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The Secretary of State will soon decide if two Libertarians on the ballot - Charlie Earl, who's running for governor, and Steven Linnabary, who's running for Attorney General - will keep those spots. Ohio says fewer inmates than ever are going back to prison after they've been released. And JobsOhio says it had a good 2013, reporting that it created nearly 18,000 jobs and saved 70,000 jobs, but Democrats say the job numbers are overblown.

Last week's State of the State speech in Medina was Gov. John Kasich's shortest one - but it arguably included the most proposed legislation and policy changes. He talked about lowering the top income tax rate to below 5%. He said he wanted to put $35 million in new tobacco settlement money into programs to help tobacco users quit. He asked lawmakers to approve spending $10 million in casino licensing fees on a mentoring program for at-risk high school kids. Sharing their thoughts on those ideas and more are Greg Lawson with the conservative Buckeye Institute, which describes itself as a free-market think tank, and Jon Honeck with the Center for Community Solutions, a progressive-leaning research group dealing with fiscal, health, social and economic policy.

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00:00:00	>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF
00:00:03	OHIO" COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES OF PORTER, WRIGHT,
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00:00:09	COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD -- ON THE WEB AT
00:00:11	PORTERWRIGHT.COM. AND FROM AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:20	ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING 121,000 TEACHERS, SUPPORT
00:00:21	PROFESSIONALS AND HIGHER EDUCATION FACULTY, COMMITTED TO
00:00:22	THE SUCCESS OF EVERY CHILD, ONLINE AT OHEA.ORG.
00:00:28	>> THE TWO LIBERTARIANS RUNNING FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE FACE
00:00:32	CHALLENGES TO THEIR PLACES ON THE BALLOT.
00:00:34	AND THE GOVERNOR'S STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH WAS SHORTER THAN
00:00:37	USUAL, BUT WAS PACKED WITH PROPOSALS, INCLUDING A CALL TO
00:00:41	LOWER THE TOP INCOME TAX RATE. TWO RESEARCHERS ARE HERE TO
00:00:44	SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS ON THAT IDEA.
00:00:45	ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF OHIO"MENT.
00:00:56	>> THE CAM PLANE BY LIBERTARIANS TO HAVE CANDIDATES
00:01:00	IN EACH OF THE FIVE STATEWIDE EXECUTIVE OFFICE RACES HASN'T
00:01:03	GONE WELL. LIBERTARIANS WERE DISQUALIFIED
00:01:05	FROM THREE OF THOSE RACES, AND PROTESTS WERE FILED AGAINST THE
00:01:09	TWO STILL ON THE BALLOT, CHARLIE EARL, WHO'S RUNNING FOR
00:01:13	GOVERNOR, AND STEVEN LINNABARY WHO'S RUNNING FOR ATTORNEY
00:01:15	GENERAL. THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE
00:01:16	HELD HEARINGS THIS WEEK, LED BY FORMER FEDERAL ELECTIONS
00:01:20	COMMISSIONER BRAD SMITH, WHO'S A LAW PROFESSOR AT CAPITAL
00:01:24	UNIVERSITY IN COLUMBUS. THE PROTESTERS TO THE
00:01:27	LIBERTARIANS' PRESENCE ON THE BALLOT SAY THE SIGNATURES THAT
00:01:29	PUT THEM IN THOSE RACES ARE NOT VALID BECAUSE THE CIRCULATORS
00:01:33	NEED TO BE MEMBERS OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY.
00:01:35	AND IN EARL'S CASE, LAWYERS FOR THE PROTESTERS SAY DEMOCRATS
00:01:40	SPENT LOTS OF MONEY TO GET SIGNATURES FOR EARL IN THE
00:01:43	HOPES THAT HIS PRESENCE WOULD SIPHON VOTES AWAY FROM
00:01:46	INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN JOHN KASICH.
00:01:49	THE LIBERTARIANS' ATTORNEY SAYS AS LONG AS CIRCULATORS HAVE NOT
00:01:52	VOTED IN A PRIMARY FOR TWO YEARS, THEY CAN CIRCULATE
00:01:55	PETITIONS, AND THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LAW THAT
00:01:58	PREVENTS DEMOCRATS FROM WORKING WITH LIBERTARIANS.
00:02:01	CHARLIE EARL WAS IN THE ROOM BUT WAS NOT CALLED TO TESTIFY,
00:02:05	AND HE TOLD ME LATER HE EXPECTED THIS.
00:02:08	>> THEIR GOAL IS TO KEEP NEWS COURT TILL NOVEMBER 4.
00:02:11	I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I
00:02:13	BECAME A LIBERTARIAN. I GOT TIRED OF THE CRAP.
00:02:17	AND FELT IT WAS TIME THAT THE PEOPLE HAD A VOICE WHEN WE
00:02:21	STAND UP THERE AND WE SAY WE BELIEVE IN LIBERTY, WE BELIEVE
00:02:24	IN CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT. LET'S GET RID OF THIS STUFF.
00:02:26	>> SECRETARY OF STATE JON HUFTED HAS THE FINAL DECISION
00:02:28	ON WHETHER EARL AND LINNABARY WILL STAY ON THE BALLOT.
00:02:31	EARL SAYS IF HIS SIGNATURES ARE RULED INVALID AND HE DOESN'T
00:02:35	SEE ANY OTHER RECOURSES, HE WILL STEP ASIDE BUT WILL
00:02:37	CONTINUE TO CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATES.
00:02:40	THERE ARE TWO CERTIFIED LIB THERIEN WRITE-IN CANDIDATES IN
00:02:46	THE RACES FOR AUDITOR AND SECRETARY OF STATE.
