GATHERED FOR A GAME AT |
00:17:36 | BARBERTON HIGH SCHOOL IN 2000. SINCE THEN, 4,500 AED'S HAVE |
00:17:40 | BEEN INSTALLED IN OHIO SCHOOLS, AND GORDON TOOK HIS IDEA |
00:17:45 | NATIONAL, WORKING TO CREATE THE JOSH MILLER HEARTS ACT -- |
00:17:48 | "HEARTS" STANDS FOR "HELPING EVERYONE ACCESS RESPONSIVE |
00:17:51 | TREATMENT IN SCHOOLS." BUT GORDON HAS BEEN FACING HIS |
00:17:55 | OWN PERSONAL TRIAL -- HIS COLLEGE-AGED SON TYLER WAS |
00:17:58 | PARALYZED IN AN AUTO ACCIDENT IN 2009. |
00:17:59 | GORDON CHRONICLES HIS STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT HIS |
00:18:04 | FAMILY'S CRISIS IN HIS BOOK "NO STORM LASTS FOREVER: |
00:18:08 | TRANSFORMING SUFFERING INTO INSIGHT." |
00:18:09 | IT'S A RELENTLESSLY CALM AND POSITIVE JOURNAL OF HIS |
00:18:14 | REACTIONS TO HIS SON'S ACCIDENT THAT GORDON SAYS SEEKS TO |
00:18:16 | UPLIFT READERS AND SUGGEST TO THEM THAT "EXPERIENCES BECOME |
00:18:19 | CALAMITIES ONLY IF WE MAKE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO MAKE |
00:18:23 | TRAGEDIES OUT OF THEM." HE SAYS THERE ARE NO |
00:18:28 | COINCIDENCES, AND EACH EXPERIENCE IS A GIFT THAT |
00:18:30 | PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO BE GRATEFUL FOR BECAUSE THEY CAN LEAD TO |
00:18:33 | GROWTH AND ENLIGHTENMENT. I TALKED TO DR. TERRY GORDON |
00:18:37 | RECENTLY THROUGH THE FACILITIES OF WVIZ IN CLEVELAND. |
00:18:39 | >> THE WHOLE TIME, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I DID NOT PRAY TYLER |
00:18:49 | WOULD WALK AGAIN. MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN FOR HIM TO |
00:18:55 | HEAL. I WAS A CARDIOLOGISTS BEFORE I |
00:19:02 | RETIRE. A PRACTICED MANY YEARS THINKING |
00:19:05 | WAS HELPING TO CURE PEOPLE. HEALING DOES NOT OCCUR ON THE |
00:19:08 | PHYSICAL PLANE. HEALING OCCURS IN THE SPIRITUAL |
00:19:13 | PLANE. >> YOU TELL STORIES OF MEETING |
00:19:16 | PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD TERRIBLE ACCIDENTS, DEVASTATING |
00:19:20 | DIAGNOSES. THEY HAVE COME TO TERMS WITH |
00:19:22 | THEM LIKE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THEY HAVE COME TO A PLACE OF |
00:19:24 | PEACE. THEY HAVE LEARNED ABOUT |
00:19:26 | THEMSELVES AND THE PEOPLE THEY CARE ABOUT. |
00:19:28 | TO A SKEPTIC, THIS MAY SOUND LIKE IT IS OVERLY OPTIMISTIC. |
00:19:37 | >> MY MANTRA HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO BE OPEN TO EVERYTHING AND |
00:19:45 | ATTACHED TO NOTHING. I AM NOT HERE TO SAY THIS IS THE |
00:19:47 | ONLY WAY TO GO THROUGH SOMETHING. |
00:19:49 | I AM JUST SHARING MY TRUTH AND MY EXPERIENCE. |
00:19:52 | IT WAS NOT CONCOCTED. YOU CAN TELL WHEN SOMETHING IS |
00:19:56 | GENUINE INTUITIVELY. YOU CAN JUST SENSE IT. |
00:20:02 | THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF MY LIFE FOR 10 OF 15 |
