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00:00:00>> SUPPORT FOR "THE STATE OF
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00:00:18OHIO EDUCATION ASSOCIATION,
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00:00:20SUPPORT PROFESSIONALS AND HIGHER
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00:00:22WORKING FOR GREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS
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00:00:24OHEA.ORG.
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR "THE
00:00:26STATE OF OHIO" IS MADE POSSIBLE
BY ETECH OHIO."
00:00:30>> AFTER WEEKS OF CONSIDERING
GOV. JOHN KASICH'S BUDGET,
00:00:33REPUBLICANS WHO DOMINATE THE
OHIO HOUSE RELEASED THEIR OWN
00:00:35VERSION. AND IT DOESN'T LOOK
MUCH LIKE HIS.
00:00:37AND A LAW ON STANDARDS FOR
POWER COMPANIES THAT PASSED
00:00:42ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY FIVE YEARS
AGO IS GETTING ANOTHER LOOK.
00:00:49SUPPORTERS OF THE IDEA SAY IT'S
SPARKED BY CHANGES IN OHIO'S
00:00:52ENERGY LANDSCAPE, BUT CRITICS
SAY THEY'RE SHOCKED AND ANGRY.
00:00:55WE'LL HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THIS
POLITICALLY CHARGED DEBATE.
00:00:58ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO".
00:00:59LAWMAKERS HAVE HEARD HUNDREDS OF
HOURS OF TESTIMONY ON GOV. JOHN
00:01:04KASICH'S BUDGET.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF
00:01:06HINTS THAT REPUBLICANS WHO
DOMINATE THE HOUSE FINANCE
00:01:09COMMITTEE DIDN'T LIKE SOME OF
THE BIGGEST ELEMENTS IN IT --
00:01:15THE BROADENING OF THE STATE
SALES TAX ONTO SOME 80 SERVICES
00:01:23THAT AREN'T TAXED NOW, THE
SEVERANCE TAX HIKE ON BIG OIL
00:01:25AND NATURAL GAS DRILLERS, THE
SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA AND THE
00:01:32EXPANSION OF MEDICAID TO PEOPLE
MAKING UP TO 138 PERCENT OF THE
00:01:35FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL.
THE GROWING OPPOSITION TO THOSE
00:01:37KEY PARTS OF HIS BUDGET WAS THE
REASON GOV. KASICH MADE HIMSELF
00:01:44AVAILABLE FOR A ONE-ON-ONE
INTERVIEW ON THIS SHOW LAST
00:01:46MONTH, AND HE TRAVELED THE STATE
TO PROMOTE HIS BUDGET TO
00:01:48SEVERAL GROUPS, INCLUDING THE
CITY CLUB OF CLEVELAND.
00:01:50BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE DONE ANY
GOOD.
00:01:54THE HOUSE GOP EDITION OF THE
BUDGET HAS LITTLE IN COMMON WITH
00:01:57KASICH'S VERSION WHEN IT COMES
TO THOSE BIG ITEMS.
00:01:58HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIR
RON AMSTUTZ OF WOOSTER UNVEILED
00:02:00THE SPENDING PLAN AT A NEWS
CONFERENCE JUST MINUTES BEFORE
00:02:02HEARINGS WERE SET TO START ON
IT, AND HE STARTED WITH A NEW
00:02:05VERSION OF THE GOVERNOR'S INCOME
TAX CUT.
00:02:06>> WE FEEL THAT THE SCOPE AND
SIZE OF WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION
00:02:09IS RECOMMENDING
IN TERMS OF TAX REFORMS IS A
00:02:15DOABLE TARGET.
IT IS IN THAT ZONE, BUT WE NEED
00:02:18TO DO A LOT MORE WORK TO DEVELOP
ALTERNATIVES TO GET TO THE GOALS
00:02:24THAT HAVE BEEN SET.
BUT WE ARE PROPOSING IN THIS
00:02:28BILL IS NOT A FINISHED PRODUCT,
BUT IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL
00:02:32MOVEMENT IN WHAT IS BEEN
RECOMMENDED.
00:02:34WE ARE PROPOSING AN IMMEDIATE 7%
REDUCTION IN THE PERSONAL INCOME
00:02:42TAX IN OUR STATE.
THAT WOULD CONTINUE FORWARD WITH
00:02:47NO SUNSET.
THAT IS PAID FOR OUT OF THE FACT
00:02:51THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN
SO EFFECTIVE IN MANAGING THIS
00:02:55BUDGET THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE
REVENUE GROWTH THAT IS NOT BEING
00:03:00SPENT ENTIRELY SO THAT WE CAN
SPEND SOME IT TO LOWER THE TAX
00:03:07BURDEN ON OUR CITIZENS.
