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00:00:29>> AFTER WEEKS OF RUMORS THAT
HE'D LEAVE AND HIS STATED
00:00:32RESOLVE TO STAY IN, THE
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR
00:00:35LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR LEAVES THE
RACE.
00:00:36THE NUMBERS OF DEATH PENALTY
CASES ARE DROPPING, BUT
00:00:40ADVOCATES WANT EXECUTIONS GONE
FOR GOOD.
00:00:42AND WE STRIP AWAY THE POLITICS
FROM THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT
00:00:46AND MEDICAID EXPANSION TO TALK
ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH
00:00:48BOTH OF THOSE IN OHIO.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:50OHIO."
>> AS HAD BEEN EXPECTED FOR
00:01:02DAYS BEFORE IT HAPPENED,
SENATOR ERIC KEARNEY OF
00:01:05CINCINNATI STEPPED DOWN THIS
WEEK AS THE DEMOCRATS'
00:01:08CANDIDATE FOR LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR, FOLLOWING CONTINUING
00:01:10CRITICISM OVER HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN UNPAID
00:01:13BACK TAXES.
KEARNEY MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT
00:01:16TUESDAY BY EMAIL, JUST A WEEK
AFTER SAYING SEVERAL TIMES IN A
00:01:20MARATHON CONFERENCE CALL WITH
REPORTERS THAT, QUOTING KEARNEY
00:01:24HERE, "WE'RE IN IT ALL THE WAY
AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS
00:01:27THROUGH."
ON TUESDAY, KEARNEY TALKED WITH
00:01:29ANN THOMPSON OF PUBLIC RADIO
STATION XVXU IN CINCINNATI.
00:01:33>> I DON'T WANT TO BE A
DISTRACTION.
00:01:35I DON'T WANT OUR BUSINESS, THE
CINCINNATI HERALD, TO BE THE
00:01:37FOCUS OF THE CAMPAIGN, RATHER,
I WANT ISSUES, AND SO THAT'S
00:01:41WHY I MADE THE DECISION.
>> IN AN INTERVIEW WITH ME
00:01:44LATER THAT EVENING, DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR ED
00:01:47FITZGERALD CONFIRMED THAT
KEARNEY HAD TOLD HIM OF HIS
00:01:50FINANCIAL SITUATION BUT
FITZGERALD SAYS THEY MADE THE
00:01:53DECISION FOR HIM TO STEP ASIDE
TOGETHER.
00:01:56AND NOW FITZGERALD WANTS TO
CHANGE THE CONVERSATION
00:01:58SURROUNDING HIS CAMPAIGN.
>> WE HAVE A LONG TIME TO MAKE
00:02:01THAT CASE.
WE'VE ALREADY MADE A LOT OF
00:02:03PROGRESS.
ALL THE POLLS HAVE SHOWN THE
00:02:04RACE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER
AND CLOSER, AND I THINK THEY
00:02:07KNOW THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH
00:02:11TIME TO GET OUR FEET BACK ON
THE GROUND AND START TALKING
00:02:14ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE
REALLY CARE ABOUT.
00:02:16>> THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY
WROTE IN A STATEMENT THAT
00:02:20FITZGERALD SHOULD CONSIDER
LEAVING THE RACE AND THAT,
00:02:22QUOTING HERE, "HIS LACK OF
JUDGMENT AND HONESTY WILL HAUNT
00:02:25HIM FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS
CAMPAIGN."
00:02:28FITZGERALD SAYS HE'S
COMFORTABLE BEING JUDGED FOR
00:02:30THE DECISION TO PUT KEARNEY
ONTO THE TICKET, BECAUSE HE
00:02:34CONSIDERS KEARNEY A
WELL-RESPECTED COMMUNITY LEADER
00:02:36AND PUBLIC SERVANT, AND HE SAYS
HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE
00:02:39DECISION THAT GOVERNOR JOHN
KASICH HAS MADE THAT FITZGERALD
00:02:42THINKS ARE BAD ONES.
AND FITZGERALD SAYS WHILE THE
00:02:45SELECTION OF KEARNEY WAS NOT
RUSHED, HE WILL NOT ANNOUNCE A
00:02:49REPLACEMENT FOR KEARNEY AS
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR CANDIDATE
00:02:53TILL SOMETIME IN JANUARY.
STATE REGULATORS HAVE APPROVED
00:02:55A PLAN TO USE A NEW 220 AREA
CODE IN PARTS OF OHIO NOW
00:03:01COVERED BY THE 740 AREA CODE,
WHICH IS EXPECTED TO RUN OUT OF
00:03:04NUMBERS IN 2015.
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
00:03:07OF OHIO APPROVED A PLAN TO LET
CURRENT 740 CUSTOMERS KEEP THAT
00:03:12AREA CODE ON EXISTING PHONE
LINES.
00:03:15THE NEW 220 AREA CODE WILL BE
ASSIGNED FOR NEW NUMBERS IN
00:03:17PARTS OF CENTRAL AND SOUTHEAST
OHIO.
00:03:20FORMER OHIO LAWMAKER WILLIAM
MALLORY HAS DIED IN CINCINNATI
00:03:24AT AGE 82.
HE WAS THE STATE'S FIRST BLACK
00:03:26HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER AND
LONGEST SERVING IN ITS HISTORY.
