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ANDY: AFTER MONTHS OF
00:00:28SPECULATION, GOV. JOHN KASICH
OFFICIALLY THROWS HIS NAME INTO
00:00:31THE RING OF PRESIDENTIAL
HOPEFULS VYING FOR THE
00:00:33REPUBLICAN NOMINATION.
AND TWO POLITICAL EXPERTS
00:00:39ANALYZE KASICH'S CHANCES IN A
HUGE FIELD OF GOP CANDIDATES.
00:00:42ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO".
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GOV. KASICH: I AM HERE TO ASK
00:00:56YOU FOR YOUR PRAYERS, FOR YOUR
SUPPORT, FOR YOUR EFFORTS
00:01:04BECAUSE I HAVE DECIDED TO RUN
FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
00:01:05STATES.
ANDY: AND JUST LIKE THAT, GOV.
00:01:08JOHN KASICH BECAME THE 16TH
CANDIDATE TO JOIN THE RACE FOR
00:01:10THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL
NOMINATION.
00:01:13WE WERE THERE TO SEE THE
GOVERNOR'S BIG ANNOUNCEMENT AND
00:01:16CATCH THE REACTION FROM HIS
ALLIES AND CRITICS.
00:01:19MORE THAN 2,000 SUPPORTERS
PACKED THE OHIO STATE
00:01:22UNIVERSITY'S OHIO UNION --
EQUIPPED WITH CAMPAIGN SIGNS,
00:01:28SHIRTS, AND STICKERS -- TO CHEER
ON THE GOVERNOR AS HE OFFICIALLY
00:01:31ENTERED THE RACE TO THE WHITE
HOUSE.
00:01:33KASICH DIDN'T DO MUCH TO DEVIATE
FROM THE SAME MESSAGE HE'S
00:01:35TOUTED IN OHIO EVER SINCE TAKING
OFFICE IN 2011.
00:01:37HE'S HOPING HIS RECORD OF
CREATING JOBS AND PUTTING MORE
00:01:39MONEY IN THE STATE'S RAINY DAY
FUND CAN IMPRESS VOTERS IN IOWA
00:01:42AND NEW HAMPSHIRE.
KASICH PROMISED BALANCING THE
00:01:47FEDERAL BUDGET AND MAINTAINING
FISCAL STABILITY WILL BE HIS
00:01:50NUMBER ONE GOAL AS PRESIDENT.
GOV. KASICH: YOU WANT JOB
00:01:53CREATION?
YOU BALANCE THE BOOKS.
00:01:56AM I RIGHT?
YOU BALANCE THE BOOKS!
00:02:04AND IF I'M PRESIDENT, OR MAYBE I
SHOULD SAY WHEN I AM PRESIDENT
00:02:05--
[APPLAUSE]
00:02:11I WILL PROMISE YOU.
I WILL PROMISE YOU THAT MY TOP
00:02:16PRIORITY WILL GET THIS COUNTRY
ON A PATH TO FISCAL
00:02:19INDEPENDENCE, STRENGTH AND WE
WILL REBUILD THE ECONOMY OF THIS
00:02:23COUNTRY BECAUSE CREATING JOBS IS
OUR HIGHEST MORAL PURPOSE AND W0
00:02:25WILL MOVE TO GET THAT DONE.x0xÀ0
ANDY: KASICH ALSO STUCK TO HIS
00:02:34CALL FOR COMPASSION AND EMPATHY.
HE SAID GOVERNMENT CAN DO MORE
00:02:36FOR THOSE WHO SUFFER WITH DRUG
ADDICTION OR DEAL WITH MENTAL
00:02:38HEALTH ISSUES.
THE GOVERNOR SAID IT'S SOMETHING
00:02:42OHIO, THE HEARTLAND, IS ALREADY
DOING.