IT IS SUBSTANTIAL.
00:03:11IT IS $1.50 BILLION OVER THE
NEXT TWO YEARS.
00:03:15>> KASICH'S BUDGET HAD PROPOSED
A 20% ACROSS THE BOARD INCOME
00:03:18TAX CUT WITH A 50 PERCENT
INCOME TAX CUT FOR SMALL
00:03:20BUSINESSES.
THE OTHER TAX ELEMENTS, THE
00:03:22SALES TAX EXPANSION AND THE
SEVERANCE TAX ON DRILLERS, ARE
00:03:24ERASED IN THE HOUSE VERSION.
OUR BILL COHEN ASKED HOUSE
00:03:29SPEAKER BILL BATCHELDER WHY HE
HAD SAID IN DECEMBER THAT A
00:03:31SEVERANCE TAX INCREASE WOULD
PASS, BUT NOW IT'S OUT OF THE
00:03:35BUDGET.
>> THAT'S VERY SIMPLE.
00:03:40WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
LOOKING
00:03:42AT COMING TO OHIO.
>> THEN THERE'S THE MEDICAID
00:03:49EXPANSION, ALSO GONE IN THEOUR
JO INGLES ASKED HOUSE SPEAKER
00:03:52BILL BATCHELDER AND AMSTUTZ
ABOUT THE SPEAKER'S STATEMENT
00:03:54THAT THERE'S NO CLEAR VISION OF
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON
00:03:56REGARDING MEDICAID.
>> I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE
00:03:59HUNDRED PLACES IN THE
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WHERE IT
00:04:05SAID IT "TO BE DETERMINED."
>> YOU WERE SERIOUSLY ASKING ME?
00:04:12I MEAN, THIS IS SO SCREWED UP.
I'M SORRY.
00:04:16THIS IS -- I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL
THESE REGULATIONS THAT HAVE TO
00:04:21COME OUT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN ORDER TO
00:04:25DRAW A BILL.
WE HAVE THE HAVE THEM IN ORDER
00:04:28TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE
TO HAVE TO COMPLY.
00:04:31WE ALSO HAVE TO KNOW WHAT IT
MEANS IF THEY DO NOT HAVE THE
00:04:36MONEY IN WASHINGTON.
THOSE ARE PRETTY BIG CHALLENGES,
00:04:42WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF
REGULATIONS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY
00:04:45PRODUCED.
>> BATCHELDER SAID THERE WAS
00:04:48SOME SERIOUS OPPOSITION AMONG
MEMBERS OF HIS CAUCUS.
00:04:49>> I THINK MY ASSESSMENT IS
THAT IS ABOUT 20-20-20.
00:04:5420 PEOPLE MIGHT SHOOT THEM CELLS
BEFORE THEY VOTE FOR IT.
00:05:0220 PEOPLE MIGHT INDICATE TO ME
THAT THEY ARE FOR DOING
00:05:08SOMETHING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO
MANY PEOPLE WITH PROBLEMS OUT
00:05:11THERE TO DO NOTHING.
THEN WE HAVE 20 PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:05:14SAYING, IF WE DO NOT KNOW MORE
ON THIS, I DID NOT KNOW HOW YOU
00:05:19CAN COUNT ON US TO VOTE EITHER
WAY.
00:05:20>> AND THE GOVERNOR'S
CONTROVERSIAL SCHOOL FUNDING
00:05:25FORMULA IS ALSO CHANGED
DRAMATICALLY, SAYS AMSTUTZ.
00:05:26>> A MAJORITY OF OUR DISTRICTS
- A SUBSTANTIAL MAJORITY ARE
00:05:32GETTING INCREASES AND THE
HEREAFTER.
00:05:34WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS
BY SOME CHANGES IN THE
00:05:41FORMULATION AND THE DISTRIBUTION
OF THE FUNDS BEING ACCOMPLISHED
00:05:46AND WE FEEL THAT WILL BE HELPFUL
TO THE DISTRICT.
00:05:47>> HOUSE REPUBLICANS THEN
RELEASED A MAP TO SHOW THEIR
00:05:52CHANGES WITH DISTRICTS IN GREEN
GETTING AN INCREASE IN FUNDING,
00:05:53DISTRICTS IN YELLOW GETTING THE
SAME FUNDING AND DISTRICTS IN
00:05:55RED GETTING A DECREASE.
NO DISTRICTS WERE CUT IN EITHER
00:05:59THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET OR THE
HOUSE VERSION.
00:06:00HEARINGS ON THE HOUSE VERSION OF
THE BUDGET STARTED IMMEDIATELY.
