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KAREN: LAWMAKERS COME TOGETHER
00:00:36IN ALMOST TOTAL AGREEMENT TO
PASS A BIG BILL.
00:00:39AND ARGUMENTS IN A TRIO OF CASES
BEFORE THE U.S. SUPREME COURT
00:00:42COULD HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT HERE
IN OHIO.
00:00:43WE WILL LOOK INTO THEM ALL THIS
WEEK ON "THE STATE OF OHIO."
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KAREN: LAWMAKERS DIDN'T LET THE
00:00:57WEATHER KEEP THEM FROM GETTING
TO WORK ON SEVERAL BIG ISSUES
00:00:59THIS WEEK.
THE $7 BILLION TRANSPORTATION
00:01:03BUDGET EASILY CLEARED THE OHIO
HOUSE.
00:01:04THE SPENDING BLUEPRINT LAYS OUT
PRIORITIES FOR HIGHWAY, ROAD,
00:01:10BRIDGE, AND PUBLIC SAFETY
PRIORITIES OVER THE NEXT TWO
00:01:11YEARS, WITH MOST OF THE MONEY TO
PAY FOR THE PROJECTS COMING FROM
00:01:14MOTOR VEHICLE FUEL TAXES AND
FEES, WHICH COME AS WE'VE
00:01:18DISCUSSED ON THIS SHOW, IS A
DIMINISHING RESOURCE.
00:01:20THE FUTURE OF THE GAS TAX WILL
BE EVALUATED BY A STUDY
00:01:24COMMITTEE CREATED BY THE BILL.
DEMOCRATS WANTED TO SEE MORE
00:01:28MONEY DEVOTED TO BRIDGE
MAINTENANCE AND PUBLIC TRANSIT
00:01:29SYSTEMS, BUT THEIR AMENDMENTS
WERE REJECTED.
00:01:30THE OHIO HOUSE ALSO UNION
MINISTERS THIS UNANIMOUSLY
00:01:38APPROVED A BILL EXPANDING THE
AVAILABILITY OF A DRUG OVERDOSE
00:01:39ANTIDOTE CALLED THE LOCKS OWN --
NALOXONE.
00:01:42>> HEROIN AND THE OPIATE
EPIDEMICS HAVE BECOME A MAJOR
00:01:48ISSUE IN OUR STATE.
IT IS NO LONGER JUST A CITY
00:01:50ISSUE.
IT HAS INFILTRATED OUR SUBURBS
00:01:52AND RURAL AREAS.
IN MONTGOMERY ALTHOUGH THE
00:01:55DEATHS FROM OVERDOSE OF YEAR
WHEN HAVE INCREASED FROM 127 IN
00:02:002010 TO 226 IN 2013.
SIMPLY BY EXPANDING ACCESS TO
00:02:06NALOXONE, WE CAN FIGHT THIS
PROBLEM AND SAVE LIVES AND WORK
00:02:11TOWARDS SOLVING THE OPIATE
ADDICTION PROBLEM.
00:02:12KAREN: THE BILL ALSO ALLOWS
PHARMACIES TO DISTRIBUTE THE
00:02:15DRUG WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION, IN
AN EFFORT TO REDUCE THE STATE'S
00:02:17RECORD-HIGH NUMBER OF FATAL
OVERDOSES FROM HEROIN AND
00:02:23PAINKILLERS, WHICH ARE NOW THE
LEADING CAUSE OF ACCIDENTAL
00:02:26DEATH IN OHIO, SURPASSING CAR
CRASHES.
00:02:30THE OHIO SENATE UNANIMOUSLY
PASSED A BILL TO BAR SCHOOLS
00:02:33FROM USING THE RESULTS OF NEW
PROFICIENCY TESTS TO DETERMINE A
00:02:37STUDENT'S ADVANCEMENT TO THE
NEXT GRADE LEVEL.
00:02:38>> WE DID NOT FEEL IT WAS
PARTICULARLY FAIR TO EVALUATE
00:02:44OUR STUDENTS OR OUR TEACHERS OR
OUR SCHOOLS IN THE SAME AND ARE
00:02:45WE HAVE DONE -- SAME MANNER WE
HAVE GOT TO KNOW WITHOUT HAVING
00:02:50A SORT OF TRIAL RUN ON THIS
PARTICULAR EXAM.
00:02:51WITH THIS IN MIND, IN THE 487
MID-BIENNIUM BUDGET, WE PUT A
00:03:02SAFE HARBOR PROVISION IN THAT
REFERRED TO NO TEACHER SHALL BE
00:03:05AFFECTED OR SCHOOLS SHALL BE
AFFECTED BY THE TESTS, BUT WE
00:03:10DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT
ANY IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE ON THE
00:03:14STUDENTS.
IN REALITY, THE STANDARDIZED
00:03:18TEST DO NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON A
STUDENT'S GRADES IN MOST CASES,
00:03:25BUT WE WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS
AND REASSURE PARENTS AND SCHOOLS
00:03:29THAT THIS WAS INDEED THE CASE.
KAREN: IT ALSO ENSURES THAT
00:03:34SCHOOLS DO NOT LOSE STATE AID
FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE NOT TAKING
00:03:36STANDARDIZED TEST SCHOOL YEAR --
THIS SCHOOL YEAR.
00:03:38THE HOUSE PASSED AN EARLIER
VERSION AND MUST AGREE TO THE
00:03:45SENATE'S CHANGES BEFORE THE
MEASURE GOES TO THE GOVERNOR.