00:20:06 | YEARS PREPARING ME FOR THIS EVENT. |
00:20:09 | EVERYBODY GOES THROUGH IT DIFFERENTLY. |
00:20:14 | I AM NOT SAYING MY TEMPLATE IS THE ONLY WAY. |
00:20:16 | THE PURPOSE OF MY BOOK IS TO SHARE THE EXPERIENCE. |
00:20:20 | IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT A KID THAT HAD A SPINAL CORD INJURY. |
00:20:25 | IT IS ABOUT ANYBODY THAT HAS EXPERIENCED A LOSS. |
00:20:28 | WHETHER IT IS THE LOSS OF A SPOUSE, SIGNIFICANT OTHER, LOSS |
00:20:33 | OF A RELATIONSHIP, LOSS OF A PORTFOLIO, LOSS OF YOUR JOB, THE |
00:20:36 | SUFFERING THAT GOES WITHOUT -- WITH THAT. |
00:20:41 | MY POINT IS A TRAGEDY IS ONLY A CALAMITY IF YOU DECIDE TO MAKE |
00:20:45 | IT SO. I MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION |
00:20:49 | NOT TO LOOK AT THIS AS A TRAGEDY, BUT TO LOOK AT THIS AS |
00:20:53 | A GIFT. IF YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN LEARN |
00:20:56 | FROM IT. THE REAL TRAGEDY IN ANY EVENT |
00:20:59 | SUCH AS THIS IS GOING THROUGH IT AND NOT LEARNING FROM IT. |
00:21:03 | EACH OF THESE THINGS THAT HAPPENS TO US, THERE ARE TOOLS |
00:21:08 | FOR US TO USED TO PROPEL OURSELVES ON TO A HIGHER PLANE |
00:21:12 | THAN WE WERE WHEN WE FIRST ARRIVED IN THIS MATERIAL WORLD. |
00:21:15 | >> I WANT TO ASK YOU FOR AN UPDATE ON YOUR MISSION IN LIFE. |
00:21:23 | THE LAST TIME WE TALKED, IT WAS ABOUT A DESIRE TO GET AUTOMATIC |
00:21:28 | EXTERNAL DEFIBRILLATORS INTO SCHOOLS. |
00:21:31 | YOU DID THAT IN OHIO. YOU CAMPAIGNED TO DO THAT ACROSS |
00:21:34 | THE COUNTRY. WHERE DOES THAT STAND RIGHT NOW? |
00:21:37 | >> THE BILL PASSED THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN JUNE OF 2008. |
00:21:41 | OUR CONGRESSWOMAN IS THE ONE THAT PROPOSED IT. |
00:21:46 | IT DID NOT MAKE IT THROUGH THE SENATE. |
00:21:47 | IT WAS PROPOSED AGAIN BY CONGRESSWOMAN SUTTON IN 2009. |
00:21:53 | IT DID NOT MAKE IT THROUGH THE COMMITTEE IN THE SENATE. |
00:21:59 | IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AGAIN IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE. |
00:22:01 | THE TRAVESTY IS THAT SINCE THE BILL WAS FIRST PASSED IN 2008, |
00:22:09 | 206 CHILDREN HAVE DIED OF CARDIAC ARREST IN OUR SCHOOLS AS |
00:22:14 | A DIRECT RESULT OF THIS BILL NOT PASSING. |
00:22:16 | THIS BILL WILL FUND PUTTING AN AED IN EVERY SCHOOL IN THE |
00:22:21 | COUNTRY, PUBLIC, PRIVATE, CHARTER. |
00:22:30 | MOST UPSETTING THING TO ME IS THAT THE WHOLE TIME THIS BILL |
00:22:33 | HAS BEEN PROPOSED BUT NOT PASSED, IF YOU WALK THROUGH THE |
00:22:36 | OFFICES OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE, GUESS WHAT IS HANGING ON |
00:22:40 | THE WALLS OF ALL OF THEIR OFFICES? |
00:22:42 | AED'S. THIS IS A BILL THAT MUST PASS. |