00:02:47GOV. KASICH: I'M GONNA TAKE WHAT
WE LEARNED HERE IN THE HEARTLAND
00:02:49-- A BAND OF BROTHERS AND
SISTERS THAT I WORK WITH EVERY
00:02:53DAY AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE
LESSONS OF THE HEARTLAND AND
00:03:03STRAIGHTEN OUT WASHINGTON, D.C.
ANDY: KASICH JOINS A VERY
00:03:09CROWDED FIELD OF GOP HOPEFULS
AND NEEDS TO START GETTING
00:03:11BETTER POLLING NUMBERS IN ORDER
TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE FIRST
00:03:13REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
WHICH WILL BE IN CLEVELAND NEXT
00:03:15MONTH.
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN PAT
00:03:18TIBERI OF COLUMBUS SAID THAT'S
GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF HARD WORK
00:03:21AND ONE-ON-ONE INTERACTIONS IN
THE EARLY PRIMARY AND CAUCUS
00:03:22STATES.
MR. TIBERI: IT'S NEW HAMPSHIRE,
00:03:28IT'S AYATOLLAH, -- IT'S IOWA,
IT'S SOUTH CAROLINA, IT'S
00:03:34MICHIGAN, IT'S NEW HAMPSHIRE.
AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE HIM SPEND
00:03:36MORE TIME THERE.
HIS ADS ARE ALREADY UP IN NEW
00:03:37HAMPSHIRE THROUGH ONE OF HIS
PAC'S.
00:03:38AND THE MORE PEOPLE THAT
ACTUALLY MEET HIM IN THOSE
00:03:40PRIMARY STATES AND WHAT'S GREAT
ABOUT THOSE STATES VERSUS TEXAS
00:03:42AND CALIFORNIA -- THE EARLY
PRIMARY STATES -- IT'S MORE
00:03:45RETAIL POLITICS SO PEOPLE
ACTUALLY GET TO SHAKE YOUR HAND
00:03:47AND LOOK YOU IN THE EYE AND
THAT'S WHERE JOHN EXCELS.
00:03:50ANDY: THE GOVERNOR'S CELEBRATION
DID NOT GO UNCHALLENGED.
00:03:55A GROUP OF ABOUT 100 PROTESTERS
LINED UP ACROSS THE STREET FROM
00:03:57THE OHIO UNION.
THE CROWD INCLUDED EDUCATION AND
00:03:59ABORTION RIGHTS ADVOCATES.
FORMER STATE SEN. NINA TURNER, A
00:04:05DEMOCRAT FROM CLEVELAND, WHO'S
ALSO CHAIR OF PARTY ENGAGEMENT
00:04:08FOR THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
SAID THERE IS ANOTHER SIDE TO
00:04:11THE OHIO ECONOMIC REBOUND THAT
KASICH WILL TELL ON THE CAMPAIGN
00:04:13TRAIL.
SEN. TURNER: THE FACT THAT WE
00:04:15HAVE ALMOST $2 BILLION IN THE
RAINY DAY FUND BUT IT'S RAINING
00:04:17FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE TO
00:04:22INCREASE THEIR TAXES.
MORE SCHOOL LEVIES ON THE
00:04:24BALLOT.
BUT WE HAVE BALANCED THE BUDGET
00:04:26ON THE BACKS OF LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS -- $1.8 BILLION
00:04:28WORTH OF CUTS TO K-12 EDUCATION
SO FOR A LOT OF WHAT THE
00:04:31GOVERNOR HAD TO SAY -- THE
PUBLIC POLICY POSITIONS THAT
00:04:35HAVE A REAL IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S
EVERYDAY LIVES -- I JUST DON'T
00:04:37SEE IT.
ANDY: THE SPEECH WAS VINTAGE
00:04:39JOHN KASICH.
HE DID NOT USE A TELEPROMPTER
00:04:41AND DID NOT STICK TO A SCRIPT.
HE WRAPPED UP HIS 40 MINUTE
00:04:48ADDRESS PROMISING TO DO HIS BEST
TO SERVE EVERYDAY AMERICANS WHO
00:04:50GET OUT OF BED AND WORK FOR A
DECENT LIVING.