00:03:29FORMER CINCINNATI MAYOR MARK
MALLORY, ALSO A FORMER STATE
00:03:33LAWMAKER, SAYS HIS FATHER DIED
PEACEFULLY IN A HOSPICE
00:03:39SURROUNDED BY FAMILY.
THREE OHIO DEER HUNTERS WERE
00:03:42KILLED LAST WEEK, THE FIRST
TIME HUNTERS HAVE DIED SINCE
00:03:462009.
THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL
00:03:48RESOURCES SAYS ALL WERE
BELIEVED TO BE ACCIDENTAL
00:03:50SHOOTINGS.
HUNTERS CHECKED 75,408 DEER
00:03:53THIS YEAR, DOWN 13% FROM 2012.
THE NUMBER OF DEATH PENALTY
00:03:59CASES IN OHIO IS DOWN
DRAMATICALLY THIS YEAR.
00:04:02A SURVEY OF THE NUMBERS OF
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT INDICTMENTS
00:04:06STATEWIDE SHOWS ONLY NINE CASES
SO FAR THIS YEAR COMPARED TO 36
00:04:09LAST YEAR.
AND THE NUMBER IS DOWN
00:04:11SIGNIFICANTLY FROM 2002, WHEN
THERE WERE JUST OVER A HUNDRED
00:04:15DEATH PENALTY CASES IN OHIO,
AND IT'S PLUMMET FLED A RECENT
00:04:19HIGH OF 144 IN 1997.
SINCE IT BECAME A STATE, OHIO
00:04:24HAS EXECUTED MORE THAN 390
CONVICTED MURDERERS, 52 SINCE
00:04:29CLEVELAND KILLER WILFORD BERRY
BECAME THE FIRST PERSON TO BE
00:04:32EXECUTED AFTER CAPITAL
PUNISHMENT RESUMED IN 1999.
00:04:36THREE OF THOSE EXECUTIONS
HAPPENED THIS YEAR.
00:04:38BUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, A
GROWING NUMBER OF HIGH-PROFILE
00:04:41OFFICIALS HAVE BROUGHT UP
SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT
00:04:43EXECUTIONS IN OHIO, PERHAPS
MOST NOTABLY, JUSTICE PAUL
00:04:48PFEIFER WHO HELPED WRITE THE
OHIO DEATH PENALTY STATUTE WHEN
00:04:51HE WAS IN THE STATE SENATE.
HE WAS ON THIS SHOW IN JANUARY
00:04:552012 TALKING ABOUT HIS CONCERNS
ABOUT HOW THE DEATH PENALTY LAW
00:04:58HE HELPED CREATE WAS BEING
APPLIED IN OHIO.
00:05:01THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL
PROPOSALS TO INSTITUTE A
00:05:04MORATORIUM ON EXECUTIONS TILL
THE PROCESS CAN BE FURTHER
00:05:07STUDIED, AND EVEN BILLS BROUGHT
FORWARD TO BAN THE DEATH
00:05:10PENALTY OUTRIGHT, AS 18 STATES
HAVE DONE, THE MOST RECENT WAS
00:05:15INTRODUCED LAST WEEK.
ALL THIS HAS RAISED OPTIMISM
00:05:18AMONG ADVOCATES WHO HAVE BEEN
ARGUING AGAINST THE DEATH
00:05:23PENALTY FOR YEAR, INCLUDING
OHIOANS TO STOP EXECUTIONS.
00:05:26KEVIN WERNER IS THAT EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR AND HE'S HERE TO TALK
00:05:30ABOUT THE ISSUE.
SO IN SIGHT OF THE HIGH-PROFILE
00:05:34PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN OUT,
TERRY COLLINS, THE FORMER
00:05:38D.R.C. DIRECTOR, THE SPONSORS
OF THE BILL THAT HAVE HELPED TO
00:05:42END THE DEATH PENALTY HAVE BEEN
DEMOCRATS.
00:05:45DEMOCRATS ARE NOT IN POWER
RIGHT NOW.
00:05:46THESE BILLS HAVE NOT GOTTEN A
WHOLE LOT OF TRACTION.
00:05:49DO YOU REALLY HOPE THAT
SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN WITH THE
00:05:52DEATH PENALTY NOW?
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE
00:05:54PINNING YOUR HOPES ON?
>> WELL, FOR SURE THE
00:05:57LEGISLATION THAT WAS INTRODUCED
BY REPRESENTIVES ANTONIO AND
00:06:02RAMOS, THERE IS A REPUBLICAN
WHO'S ON THAT -- A CO-SPONSOR.
00:06:05AND SO I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE'RE
00:06:09GOING TO BEGIN A VERY IMPORTANT
AND SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT
00:06:12THE FUTURE OF OHIO'S DEATH
PENALTY.
00:06:15FOR ABOUT THE LAST TWO YEARS,
THE SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN
00:06:18REVIEWING THE PROCESS OF THE
DEATH PENALTY TASK FORCE, AND
00:06:23WHAT THEY'RE FINDING
OVERWHELMINGLY IS THAT THE
00:06:26CRITICISM OF OHIO'S DEATH
PENALTY SYSTEM, THAT FIRST
00:06:30CAME, I THINK, MOST PROMINENTLY
IN 2007, THE AMERICAN BAR
00:06:34ASSOCIATION RELEASED A REPORT
THAT CITED 93% OF THE -- OF THE
00:06:40GUIDELINES RATHER TO ENSURE
FAIRNESS AND ACCURACY WERE
00:06:44MISSING FROM OHIO'S DEATH
PENALTY STATUTE.