00:06:05THE ARCHIVE OF THOSE HEARINGS IS
AT OHIOCHANNEL.ORG.
00:06:07BATCHELDER SAYS HE HOPES THE
BUDGET WILL BE ON THE FLOOR OF
00:06:11THE HOUSE ON THURSDAY.
DEMOCRATS BLASTED THE CHANGES.
00:06:13THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY PUT
OUT A RELEASE WITH THE HEADLINE
00:06:18-- "KASICH'S STATE BUDGET SO
EXTREME, EVEN EXTREMISTS REJECT
00:06:22IT."
THE REJECTION OF THE MEDICAID
00:06:24EXPANSION WAS A BLOW TO THE
GOVERNOR, WHO HAD SPENT A LOT
00:06:27OF TIME, ENERGY, AND EMOTION
TRYING TO CONVINCE LAWMAKERS TO
00:06:29GO ALONG WITH IT. KASICH TALKED
TO REPORTERS IN BETWEEN EVENTS
00:06:33ON WEDNESDAY.
>> I DO BELIEVE WE NEED THAT
00:06:38BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN HERE.
IT'S GOOD FOR OUR ECONOMY, IT'S
00:06:42GOOD FOR OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES,
IT'S GOOD FOR OUR URBAN
00:06:45COMMUNITIES, IT'S GOOD FOR
VETERANS, IT'S GOOD FOR THE
00:06:50WORKING POOR.
I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THEM
00:06:52AND THEY KNOW I DON'T AGREE WITH
THEM.
00:06:54>> KASICH SAYS IT'S NOW UP TO
THE COMMUNITIES WHICH WANT THE
00:06:57MEDICAID EXPANSION TO PERSUADE
LAWMAKERS TO PUT IT BACK INTO
00:07:02THE BUDGET.
A FEW HUNDRED ADVOCATES FOR
00:07:04DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS, MENTAL
HEALTH AND ADDICTION SERVICES,
00:07:07PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES,
BUSINESS GROUPS AND UNIONS
00:07:12BRAVED THE RAIN FOR A RALLY ON
THE STATEHOUSE LAWN ON THURSDAY,
00:07:14TWO DAYS AFTER THE BUDGET WAS
RELEASED.
00:07:15AS FOR THE CHANGE IN THE TAX
CUT, KASICH'S SPOKESMAN SAYS
00:07:20THAT THE GOVERNOR, QUOTING
HERE, "WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE
00:07:23TAX REFORM AND A LARGER TAX
CUT, ESPECIALLY A SMALL BUSINESS
00:07:26TAX CUT."
MEANWHILE, SENATE PRESIDENT
00:07:31KEITH FABER IS STARTING TO PUT
OUT HIS IDEAS ON THE BUDGET.
00:07:32FABER TOLD REPORTERS THIS WEEK
THAT HE'S NOT SURE A 7% INCOME
00:07:39TAX CUT FOR EVERYONE OVER A 50%
CUT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES IS THE
00:07:43RIGHT PLAN.
>> IF YOU'RE DOING A LIMITED
00:07:46APPROACH TO TAX CUTS, TO ME THE
SMALL BUSINESS APPROACH IS
00:07:49BETTER TO GROW JOBS AND
STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY IN THE
00:07:55SHORT RUN.
SO THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE'D
00:07:57LIKE TO SEE MORE ATTENTION AND
MORE EXPLANATION ON.
00:08:03IF YOU'VE GOT A LIMITED AMOUNT
OF MONEY, YOU WANT TO DO WHAT'S
00:08:06GOING TO INCREASE JOBS AND GROW
THE ECONOMY THE BEST."
00:08:08>> ON THE MEDICAID EXPANSION,
FABER SAYS, USING HIS WORDS,
00:08:09"THAT'S TROUBLESOME FOR A LOT OF
FOLKS," AND THAT THE ARGUMENT
00:08:14THAT IT WOULD RETURN BILLIONS
IN FEDERAL MONEY TO OHIO HAS,
00:08:16AGAIN QUOTING FABER HERE,
"ALLURE, BUT IT'S ALSO A SET OF
00:08:19HANDCUFFS."
SENATORS PLAN INFORMAL HEARINGS
00:08:21ON THE BUDGET THIS WEEK, IN
ADVANCE OF THE HOUSE VOTE ON
00:08:24THURSDAY.
AS THE BUDGET GETS MOST OF THE
00:08:29ATTENTION AT THE STATEHOUSE
RIGHT NOW, A BILL THAT COULD
00:08:33POTENTIALLY LED TO THE REPEAL
OF A LAW THAT PASSED NEARLY
00:08:35UNANIMOUSLY IN 2008 IS QUIETLY
BEING DISCUSSED IN THE SENATE.