00:02:49	OHIO SAYS FEWER INMATES THAN EVER ARE GOING TO BACK TO
00:02:52	PRISON AFTER THEY'VE BEEN RELEASED.
00:02:53	STATE PRISONS DIRECTOR GARY MOHR ATTRIBUTES THE DROP TO
00:02:57	COMMUNITY PROGRAMS THAT WORK WITH NEWLY RELEASED INMATES AND
00:03:00	NEW PRISON UNETHATESES PREPARE INMATES FOR LIFE OUTSIDE BARS.
00:03:03	AND MOHR TOLD OUR ANDY CHOW THAT HE ALSO CREDITS MEDICAID
00:03:07	EXPANSION FOR GETTING TREATMENT TO MENTALLY ILL AND ADDICTED
00:03:11	INMATES. >> THE OPPORTUNITY OF MEDICAID
00:03:14	EXPANSION OFFERS, IN MY OPINION, THE GREATEST
00:03:17	OPPORTUNITY FOR POSITIVE CHANGE IN OUR BUSINESS.
00:03:21	IT BASICALLY MEANS THAT WHEN OFFENDERS LEAVE OUR PRISONS, WE
00:03:25	ARE GOING TO SIGN THOSE ELIGIBLE INMATES UP FOR
00:03:28	MEDICAID EXPANSION, AND A MAJORITY OF THEM WILL BE
00:03:31	ELIGIBLE. >> MOHR SAYS A LOWER RECIDIVISM
00:03:33	RATE SAVES THE STATE MONEY, BUT IT ALSO HELPS THE PRISONS
00:03:36	DEPARTMENT AS IT TRIES TO CUT ITS INMATE POPULATION,
00:03:39	CURRENTLY STANDING AT ABOUT 50,500.
00:03:44	AND JOBSOHIO SAID IT HAD A GOOD 2013.
00:03:46	THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE JOB CREATING ENTITY SAYS IT CREATED NEARLY
00:03:49	18,000 JOBS WITH GRANTS, TAX BREAKS, AND OTHER INCENTIVES
00:03:53	THAT ARE FUNDED BY THE STATE'S LIQUOR PROFITS.
00:03:55	AND IT ALSO SAYS IT SAVED 70,000 JOBS IN OHIO.
00:03:59	BUT DEMOCRATS, WHO HAVE BLASTED JOBSOHIO AS BEING CLOAKED IN
00:04:03	SECRECY, SAY THE JOB NUMBERS ARE OVERBLOWN.
00:04:06	LAST WEEK'S STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH IN MEDINA WAS GOVERNOR
00:04:09	JOHN KASICH'S SHORTEST ONE, BUT IT ARGUABLY INCLUDED THE MOST
00:04:13	PROPOSED LEGISLATION AND POLICY CHANGES.
00:04:16	THE GOVERNOR TALKED ABOUT LOWERING THE TOP INCOME TAX
00:04:20	RATE TO BELOW 5%. HE SAID HE WANTED TO PUT $35
00:04:23	MILLION IN NEW TOBACCO SETTLEMENT MONEY INTO PROGRAMS
00:04:26	TO HELP SMOKERS AND TOW BACH OWE USERS QUIT.
00:04:29	HE ASKED LAWMAKERS TO APPROVE SPENDING $10 MILLION IN CASINO
00:04:33	LICENSING FEES ON A MENTORING PROGRAM FOR AT-RISK HIGH SCHOOL
00:04:36	KIDS. HE ARGUED FOR PROMOTING
00:04:38	VOCATIONAL EDUCATION, AND SAID HE WANTS MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
00:04:42	HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO TAKE COLLEGE COURSES FOR CREDIT.
00:04:45	AND KASICH ALSO SAID HE WANTS TO HELP MINORITY COMMUNITIES
00:04:48	AND PEOPLE IN POVERTY. TO GO OVER SOME OF THESE IDEAS
00:04:51	AND TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ELSE WAS AND WAS NOT IN HIS SPEECH, HERE
00:04:55	ARE TWO GUESTS FROM TWO DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
00:04:57	BUT IF YOU WATCH THIS SHOW REGULARLY, THEY ARE FAMILIAR TO
00:04:59	YOU. GREG LAWSON IS A POLICY ANALYST
00:05:01	FOR THE CONSERVATIVE BUCKEYE INSTITUTE, WHICH DESCRIBES
00:05:04	ITSELF AS A FREE-MARKET THINK TANK.
00:05:07	JON HONECK IS WITH THE CENTER FOR COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS, A
00:05:10	PROGRESSIVE-LEANING RESEARCH GROUP DEALING WITH FISCAL,
00:05:13	HEALTH, SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC POLICY.
00:05:14	LET'S START WITH THAT WHOLE LOWER THE TOP INCOME TAX RATE.
00:05:18	WHAT'S THE MAGIC ABOUT THE 5% NUMBER?
00:05:21	I MEAN, WHEN THE TAX CUTS WENT INTO PLACE, IT WAS TRYING TO
00:05:24	GET IT BELOW THE 6% RATE. WHAT'S MAGIC ABOUT 5% AND WHY
00:05:28	WILL THAT CREATE JOBS WHEN LOWERING BELOW THE 6% RATE
00:05:33	DIDN'T? >> WELL, I THINK LOWERING TAX
00:05:34	IN GENERAL, THE GOVERNOR MADE IT CLEAR WHEN HE WAS RUNNING
00:05:37	FOR GOVERNOR THE FIRST TIME OUT THAT HE WANTED TO EVENTUALLY
00:05:39	GET RID OF THE INCOME TAX. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE
00:05:44	WOULD LIKE TO HEAD AND THE 5%, TO SOME EXTENT, I THINK THERE'S
00:05:47	A PUBLIC RELATIONS ASPECT TO IT.