00:06:46SO FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE
SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN
00:06:50REVIEWING.
THERE WILL BE SOME
00:06:51RECOMMENDATIONS COMING, I THINK
PROBABLY IN THE FIRST FEW
00:06:54MONTHS OF 2014.
AND ULTIMATELY THE DEATH
00:06:59PENALTY SYSTEM IN OHIO, I
BELIEVE, WILL BE REPEALED.
00:07:02IT'S A QUESTION OF WHEN THE
LEGISLATURE COMES TO THE SAME
00:07:07CONCLUSION THAT JUSTICE
PFEIFER, THE FORMER ATTORNEY,
00:07:12AND A FORMER JUSTICE EVELYN
STRATTON, FORMER DEPARTMENT OF
00:07:16CORRECTIONS HEAD, THAT WE JUST
DON'T NEED THE DEATH PENALTY
00:07:19ANYMORE AND A LOT OF THAT IS
BECAUSE IT IS A SYSTEM THAT'S
00:07:23UNFAIR, THAT OFTEN TAKES
DECADES TO CONCLUDE AND AT THE
00:07:29END OF THE DAY MURDERED
VICTIMS' FAMILY MEMBERS ARE NOT
00:07:32BEING SURD SERVED.
IT WILL BE REPEALED.
00:07:35IT'S A QUESTION OF WHEN.
>> WITH THE NUMBERS IN DEATH
00:07:39PENALTIES INDICTMENT DROPPING,
WHY DO YOU NEED A LAW?
00:07:41WHY NOT JUST WAIT AND LET THE
PROCESS WORK OUT?
00:07:44DEATH PENALTY CASES ARE
EXPENSIVE.
00:07:46THEY ARE VERY COSTLY TO
FAMILIES AS WELL AS TO THE
00:07:48STATE.
AND WHY NOT LET THE SYSTEM WORK
00:07:50IT OUT THAT WAY RATHER THAN TRY
AND HAVE A BAN?
00:07:52>> SURE.
WELL, THE REASON THAT THE LAW
00:07:55NEEDS TO BE REPEALED AND WHY
ALL OF THE TASK FORCE
00:07:59RECOMMENDATIONS NEED TO BE
FULLY IMPLEMENTED IS BECAUSE
00:08:02EVEN IF WE LET THE SYSTEM WORK
ITSELF OUT, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON
00:08:06OHIO'S DEATH ROW TODAY, WE
QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THEY
00:08:09ARE, IN FACT, GUILTY OF THE
CRIMES THEY COMMITTED.
00:08:11BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT'S
APPLIED FROM ONE COUNTY TO THE
00:08:15NEXT, HAMILTON COUNTY
PROSECUTOR TALKS ABOUT THIS A
00:08:20LOT.
THE NUMBERS OF INDICTMENTS THAT
00:08:21ARE COMING OUT OF CUYAHOGA
COUNTY AS COMPARED TO, SAY,
00:08:26HAMILTON COUNTY, THEY JUST
DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
00:08:28AND SO WHAT WE WILL HAVE IF WE
CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE SYSTEM TO
00:08:32TRY TO WORK ITSELF OUT, THE
UNDERLYING PROBLEMS ARE NOT
00:08:35ADDRESSED.
AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE
00:08:39INSTANCES WHERE WE'RE EXECUTING
PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUSLY
00:08:41MENTALLY ILL, WE'RE CONTINUING
TO SEE EXECUTIONS THAT GO
00:08:47FORWARD WHEN THERE ARE
LAST-MINUTE QUESTIONS RAISED AS
00:08:49TO WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE IS
GUILTY OR INNOCENT.
00:08:52AND SO FROM A PROCESS
STANDPOINT, THOSE CORRECTIONS
00:08:55NEED TO BE MADE AT THE FRONT
END OF THE SYSTEM.
00:08:57THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE TASK
FORCE REALLY FOCUSED ON, WAS
00:09:01THAT THE TRIAL OUGHT TO BE THE
MAIN EVENT AND NOT THE 25 OR 30
00:09:06YEARS OF APPEALS.
IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THE SYSTEM
00:09:10NOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO SEE IS CASES THAT
00:09:14WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH THE
APPEALS PROCESS AND THEY GET
00:09:17OVERTURNED, THEY GET
RESENTENCED, AND THEN ALL OF A
00:09:20SUDDEN THE MURDER VICTIMS'
FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WERE
00:09:24PROMISED JUSTICE, WHAT THEY
DON'T HAVE IS THEY DON'T HAVE A
00:09:27JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT'S SWIFT AND
THAT'S CERTAIN.
00:09:29AND MAKING SOME OF THESE
CORRECTIONS, IT'S NOT GOING TO
00:09:32ROOT OUT ALL THE PROBLEMS, BUT
IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT A MUCH
00:09:36FAIRER AND JUST SYSTEM.
>> I SAID IN A LOT OF HEARINGS
00:09:40AND YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT THE
CHILDHOOD THAT THESE FOLKS
00:09:42EXPERIENCED, A LOT OF ABUSE, A
LOT OF NEGLECT.
00:09:45YOU MENTIONED MENTAL ILLNESS,
AND THERE'S A LOT OF THAT
00:09:48DISCUSSION IN THERE, TOO.
BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A
00:09:51WHOLE LOT OF PUBLIC SYMPATHY
FOR FOLKS IN THESE POSITIONS,
00:09:53AND I'M WONDERING HOW DO YOU
CHANGE THE PUBLIC'S ATTITUDE?
00:09:58SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC
SAYING, GOOD, THIS PERSON'S
00:10:01GETTING WHAT THEY DESERVE?
>> SURE.
00:10:03WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT WHEN
WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, I'M A
00:10:06PERSON WHO IS CONVINCED BY
NUMBERS.
00:10:08AND WHEN WE OPERATE A SYSTEM
THAT ROUGHLY HAS INITIATED
00:10:12SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK OF
3,400 CAPITAL CASES OVER THE 33
00:10:17YEARS, WE'RE LEFT WITH ABOUT
312, 316 ACTUAL SENTENCES.
00:10:23OF THOSE 312, ABOUT 40% GET
OVERTURNED OR GET CHANGED OR
00:10:32COMMUTED OR RESULT IN SOME
OTHER OUTCOME THAN A PERSON
00:10:35BEING EXECUTED.
AND SO FROM A PUBLIC POLICY
00:10:39STANDPOINT, WHEN WE LOOK ACROSS
THE WHOLE SPECTRUM, WHAT WE SEE
00:10:42IS THAT 95% OF THE CASES THAT
ARE INITIATED, SO I'M GOING
00:10:45BACK TO AN EVEN LARGER NUMBER,
95% OF THOSE CASES DO NOT
00:10:50RESULT IN THE OUTCOME WE WANT,
WHICH IS HAVING A PERSON
00:10:54SENTENCED TO DEATH.
AND SO IF WE'RE OPERATING A
00:10:57SYSTEM THAT FAILS NINE TIMES
OUT OF 10, THE BETTER PUBLIC
00:11:01POLICY, I THINK, IS TO PUT THE
RESOURCES WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED.
00:11:04AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH FULLY
FUNDING MEMBERS OF THE LAW
00:11:07ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY SO THEY
CAN KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE.
00:11:10IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH WHAT ARE
THE NEEDS OF THE MURDER
00:11:14VICTIMS?
AT THE OUTSET OF A CAPITAL
00:11:16TRIAL, I DON'T THINK ANY MURDER
VICTIMS' FAMILY MEMBER WANTS TO
00:11:19GO THROUGH 20 OR 25 YEARS OF A
PROCESS.
00:11:22AND SO IT'S ABOUT PUTTING FORTH
THE NEEDS OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS
00:11:27AND UNDERSTANDING THAT EVEN
THOUGH THE INTENTION MAY BE
00:11:32WELL MEANING, IT'S NOT IN THE
LONG RUN.
00:11:35>> I WANT TO ASK YOU FINALLY,
YOU'VE SAID THE ONLY
00:11:39PREDICTABLE THING ABOUT OHIO'S
DEATH PENALTY IS THAT IT IS
00:11:43UNPREDICTABLE.
THAT'S BEEN THE CASE IN THE
00:11:45LAST COUPLE YEARS.
IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE'VE
00:11:47CHANGED THE WAY THAT EXECUTIONS
ARE PERFORMED IN OHIO THREE
00:11:50TIMES.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF
00:11:51LAST-MINUTE THINGS THAT HAVE
HAPPENED HERE.
00:11:53SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU
FEEL LIKE THAT THERE'S ANY
00:11:56PROGRESS BEING MADE ON THAT
UNPREDICTABILITY AND IF THAT'S
00:11:59JUST PART OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM?
>> I THINK IT'S PART OF THE
00:12:02WHOLE SYSTEM.
I THINK WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
00:12:04HUMAN BEINGS RUN THE SYSTEM,
AND SO IT WILL ALWAYS BE PRONE
00:12:08TO MISTAKES.
BUT CERTAINLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN
00:12:10IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, OHIO HAS
SCHEDULED EXECUTEDTIONS AND
00:12:15THEN ABOUT HALF OF THEM
ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE.
00:12:18AND THAT'S DUE TO A WHOLE HOST
OF REASONS.
00:12:20SOME OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH
ONGOING LITIGATION THAT'S BEEN
00:12:24HAPPENING --
>> THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN MY
00:12:27CASE.
I WITNESSED WIL FORD BERRY AND
00:12:29THERE WERE TWO OR THREE
SITUATIONS WHERE THE
00:12:32LAST-MINUTE LEGAL CHALLENGES
POSTPONED THE EXECUTION.
00:12:35>> ATHAT'S RIGHT.
AND I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE
00:12:36GETTING INTO THIS AREA WHERE
WE'RE EXPERIMENTING, THE NEW
00:12:40PROTOCOL THAT'S ON THE BOOKS
NOW, SORT OF SPEAK, IT'S NEVER
00:12:44BEEN DONE ANYWHERE IN THE
COUNTRY, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD,
00:12:46AND SO WE'RE REALLY TINKERING
WITH THE MACHINERY OF DEATH.
00:12:50AND I THINK THAT THAT IS ONLY
GOING TO CONTINUE TO RAISE
00:12:53PROBLEMS AND TO RAISE ISSUES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK
00:12:57ABOUT OFTEN IS THE IMPACT OF
ASKING A STATE EMPLOYEE TO
00:13:01CARRY OUT A JOB THAT NO ONE
REALLY WANTS TO DO.