00:08:37THE IDEA FROM REPUBLICAN SEN.
BILL SEITZ OF CINCINNATI IS TO
00:08:40REVISIT THE CLEAN ENERGY LAW.
IT REQUIRES UTILITIES TO PUT IN
00:08:45PLACE ENERGY EFFICIENCY
STANDARDS THAT ACHIEVE A 22%
00:08:48ENERGY SAVINGS FOR UTILITIES BY
2025, AND DEMANDS THAT ELECTRIC
00:08:51UTILITIES GET 25% OF THEIR
POWER FROM ADVANCED ENERGY AND
00:08:55RENEWABLE RESOURCES BY THAT
SAME TARGET YEAR.
00:09:01SEN. SEITZ TOLD ME --
>> ANY TIME YOU'RE ON A 20-YEAR
00:09:07PLAN, IT IS PRUDENT TO CHECK IN
AND SEE HOW YOU WERE DOING.
00:09:11MEN IN THE ASSUMPTIONS BE USED
IN 2008 HAVE PROVEN TO BE
00:09:16INCORRECT.
BUT PREDICTED THERE WOULD BE AN
00:09:19INCREASE IN DEMAND AND THERE HAS
NOT BEEN.
00:09:22THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SHARP
INCREASE IN PRICE.
00:09:26WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THE
SHALE GAS WE HAVE SINCE
00:09:29DISCOVERED.
RENEWABLE PRICES HAVE COME DOWN,
00:09:33WHICH IS GOOD NEWS, BUT GAS
PRICES HAVE DROPPED EVEN FASTER.
00:09:39WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS A
GAUGE WHERE WE ARE FIVE YEARS
00:09:43FROM THE PROCESS AND SEE IF
THERE IS ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO
00:09:45BE TWEAKED OR CHANGED IN THIS
20-YEAR PLAN WE ESTABLISHED IN
00:09:50THAT TIME.
>> FOR ITS PART, FIRSTENERGY THE
00:09:59GENESIS FOR THIS REVIEW IT CAME
ABOUT BECAUSE FIRSTENERGY WAS
00:10:05SAYING WE SHOULD FREEZE THE
STANDARDS OF THE 2008 BILL AT
00:10:09THE 2012 LEVEL.
THAT BILL DID NOT GAIN TRACTION,
00:10:14BUT THEY BROUGHT THE ISSUE TO MY
ATTENTION.
00:10:16AS THE NEW CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE, I SAID I WAS NOT
00:10:19WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT I WAS
WILLING TO HAVE A SERIES OF
00:10:23HEARINGS TO FIND OUT HOW WE WERE
DOING ACROSS THE SPECTRUM IN
00:10:27RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARDS.
WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF HEARINGS
00:10:32TO DATE AND WE WILL HAVE TWO
MORE THIS MONTH.
00:10:35WE WILL DECIDE WHAT, IF
ANYTHING, WE WANT TO DO.
00:10:38>> FOR ITS PART, FIRSTENERGY
SAYS IT HAS CONVERSATIONS WITH
00:10:45LAWMAKERS ALL THE TIME, AND
THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL
00:10:46STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT THE 2025 BENCHMARKS.
00:10:49SPOKESMAN DOUG COLAFELLA SAYS
THE LAW'S GOALS ARE ACHIEVABLE
00:10:56AND THAT THE COMPANY IS MEETING
THE ANNUAL TARGETS.
00:10:58BUT HE SAYS IT HASN'T COME
CHEAP.
00:11:01>> SINCE 2009, UTILITIES LIKE
FIRSTENERGY ACROSS THE STATE
00:11:04HAVE CHARGED CUSTOMERS OVER $500
MILLION FOR THESE PROGRAMS AND
00:11:07AT THIS POINT WE'VE ACHIEVED A
REDUCTION OF ABOUT 2.3%.
00:11:09WE STILL HAVE TO GET TO 22%.
SO OUR CONCERN IS AS THESE
00:11:17ANNUAL TARGETS, THESE ANNUAL
GOALS BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVE
00:11:20AND THE CHEAPEST PROGRAM, THE
LOW HANGING FRUIT, AS YOU WILL,
00:11:22ONCE THOSE PROGRAMS AREN'T
USABLE ANY MORE, WE'RE GOING TO
00:11:27HAVE TO GO TO MORE EXPENSIVE
PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED
00:11:32WILL COST A LOT MORE THAN THAT,
AT A TIME WHEN POWER PRICES ARE
00:11:39RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE PLENTIFUL SUPPLY
00:11:41OPTIONS THAT PROBABLY WEREN'T
ENVISIONED FIVE YEARS AGO - FOR
00:11:44EXAMPLE, SHALE GAS -- WHICH HAS
DRIVEN THE PRICE OF ELECTRICITY
00:11:46DOWN, YET WE'RE PAYING A HECK
OF A LOT OF MONEY FOR THESE
00:11:47ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS.