00:04:52GOV. KASICH: THE LIGHT OF A CITY
ON A HILL CANNOT BE HIDDEN.
00:04:59THE LIGHT OF A CITY ON A HILL
CANNOT BE HIDDEN.
00:05:03AMERICA IS THAT CITY AND YOU ARE
THAT LIGHT.
00:05:06GOD BLESS YOU AND GOD BLESS
AMERICA.@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
00:05:12THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
!úP@0B@ú@@R!@ANDY: THE GOVERNOE
00:05:17CAMPAIGN TRAIL HARD AFTER THE
ANNOUNCEMENT.
00:05:19HE IMMEDIATELY WENT TO NEW
HAMPSHIRE, THEN VISITED IOWA,
00:05:23SOUTH CAROLINA AND MICHIGAN IN
THE FOLLOWING DAYS.
00:05:25AND KASICH WON'T BE THE LAST
NOTABLE CANDIDATE TO JUMP INTO
00:05:26THE RACE EITHER.
FORMER VIRGINIA GOV. JIM GILMORE
00:05:29SAYS HE'LL JOIN THE FIGHT FOR
THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION EARLY
00:05:31NEXT MONTH.
LAST WEEK MY COLLEAGUE KAREN
00:05:35KASLER TALKED ABOUT KASICH'S
LONG-EXPECTED PRESIDENTIAL
00:05:38CAMPAIGN LAUNCH WITH TWO
POLITICAL EXPERTS -- DR. PAUL
00:05:42BECK, DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR OF
SOCIAL AND BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES
00:05:44AT OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY, AND
DR. DAVID NIVEN, ASSISTANT
00:05:49PROFESSOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
POLITICAL SCIENCE AT THE
00:05:52UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI.
KAREN: FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME TO
00:06:00THE SHOW.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
00:06:03KASICH'S FIRST AD, THE AD HE
BOUGHT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
00:06:05IT GOES THROUGH THE BIG NAMES
AND THEN IT SWITCHES TO A
00:06:09CLASSIC, SMALL TIME THEME WITH
THE LINE "HEY, WHAT ABOUT US?"
00:06:15IT REMINDED ME A LOT OF HIS
CAMPAIGN ADS FROM 2013, MAYBE
00:06:232010.
OBVIOUSLY HE WON BIG IN 2014
00:06:27AGAINST A WEAK DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATE.
00:06:36HE WON IN 2010 AGAINST A MUCH
STRONGER DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE.
00:06:39WILL THAT TRANSLATE NATIONALLY
OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ONLY
00:06:45OHIO VOTERS WILL GET?
>> I THINK IT WILL PLAY TO THAT
00:06:47ELECTRIC RID I THINK GOVERNOR
WANTS TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO
00:06:53THE NATIONAL PUBLIC AS A REGULAR
GUY.
00:06:55SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM NOT A
FAMOUS POLITICAL FAMILY,
00:06:59SOMEBODY WHO EARNED HIS WAY UP.
HE TALKED, I REMEMBER, IN THE
00:07:06GUBERNATORIAL CAMPAIGN ABOUT
OHIO BEING THE PROMISED LAND.
00:07:08I NEVER THOUGHT OF OHIO AS THE
PROMISED LAND.
00:07:11[LAUGHTER]
KAREN: THE FEELING IS MUTUAL.
00:07:16>> I UNDERSTAND HOW HE IS TRYING
TO POSITION HIMSELF.
00:07:20THERE IS A REALITY TO THIS AS
WELL.
00:07:21HE IS IN A VERY CROWDED FIELD.
WHEN HE ANNOUNCES, THERE WILL
00:07:35OTHERS AND I THINK THERE IS A
PARTICULAR NICHE HE FITS IN, AND
00:07:42IT IS THE JEB BUSH-CHRIS
CHRISTIE NICHE.
00:07:52JEB BUSH, I DO NOT THINK IS
GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, BUT JEB
00:07:54BUSH IS NOT A REGULAR GUY.