00:13:04AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE PART OF
THE CONVERSATION THE IMPACT
00:13:07THAT THIS TAKES ON CORRECTIONS
EMPLOYEES.
00:13:10YOU KNOW, WE ALSO SEE PROBLEMS
BECAUSE THE FOLKS WHO ARE
00:13:14CARRYING OUT THE EXECUTIONS,
AND IT'S A JOB THAT I COULD
00:13:18NEVER DO, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY
TRAINED PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL
00:13:22EXPERTS?
AND THE ANSWER TO THAT WE KNOW
00:13:23IS NO.
AND SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT
00:13:26TAKING A PERSON WHO IS LIVING,
BREATHING NORMALLY ONE MOMENT
00:13:32TO NOT THE NEXT IS A RATHER
COMPLEX MEDICAL PROCEDURE.
00:13:35AND SO THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF
ETHICS INVOLVED.
00:13:39ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS
00:13:41WANTED TO DO AND HAS DONE IS TO
ASK THAT PHYSICIANS BE PART OF
00:13:47THIS PROCESS.
AND IMMEDIATELY WHEN THAT
00:13:51PROPOSAL WAS PUT FORTH, THE
STATE MEDICAL ASSOCIATION SAID
00:13:54NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN
THAT ROAD.
00:13:57AND SO WE AS A SOCIETY DON'T
HANDLE DEATH WELL.
00:14:03AND I THINK THAT THOSE PROBLEMS
MANIFEST THEMSELVES IN THE
00:14:06EXECUTION CHAMBER, WHETHER
THAT'S LONG-TERM IMPACT ON THE
00:14:10CORRECTIONS OFFICIALS
THEMSELVES.
00:14:12ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HOW ARE WE
GOING TO FIND THESE DRUGS?
00:14:15THE MANUFACTURERS ARE SAYING
NO, YOU CAN'T USE THESE DRUGS.
00:14:18THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WERE
PURPOSED FOR.
00:14:20AND SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE
TO SEE THESE KINDS OF PROBLEMS
00:14:24IN THE FUTURE.
>> ALL RIGHT.
00:14:25KEVIN WERNER FROM OHIOANS TO
STOP EXECUTIONS, THANK YOU VERY
00:14:28MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
00:14:29>> AS OF THE END OF LAST MONTH,
NEARLY 5,700 OHIO RESIDENTS
00:14:32HAVE SUCCESSFULLY PICKED HEALTH
INSURANCE PLANS THROUGH THE NEW
00:14:36ONLINE MARKETPLACE CREATED BY
THE FEDERAL AFFORDABLE CARE
00:14:39ACT, ALSO CALLED OBAMACARE.
SINCE OHIO OFFICIALS ELECTED
00:14:42NOT TO SET UP AN INDIVIDUAL
STATE EXCHANGE, OHIOANS HAVE TO
00:14:46SIGN UP THROUGH THE MALIGNED
PUBLIC WEBSITE OR OVER THE
00:14:49PHONE.
MEANWHILE, THE STATE IS ALSO
00:14:51SIGNING UP PEOPLE WHO ARE PART
OF THE STATE'S CONTROVERSIAL
00:14:54MEDICAID EXPANSION THROUGH ITS
NEW WEBSITE.
00:14:57THE STATE HAS ALREADY BROUGHT
IN MORE THAN 1,100
00:15:01APPLICATIONS.
AND MEDICAID IS A HUGE PART OF
00:15:02STATE SPENDING, MORE THAN $OF
BILLION, OR A QUARTER OF THE
00:15:07ENTIRE STATE BUDGET.
AND WITH SUPPORTERS OF MEDICAID
00:15:10EXPANSION CLAIMING THE STATE
WILL GET $13 BILLION FROM THE
00:15:13FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVER SEVEN
YEARS, IT IS A HUGE ISSUE.
00:15:16HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE EFFECT
OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND
00:15:20MEDICAID EXPANSION IS AMY
ROHLING MCGEE, PRESIDENT OF THE
00:15:23HEALTH POLICY INSTITUTE OF
OHIO.
00:15:24SO LET'S START WITH THE
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WEBSITE AND
00:15:28ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
SIGNED UP FOR INSURANCE THROUGH
00:15:32THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK
00:15:34POTENTIALLY IS IN THIS GROUP
HERE IN OHIO?
00:15:36>> WELL, I THINK THERE ARE
QUITE A FEW MORE PEOPLE WHO
00:15:40EITHER HAVEN'T HAD HEALTH
INSURANCE IN THE PAST OR WHO
00:15:44MIGHT LIKE TO GO AND SHOP ON
THE NEW FEDERAL WEBSITE BUT
00:15:47HAVE NOT DONE SO YET BECAUSE OF
ALL OF THE CHALLENGES WITH
00:15:51USING THAT WEBSITE.
SO WE DO HEAR THAT THE WEBSITE
00:15:54IS WORKING MORE SMOOTHLY FOR
PEOPLE, AND I THINK IF SOMEONE
00:15:58HAS TRIED IN THE PAST AND
EXPERIENCED CHALLENGES, NOW IS
00:16:01THE TIME TO GO BACK ON AND WORK
THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.
00:16:03AND HOPEFULLY HAVE A BETTER
RESULT THAN IN THE PAST.