>> BUT GROUPS THAT BACKED THE
00:11:54LAW ARE FIGHTING BACK AGAINST
POSSIBLE CHANGES TO IT.
00:11:56NOLAN MOSER IS WITH THE OHIO
ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL, WHICH
00:11:59HAS CONCERNS ABOUT COAL-FIRED
AND NUCLEAR PLANTS. MOSER SAYS
00:12:04THE LAW HAS BROUGHT ECONOMIC
ACTIVITY TO OHIO AND SAVINGS TO
00:12:11UTILITY CUSTOMERS.
>> AEP SPENT ABOUT $400 MILLION
00:12:15ON ENERGY PROGRAMS AND THEY
HAVE SAVED $1.50 BILLION.
00:12:20WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OVER $1
BILLION IN SAVINGS TO THE
00:12:23CUSTOMER.
THE SECOND BIGGEST ISSUE IS
00:12:25JOBS.
RENEWABLE ENERGY INVESTMENT HAS
00:12:29CREATED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
JOB GROWTH IN THE STATE.
00:12:32ONE PROJECT, IT IS BEING PUT
TOGETHER THROUGH AN INVESTMENT
00:12:40WITH OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.
THEY ARE SAVING $1 MILLION ON
00:12:45THEIR BILL ANNUALLY BUYING FOR
THE PROJECT AND IT RESULTED IN
00:12:51$600 MILLION IN INVESTMENT IN
OHIO AND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
00:12:54JOBS.
THE BIGGEST SINGLE INVESTMENT IN
00:13:00THE STATE AND SAVINGS FOR
CUSTOMERS.
00:13:07>> ON THAT NOTE, WHAT HAS BEEN
THE COST OF CUSTOMERS TO GET
00:13:12THAT?
>> YOU PAY FOR EFFICIENCY DOES
00:13:15LIKE TO PAY FOR POWER, THE WIRES
AS PART OF THE UTILITY SYSTEM.
00:13:18YOU PAID $2-$3 ON YOUR BILL FOR
ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
00:13:25A NEW POWER PLANT WILL COST YOU
$15 PER MONTH.
00:13:30WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE
DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF
00:13:34COSTS THAT YOU PAY.
SIGNIFICANTLY, IT IS ONE
00:13:37UTILITY, FIRSTENERGY.
THEY WANT SO YOU MORE ENERGY AND
00:13:45YOU PAY AS MUCH AS A POSSIBLY
CAN FOR IT.
00:13:47THEY'RE VERY MUCH AGAINST
COALITION OF BUSINESS AND
00:13:54GOVERNMENT GROUPS HAS FORMED TO
OPPOSE CHANGES TO THE LAW.
00:13:55MATT ZONE IS A CITY COUNCILMAN
IN CLEVELAND, WHICH THIS WEEK
00:13:58PASSED A RESOLUTION URGING
LAWMAKERS TO LEAVE THE ENERGY
00:14:01EFFICIENCY AND RENEWABLE ENERGY
STANDARDS IN THE 2008 LAW AND
00:14:02NOT PULL THEM BACK.
I SPOKE TO MATT WITH THE HELP OF
00:14:10THEM IN CLEVELAND.
>> WELL, IF THERE'S TO BE A
00:14:13CHANGE IN THE STATE LAW, WE'RE
GOING TO SEE, I THINK, A RIPPLE
00:14:19EFFECT IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
WE HAVE A STRONG NETWORK OF
00:14:23MANUFACTURING HERE IN NORTHEAST
OHIO.
00:14:25IN MY WARD, ADVANCED
MANUFACTURING IS MAKING PARTS
00:14:32FOR WIND TURBINE INDUSTRIES AND
THEY'RE DOING SO MUCH BUSINESS
00:14:35THAT THEY ARE IN EXPANSION MODE.
THEY WILL EXPAND AND BUILD IN
00:14:39ADDITION.
THAT WAS BECAUSE THE CONDITIONS
00:14:42THAT WERE CREATED FROM THE
RENEWABLE ENERGY STANDARD THAT
00:14:45THE STATE ADOPTED.
I AM REALLY FEARFUL IT COULD
00:14:48THWART A LOT OF THE PROGRESS
MADE THUS FAR.
00:14:52>> IF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE,
WOULD THAT CONTINUE EVEN THOUGH
00:14:57THE LAW HAS CHANGED?
IT IS WORKING REALLY WELL, WHY
00:15:01WOULD IT NOT CONTINUE TO GO ON?