00:05:49	IT'S THE NEXT MARK AS TO WHEN YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE
00:05:52	ABOVE IT SO IT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE CONTINUING THAT PROCESS
00:05:55	OF RATCHETING IT DOWN. AND YOU KNOW, INCOME TAXES, WE
00:06:00	THINK, ARE PROBLEMATIC. WE THINK IT PENALIZES WORK AND
00:06:03	SAVINGS AND IT PENALIZES THE LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS THAT YOU
00:06:06	NEED FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH. AND SO GETTING RID OF THE
00:06:09	INCOME TAX OVER TIME IS SOMETHING WE THINK IS A GOOD
00:06:11	IDEA. THE 5% MARK, YOU KNOW,
00:06:13	EVENTUALLY WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT GO DOWN TO NOTHING.
00:06:15	THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WEIGH STATION, I THINK, ALONG THE WAY
00:06:18	TOWARDS MOVING THINGS IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE SHOULD BE.
00:06:20	AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF LETTING PEOPLE KNOW
00:06:24	LET'S HANG OUT THE SIGN SAYING WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS, WE'RE
00:06:27	GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE IN OHIO THAN WHAT WE'VE
00:06:30	DONE SINCE THE 1970'S IN TERMS OF THE INCOME TAX, AND IT'S
00:06:33	JUST ONE MORE WAY TO BEAT THAT MESSAGE OUT THERE, MAKE SURE
00:06:36	IT'S FRONT AND CENTER FOR BUSINESS CREATORS.
00:06:39	>> JON, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
00:06:40	THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE HEAR FROM GOVERNOR KASICH AND THE
00:06:44	ARGUMENTS TO LOWER THE STATE INCOME TAX Y NOT GET IT BELOW
00:06:47	5%, 3%, GONE? >> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S --
00:06:50	THE GOVERNOR'S VERY SINCERE IN HIS BELIEF.
00:06:53	I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE.
00:06:58	WE HEARD THIS UNDER THE TAFT ADMINISTRATION, THERE'S A 21%
00:07:01	CUT TO THE INCOME TAX. IN THE MOST RECENT BUDGET, WE
00:07:04	HAD MAJOR CUTS TO THE INCOME TAX THAT WILL EVENTUALLY END UP
00:07:08	BEING A 10% RATE CUT. IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE GOT TO
00:07:11	LOOK AT OUR ECONOMIC FUNDAMENTALS HAVEN'T REALLY
00:07:14	IMPROVED THAT MUCH OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
00:07:15	I BROUGHT SOME OF THE JOB NUMBERS WITH ME JUST TO MAKE
00:07:18	SURE I GOT IT RIGHT. SO SINCE JANUARY OF 2000, THE
00:07:23	NATIONAL EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS HAVE GROWN BY ALMOST 5%.
00:07:27	OHIO IS STILL 7.5% BELOW WHERE WE WERE.
00:07:30	SO I'M WONDERING WHAT IS THE DIRECT CONNECTION THAT PEOPLE
00:07:34	ARE SEEING? SO YOU CAN RUN -- YOU CAN'T RUN
00:07:37	THE STATE WITHOUT HAVING A REVENUE FROM AN INCOME TAX.
00:07:39	I THINK, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO
00:07:42	GO, I THINK HE SHOULD BE HONEST WITH PEOPLE AND SAY, YOU'RE
00:07:44	BASICALLY GOING TO HAVE TO DOUBLE THE SALES TAX IN ORDER
00:07:47	TO GET THAT KIND OF REVENUE OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO IT.
00:07:51	AND YOU KNOW, PUT THAT DEBATE OUT THERE, HONESTLY, WITH
00:07:55	PEOPLE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY GET
00:07:56	A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAN THE ONE WE'RE HAVING NOW.
00:07:59	>> NOW, FOR SOME PEOPLE THIS IDEA OF TAXING THE TOP 5% OR
00:08:03	THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS TOP RATE
00:08:06	LOWERING, THERE'S AN IDEA THAT THESE ARE REALLY, REALLY RICH
00:08:09	FOLKS. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SUPER
00:08:10	RICH PEOPLE IN OHIO. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT MAKE
00:08:14	$151,000 A YEAR OR ABOVE THAT. FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT'S NOT A
00:08:17	LOT OF MONEY. WHY NOT LOWER THAT TAX RATE
00:08:20	WHEN THAT'S NOT A BIG INCOME TO BE AT THE TOP PERCENT?
00:08:24	>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT TRENDS IN INCOME AND WEALTH
00:08:27	IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN OHIO THE LAST 10, 20, 30 YEARS, REALLY
00:08:31	THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOP 5%, 10% HAS DONE PRETTY WELL.
00:08:35	THE REST OF THE COUNTRY HAS NOT.
00:08:37	AND SO PART OF THE ISSUE, I THINK, IS THE FAIRNESS OF WHO
00:08:40	ARE YOU GOING TO TAX? PLUS, AS YOU ALLUDED TO, WE'VE
00:08:44	ALREADY HAD THESE CUTS. PART OF THE ARGUMENT AROUND THE
00:08:46	INCOME TAX IS DOES IT REALLY STIFLE INNOVATION?
00:08:51	DOES IT STIFLE INVESTMENT? I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE NUMBERS
00:08:55	NATIONALLY AROUND VENTURE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS IN
00:08:59	HIGH-TECH INDUSTRIES, YOU KNOW, STATE OF CALIFORNIA, WHICH HAS
00:09:02	AN INCOME TAX LEVEL AROUND 12% TO 13% IN THAT TOP RATE, $3.8
00:09:08	BILLION WAS INVESTED IN JUST ONE QUARTER, I BELIEVE.