00:16:07>> AND WE HAD HEARD FOR YEARS
ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF UNINSURED
00:16:10OHIOANS.
IT WAS OVER A MILLION.
00:16:11AND I'M WONDERING WHERE DO YOU
THINK THAT NUMBER IS RIGHT NOW?
00:16:16>> WELL, PROBABLY ABOUT THE
SAME.
00:16:18I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S BEEN
IMPACTED THAT DRAMATICALLY
00:16:21QUITE YET, BUT WITH THE
MEDICAID EXPANSION GOING INTO
00:16:25EFFECT AND MORE PEOPLE GETTING
THAT COVERAGE AND THEN PEOPLE
00:16:28-- MORE PEOPLE GETTING PRIVATE
HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE, WE
00:16:32DO EXPECT THAT THE NUMBER OF
UNSURED WILL BEGIN TO DROP.
00:16:36BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WILL
HAPPEN UNTIL WE'RE FELL INTO
00:16:392014.
>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE
00:16:40WHO DON'T HAVE HEALTH
INSURANCE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO
00:16:42THE WEBSITE IS AIMED AT, THAT'S
WHO MEDICAID EXPANSION IS AIMED
00:16:46AT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF
NEGATIVE TALK AS YOU MENTIONED
00:16:49THERE.
HOW DO YOU REACH THOSE FOLKS
00:16:50WHO DO NEED INSURANCE AND WANT
INSURANCE TO TELL THEM WHAT TO
00:16:54DO TO GET INSURANCE?
>> WELL, THERE IS ON THE
00:17:02HEALTHCARE.GOV WEBSITE, THERE
IS A LINK TO KNOW WHO IN THEIR
00:17:09COMMUNITY IS OUT THERE TO HELP
THEM FIGURE THIS ALL OUT.
00:17:12BECAUSE ONE THING WE KNOW IS
THAT THIS HAS GOTTEN -- THIS
00:17:15PROCESS OF SHOPPING FOR HEALTH
INSURANCE HAS GOTTEN MORE
00:17:19COMPLICATED, AT LEAST RIGHT
NOW, THAN LESS COMPLICATED.
00:17:23AND HAVING PEOPLE OUT THERE,
WHETHER THEY BE NAVIGATORS OR
00:17:29ASSISTORS OR AGENTS AND BROKERS
TO HELP TALK YOU THROUGH ALL OF
00:17:32THE NUANCES IS REALLY
IMPORTANT.
00:17:34I THINK ONE OF OUR -- ONE OF
OUR CONCERNS HAS BEEN THAT
00:17:37PEOPLE MIGHT GO ONLINE AND THEY
MIGHT JUST PICK THE PLAN THAT
00:17:40HAS THE LOWEST PREMIUM.
BUT THEY ALSO NEED TO BE
00:17:44LOOKING AT OTHER ISSUES, LIKE
THE DEDUCTIBLE.
00:17:47IF A PLAN HAS AN $11,000
DEDUCTIBLE, THAT MEANS THAT YOU
00:17:51HAVE TO PAY $11,000 OUT OF
POCKET BEFORE THE REST OF THE
00:17:55BENEFITS KICK IN.
AND THAT COULD BE SIGNIFICANT
00:17:58FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A
LOT OF SAVINGS AND, YOU KNOW,
00:18:02REALLY CAN'T AFFORD THAT COST.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE
00:18:04TO LOOK AT THEIR PROVIDER
NETWORKS OF THESE PLANS TO MAKE
00:18:07SURE THAT IF THEY ARE SEEING A
PROVIDER AND WANT TO CONTINUE
00:18:11TO SEE THAT PARTICULAR
PHYSICIAN OR OTHER PROVIDER
00:18:14THAT, MAKE SURE THAT THEIR
PROVIDER IS COVERED ON THE PLAN
00:18:17BEFORE THEY SELECT IT.
SAME WITH MEDICATIONS.
00:18:19IF YOU'RE ON A MEDICATION
THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL TO YOUR
00:18:22HEALTH, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT THAT'S COVERED AS WELL.
00:18:25>> AND PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO FIND
THAT OUT?
00:18:27I MEAN, WE KEEP HEARING STORIES
ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE LOSING
00:18:30ACCESS TO THEIR DOCTORS OR
WHATEVER.
00:18:32BUT THEN YOU ALSO HEAR THE
OTHER STORIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE
00:18:35FINDING INSURANCE COVERAGE THAT
IS CHEAPER THAN WHAT THEY WERE
00:18:37ALREADY PAYING.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
00:18:39AND I KNOW THAT FOR US, WE ARE
A SMALL BUSINESS.
00:18:43WE'RE A SMALL NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATION WITH SEVEN STAFF,
00:18:45SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR
HEALTH INSURANCE AS A SMALL
00:18:48BUSINESS.
SO I CAN SPEAK FROM WHAT THAT
00:18:51EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN LIKE.
AND I KNOW THAT IT IS VERY
00:18:54CHALLENGING TO KIND OF ASSESS
ALL THE DIFFERENT FACTORS AND
00:18:58FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST
OPTION.
00:19:01IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT TO ASK
QUESTIONS, AS MANY QUESTIONS AS
00:19:06YOU NEED TO ASK TO GET TO CLEAR
INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN
00:19:11MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR YOU
AND YOUR FAMILY.