>> ENERGY EFFICIENCY, IT'S MUCH
00:15:11CHEAPER TO DO WORK ON ENERGY
EFFICIENCY THAN IT IS TO BUILD A
00:15:14NEW POWER PLANT.
THE ENERGY COMPONENT IS THRIVING
00:15:23BECAUSE IT IS SUPPLYING THAT
WHOLE SECTOR.
00:15:25EVERYTHING COMPLYING WITH THE
LAW WHETHER IT IS DUKE, AEP,
00:15:28FIRSTENERGY, OR A LITTLE
MUNICIPAL COMPANY, THEY ARE
00:15:35EXCEEDING WHAT IS REQUIRED.
>> FIRSTENERGY SAYS IT'S NOT
00:15:39TAKING A POSITION ON THE
RENEWABLES COMPONENT OF THE LAW.
00:15:41BUT DOUG COLAFELLA SAYS THERE
ARE ECONOMIC BENEFITS TO
00:15:43REVISITING THE LAW WHEN IT COMES
TO THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY
00:15:45STANDARDS.
>> IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW MUCH
00:15:47CUSTOMERS ARE SAVING, BUT IT'S
VERY CLEAR WHAT CUSTOMERS ARE
00:15:50SPENDING AND WHAT CUSTOMERS ARE
PAYING FOR THESE PROGRAMS.
00:15:53AS A UTILITY, FIRSTENERGY,
WE'RE ONLY AS SUCCESSFUL AS THE
00:15:58COMMUNITIES WE SERVE.
IF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE
00:16:00SERVE ARE STRUGGLING
ECONOMICALLY, THAT'S NOT GOOD
00:16:04FOR FIRSTENERGY AND THAT'S NOT
GOOD FOR ANYONE. WE JUST SIMPLY
00:16:13BELIEVE THAT THE LANDSCAPE HAS
CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY SINCE 2008
00:16:18WHEN THE LAW WAS PASSED.
WE HAVE LOW COST SHALE GAS
00:16:28RESOURCES WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR OHIO
00:16:31AND WE BELIEVE THAT
ARTIFICIALLY SUPPRESSING
00:16:32ELECTRIC DEMAND COULD VERY
LIKELY THWART THE DEVELOPMENT OF
00:16:35SHALE GAS IN THE STATE.
CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING LOW PRICES.
00:16:39WE SHOULD NOT TRY TO TACK ON
ADDITIONAL CHARGES TO THE LOWEST
00:16:41ELECTRICITY PRICES WE'VE SEEN IN
A DECADE.
00:16:42>> AND SEITZ SAYS THAT CHANGE
IN LANDSCAPE HAS MADE HIM WANT
00:16:45TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE
ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RENEWABLE
00:16:48ENERGY STANDARDS, WHICH HE SAYS
HAD HIM ASKING QUESTIONS WHEN
00:16:52LAWMAKERS WERE DISCUSSING IT IN
2008.
00:16:54>> I ASKED THE UTILITIES,
AREN'T THE LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE
00:17:02COMMITTING YOURSELF TO A 20-YEAR
PROCESS IN AND CHARTERED WATERS.
00:17:06THEY SAID OF LONG AS THEY CAN
PASS THE COSTS ON, THEY DON'T
00:17:09CARE.
I CARE ABOUT THE CONSUMER.
00:17:13BUT GOING TO BE MY FOCUS AS WE
PROCEED WITH THIS BILL.
00:17:17WHAT IS GOING TO GIVE THE BEST
BENEFIT TO CONSUMERS?
00:17:20HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO CHARGE
THEM FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING
00:17:24GREEN THROUGH THE USE OF SOLAR
AND WIND TECHNOLOGY?
00:17:28THAT'S THE QUESTION.
EVERYONE WANTS TO REDUCE CARBON
00:17:31EMISSIONS.
EVERYONE WANTS CLEANER AIR AND
00:17:35CLEANER WATER, BUT AT WHAT
PRICE?
00:17:37THEY ARE ALL FOR IT UNTIL THEY
FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS.
00:17:41THEY'RE STILL APPRECIABLY MORE
EXPENSIVE THAN GAS PRODUCTION
00:17:48WHICH CAN BE USED TO GENERATE
ELECTRICITY.
00:17:51WE HAVE PLENTY OF IT IN OHIO.
SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT WAYS
00:17:57TO MARRY OUR NEW-FOUND GAS
RESERVES WITH CLEANER-BURNING
00:18:02ELECTRICAL GENERATION
METHODOLOGY AT LOWER COST TO BOB
00:18:05AND BETTY BUCKEYE?