00:03:47MEANWHILE, STATE SCHOOL
SUPERINTENDENT RICHARD ROSS SAYS
00:03:52THE STATE WON'T WITHHOLD FUNDING
TO PENALIZE SCHOOLS FOR STUDENTS
00:03:58WHO ARE OPTING OUT OF
STANDARDIZED TEST.
00:03:59A GROWING NUMBER OF PARENTS ARE
LETTING KIDS SKIP MANDATED EXAMS
00:04:05AMID COMPLAINTS THAT NEW TESTING
LINKED TO COMMON CORE STANDARDS
00:04:07ARE TOO TIME-CONSUMING.
BY LAW, THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF
00:04:14EDUCATION IS SUPPOSED TO
WITHHOLD FUNDING FOR STUDENTS
00:04:15WHO DON'T TAKE THE TEST, BUT THE
SUPERINTENDENT ALSO IS ALLOWED
00:04:18TO MAKE A WAIVER FOR SCHOOLS TO
GET THE MONEY.
00:04:19RICHARD ROSS INDICATED THAT IS
WHAT HE WILL DO.
00:04:22TWO NEW AREA CODES ARE COMING IN
OHIO THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
00:04:26THIS WEEK IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT
CENTRAL OHIOANS WILL SEE A NEW
00:04:30380 AREA CODE IN THE 614 AREA
NEXT YEAR, AND PEOPLE IN THE 740
00:04:37AREA CODE WILL GET THE
EXPERIENCE THIS YEAR, AS THE NEW
00:04:40220 AREA CODE IS ADDED STARTING
NEXT MONTH.
00:04:42AND THE HEAD OF THE REPUBLICAN
NATIONAL COMMITTEE SAYS ITS
00:04:43FIRST PRIMARY DEBATE FOR THE
NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WILL
00:04:46BE IN CLEVELAND.
THE RNC PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED
00:04:51PLANS TO HAVE NINE PRIMARY
DEBATES STARTING IN OHIO IN
00:04:54AUGUST.
THE CITY ALSO IS SLATED FOR
00:04:57OTHER BIG VISITS FROM THE
REPUBLICANS DURING THE CANDIDATE
00:05:00SELECTION PROCESS.
IT IS HOSTING THE RNC SUMMER
00:05:01MEETING THIS AUGUST.
GOVERNOR KASICH CAME NO CLOSER
00:05:07TO MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON HIS
PRESIDENTIAL PLANS -- IF HE HAS
00:05:09ANY -- ALTHOUGH HE GOT PUNDITS
TALKING BY TRAVELING TO CAPITOL
00:05:13HILL TO HEAR IS REALLY PRIME
MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU'S
00:05:17ADDRESS TO A JOINT MEETING OF
CONGRESS THIS WEEK.
00:05:19I TALKED WITH KASICH THIS WEEK
ABOUT WHETHER ATTENDING THIS BIG
00:05:20FOREIGN POLICY EVENT WAS A
SIGNAL THAT HE'S MADE UP HIS
00:05:22MIND AND IS RUNNING.
GOVERNOR KASICH: ACTUALLY, THERE
00:05:28ARE SO MANY OTHER PLACES I WOULD
HAVE TO GO -- NO, I WANTED TO GO
00:05:33DOWN THERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT
WAS GOING TO BE TERRIFIC, AND IT
00:05:35TURNED OUT TO BE.
HADN'T BEEN THERE FOR A LONG
00:05:37TIME.
DOESN'T MEAN I MIGHT NOT RUN FOR
00:05:39PRESIDENT.
I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
00:05:41KAREN: THERE IS BEEN SPECULATION
HE WANTED TO GO TO THE SPEECH TO
00:05:49BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH
BIG-MONEY DONORS WHO SUPPORT
00:05:50ISRAEL.
WHILE KASICH STILL WON'T SAY IF
00:05:52HE IS RUNNING, HE DID MENTION
THAT HE IS PLANNING ON DOING
00:05:56MORE TRAVELING SOON, INCLUDING
TO THE POLITICALLY CRITICAL
00:05:59STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE.
THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IS
00:06:01CONSIDERING LIMITS ON THE 10TH
OF EVIDENCE THAT CAN BE USED IN
00:06:04CHILD ABUSE CASES, A MOVE THAT
COULD HAMSTRING PROSECUTORS IN
00:06:07DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TRIALS.
THE JUSTICES THIS WEEK DEBATED
00:06:12WHETHER OUT-OF-COURT STATEMENTS
CHILDREN MAKE TO THEIR TEACHERS
00:06:13ABOUT ABUSE THAT TEACHERS HAVE A
LEGAL DUTY TO REPORT CAN BE USED
00:06:17AS EVIDENCE IF A CHILD IS UNABLE
TO TESTIFY IN PERSON.
00:06:19THE CASE INVOLVES DARIUS CLARK,
A CLEVELAND MAN CONVICTED OF
00:06:23ABUSING HIS GIRLFRIEND'S
THREE-YEAR-OLD SON.
00:06:24CLARK SAYS ALLOWING THE TRIAL
COURT TO CONSIDER SIMMS THE BOY
00:06:28MADE TO TEACHERS DENIED HIM THE
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO CONFRONT
00:06:31HIS ACCUSER.
THE OHIO SUPREME COURT VOTED 4-3
00:06:36TO THROW OUT HIS CONVICTION.