THAT IS A CONTRAST.
00:07:57HE IS ALSO TRYING TO CONTRAST
WITH SCOTT WALKER, WHO HE MAY
00:08:02SEE AS A MAJOR RIVAL --
KAREN: AND THE LATEST ENTRANT IN
00:08:08THIS RACE BEFORE GOVERNOR
KASICH.
00:08:09DAVID, HOW DO YOU SEE THIS
PLAYING ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL?
00:08:14DR. NIVEN: IT WAS STRIKING IN
THAT IT SOUNDED MORE LIKE A
00:08:19NOVEMBER AD.
THE THEME OF, US, WE ARE IN THIS
00:08:24TOGETHER.
IT HAD A VERY SOFT, YOU KNOW,
00:08:27GENTLE KIND OF FEEL TO IT.
AND HOW YOU BREAK THROUGH THE
00:08:31CLUTTER AGAINST 16 CANDIDATES ON
THE LEFT SIDE OF THE REPUBLICAN
00:08:39PARTY WHERE THERE ARE NOT VERY
MANY VOTERS?
00:08:41I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING
WAY TO POSITION HIMSELF.
00:08:42OBVIOUSLY, IT IS AN AD IN NEW
HAMPSHIRE, NOT NATIONALLY.
00:08:48IT WOULD BE HARD TO IMAGINE HOW
HE GETS THOSE FOLKS FIRED UP IN
00:08:52A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.
KAREN: I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE
00:08:57SOFTER SIDE OF JOHN KASICH IN A
MINUTE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS
00:09:00THAT STRUCK ME, PICTURE JOHN
KASICH, THE CONSERVATIVE
00:09:04GOVERNOR OF OHIO --
CONSERVATIVE.
00:09:05HE HAS TALKED ABOUT COMMON CORE,
MEDICAID EXPANSION, SHIFTING
00:09:14CONSUMPTION TAXES.
LET ME ASK YOU BOTH, SUPPORTING
00:09:18THESE THINGS IN A FIELD WHERE
YOU HAVE A LOT OF CANDIDATES WHO
00:09:22DO NOT AND CARVING OUT THAT
MODERATE NICHE, IS THAT GOING TO
00:09:26WORK IN A PRIMARY WERE ALL OF
THESE BOWLS, THE -- POLLS, THE
00:09:31CANDIDATES RUN MORE TO THE
EXTREME?
00:09:32DR. BECK: I THINK IT WILL HELP
HIM.
00:09:36I THINK DAVID PUT HIS FINGER ON
SOMETHING IMPORTANT HERE.
00:09:40THE GOVERNOR IS TRYING TO
POSITION HIMSELF AS SOMEONE WHO
00:09:42CAN WORK WITH THE OTHER SIDE.
WHO IS NOT EXTREMIST.
00:09:46WHO IS CONSERVATIVE.
HE HAS CUT TAXES.
00:09:47HE HAS A CONSERVATIVE BUSINESS
APPROACH TO RUNNING A STATE
00:09:52GOVERNMENT.
HE HAS HAD A CONSERVATIVE RECORD
00:09:58OVER TIME, BUT IN SOME WAYS, HE
IS HIS OWN MAN, AND I THINK HE
00:10:04RELISHES THAT, ACTUALLY.
AND THERE MAY BE A PORTION OF
00:10:11THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AND
CAUCUS ELECTORATE THAT IS
00:10:13LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT.
IF THERE ARE 16 OF THEM, AND 14
00:10:20ARE VYING FOR THE MORE EXTREME
CONSERVATIVE VOTE, THERE
00:10:24OBVIOUSLY IS ROOM FOR SOMEBODY
LIKE JEB BUSH OR SOMEONE LIKE
00:10:27JOHN KASICH.
KAREN: IS HE A MAVERICK?
00:10:29OBVIOUSLY MAVERICKS HAVE FOUND
PLACES -- I MEAN, JOHN MCCAIN.