THAT IS SOMETHING I'M DETERMINED
00:18:11TO SEE US EXPLORE.
>> BUT MATT ZONE SAYS CHANGING
00:18:30THE LAW NOW WILL DISRUPT THE
PREDICTABLE ENERGY MARKET.
00:18:34>> THERE WAS A NEARLY UNANIMOUS
VOTE BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE,
00:18:39SUPPORTED BY THE GOVERNOR, AND
BECAUSE OF THAT COURAGEOUS ACT,
00:18:4326 OTHER STATES NOW HAVE THESE
TYPE OF STANDARDS.
00:18:47STATES LIKE TEXAS HAS A.
ARE WE GOING TO TURN BACK AND
00:18:53ALL OF THESE JOBS AND HAVE BEEN
CREATED, WHERE THEY GOING TO GO?
00:18:58ARE THEY GOING TO PICK UP STOCKS
ENDED OF TEXAS BECAUSE THE
00:19:03ENVIRONMENT IS RICH AND FERTILE
THERE?
00:19:05I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WAY
POLICY MAKERS LOOK AT THE WAY
00:19:11THEY CAN CRAFT LEGISLATION TO
STOP MORE JOBS FROM COMING INTO
00:19:18>> NOLAN MOSER WITH THE OHIO
ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL BACKS THAT
00:19:22UP, SAYING THAT THE ECONOMIC
GAINS THAT HE CITES WILL
00:19:25DISAPPEAR IF THE STANDARDS ARE
CHANGED, AND THAT BUSINESSES
00:19:27MAY CONSIDER GOING ELSEWHERE IF
THEY CAN'T RELY ON STATE LAWS
00:19:29STAYING THE SAME OVER TIME.
>> FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY, THOSE
00:19:39JOBS ARE JUST GOING TO GO TO
ANOTHER STATE AND THEY WILL GO
00:19:45SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THE ONLY RESULT IS MORE
00:19:49EXPENSIVE BILLS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE
00:19:52GOING TO PAY MORE, I'M GOING TO
PAY MORE, INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS
00:19:56WILL PAY MORE.
WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH
00:19:58EFFICIENCY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
RENEWABLE ENERGY HELPS DIVERSIFY
00:20:03THE ENERGY SUPPLY.
OHIO IS 85% COAL FIRED.
00:20:07COAL IS GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE
00:20:11DIVERSIFY.
THIS COULD PROBABLY EXPAND THE
00:20:15USE OF GAS BECAUSE OF COMBINING
HEAT POWER AND THESE PROCESSES
00:20:19THAT ARE NOW IN THE EFFICIENCY
STANDARDS.
00:20:23>> AND MOSER ADDS THAT
FIRSTENERGY IS SIMPLY NOT
00:20:27TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN IT COMES
TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
00:20:28>> BY LAW, THE PROGRAMS HAVE TO
SAVE MORE MONEY FOR CUSTOMERS
00:20:33THAN THEY COST.
IF EVER GET TO THE POINT WHERE
00:20:36ENERGY-EFFICIENT TO GET MORE
EXPENSIVE THAN BUILDING IN A
00:20:39NATURAL GAS PLANT, THEY DO NOT
HAVE TO DO IT.
00:20:41THERE IS AN AUTOMATIC SHUT OFF.
RENEWABLE ENERGY DOES COST A
00:20:46LITTLE BIT MORE, HOWEVER THE
PRICES GOING DOWN BECAUSE OF THE
00:20:51OF BEST AND WE MADE.
-- OF THE INVESTMENT.
00:20:55>> IT IS LESS EXPENSIVE, MORE
EFFICIENT, AND WE GET MORE
00:21:01RENEWABLE ENERGY.
ENERGY EFFICIENCIES SAVES MONEY.
00:21:06IT HAS TO BY LAW.
IT'S GOING TO SAY A CUSTOMER IS
00:21:10A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
INVESTMENT HERE IN O
00:21:14>> AND CRITICS ALSO NOTE THAT
SEN. SEITZ IS ON THE NATIONAL
00:21:17BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE
AMERICAN LEGISLATIVE EXCHANGE
00:21:21COUNCIL OR ALEC, A COALITION OF
MOSTLY CONSERVATIVE LAWMAKERS
00:21:24AND CORPORATE ENTITIES THAT
WORK ON MODEL LEGISLATION THAT
00:21:25OFTEN ENDS UP IN STATE
LEGISLATURES.
00:21:27BUT SEITZ SAYS THE REVISITING
OF THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND
00:21:31RENEWABLE ENERGY STANDARDS ISN'T
COMING FROM ALEC.