00:19:13>> AND SPEAKING OF SMALL
BUSINESSES, YOU'RE REALLY
00:19:16TALKING SPECIFICALLY TO SMALL
BUSINESSES OVER THE LAST COUPLE
00:19:18OF WEEKS.
THE FOUNDATION SAID THAT LESS
00:19:22THAN 40% OF OHIO BUSINESS WITH
FEWER THAN 50 EMPLOYEES HAVE
00:19:25HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS AS
PART OF THEIR PACKAGE, AT LEAST
00:19:30LAST YEAR THEY DID.
AND SO NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO
00:19:32TELL SMALL BUSINESSES TO LOOK
AT THAT AND START PLANNING FOR
00:19:35THAT FOR NEXT YEAR.
>> RIGHT.
00:19:37AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN
VERY CHALLENGING FOR SMALL
00:19:40BUSINESSES BECAUSE MANY OF THE
INSURERS HAVE NOT, UNTIL JUST
00:19:45RECENTLY, BEEN RELEASING QUOTES
FOR 2014 COVERAGE.
00:19:48AND SO HERE YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES
IN YOUR SMALL BUSINESS THAT
00:19:52WANT TO OFFER COVERAGE BUT
FIGURING OUT WHAT YOUR OPTIONS
00:19:55ARE HAVE BEEN REALLY
CHALLENGING.
00:19:57THERE'S JUST SO MUCH IN FLUX
RIGHT NOW THAT -- THAT GETTING
00:20:01CLEAR INFORMATION IN A TIMELY
MANNER HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.
00:20:04>> NOW, LET'S MOVE ON TO
MEDICAID EXPANSION HERE, WHICH
00:20:07IS A CONTROVERSIAL IDEA.
THERE'S A LAWSUIT THAT'S
00:20:10PENDING ON THAT.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THE STATE IS
00:20:12WORKING WITH MEDICAID EXPANSION
AS THE REALITY.
00:20:16ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO
BENEFIT FROM MEDICAID EXPANSION
00:20:20STILL IN THAT SAME UNINSURED
GROUP, AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU
00:20:23CAN TALK ABOUT WHO ACTUALLY IS
IN THAT GROUP THAT YOU FEEL
00:20:26WILL BE BENEFITING THROUGH
MEDICAID EXPANSION.
00:20:29>> SO SOME OF THEM ARE
CURRENTLY UNINSURED PEOPLE WHO
00:20:32WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR MEDICAID.
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE
00:20:36UNDERINSURED TODAY, MEANING
THAT THEY HAVE A PLAN THAT HAS
00:20:37A VERY HIGH DEDUCTIBLE WHICH,
IN FACT, MAKES THEM UNINSURED
00:20:42IF YOU HAVE A VERY LIMITED
INCOME.
00:20:45SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF
PEOPLE THAT WE EXPECT TO BE
00:20:48ENROLLING IN MEDICAID.
WELL, IN ADDITION TO THE PEOPLE
00:20:52THAT ARE ALREADY ELIGIBLE FOR
COVERAGE BUT PERHAPS DIDN'T
00:20:55KNOW THEY WERE ELIGIBLE AND WE
HEAR THAT ACTUALLY QUITE A FEW
00:20:58OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY
GONE THROUGH HEALTHCARE.GOV AND
00:21:03FOUND OUT THAT THEY'RE
ELIGIBLE, THERE'S ISSUES WITH
00:21:06THE TECHNOLOGICAL TRANSFER OF
THE DATA FROM HEALTHCARE.GOV TO
00:21:10THE STATE.
SO ONE PIECE OF ADVICE IS THAT
00:21:13ANYONE WHO'S APPLIED FOR
COVERAGE THROUGH HEALTHCARE.GOV
00:21:18AND HAS GOTTEN SOME KIND OF
INDICATION THAT THEY'RE
00:21:21ELIGIBLE FOR MEDICAID SHOULD
LIKELY GO TO BENEFITS.OHIO.GOV,
00:21:27THE NEW STATE WEB PORTAL AND
APPLY AGAIN IN ORDER TO MAKE
00:21:30SURE THAT THEY TRULY GET
COVERAGE.
00:21:34BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK THAT
THAT TECHNOLOGICAL TRANSFER IS
00:21:39OPERATIONAL AT THIS POINT.
>> NOW, THERE WERE SOME CRITICS
00:21:42WHO OPPOSE MEDICAID EXPANSION
FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, BUT
00:21:45THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME
OF THE NUMBERS THAT YOU USED IN
00:21:48YOUR TESTIMONY TO SENATORS
ABOUT MEDICAID EXPANSION, WHAT
00:21:51WOULD HAPPEN IN OHIO.
AND I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY TALK
00:21:54ABOUT THE WELCOME MAT EFFECT OR
THE WOODWORK EFFECT.
00:21:57THERE'S SOME CRITICS THAT HAVE
SAID THAT IS GOING TO BE A MUCH
00:22:01BIGGER EFFECT THAN ANYBODY'S
REALIZING, THAT THE NUMBERS
00:22:03YOU'RE PREDICTING, ABOUT 70% OF
PEOPLE ELAGE IBBLING WILL
00:22:06ACTUALLY ENROLL, THAT THAT
NUMBER IS TOO LOW.
00:22:08WHERE DID YOU GET THAT NUMBER?