00:09:12	OHIO'S LEVEL IS LESS THAN 5% OF THAT.
00:09:17	AND YOU CAN LOOK AT OTHER STATES THAT HAVE AN INCOME TAX
00:09:19	THAT ARE GETTING INVESTMENTS, TOO.
00:09:21	SO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GO INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND
00:09:24	SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK THE GOVERNOR
00:09:27	TOUCHED ON SOME OF THOSE IN THE OTHER PARTS OF HIS SPEECH WHERE
00:09:30	HE TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD
00:09:33	BE CONCENTRATING OUR FOCUS. >> LET ME ASK YOU, GREG.
00:09:36	THIS IDEA OF INCOME INEQUALITY. THERE WAS A REPORT OUT LAST
00:09:40	MONTH THAT SAID THAT IT APPEARS TO BE ON THE RISE IN OHIO.
00:09:42	THE TOP 1%, WHICH IS AGAIN I BELIEVE MAKING ABOUT $360,000,
00:09:49	THE AVERAGE THOUGH IS OVER $1 MILLION, THAT TOP 1% SAW INCOME
00:09:52	GROWTH OF 70% BETWEEN 1979 AND 2011.
00:09:56	THE OTHER 99% OF OHIOANS SAW THEIR INCOMES FALL BY 7.7%.
00:10:00	FALL BY. SO WHY -- WHY SHOULD YOU DO AN
00:10:04	INCOME TAX CUT THAT WOULD BENEFIT THESE PEOPLE WHO'VE
00:10:06	ALREADY SEEN SO MUCH? >> SEVERAL POINTS.
00:10:08	FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT REPORT ACTUALLY OVERSTATES THAT
00:10:12	TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. THERE'S A LOT OF NON-- THINGS
00:10:15	AREN'T COUNTED IN THE INCOME THAT'S LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF
00:10:17	WHAT'S TAXABLE STUFF. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE
00:10:20	DO WITH -- WELL, MEDICAID, WITH FOOD STAMPS, WITH SOME OF THAT
00:10:24	STUFF, THOSE AREN'T ALWAYS PUT INTO WHAT'S THE TAXABLE INCOME.
00:10:27	SO A LOT OF THAT'S TAKEN OFF. THERE'S NOT A LOOK AT WHERE
00:10:31	WE'RE TAKING EXISTING REVENUES AND SHIFTING THAT INTO BENEFIT
00:10:34	TYPE PROGRAMS AND STUFF AS WELL.
00:10:36	OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE DIVERGENCE AND NOBODY IS GOING
00:10:39	TO DISPUTE THAT. BUT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT
00:10:42	HOW STARK WE DRAW THE PICTURE. AND THE OTHER THING IS WHAT WE
00:10:44	NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS JOB CREATION.
00:10:47	I THINK JON MENTIONED IT. THE JOB NUMBERS HERE IN OHIO,
00:10:50	OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE SEEN SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THE LAST SEVERAL
00:10:53	YEARS, CERTAINLY BEEN POSITIVE JOB CREATION, YOU KNOW.
00:10:56	IT'S HARD TO SAY HOW BAD THINGS WERE BETWEEN 2000-2010 WHEN WE
00:11:01	LOST CLOSE TO 600,000 PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS.
00:11:03	SO WE'RE CARVING OUT OF THE HOLE BUT WE ARE MORE SLOWLY
00:11:08	THAN WE SHOULD. WE NEED TO TURBOCHARGE THAT.
00:11:10	THE INCOME TAX, IF WE GOT RID OF IT, IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING.
00:11:14	QUITE FRANKLY, SOMETHING THAT NOBODY'S TALKED AS MUCH ABOUT
00:11:17	AS WE NEED TO IS THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE STATE INCOME
00:11:21	TAX. THAT'S PART OF IT.
00:11:22	BUT WE HAVE LOCAL TAXES. AND WE HAVE QUITE A COMPLICATED
00:11:25	ISSUE IN TERMS OF MUNICIPAL INCOME TAXES AND THE COUNTY
00:11:29	PIGGYBACK SALES TAXES. WE NEED TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE
00:11:32	CONVERSATION. THE STATE INCOME TAX IS ONE
00:11:33	PIECE. WE WOULD ARGUE IT'S AN
00:11:35	IMPORTANT PIECE, BUT WE NEED TO ALSO HAVE THESE OTHER
00:11:37	CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THOSE ALSO WEIGH ON THE DECISIONS
00:11:40	THAT ARE THERE. SO AS YOU GET RID OF THE INCOME
00:11:43	TAX AT THE STATE LEVEL, WE STILL HAVE A BURDEN OUT THERE
00:11:46	AND THERE ARE STILL MECHANISMS FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO
00:11:49	GET THE MONEY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
00:11:50	SO I GUESS IN A NUTSHELL, I THINK ALL THIS CONVERSATION ON
00:11:55	INCOME INEQUALITY IS OVERBLOWN. WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT
00:11:57	JOBS. WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT
00:11:59	IMPROVING THE OVERALL ECONOMIC PIE RATHER THAN DIFFIING UP THE
00:12:03	SAME SIZED PIE. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS
00:12:06	INCOME TAX CUT THAT COULD BE OUT THERE, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN
00:12:09	THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL YET. BUT THE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN MADE,
00:12:13	POLICY MATTERS OHIO SAID 60% OF OHIOANS WHO MAKE UNDER 54,000 A
00:12:18	YEAR WOULD RECEIVE LESS THAN A DOLLAR FOR EVERY SEVEN DOLLARS
00:12:21	IN TAX CUTS. WHY PUSH FOR SOMETHING THAT
00:12:24	BENEFITS SO FEW IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS?