THAT WAS ONE OF THREE CASES
00:06:40BEFORE THE U.S. SUPREME COURT
THIS WEEK THAT HAS MAJOR
00:06:42IMPLICATIONS FOR OHIO.
ANOTHER WAS THE BIG CASE ARGUED
00:06:48WEDNESDAY CHALLENGING WHETHER
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN A
00:06:49SUBSIDIES TO PEOPLE IN STATES
THAT DON'T HAVE STATE CREATED
00:06:52HEALTH INSURANCE MARKET PLACES
SET UP AFTER THE AFFORDABLE CARE
00:06:54ACT, PRESIDENT OBAMA'S LANDMARK
HEALTH INSURANCE LAW.
00:06:57OHIO IS AMONG THE TWO THIRDS OF
STATES THAT JOINED THE FEDERAL
00:07:02GOVERNMENT'S HEALTH INSURANCE
MARKETPLACE, CALLED THE
00:07:06EXCHANGE, RATHER THAN SETTING UP
ITS OWN EXCHANGE WHEN THE A
00:07:07FORMAL CARE ACT PASSED.
IF THE COURT RULES THE SUBSIDIES
00:07:12AREN'T ALLOWED IN STATES USING
THE FEDERAL MARKETPLACE, THAT
00:07:13MEANS SOME 235,000 OHIOANS WHO
GET THEM NOW AND AREN'T ELIGIBLE
00:07:18FOR MEDICAID OR MEDICAID
EXPANSION COULD LOSE THEIR
00:07:20HEALTH INSURANCE.
MAURICE THOMPSON IS WITH THE TEA
00:07:22PARTY BACKED 1851 CENTER FOR
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW HAS LONG
00:07:29OPPOSED THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT,
WHICH HE AND OTHERS CALL
00:07:30OBAMACARE.
I TALKED WITH THOMPSON THIS
00:07:32WEEK.
HE SAYS IF THAT RULING HAPPENS,
00:07:36ANOTHER SOLUTION WOULD HAVE TO
BE FOUND, BECAUSE HE SAYS THE
00:07:40HEALTH CARE FREEDOM AMENDMENT
THAT OHIO VOTERS APPROVED IN
00:07:432011 WOULD PROHIBIT THE STATE
FROM SETTING UP ITS OWN ALL THE
00:07:44DRUGS EXCHANGE.
DUTCH HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE.
00:07:47--HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE.
MAURICE: PEOPLE THINK OF AN
00:07:53EXTENT IS JUST TRAVELOCITY OR
EXPEDIA BUT FOR HEALTH CARE AND
00:07:57THAT IS WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO
BE.
00:07:58BUT OBAMACARE REQUIRES A NUMBER
OF THINGS TO HAVE THE EXCHANGE.
00:08:00YOU HAVE TO ENFORCE THE
INDIVIDUAL MANDATE BUT THE STATE
00:08:06IS PROHIBITED FROM USING STATE
RESOURCES TO DO THAT.
00:08:07YOU HAVE TO ENFORCE THE EMPLOYER
MANDATE, IN OTHER WORDS, FINE
00:08:14EMPLOYERS $300 PER EMPLOYEE.
THAT IS CLEARLY FORBIDDEN BY THE
00:08:17AMENDMENT TO THIRD, IT WOULD
HAVE TO PAY WITH FEES AND
00:08:24ASSESSMENTS ON OHIOANS.
EACH OF THOSE THINGS ARE
00:08:27PROHIBITED COMES UP THERE IS
BASICALLY NO WAY OHIO CAN SET UP
00:08:30A STATE-BASED EXCHANGE.
THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS IT CAN
00:08:34DO BUT AT LEAST THE STATE-BASED
OBAMACARE CHANGE AS THE LAW
00:08:37CURRENTLY READS IS FORBIDDEN IN
OHIO.
00:08:38KAREN: BUT TWO DEMOCRATIC STATE
LAWMAKERS SAY THEY'RE READY WITH
00:08:43A BILL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE
STATE TO CREATE AN EXCHANGE IF
00:08:46NECESSARY.
AND REPRESENTATIVES MICHAEL
00:08:50STINZIANO OF COLUMBUS AND NICKY
ANTONIO OF LAKEWOOD SAY THAT
00:08:52BECAUSE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT
WOULD STILL STAND EVEN IF THE
00:08:55SUBSIDIES ARE STRUCK DOWN, THE
HEALTH CARE FREEDOM AMENDMENT IS
00:08:59MEANINGLESS IN THE FACE OF
FEDERAL LEGISLATION.
00:09:00>> NO, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK
THAT LANGUAGE AS WE KNOW DOESN'T
00:09:05CARRY ANY MERIT.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SUPREMACY
00:09:08CLAUSE PREEMPTS STATE LAW, AND
SO THIS WAS CREATED, THE AFFORD
00:09:14WILL ACT, AS THE LAW OF THE LAND
.
00:09:16THAT IS NOT WHAT IS BEING
QUESTIONED IN THE KING VERSUS
00:09:18BURWELL CASE.
IT IS THE PROVISION OF WHETHER
00:09:23INDIVIDUALS CAN RECEIVE
SUBSIDIES THROUGH A FEDERAL
00:09:25EXCHANGE.
THAT LANGUAGE ESTABLISHED BY THE
00:09:26STATE IS WHAT MERITS THE CASE.
WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT BECAUSE OF
00:09:32THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE, WADDLING
WHICH IS IN THE CONSTITUTION, IT
00:09:37WON'T CARRY ADDITIONAL WEIGHT.
>> WE TRULY HOPE THAT THERE WILL
00:09:41BE A FAVORABLE RULING BY THE
COURT THAT WOULD RULE IN FAVOR
00:09:50OF ALLOWING FOLKS TO HAVE THEIR
SUBSIDIES THROUGH THE FEDERAL
00:09:52EXCHANGE.
AT THE SAME TIME, AS
00:09:57REPRESENTATIVE STINZIANO
POINTED OUT, IT IS NOT A NEW
00:10:05IDEA TO HAVE THE STATE CREATE
THEIR OWN STATE EXCHANGE TO
00:10:07TAILOR IT TO THE NEEDS OF
OHIOANS.
00:10:09KAREN: ALTHOUGH FEW IF ANY
REPUBLICANS LIKE THE IDEA OF A
00:10:14STATE-RUN EXCHANGE, REPUBLICAN
HOUSE SPEAKER CLIFF ROSENBERGER
00:10:16OF CLARKSVILLE SAYS HE AND OTHER
LAWMAKERS ARE CONSIDERING THE
00:10:20OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO OHIO.
GOVERNOR KASICH HAS SAID "IF THE
00:10:23COURT MAKES A DECISION THESE
EXCHANGES GETS SHUT DOWN, WE
00:10:28WILL HAVE TO FIGURE SELLING OUT
IN OHIO.
00:10:29U.S. SUPREME COURT ISN'T
EXPECTED TO ISSUE A RULING IN
00:10:36THAT CASE, KING VERSUS BURWELL,
UNTIL JUNE COULD THIS WEEK THE
00:10:39U.S. SUPREME COURT HEARD
ARGUMENTS ON REDISTRICTING AND
00:10:44AGAIN THE EVENTUAL RULING COULD
HAVE AN EFFECT ON OHIO.
00:10:45EACH CASE OUT OF ARIZONA SEEKS
TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF
00:10:49WHETHER A COMMISSION CAP DRAW
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT LINES OR
00:10:55IF ELECTED LAWMAKERS ARE THE
ONLY ONES WHO CAN CREATE THE
00:10:57MAPS.
AS OHIO LAWMAKERS WAITED ON THE
00:11:00OUTCOME OF THE CASE, THEY PASSED
A REDISTRICTING CHANGE DOING THE
00:11:02LAME-DUCK SESSION IN DECEMBER
THAT GOES TO VOTERS THIS FALL.
00:11:06IF IT PASSES, A SEVEN-MEMBER
PANEL OF THE GOVERNOR, AUDITOR,
00:11:11SECRETARY OF STATE, AND FOUR
APPOINTED STATE LAWMAKERS WOULD
00:11:15DRAW THE LINES FOR STATE
LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS COULD THEY
00:11:17DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES IN THE
CONGRESSIONAL REMAPPING PROCESS
00:11:20WHILE WAITING FOR THE RULING IN
THE ARIZONA CASE.
00:11:23I'M JOINED BY TWO LAWMAKERS WHO
ARE EXPERTS IN THE COMPLICATED
00:11:28SUBJECT OF REDISTRICTING, WHICH
CAN SOUND BORING AND TECHNICAL
00:11:29BUT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN
WHAT HAPPENS HERE IN THE STATE
00:11:31HOUSE.
SENATOR FRANK LAROSE IS A
00:11:34REPUBLICAN IN SUMMIT COUNTY.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE CURTIN
00:11:39IS A DEMOCRAT FROM ON THIS.
WE WERE HERE IN CLEVELAND
00:11:42DISCUSSING THE REDISTRICTING
ISSUE.
00:11:46IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS MORE
MOMENTUM HERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE
00:11:48THE ARIZONA CASE AND THIS BILL
THAT -- THIS RESOLUTION THAT
00:11:51PASSED IN DECEMBER.
LET ME ASK YOU BOTH -- SENATOR
00:11:55LAROSE, YOU DESCRIBE THE ARIZONA
CASE AS A SLEEPER CASE, THE CASE
00:12:02THAT IS NOT GETTING ATTENTION
BUT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
00:12:04SEN. LAROSE: SO MUCH ATTENTION
IS FOCUSED ON THE OUTCOME OF THE
00:12:11CASE THAT SOME SACRED -- SOME
SACRED DECIDE THE FUTURE OF THE
00:12:15A FORMAL CARE ACT.
SOME OF US THAT CARE DEEPLY
00:12:19ABOUT THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS
HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE ORAL
00:12:21ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ON
MONDAY, THAT IS THE ARIZONA
00:12:23CASE.
KAREN: LET ME ASK YOU,
00:12:25REPRESENTATIVE CURTIN, THERE WAS
A MAN WITH A LIBERAL LEANING
00:12:30THINK TANK, COMMON CAUSE, WHO
SAYS WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE COULD
00:12:34BE LIKE PUTTING THE FOX IS BACK
IN THE HANDOUTS IN TERMS OF WHO
00:12:36IS IN CHARGE OF DRAWING THIS AND
HOW YOU WALK AWAY FROM
00:12:39GERRYMANDERING IF LAWMAKERS ARE
DRIVING CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT
00:12:43MAPS.
REP. CURTIN: WELL, IT IS A
00:12:49CONCERN.