00:10:35>> THE THING ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN,
HE HAD A VERY COMPELLING
00:10:46PERSONAL NARRATIVE.
THERE IS A MCCAIN EXCEPTION FOR
00:10:49HOLDING THE PARTY LINE.
IT WILL BE DIFFICULT OR KASICH
00:10:53TO ACCESS THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT HE HAS A FEW
00:10:55ISSUES WHERE HE BREAKS WITH THE
ORTHODOX POSITION.
00:10:57IT IS THE WAY HE WILL EXPLAIN
IT.
00:10:59HE WILL GO TO IOWA OR TENNESSEE
AND HE SAYS, OH, I EXPANDED
00:11:06MEDICAID BECAUSE THIS IS THE
BIBLE TEACHING ABOUT CARING FOR
00:11:09OTHERS.
IT IS CURIOUS TO DO THAT IN A
00:11:10REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.
IN THAT INSTANCE, HE IS RUNNING
00:11:15AS A RELIGIOUS MODERATE AND THE
RELIGIOUS VOTERS IN THE
00:11:18REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE NOT
MODERATE AND THE MODERATE VOTERS
00:11:20AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE NOT
RELIGIOUS.
00:11:22KAREN: DOESN'T HE RISK, BEING A
MODERATE, BEING THE JON HUNTSMAN
00:11:31OF THIS CAMPAIGN, WHERE HE IS
EMBRACED BY A GROUP OF FOLKS,
00:11:34BUT DISREGARDED WHEN IT COMES TO
THE PRIMARY?
00:11:36DR. BECK: I DO NOT SEE HIM AS A
MODERATE.
00:11:44HE IS A SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE,
THOUGH HE DOES NOT WEAR THAT ON
00:11:48HIS SLEEVE NECESSARILY.
HE CANNOT COMPETE WITH HUCKABEE
00:11:50AND SOME OF THE OTHERS FOR THAT
STRONGLY RELIGIOUS, FUNDAMENTAL
00:11:54CORE OF THE -- FUNDAMENTALIST
CORE OF THE PARTY.
00:11:59BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE LEFT OVER
HE CAN COMPETE FOR.
00:12:01REALLY ALL HE HAS TO DO EARLY ON
IS DIFFERENTIATE HIMSELF FROM
00:12:06THE OTHERS AND THEN THERE WILL
BE A SORTING OUT PROCESS.
00:12:09IT HAS NOT BEGUN YET, BUT IT
PROBABLY WILL BEGIN IN A FEW
00:12:12MONTHS, AND THE QUESTION WILL
BE, IS HE STILL LEFT THERE AND
00:12:18IS THAT NICHE HE IS TRYING TO
CREATE A NICHE THAT IS TOO
00:12:23CROWDED WITH OTHER PEOPLE,
PARTICULARLY JEB BUSH.
00:12:26JEB BUSH IN MANY WAYS IS HIS
PRIMARY RIVAL.
00:12:30MAY BE SCOTT WALKER WOULD LIKE
TO SLIP INTO THAT NICHE.
00:12:32BUT HE HAS OTHER NICHES HE IS
TRYING TO FIT INTO.
00:12:34KAREN: I THINK THEY'RE PEOPLE
WHO WILL TRY TO COMPARE HIM TO
00:12:40SCOTT WALKER, BUT THE BUSH
COMPARISONS ARE INTERESTING
00:12:44BECAUSE GEORGE BUSH WAS PRETTY
MUCH --
00:12:45LET ME ASK YOU, DAVID NIVEN,
YOUR TALK ABOUT THE SOFTER SIDE
00:12:53OF JOHN KASICH HERE, THERE WAS A
SOFTER SIDE IN THAT AD.
00:12:58HE WAS VERY FRIENDLY.
THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION
00:13:02ABOUT HIM BEING CRANKY, RUDE,
ABRASIVE, A JERK.
00:13:05ALL OF THESE WORDS.