00:12:26	>> I ALSO THINK THAT -- I WAS TALKING WITH THE NFIB, NATIONAL
00:12:31	FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS, AND ABOUT THREE
00:12:33	QUARTERS OF THEIR MEMBERS ARE DACKS -- THEY'RE BASICALLY A
00:12:39	TAXED INCOME LEVEL AND NOT PAYING OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESS
00:12:42	TAXES THAT WE WOULD THINK OF AS COMMON BUSINESS TAXES.
00:12:46	THE INCOME TAX IS A BUSINESS TAX AND THAT DOES HAVE AN
00:12:50	IMPACT ON SMALLER BUSINESSES AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO
00:12:52	CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHO'S WEALTHY AND WHO'S
00:12:55	NOT WEALTHY AND WHEN YOU'RE TAXED AT THAT, YOU'RE SPENDING
00:12:59	MONEY ON DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS AS
00:13:01	WELL. SO LET'S BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHEN
00:13:03	WE LUMP ALL OF THIS STUFF TOGETHER, WE'RE NOT ALL TALKING
00:13:08	ABOUT WARREN BUFFETT OR BILL GATES.
00:13:11	WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER TYPES OF PEOPLE AS WELL WHO MAY NOT
00:13:14	CREATE 50 OR 60 JOBS AT ONE POP, BUT MAYBE THEY CREATE FOUR
00:13:18	OR FIVE JOBS. I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF
00:13:21	STUFF THAT GETTING RID OF THE INCOME TAX BEGINS TO MOVE US
00:13:24	TOWARDS BEING ABLE TO GET AT. >> JON, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
00:13:28	ANOTHER THING THE GOVERNOR SAID.
00:13:30	$12 BILLION IN INCOME HAS LEFT THE STATE FOR STATES WITH LOWER
00:13:33	INCOME TAXES SINCE 1995. THAT MONEY THAT COULD BE USED
00:13:36	IN A LOT OF WAYS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, POSSIBLY
00:13:40	CREATE A LOT OF JOBS. WHY NOT LOWER THAT TAX RATE AND
00:13:44	TRY TO CAPTURE SOME OF THAT MONEY AND SHUT THE DOOR ON IT?
00:13:47	>> YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HE WAS ALLUDING TO, YOU KNOW,
00:13:51	MIGRATION AND THAT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE.
00:13:54	I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF SOUTHERN STATES THAT OHIOANS
00:13:56	HAVE MOVED TO THAT DO -- NORTH CAROLINA, MOST OF THE SOUTHERN
00:14:01	STATES ACTUALLY DO HAVE AN INCOME TAX.
00:14:04	PEOPLE TROT OUT THE EXAMPLES OF FLORIDA AND TEXAS AS NOT HAVING
00:14:09	THAT. OHIOANS ALSO MOVE TO OTHER
00:14:10	STATES IN THE MIDWEST. THERE ARE 41 STATES THAT HAVE
00:14:13	AN INCOME TAX. IT'S VERY HARD TO RUN A STATE
00:14:15	WITHOUT AN INCOME TAX. AND GREG ALLUDED TO THE ISSUE
00:14:19	OF OUR COMPLICATED STRUCTURE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL OF CITY INCOME
00:14:23	TAXES AND PROPERTY TAXES. I THINK LARGE PART OF WHAT'S
00:14:26	GOING ON NOW IS YOU SEE THE STATE MAYBE PULL BACK OR
00:14:29	HESITATE TO INVEST IN CERTAIN AREAS IS THAT THE BURDEN SHIFTS
00:14:32	TO, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL -- LOCAL PROPERTY TAX OWNERS OR
00:14:37	LOCAL LEVIES TO FIGURE OUT DO WE WANT TO FUND SCHOOLS?
00:14:41	WE WANT TO FUND CITY OPERATIONS OR THE COUNTIES WOULD HAVE TO
00:14:43	-- ARE RAISING THEIR SALES TAX RATES.
00:14:46	AND WE AGREE. WE DO NEED TO TAKE A
00:14:48	COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THAT, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT
00:14:50	NOW, BY RUSHING INTO MORE TAX CUTS AFTER JUST PASSING A
00:14:55	BUDGET LAST YEAR THAT HAD INCOME TAX CUTS AND A SMALL
00:14:59	BUSINESS DEDUCTION OF 50% OF INCOME, WHICH WAS HUGE, SO
00:15:02	THAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS, WE'RE RUSHING INTO THAT AND
00:15:05	PROBABLY OPENING THE DOOR FOR MORE INEQUALITY OF KIDS WHO ARE
00:15:11	NOT GETTING AN EQUAL EDUCATION DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY LIVE
00:15:15	BECAUSE SCHOOLS ARE NOT BEING FUNDED ADEQUATELY.
00:15:18	SOCIAL SERVICES ARE NOT BEING FUNDED ADEQUATELY IN CERTAIN
00:15:21	PLACES BECAUSE THEY LACK THE TAX CAPACITY AND THEY'RE FORCED
00:15:27	TO MAKE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS.
00:15:28	>> AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SAY THAT CUTTING TAXES, ESPECIALLY
00:15:32	STATE INCOME TAX, ISN'T WORKING TO CREATE JOBS OR TO DO WHAT
00:15:36	NEEDS TO BE DONE, THE BURDEN IS GETTING SHIFTED SOMEWHERE ELSE?
00:15:39	AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SAY THIS IDEA, THIS IDEA ISN'T WORKING?