>> WELL, THOSE NUMBERS WERE
00:22:11USED -- WERE DEVELOPED USING
MODELS BASED ON OTHER STATES'
00:22:15EXPERIENCES.
SO THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME
00:22:17THAT MEDICAID HAS BEEN
EXPANDED.
00:22:21AND OTHER STATES KIND OF WENT
AHEAD OF THE COUNTRY,
00:22:25MASSACHUSETTS, FOR EXAMPLE, SO
THE RESEARCHERS THAT BUILT THE
00:22:28MODELS THAT WE USED TO PROJECT
MEDICAID ENROLLMENT LOOKED AT
00:22:32THAT EXPERIENCE AND THOSE OTHER
STATES.
00:22:34NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, THESE
ARE PROJECTIONS.
00:22:38AND THEY COULD BE HIGHER, THEY
COULD BE LOWER.
00:22:43THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED IT TO
BE.
00:22:45BUT I THINK LOOKING AT OTHER
STATES' EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST
00:22:50IS A RATIONAL WAY OF PROJECTING
FOR OUR STATE.
00:22:53>> IS THERE A CONCERN THAT THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER GETTING
00:22:56INSURANCE NOW FOR THE FIRST
TIME THROUGH THE FEDERAL
00:22:59WEBSITE OR WHO ARE NOW IN THE
MEDICAID EXPANSION GROUP, THAT
00:23:04THESE PEOPLE WERE
UNDERESTIMATING HOW COSTLY
00:23:06THESE PEOPLE MIGHT BE TO THE
SYSTEM, THAT THEY MIGHT BE
00:23:08SICKER OR THAT THEY MIGHT JUST
BE MORE COSTLY THAN MAYBE
00:23:12ANYBODY WAS EXPECTED?
AGAIN, THE PROJECTIONS, BUT DO
00:23:14YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE
CAREFULLY TALKING ABOUT THIS
00:23:20NUMBER AND HOW MUCH THESE
PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY COST THE
00:23:22STATE?
>> WELL, ONCE AGAIN, WE'VE USED
00:23:27THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHER STATES
AND THE BEST AVAILABLE DATA TO
00:23:31PROJECT.
NOW, THERE'S LOTS OF FACTORS
00:23:35THOUGH THAT GO INTO THESE KIND
OF ANALYSES.
00:23:40AND THERE'S SOME UNKNOWNS.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE,
00:23:44THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THE
RATE FOR PRIMARY CARE PROVIDERS
00:23:48THAT WAS A PART OF THE
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
00:23:54AND DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT
THAT CONTINUES, THAT COULD
00:23:58IMPACT COSTS.
THERE'S OTHER UNKNOWNS THAT
00:24:00COULD IMPACT COSTS EITHER
POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY.
00:24:03I THINK LOOKING AT WHAT THE
EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IN OTHER
00:24:06STATES WAS AGAIN A RATIONAL WAY
OF LOOKING AT IT.
00:24:10>> AND FINALLY, YOU HAVE A
RESOURCE PAGE IF PEOPLE HAVE
00:24:13QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, YOU'RE A NONPARTISAN
00:24:15GROUP.
YOU DON'T HAVE A POSITION ON
00:24:17THIS.
BUT YOU'VE DEVELOPED A RESOURCE
00:24:19PAGE WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY
CHECK AND SEE IF THEY'VE GOT A
00:24:23QUESTION OR TWO ABOUT EITHER
MEDICAID EXPANSION OR ABOUT THE
00:24:26FEDERAL WEBSITE, THEY CAN GO TO
YOUR WEBSITE.
00:24:28>> THAT'S RIGHT.
SO THE HEALTH POLICY INSTITUTE
00:24:31OF OHIO IS AN INDEPENDENT,
UNBIASED SOURCE OF INFORMATION
00:24:34AND ANALYSIS.
WE'RE FUNDED BY FOUNDATIONS
00:24:37FROM THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
THAT'S WHAT REALLY ENABLES US
00:24:40TO BE INDEPENDENT.
AND WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF
00:24:43RESOURCE PAGES ON OUR WEBSITE
AND FACT SHEETS AND BASIC
00:24:49DOCUMENTS TO HELP WALK PEOPLE
THROUGH THIS BECAUSE IT IS --
00:24:52IT IS COMPLICATED.
I MEAN, WE DO THIS FULL TIME
00:24:56FOR A LIVING, AND WE ARE
LEARNING SOMETHING NEW EVERY
00:24:59SINGLE DAY.
SO IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT
00:25:02OTHERS ARE CONFUSED, AND I
THINK LOOKING FOR GOOD, SOLID
00:25:08SOURCES OF INFORMATION, WHETHER
IT BE FROM -- FROM OUR
00:25:12ORGANIZATION OR THROUGH OTHERS,
IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
00:25:16IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR
PEOPLE TO KIND OF EDUCATE
00:25:20THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEIR
FINANCIAL WELL BEING AS WELL AS
00:25:22THEIR HEALTH IS AT STAKE HERE.
AND HAVING GOOD, SOLID
00:25:27INFORMATION IN ORDER TO MAKE
WELL-INFORMED DECISIONS IS VERY
00:25:32IMPORTANT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
00:25:34AMY ROHLING MCGEE, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
00:25:37>> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> AND THAT IS IT FOR THIS
00:25:39WEEK.
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