I DON'T THINK UNTIL THIS CASE
00:12:50AROSE OUT OF ARIZONA THAT THERE
WAS THAT MUCH LEGAL QUESTIONING
00:12:52ABOUT THE ABILITY OF STATES AND
STATE VOTERS TO PUT THIS IN THE
00:12:57HANDS OF THE PEOPLE.
THIS CASE HAS ATTRACTED WIDE
00:13:09ATTENTION AMONG ACADEMICS AND
JOURNALISTS AND PEOPLE WHO
00:13:10FOLLOW THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT
WOULD UPSET THE APPLE CART IF
00:13:11THE SUPREME COURT RULES THAT THE
VOTERS CANNOT AMEND THEIR OWN
00:13:14STATE CONSTITUTION TO CREATE AN
INDEPENDENT COMMISSION TO DRAW
00:13:18CONGRESSIONAL LINES.
I AM NOT A WORRYWART ABOUT IT.
00:13:21IF THE SUPREME COURT DOES
OVERTURN THE ARIZONA CITIZENS
00:13:27INITIATIVE, BECAUSE THE
POLITICAL PRESSURE WILL CONTINUE
00:13:31TO BUILD FOR FIA -- FAIR LINES,
IMPARTIAL MECHANISMS.
00:13:42EVEN IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, THIS
MOMENTUM TO GET FAIR, COHERENT
00:13:43DISTRICTS IS ON THE MOVE AND
WILL BE STOPPED.
00:13:46-- WON'T BE STOPPED.
KAREN: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
00:13:52MOVE IN DECEMBER, SENATOR LAROSE
.
00:13:55IT KIND OF CAME OUT OF NOWHERE
AND WAS ONE OF MANY BILLS THAT
00:13:58CAME FORWARD IN DECEMBER.
IT HAD MOMENTUM AND HOUSE BUT
00:14:02PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED EIGHT HAD
MOMENTUM IN THE SENATE.
00:14:04WHAT HAPPENED IN THE SENATE THAT
GOT THIS FORWARD?
00:14:06SEN. LAROSE: THE SENATE HAD BEEN
TALKING ABOUT REDISTRICTING FOR
00:14:11FIVE YEARS AND HAD REPEATEDLY
PASSED RESOLUTIONS TO CHANGE THE
00:14:14PROCESS, AND THEY HAD ALL SEEMED
TO STALL IN THE HOUSE.
00:14:18UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND
REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP COME THOSE
00:14:21INITIATIVES HAD STALLED IN THE
HOUSE.
00:14:23WE WERE GLAD TO SEE THE HOUSE
TAKE AN INTEREST IN IT UNDER THE
00:14:25LEADERSHIP OF REPRESENTATIVE
HOFFMAN AND REPRESENTATIVE
00:14:28SITES.
AND AS THAT CAME TOGETHER AND
00:14:31WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE
HOUSE, WE SAW THIS AS AN
00:14:34OPPORTUNITY.
AN OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY PUT
00:14:37THE QUESTION BEFORE THE VOTERS
TO IMPROVE THE WAY WE DRAW STATE
00:14:40LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE CONVERSATION
00:14:44CONTINUES AS IT RELATES TO
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS, BUT
00:14:46THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO
DELAY ANY FURTHER.
00:14:48WE HAD AN ALL-NIGHT SESSION, AS
YOU RECALL -- 4:00 A.M., WE ALL
00:14:58HAD BAGS UNDER OUR EYES.
BUT THE PEOPLE OF OHIO WORKED
00:15:03LONG HOURS AND THEY SHOULD
EXPECT LAWMAKERS TO DO THE SAME,
00:15:05PARTICULARLY ON SUBBING AS
IMPORTANT AS THIS.
00:15:07WE CAN TOGETHER AS REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS TO GET SUBBING
00:15:11DONE THAT I'VE SAID REPEATEDLY
IS NOT GOOD FOR THE DEMOCRATIC
00:15:13PARTY OR REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT
FOR THE PEOPLE OF OHIO, AND I
00:15:16HOPE WE APPROVE IT ON THE
NOVEMBER BALLOT.
00:15:19WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING AND
00:15:23A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON THIS
ARIZONA CASE.
00:15:25KAREN: REPRESENTATIVE CURTIN,
YOU AND REPRESENTATIVE KATHLEEN
00:15:29CLYDE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A BILL
THAT WOULD PIGGYBACK ON THE
00:15:32CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE
STATE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT LINES
00:15:34BACK IN DECEMBER.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU
00:15:36HOPE TO GET ON THE FALL BALLOT,
AND I CORRECT?
00:15:38REP. CURTIN: YES, WE HAVE HIGH
HOPES FOR THAT --
00:15:43KAREN: IF THE SUPREME COURT
RULES IN JUNE, IS THERE ENOUGH
00:15:47TIME TO GET IT ON THE BALLOT?
REP. CURTIN: YES, THERE IS
00:15:50ENOUGH TIME SHOULD YOU STILL
HAVE THE AUGUST FILING DEADLINE
00:15:54TO GET IT ON THE NOVEMBER
BALLOT.
00:15:55DO WE EXPECT THE
REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED HOUSE AND
00:15:58SENATE TO MOVE ON THE
RESOLUTION?
00:15:59NO, BUT WE THINK IT IS IMPORTANT
TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING
00:16:04TO HAVE THE VEHICLE OUT THERE
THAT PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON.