00:21:32>> ALEC'S MODEL LEGISLATION IN
THIS AREA CALLS FOR EVERY STATE
00:21:36TO REPEAL THE RENEWABLE
PORTFOLIOS STANDARDS BECAUSE,
00:21:45GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY ARE
AGAINST STATE MANDATES.
00:21:47THE CALDERAS FOR OUTRIGHT
REPEAL.
00:21:50IT>> SEITZ SAYS HE HOPES TO
TAKE INPUT FROM ALL SIDES AND
00:21:57COME UP WITH A PIECE OF
LEGISLATION THAT MAY MAKE SOME
00:21:58CHANGES IN THEAND THIS WEEK
MARKS THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF
00:22:00THE DEADLY RIOT AT THE SOUTHERN
OHIO CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, THE
00:22:05MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON IN
LUCASVILLE.
00:22:0612 STAFF MEMBERS AT THE PRISON
WERE TAKEN HOSTAGE BY 450
00:22:12INMATES ON EASTER SUNDAY, APRIL
11, 1993.
00:22:13OVER THE NEXT 11 DAYS,
CORRECTIONS OFFICER ROBERT
00:22:18VALLANDINGHAM AND NINE INMATES
WERE KILLED.
00:22:20THE LUCASVILLE RIOT REMAINS THE
LONGEST DEADLY PRISON UPRISING
00:22:25IN U.S. HISTORY.
THIS WEEK, THREE OF THE FIVE
00:22:30INMATES WHO WERE SENTENCED TO
DEATH FOR THEIR ROLES IN THE
00:22:32RIOT WERE PLANNING A HUNGER
STRIKE TO PROTEST THE STATE'S
00:22:34REFUSAL TO LET THEM TALK TO
REPORTERS.
00:22:38THEY SAY THE STATE HAS HAD TWO
DECADES TO TELL ITS SIDE OF THE
00:22:41STORY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT
LUCASVILLE AND WHY, AND THAT
00:22:44THEY DESERVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SHARE THEIRS.
00:22:45AND WE CONCLUDE WITH A VERY
UNUSUAL CONFERENCE AT THE
00:22:48STATEHOUSE THIS WEEKEND.
THE ASSOCIATION OF LINCOLN
00:22:52PRESENTERS MET IN COLUMBUS AND
GATHERED FOR A SHORT SPEECH IN
00:23:01THE OHIO HOUSE BEFORE HEADING
OFF TO OTHER SITES.
00:23:03ROBERT BRUGLER OF THE COLUMBUS
SUBURB OF WORTHINGTON SHOWED THE
00:23:07GROUP OF FELLOW ABRAHAM LINCOLN
IMPERSONATORS AROUND.
00:23:09>> WE ARE HAVING OUR ANNUAL
CONFERENCE HERE
00:23:10WE HAVE HAD THEM DOWN IN
WASHINGTON, D.C., DOWN WHERE MR.
00:23:17ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS BORN.
WE JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN THE
00:23:21AREA AND WE APPRECIATE HAVING
THE CHANCE TO COME HERE AND BE
00:23:25IN THE HOUSE CHAMBERS.
>> I UNDERSTAND LINCOLN
00:23:31IMPERSONATOR'S HAVE GOT MORE
POPULAR.
00:23:35HOW MUCH CALL IS THEREFORE A
LINK AN IMPERSONATOR?
00:23:37>> IT DEPENDS.
AROUND HIS BIRTHDAY, IS QUITE
00:23:43POPULAR.
WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE DAY
00:23:45THAT HE DIED AND THAT IS WHY WE
GENERALLY TRIED TO CHOOSE IT
00:23:51AROUND THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
WITH THE MOVIE "LINCOLN," THAT
00:23:56HAS CAUSED THE INCREASE AND THE
SCHOOLS OFTEN TIMES, IF THEY
00:24:00CANNOT GO TO A FIELD TRIP, THEY
CAN BRING US IN.
00:24:02>> THE WEEKEND ACTIVITIES FOR
THE IMPERSONATORS OF BOTH
00:24:06ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND HIS WIFE
MARY TODD LINCOLN INCLUDED
00:24:08SEEING A PERFORMANCE OF "OUR
AMERICAN COUSIN," WHICH WAS THE
00:24:11PLAY PRESIDENT LINCOLN WAS
ATTENDING AT FORD'S THEATRE
00:24:17WHEN HE WAS ASSASSINATED ON
APRIL 14, 1865.
00:24:18AND THEY ALSO ARE SCHEDULED FOR
A VISIT TO THE OHIO HISTORICAL
00:24:22CENTER, WHERE THEY'LL MEET WITH
AN IMPERSONATOR PORTRAYING
00:24:24CONFEDERATE PRESIDENT JEFFERSON
DAVIS.
00:24:25AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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