00:15:47	>> WELL, I WOULD SAY IF YOU LOOK AT -- THERE'S A NUMBER OF
00:15:50	DIFFERENT REPORTS THAT LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED TO STATES AFTER
00:15:52	THEY INTRODUCED INCOME TAXES. AND TYPICALLY STATES AFTER
00:15:55	THEY'VE INTRODUCED THE INCOME TAXES HAVE SEEN THEIR STATE
00:15:59	G.D.P. GROWTH GO DOWN AND THEIR SHARE OF NATIONAL COMPONENT
00:16:03	G.D.P. GO DOWN. SO I THINK THE INCOME TAX HAS
00:16:06	HISTORICALLY BEEN A PROBLEM. WE'VE HAD THE INCOME TAX SINCE
00:16:09	THE 1970'S, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THINGS, OHIO'S HAD A BAD
00:16:13	ECONOMY FOR A LONG TIME. I MEAN, I TROT THIS OUT A LOT
00:16:16	BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY -- WE'VE LOST A THIRD OF OUR
00:16:21	CONGRESSIONAL REPUTATION SINCE THE 1960'S.
00:16:23	WE HAD 24 CONGRESSIONAL SEATS. WE ARE NOT KEEPING PARKSE AND
00:16:26	WE HAVEN'T BEEN KEEPING PACE FOR DECADES.
00:16:28	THIS ISN'T ABOUT GOVERNOR KASICH OR TAFT OR ANYTHING
00:16:31	ELSE. THIS IS GOING BACK TO EVEN
00:16:33	BEFORE JIM RHODES AND GILLIGAN. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LONG-TERM
00:16:38	SYSTEMIC PROBLEM AND THE INCOME TAX CAME IN THE EARLY 1970'S
00:16:42	AND IT WAS BEGINNING OF -- THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE
00:16:44	THINK ARE PROBLEMATIC, TOO. I THINK WE GOT TO GET BACK TO A
00:16:47	STATUS QUO AND WE ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH OTHER TYPES OF
00:16:50	POLICIES. NOBODY IS GOING TO SAY THAT THE
00:16:52	INCOME TAX IS ITSELF ENOUGH TO GET OHIO GOING.
00:16:55	BUT IT IS ONE KEY STEP TO GETTING US BACK ON A PLAYING
00:16:59	FIELD. AND WE LOOK AT FLORIDA, A LOT
00:17:02	OF PEOPLE DO TROT OUT FLORIDA AND TEXAS.
00:17:04	THERE'S A REASON WE LOOK AT TEXAS OUT.
00:17:06	YOU LOOK AT THE JOB NUMBERS IN TEXAS, IT'S AMAZING.
00:17:08	THEY HAVE ENERGY RESOURCES. BUT THEY'RE A RIGHT TO WORK
00:17:11	STATE. THEY HAVE NO INCOME TAX.
00:17:13	THEY HAVE A FRIENDLY REGULATORY POLICY THAT INSENT VISES PEOPLE
00:17:18	TO COME TO THE STATE. THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS
00:17:20	TRYING TO DO. HE HASN'T COME OUT ON CERTAIN
00:17:22	OTHER ISSUES HERE, BUT ON THESE HE'S TRYING TO RECREATE THINGS
00:17:28	WE SEE HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD IN TERMS OF JOB
00:17:31	CREATION. AND FOR A STATE THAT LOST
00:17:35	ALTHOUGH PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS BETWEEN 2000 AND 2010, WE NEED
00:17:39	JOBS. WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT
00:17:40	JOBS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GET INCOME THEIR
00:17:42	POCKETS IN THE FIRST PLACE RATHER THAN NEVER EVEN HAVING A
00:17:44	CHANCE TO GET MONEY AT ALL. >> JON, LET ME TURN THAT
00:17:48	QUESTION BACK TO YOU. AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SAY INCOME
00:17:50	TAX CUTS WORK? THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY'RE
00:17:53	SUPPOSED TO BE DOING? >> WELL, I'VE YET TO SEE IT.
00:17:56	I MEAN, I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE JOB NUMBERS, WE'RE DOWN
00:18:00	7.5% IN OUR JOB NUMBERS SINCE 2000.
00:18:02	WE'RE LAGGING THE NATIONAL ECONOMY OVER THE LAST YEAR.
00:18:07	OUR UNEMPLOYMENT HAS GROWN ABOUT .4% AND THE NATIONAL
00:18:12	ECONOMY IS UP 1.5%. NOT GREAT NUMBERS, BUT --
00:18:16	>> THE STATE'S INCOME TAX SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED?
00:18:20	>> FLORIDA IS NOT DOING TOO WELL.
00:18:23	WE TALK ABOUT NEVADA WAS TROTTED OUT AS A HIGH FLYER
00:18:26	BEFORE THE RECESSION, HAD A BIG HOUSING BOOMING AND THEY JUST
00:18:30	CRASHED. AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT IT
00:18:32	WAS THE CASINO ECONOMY THERE DRIVING THINGS.
00:18:36	IT WASN'T THE PRESENCE OR ABSENCE OF AN INCOME TAX PER
00:18:40	SE. I MEAN F. WE HAD THE OIL
00:18:42	RESOURCES THAT TEXAS HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE IN GREAT SHAPE.
00:18:46	IF YOU LOOK AT A STATE LIKE NORTH DAKOTA, WHICH ACTUALLY
00:18:49	HAS BEEN LOSING POPULATION FOR DECADES UNTIL RECENTLY, BUT NOW
00:18:54	THEY'VE GOT AN OIL BOOM, ALONG WITH AN INCOME TAX.
00:18:57	AND I MIGHT ADD A MUCH HIGHER SEVERANCE TAX THAN WE HAVE, OK?
00:19:01	YOU KNOW, THE OIL IS THERE, AND THE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO GO
00:19:04	TAKE IT OUT OF THE GROUND. AND SO THEY'VE GOT ONE OF THE
00:19:07	LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATES IN THE COUNTRY UP THERE RIGHT NOW,
00:19:09	EVEN THOUGH IT'S -- IT'S HARD TO GET TO AND NO ONE REALLY
00:19:13	WANTS TO LIVE THERE, I THINK. IT'S COLD.