00:16:06IT ONLY TAKES ONE GLANCE AT OUR
16 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS FOR
00:16:10MOST PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT THE
IRRATIONAL, ABSURD --
00:16:14KAREN: LET'S PUT THE MAP UP
THERE OF ALL THE 16
00:16:19CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS IN OHIO.
REP. CURTIN: EVERYWHERE I GO,
00:16:25EVERYWHERE SENATOR LAROSE GOES
COME WHEN YOU SHOW PEOPLE THE
00:16:26MAPS, THEY HAVE THE REACTION YOU
EXPECT THEM TO HAVE -- THOSE
00:16:28MAKE NO SENSE.
SEN. LAROSE: IF LAKEFRONT
00:16:32EROSION GETS TOO BAD, THE NINTH
DISTRICT, IT COULD CUT IT IN
00:16:36HALF.
KAREN: THE SNAKE ON THE LAKE.
00:16:37REP. CURTIN: WE HAVE INTRODUCED
A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD SADLY
00:16:42CALL FOR US TO HAVE THE SAME
PROCESS FOR REFORMING
00:16:43CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING --
SIMPLY CALL FOR US TO HAVE THE
00:16:47SAME PROCESS FOR REFORMING
CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING THAT
00:16:52WE HAVE FOR STATE LEGISLATIVE
DISTRICTS.
00:16:53ONE REASON I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT
EITHER THE U.S. SUPREME COURT
00:16:58OVERTURNS THE ARIZONA PLAN IS
THAT I AM CONFIDENT THAT THIS
00:17:01NOVEMBER OHIOANS ARE GOING TO
VOTE OVERWHELMINGLY TO APPROVE
00:17:05THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CLEAN
UP REAPPORTIONMENT.
00:17:07ONCE LEGISLATORS HERE IN
COLUMBUS SEE THE RATIO BY WHICH
00:17:10THAT PLAN PASSES, THE PRESSURE
WILL BE ON -- JUST BE INCREASING
00:17:18TO DO THE SAME THING FOR
CONGRESSIONAL REDISTRICTING.
00:17:20WE WANT TO KEEP THIS IN THE
FOREFRONT, KEY PEOPLE'S EYES
00:17:23FOCUSED ON IT, AND HOPEFULLY
JUST GET A HEARING OR TWO, BUT
00:17:28KEEP THE PRESSURE UP.
KAREN: SENATOR LAROSE, YOU HAVE
00:17:33A BILL THAT WOULD CREATE AN
INDEPENDENT COMMISSION TO DRAW
00:17:35THESE LINES BUT STATE
LEGISLATORS WOULD STILL VOTE ON
00:17:36THEM.
YOU FEEL THAT WOULD GO IN LINE
00:17:38WITH THE ARIZONA CASE IF THEY
RULE THAT STATE LAWMAKERS DO
00:17:42HAVE TO DRAW --
SEN. LAROSE: THAT IS THE
00:17:45CONCEPT.
MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE SENATOR
00:17:48SAWYER AND I CONTINUE TO WORK
CLOSELY ON THIS.
00:17:50KAREN: A DEMOCRAT.
SEN. LAROSE: ABSOLUTELY.
00:17:55A BIPARTISAN EFFORT AS IT HAS
BEEN FOR FIVE YEARS.
00:17:57HE HAS BEEN, AS ARE PRESENTED TO
CURTIN HAS, THOMAS BEEN WORKING
00:18:00ON THIS BEFORE I WAS INVOLVED
IN THE PROCESS.
00:18:05ONE CONCEPT IS DEPENDING ON HOW
BROAD THE COURT DECISION IS IN
00:18:11THE ARIZONA CASE, ONE OPTION
MIGHT BE TOO STILL LEAVE
00:18:18THE SEVEN-MEMBER COMMISSION TO
DRAW THE LINES BUT LET THE
00:18:23LEGISLATURE AT THE LAST STEP OF
RATIFYING THOSE, OR NOT.
00:18:25BUT NOT GIVING THE LEGISLATURE
THE ABILITY TO DRAW LINES BUT TO
00:18:30APPROVE A PLAN THAT COMES FROM
THE COMMISSION.
00:18:31JUST A CONCEPT.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW BROAD THE
00:18:36DECISION IS R-ARIZONA.
WE ARE -- IS FROM ARIZONA.
00:18:39WE ARE WATCHING IT CAREFULLY.
AND I HOLD OUT HOPE, TO, THAT WE
00:18:43GET SOMETHING DONE.
2015 IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
00:18:462016 IS THE PRESIDENTIAL YEAR
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SAME
00:18:52PROBLEM WE HAD SIX YEARS AGO,
WHERE ONE SITE OR THE OTHER
00:18:55MAKES THE COMPILATION -- MAKES
THE CALCULATION AND IT COULD
00:19:02SCUTTLE THE PROCESS.
KAREN: WOULD IT GIVE AND APPLIED
00:19:05TO THE MINORITY TO GET THE
MINORITY TO GO ALONG WITH IT?
00:19:08REP. CURTIN: I SUPPORT THE
SENATOR LAROSE AND SENATOR
00:19:13SAWYER PLAN.
THE PRINCIPLES IN BOTH PLANS ARE
00:19:17ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.
WHETHER AN INDEPENDENT
00:19:21COMMISSION OR WHETHER THE
LEGISLATURE HAVE THE POWER OF
00:19:24THE PAN OR THE POWER OF THE
PENCIL OR THE POWER OF THE
00:19:26CRAYON, THE PRINCIPLES WOULD BE
THE SAME.