00:22:49 | IT IS A BILL THAT WILL TOUCH LITERALLY, POTENTIALLY EVERY |
00:22:55 | SINGLE LIFE IN AMERICA. EVERY SCHOOL DAY, 20% OF THE |
00:23:00 | ADULT AND CHILD POPULATION IS IN OUR SCHOOLS. |
00:23:02 | THIS IS NOT JUST FOR CHILDREN. THIS IS FOR ANYBODY THAT HAPPENS |
00:23:06 | TO BE IN OUR SCHOOLS. GRANDPARENTS, ADMINISTRATORS, |
00:23:10 | MAINTENANCE WORKERS. IT IS LIKE SMOKE DETECTORS ONLY |
00:23:13 | SAVES MANY MORE LIVES. SMOKE DETECTORS ARE FEDERALLY |
00:23:16 | MANDATED TO BE IN EVERY BUILDING. |
00:23:18 | THEY SAVE ABOUT 6000 LIVES A YEAR. |
00:23:20 | THAT IS FANTASTIC. AED'S TO SAVE 50,000 TO $100,000 |
00:23:31 | -- 100,000 LIVES. I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT |
00:23:34 | THE POWER OF INTENTION. I SEE THIS BILL AS GETTING |
00:23:37 | THERE. WE WILL. |
00:23:37 | I BELIEVE IN IT. >> THE CONCERN OVER THE BILL IS |
00:23:41 | NOT THE INTENTION OF IT. IT IS THE COST OF IT AND HOW IT |
00:23:45 | WOULD BE PAID FOR, RIGHT? >> THAT IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN |
00:23:50 | DRAWN IN THE SAND. FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. |
00:23:52 | I AM ALL FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. |
00:23:55 | BUT WE WASTE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. |
00:23:59 | WE SPEND BILLIONS ON PREVENTATIVE MEDICINE. |
00:24:03 | THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS A DEVICE THAT WILL |
00:24:07 | PREVENT CHILDREN AND ANYONE ELSE THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN THE |
00:24:11 | SCHOOLS FROM DYING. IF YOU WAIT FOR THE PARAMEDICS, |
00:24:15 | EVERY MINUTE SOMEONE IS IN CARDIAC ARREST, THEIR CHANCE OF |
00:24:18 | SURVIVAL DROPS BY 10%. THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME IS 8 |
00:24:22 | TO 12 MINUTES. THAT IS WHY ONLY 3% TO 5% OF |
00:24:27 | PEOPLE THAT HAVE CARDIAC ARREST SURVIVE. |
00:24:29 | IF YOU DO CPR, THAT DOUBLES THE CHANCE TO 6% OR 10%. |
00:24:35 | IF YOU DO CPR AND ADD AN AED, ABOARD A 50% WILL SURVIVE. |
00:24:43 | IT IS IMPORTANT THESE BE PLACED IN SCHOOLS, SHOPPING MALLS, GOLF |
00:24:49 | COURSES. THEY ARE MANDATED TO BEAT IN |
00:24:52 | AIRPLANES. YOU WILL BE 30 TIMES GREATER |
00:24:56 | CHANCE OF HAVING A CARDIAC ARREST IN THE SCHOOL THEN IN AN |
00:24:59 | AIRPLANE. WHEN A PERSON IS SHOCKED BY A |
00:25:02 | COP, THEIR CHANCE OF SURVIVAL IS 10 TIMES GREATER THAN IF YOU |
00:25:08 | WAIT FOR THE PARAMEDICS. THEY SHOULD BE EVERYWHERE, |
00:25:11 | SCHOOLS INCLUDED. >THE BOOK CAME OUT IN JULY, |
00:25:17 | FEATURING A FOREWORD BY WELL- KNOWN SELF-HELP AUTHOR DR. |
00:25:19 | WAYNE DYER. GORDON WAS ALSO HONORED THIS YEAR WITH THE |
00:25:21 | AKRON COMMUNITY FOUNDATION'S TOP HUMANITARIAN AWARD, WHICH |
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