00:19:15	YOU KNOW, BUT THE INCOME TAX IS NOT AN IMPEDIMENT TO THEM.
00:19:19	LOOK AROUND THE MIDWEST. YOU KNOW, MINNESOTA
00:19:22	HISTORICALLY HAS DONE BETTER THAN OHIO FOR 20, 30 YEARS.
00:19:25	YOU KNOW, MUCH COLDER CLIMATE. INCOME TAX RATES THEY'RE NOW
00:19:30	HIGHER THAN OURS. I MEAN, I THINK THE DISCUSSION
00:19:33	NEEDS TO BE AROUND EDUCATION AND WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT AND
00:19:37	SKILLS. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE
00:19:39	GOVERNOR WAS GOING IN PART OF HIS SPEECH, AND I COMMEND HIM
00:19:41	FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK WE NEED
00:19:43	TO SEE INVESTMENT IN THOSE AREAS FOR OHIO TO REALLY GROW
00:19:46	LIKE IT SHOULD. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT NA.
00:19:49	THE GOVERNOR TALKED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM TO SPEND $10 MILLION IN
00:19:53	CASINO LICENSING FEES ON A MENTORING OUTREACH TO AT-RISK
00:19:56	HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. THERE'S ALSO THE MONEY HE
00:19:58	WANTED TO SPEND FOR TOBACCO SETTLEMENT MONEY ON HELPING
00:20:02	SMOKERS QUIT. AND HE TALKED IN VAGUE TERMS
00:20:04	ABOUT PROGRAMS TO HELP PEOPLE IN POVERTY AND MINORITY
00:20:07	COMMUNITIES. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF SOME OF
00:20:11	THE OTHER PROPOSALS THE GOVERNOR TALKED ABOUT?
00:20:13	>> I THINK IT WAS -- I THINK THE DIRECTION HE WAS GOING WAS
00:20:17	GOOD. HE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK, A
00:20:20	MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAD DROPPED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.
00:20:22	AND THAT'S WHERE THE FOCUS SHOULD BE.
00:20:23	YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO ATTRACT, YOU KNOW, A HIGH-TECH
00:20:27	INVESTMENT TO THE STATE OF OHIO WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A WORK
00:20:29	FORCE THAT MAY NOT BE AS HIGHLY SKILLED AS OTHER PLACES.
00:20:43	NOW, AS HE SAID, WE'RE LACKING IN SOME DETAILS.
00:20:45	I KNOW THE GOVERNOR'S CREATED AN OFFICE OF WORK FORCE
00:20:46	TRANSFORMATION TO LOOK AT THE STATE'S VARIOUS WORK FORCE
00:20:47	PROGRAMS AND A COMPLICATED ARRAY OF FEDERAL AND STATE
00:20:49	FUNDING GOING IN THERE. THAT NEEDS TO BE SORTED OUT.
00:20:50	BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO MAKE IT MORE OF
00:20:52	AN INVESTMENT IN SOME OF THESE LOW-SKILLED ADULTS.
00:20:55	THERE IS AN INTERESTING INTERNATIONAL SURVEY DONE
00:20:58	WITHIN THE LAST YEAR THAT RANKED THE UNITED STATES
00:21:00	AGAINST MANY OF OUR INTERNATIONAL COMPETITORS,
00:21:04	ADVANCED COUNTRIES AND LITERACY AND BASIC SKILLS, YOU KNOW, WE
00:21:09	WERE BELOW AVERAGE AS A COUNTRY.
00:21:10	NOT JUST OHIO. BUT WE WERE BELOW AVERAGE AS A
00:21:13	COUNTRY. WE ARE HAVING TO COMPETE WITH,
00:21:16	YOU KNOW, COUNTRIES THAT ARE GOING TO KNOCK OUR SOCKS OFF IF
00:21:18	WE DON'T GET BETTER IN TERMS OF THE SKILLS OF OUR WORK FORCE.
00:21:22	>> TO BE HONEST, I PRETTY MUCH CONCUR WITH WHAT JON SAID.
00:21:26	I THINK THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAID ABOUT THE WORK FORCE
00:21:29	DEVELOPMENT AND BEING ABLE TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF CONNECTIONS.
00:21:31	IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SKILLED WORK FORCE, YOU'RE GOING NO
00:21:34	HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE AS JON PRETTY MUCH ALLUDED TO, I WAS
00:21:37	KIND OF LIKE TO SAY IT THIS WAY, WE'RE NOT COMPETING NEXT
00:21:40	DOOR WITH INDIANA. WE'RE COMPETING WITH INDIA.
00:21:43	WE'RE COMPETING, EVERYBODY KNOWS CHINA.
00:21:45	BUT THESE ARE REAL ISSUES. AND WE DO HAVE A DEFICIT THERE
00:21:48	AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM. THE GOVERNOR DESERVES A LOT OF
00:21:51	CREDIT FOR LOOKING AT. THAT THE COMMUNICATE CONNECTORS
00:21:54	IS WHAT IT'S CALLED, WITH THE CASINO PORTION OF THE MONEY
00:21:57	THAT WAS THE LICENSING FEE, IT'S NOT TAX MONEY.
00:22:00	IT'S NOT G.R.F. THEY'VE ALREADY PUT THAT MONEY
00:22:03	TOWARDS WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE TIED
00:22:06	TOWARDS HAVING MENTORS TO HELP PEOPLE GET INTO THAT.
00:22:11	COMMUNITY RESOURCES, IT MAKES AN AWFUL LOT OF SENSE.
00:22:14	FAITH-BASED COMMUNITY WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL.