00:19:30THAT IS, WE DON'T UNNECESSARILY
BREAK POLITICAL JURISDICTIONS.
00:19:34WE DON'T BREAK UP TOWN SOME WE
DON'T BREAK UP CITIES, WE DON'T
00:19:36BREAK UP TOWNSHIPS, UNLESS WE
ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.
00:19:39WHAT WE DO NOW IS IN HUNDREDS
AND HUNDREDS OF CASES, WE BREAK
00:19:46THEM UP FOR PARTISAN REASONS
ONLY.
00:19:48THAT IS WHERE YOU GET THE MAP WE
SHOW YOUR VIEWERS.
00:19:51KAREN: SENATOR LAROSE, YOU SAY
UF FIVE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
00:19:56REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT.
SEN. LAROSE: 350,000 OHIOANS I
00:19:59SERVE IN THE SENATE HAVE FIVE
DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.
00:20:01THAT SHOWS YOU HOW EXTREME OUR
MAP-DRAWING HAS BECOME IN THE
00:20:06STATE OF OHIO.
NOT JUST OHIO, ALL OVER THE
00:20:09COUNTRY.
KAREN: IT IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES
00:20:11THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT,
EVERYBODY AGREES IT NEEDS TO BE
00:20:15CHANGED, AND YET HE DOESN'T SEEM
LIKE A LOT OF CHANGE HAPPENS ON
00:20:18THIS.
WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW -- YOU
00:20:22FEEL LIKE THERE IS MOMENTUM TO
MAKE THIS CHANGE?
00:20:23SEN. LAROSE: IT IS A BIG ISSUE
WITH THE CONSEQUENCES ON BOTH
00:20:33SIDES ARE HIGHLY ENGAGED IN THE
CONVERSATION, BUT WE HAVE MADE
00:20:35PROGRESS.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE DID IN
00:20:37DECEMBER, THAT WAS HISTORIC.
THE FACT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO
00:20:40GET BIPARTISAN COMPROMISE TO
ADVANCE THE PROPOSAL TO THE
00:20:42VOTERS AND CHANGE THE WAY WE
DECIDED LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS IS
00:20:47HISTORICALLY THE CONVERSATION
CONTINUES ON HOW WE DO
00:20:49CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.
I'M NOT GIVING UP ON THIS.
00:20:51I KNOW REPRESENTATIVE CURTIN IS
NOT TO I KNOW SENATOR SAWYER IS
00:20:56NOT.
AS LONG AS WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT
00:20:59IT AND OUR EDITORIAL BOARDS KEEP
TALKING ABOUT IT AND ACADEMIA
00:21:01KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IT, WE CAN
GET CHANGE.
00:21:04REP. CURTIN: THIS IS AN HISTORIC
MOMENT FOR OHIO.
00:21:08GERRYMANDERING HAS BEEN A
PLAGUE IN MOST STATES SINCE THE
00:21:13FOUNDING OF THE REPUBLIC.
JOHN ADAMS, WHEN HE WAS DRAFTING
00:21:16THE CONSTITUTION OF
MASSACHUSETTS IN 1980, WARNED
00:21:19ABOUT GERRYMANDERING, THE
CONSEQUENCES OF GERRYMANDERING.
00:21:21BUT IT IS LIKE A DRUG.
POWER IS ADDICTIVE, AND WHEN
00:21:24PEOPLE HAVE THE POWER TO DRAW
LINES, THEY USE IT AND THEY HAVE
00:21:31USE IT, AND THEY HAVE ESPECIALLY
ABUSE DID IN THIS ERA OF
00:21:33COMPUTER MAPMAKING, BECAUSE WE
CAN BE SO PRECISE WITH IT.
00:21:36GERRYMANDERING IS WORSE NOW THAN
IT HAS EVER BEEN IN OUR HISTORY,
00:21:42AND THAT IS SAYING SOMETHING.
BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THE
00:21:45CONSEQUENCES OF THIS, WE ARE
GETTING THE MOMENTUM TO FIX IT.
00:21:48KAREN: BUT SENATOR LAROSE, THE
ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE THAT
00:21:53REPUBLICANS COULD LOSE A LOT
HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A SUPER
00:21:56MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.
WHAT DO THEY STAND TO GAIN FROM
00:21:58THIS?
SEN. LAROSE: I DON'T CARE WHAT
00:22:02IS GOOD FOR ONE PARTY OR
ANOTHER.
00:22:03MAYBE I AM AN OUTLIER ON THAT,
BUT THIS IS WHAT IS RIGHT FOR
00:22:06OHIO.
I WOULD SAY THAT I AM CONFIDENT
00:22:12THAT MY PARTY WILL WIN ELECTIONS
BASED ON OUR IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS
00:22:15FOR GOVERNMENT AND NOT ON HOW WE
DRAW MAPS.
00:22:16THAT IS A SUSTAINABLE WAY FOR A
PARTY TO CONTINUE WINNING
00:22:19ELECTIONS.
THAT IS HOW I WANT TO SEE US DO
00:22:21IT.
WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE BALANCED
00:22:26PROCESS FOR DRAWING MAPS IN THE
STATE, AND IT IS PERHAPS TOUGH
00:22:27LOVE MY OWN PARTY.
BUT WE HAVE CONTROL THE PROCESS
00:22:31THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES.
WHO KNOWS WHAT TONY 21 -- WHO
00:22:37KNOWS WHAT 2021 HOLDS?
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL LOOK
00:22:41LIKE IN 2021.
THE PROGNOSTICATORS HAVE NOT
00:22:46FIGURED THAT OUT YET.
WE CAN BE HONEST BROKERS OF THE
00:22:48TABLE AND REFORM THE PROCESS.
KAREN: THE FLIP SIDE TO THE
00:22:51QUESTION I ASKED THE SENATOR
LAROSE IS, REPRESENTATIVE
00:22:53CURTIN, YOU COULD SAY THAT
DEMOCRATS ARE ANGRY AND THEY ARE
00:22:57SO MUCH IN THE MINORITY AND THEY
WANT TO FLIP THE SYSTEM TO GET
00:22:59MORE POWER.
OF COURSE THEY ARE PUSHING FOR
00:23:00THIS.
REP. CURTIN: OHIO IS A SWING
00:23:04STATE, IT HAS BEEN A SWING STATE
THROUGHOUT MODERN HISTORY,
00:23:09BASICALLY SINCE THE INDUSTRIAL
REVOLUTION.
00:23:10THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO DRIVE
ELECTIONS.
00:23:11THE ECONOMY HAS ALWAYS DRIVEN
ELECTIONS.
00:23:13THE R'S AND D'S RECOGNIZED THAT
THERE WILL BE A MAJORITY PARTY
00:23:22AND A MINORITY PARTY.
FAIR DISTRICTS HELPS EVERYONE IN
00:23:26THE LONG RUN, QUITE FRIENDLY.
FAIR DISTRICTS KEEPS THE
00:23:30LEGISLATURE MORE MODERATE AND
LESS EXTREME.
00:23:31I THINK THE CENTER NEEDS TO
HOLD, AND PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT
00:23:34THE CENTER HOLDING AND CARE
ABOUT MODERATION AND CARE ABOUT
00:23:37COMPROMISE, WHICH IS THE ART OF
POLITICS, ARE FOR THIS.
00:23:39I CREDIT SENATOR LAROSE.
HE HAS BEEN WORKING AT THIS HARD
00:23:44FOR A LONG TIME.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
00:23:47WORKING ON IT FOR A LONG TIME.
WE HAVE A MOMENT WITH AN
00:23:52HISTORIC OPPORTUNITY.
WE NEEDED TO PASS THIS BIG
00:23:54BECAUSE THE BIG, BIGGER ISSUE OF
VICTORY SENDS A MESSAGE THAT A
00:23:58POLITICIAN CAN'T IGNORE.
SEN. LAROSE: PARTISANS ARE GOING
00:24:05TO ROLL MARBLES UNDER OUR FEET
ON BOTH SIDES.
00:24:06WE CAN'T LET THAT WORRY US.
WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD TO
00:24:10REFORM THIS PROCESS.
IT IS WHAT IS IN THE BEST
00:24:15INTEREST TO MY PARTY AND I
BELIEVE YOUR PARTY BUT MOST
00:24:16POINTEDLY, THE BEST INTEREST OF
THE STATE OF OHIO TO HAVE A MORE
00:24:19BALANCED PROCESS.
KAREN: THAT IS MY LAST QUESTION
00:24:24REP. CURTIN: TO YOU, THE
ARGUMENT TO PEOPLE WHO SAYS THAT
00:24:25THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH 99
MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND 33
00:24:27MEMBERS OF THE SENATE.
THIS IS POTENTIALLY STATE POLICY
00:24:31AND THE DECISIONS YOU FOLKS MAKE
TOGETHER.
00:24:32SEN. LAROSE: THE WAY WE CRAFT
DISTRICTS RIGHT NOW CAUSE IS
00:24:40THERE TO BE MORE PARTISAN
ENVIRONMENT THEN THERE NEEDS TO
00:24:42BE.
I SERVED WITH GREAT PEOPLE,
00:24:44REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN THE
HOUSE AND SENATE, BUT THE
00:24:47MAJORITY OF THEM COME FROM
DISTRICTS WHERE YOU WILL NEVER
00:24:49HAVE A GENERAL ELECTION.
YOU HAVE A PRIMARY, AND BY THE
00:24:53NATURE OF THAT YOU ARE PUSHED TO
THE RIGHT AND TO THE LEFT TO
00:24:55SURVIVE YOUR PRIMARY.
THAT IS NOT LEAD TO GOOD
00:25:00STATEMENT SHOULD WORK GOVERNING.
REP. CURTIN: THIS IS ABOUT
00:25:03HONORING VOTERS.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE I LIVE,
00:25:10MORE OF A SPLIT.
THE SAME SCHOOL DISTRICT, SAME
00:25:14MUNICIPAL SERVICES, SAME PARKS
DISTRICT, SAME EVERYTHING.
00:25:18YET OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE MAPS
SPLIT THEM.
00:25:21NOBODY WHO CARES ABOUT THAT
COMMUNITY WOULD SPLIT IT.
00:25:27IT WAS DONE FOR ONE REASON ONLY,
PARTISAN ADVANTAGE, AND WHAT
00:25:31HAPPENED TO GRANDVIEW AND MOBILE
CLIFF HAPPENED AT 250 OTHER
00:25:33TIMES ACROSS THE STATE IN THE
CURRENT MAP.
00:25:35THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO FIX,
BECAUSE IT ABUSES PEOPLE.
00:25:39KAREN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
BEING HERE.
00:25:42BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT ON AN
ISSUE.
00:25:43AND THAT IS IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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