00:22:16	I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE VERY POSITIVE IN THAT
00:22:19	BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHTED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF THE
00:22:21	CHILDREN DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL.
00:22:23	WE HAVE ADULTS THAT HAVE DROPPED OUT, THE MILLION
00:22:27	NUMBER. THAT'S A TRAVESTY.
00:22:28	AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOST ALL THESE JOBS.
00:22:31	BUT THERE ARE STILL JOBS OUT THERE.
00:22:33	THAT CAN'T BE FILLED. AND YOU KNOW, YOU GET SOME SOME
00:22:36	OF THE MENTAL HEALTH AND THE DRUG ADDICTION ISSUES THAT THE
00:22:39	GOVERNOR ALSO HAS SPOKEN ABOUT AND DEALT WITH, THAT'S A
00:22:41	PROBLEM, TOO. YOU KNOW, I'VE GONE AROUND TO
00:22:45	LOCAL CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, YOU HAVE BUSINESS ROUNDTABLE
00:22:48	CONVERSATIONS, IT'S INTERESTING HOW IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE
00:22:50	STATE YOU HEAR A FAIRLY COMMON THEME WHICH IS WE HAVE A HARD
00:22:53	TIME SOMETIMES FINDING PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY PASS A DRUG
00:22:57	TEST. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS KIND OF
00:22:58	CRAZY. YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT.
00:23:00	AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT. BUT I'VE HEARD IT MULTIPLE
00:23:03	TIMES FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES IN MULTIPLE SECTIONS
00:23:07	OF THE STATE. THINGS WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS
00:23:09	THAT, THOSE ARE WISE INVESTMENTS IN TERMS OF THAT.
00:23:13	AND I THINK THE GOVERNOR IS MAKING HEADWAY IN THAT.
00:23:16	>> AND FINALLY, ANYTHING YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT MAYBE YOU
00:23:20	MIGHT THINK WOULD COME UP IN THE M.B.R. THAT MAYBE WILL COME
00:23:24	OUT NEXT WEEK? ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO
00:23:26	HEAR ABOUT OR A PREVIEW OF? >> I THINK THE GOVERNOR, I
00:23:30	THINK HE MIGHT HAVE SAID A FEW THINGS ABOUT HIGHER EDUCATION.
00:23:32	THERE'S POSITIVE DEVELOPMENTS THERE.
00:23:35	HE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ASSUMED THAT
00:23:37	THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THE SEVERANCE TAX IN
00:23:40	THERE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MYSTERY THAT IT WILL BE IN
00:23:42	THERE, WHAT THE RATE S. HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
00:23:44	I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE A VERY
00:23:47	INTERESTING DEBATE. IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING DEBATE
00:23:49	FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. GOING TO BE VERY CURIOUS ABOUT
00:23:52	THAT. AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT
00:23:55	ADDITIONAL REFORMS ABOUT MEDICAID.
00:23:57	WE WERE NEVER IN FAVOR OF THE MEDICAID EXPANSION.
00:24:01	BUT NOW WE HAVE TO BEND THE COST CURVE DOWN.
00:24:04	WE NEED TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE ON THAT AS TIME GOES FORWARD.
00:24:08	>> YEAH, I THINK ONE ISSUE THAT WASN'T THERE THAT PROBABLY IS
00:24:11	GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA IS PRESCHOOL EDUCATION.
00:24:13	I THINK WE KNOW IN THE SPRING THAT THE KIDS AROUND OHIO ARE
00:24:16	GOING TO BE TAKING THE THIRD GRADE READING GUARANTEE, AND
00:24:20	UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF DISTRICTS HAVE A
00:24:23	SIZABLE PROPORTION OF THEIR STUDENT POPULATION THAT WILL
00:24:25	NOT PASS. THEY'LL HAVE A SECOND CHANCE IN
00:24:27	THE SUMMER. BUT PART OF THE ANSWER, I
00:24:30	THINK, IS I TALKED WITH PEOPLE AROUND CAPITAL SQUARE, A LOT OF
00:24:33	INTEREST IN THE STATE MAKING A RENEWED INVESTMENT IN PRESCHOOL
00:24:38	EDUCATION TO TRY TO GET PARTICULARLY LOW-INCOME KIDS
00:24:41	READY TO GO TO SCHOOL. YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO WE HAD A
00:24:47	SIZABLE STATE INVESTMENT IN THAT AREA, THAT HAS SINCE, YOU
00:24:51	KNOW, DWINDLED SUBSTANTIALLY. BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME
00:24:54	BIPARTISAN INTEREST IN GOING BACK IN THAT DIRECTION.
00:24:56	AND I THINK THAT'S A HEALTHY WAY TO GO.
00:24:59	BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT AND HAVE SIZABLE TAX CUTS, SO I THINK --
00:25:02	AND SAME THING WITH THE OPIATE ADDICTION, YOU KNOW, THE DRUG
00:25:07	ADDICTION ISSUE THAT GREG ALLUDED TO.
00:25:09	OUR STATE INVESTS VERY LITTLE MONEY IN THAT AREA EVEN THOUGH
00:25:12	WE KNOW IT'S A HUGE STATEWIDE PROBLEM.
00:25:15	AGAIN, THE ISSUE FOR THE LEGISLATORS WILL BE, ARE WE
00:25:17	GOING TO INVEST IN TREATMENT, IN RECOVERY HOUSING OR DO WE
00:25:21	WANT A TAX CUT? AND I'M IN FAVOR OF INVESTING
00:25:24	IN THE HUMAN SERVICES, SO HOPEFULLY ET GOES THAT
00:25:27	DIRECTION. >> ALL RIGHT.
00:25:28	JON HONECK AND GREG LAWSON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING
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