SO, I'M WONDERING IF HE IS
00:13:12TRYING TO PAPER OVER SOME OF
THOSE PERCEPTIONS, DO YOU THINK?
00:13:14DR. NIVEN: OBVIOUSLY HE IS NOT
GOING FOR THE CHRIS CHRISTIE
00:13:21VOTE OF SELLING ON THAT
ABRASIVENESS, BUT HE IS GOING ON
00:13:28I WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU STRENGTH
00:13:33-- STRAIGHT.
LINDSEY GRAHAM ESSAY I WILL
00:13:35SPEAK TO YOU STRAIGHT ON THE
HUMOROUS SIDE.
00:13:37KAREN: AND OF COURSE, DONALD
TRUMP.
00:13:40DR. NIVEN: BUT AGAIN, ABLE
DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
00:13:45WHAT IS HIS TRADEMARK?
I THINK THAT LEE ATWATER, THE
00:13:48REPUBLICAN CONSULTANT, WHO WAS
INSTRUMENTAL TO THE FIRST GEORGE
00:13:53BUSH, TALKING ABOUT WHAT VOTERS
ARE GOING TO KNOW ABOUT A
00:13:55CANDIDATE CAN EASILY FIT ON AN
INDEX CARD.
00:13:59WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO CARE
ABOUT.
00:14:00WHAT IS THAT THING THEY WILL
WRITE DOWN FOR JOHN KASICH?
00:14:04THERE ARE SOME VOTERS OUT THERE
WHO -- MEDICAID EXPANSION IS
00:14:11OBAMACARE IS THE THIRD RAIL OF
REPUBLICAN PARTY POLITICS.
00:14:15THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE OUT
THERE THAT WILL NEVER VOTE FOR
00:14:20HIM.
THEY MAY NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM
00:14:22YET, BUT THEY WILL FIND OUT.
KAREN: THIS IDEA THOUGH OF
00:14:26KASICH BEING A JERK AND TRYING
TO SOFTEN THAT IMAGE, DO YOU
00:14:29THINK HE IS DOING THAT, OR DOES
HE REALLY NOT CARE?
00:14:31AT SOME POINT IN NATIONAL
POLITICS YOU HAVE GOT TO BE A
00:14:36LITTLE BIT OF A JERK, DON'T YOU?
DR. BECK: I THINK YOU HAVE TO
00:14:41BEAT OFF AND HE HAS REALLY TONED
DOWN HIS STYLE, PARTICULARLY
00:14:43AFTER -- I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE
TOUGH AND HE HAS REALLY
00:14:58TURNED DOWN HIS STYLE,
PARTICULARLY AFTER LAST TIME.
00:15:02HE HAS SEEN A LOT OF CRITICISM
OF HIS STYLE.
00:15:04HE IS REALLY TRYING TO TAME
THAT.
00:15:06THERE ARE QUESTIONS WHETHER HE
WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT OR WHETHER
00:15:12ON A DEBATE STAGE HE WILL BE
ABLE TO DO IT.
00:15:14WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.
DR. NIVEN: HE HAS NOT HAD THAT
00:15:19TERRIBLE MOMENT WHERE HE CALLED
THE POLICE OFFICER AND IDIOT AND
00:15:24HE DOUBLES BACK AND HAS DONE
HIMSELF REAL HARM.
00:15:25HE HAS BEEN ABLE TO PUT A LID ON
THAT FOR YEARS.
00:15:31DURING THE CAMPAIGN, HE IS DOING
TOWN HALL MEETINGS NOW.
00:15:34HE HAS NOT HAD THAT MOMENT.
I THINK IT IS LIKELY HE WILL NOT
00:15:37HAVE THAT MOMENT DOES HE HAS
HONED IN A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT HE
00:15:41IS SUPPOSED TO SAY.
KAREN: BUT THAT MOMENT IS
00:15:44POTENTIALLY OUT THERE.
AT LEAST, SOME PEOPLE THINK.
00:15:48WE REPORTERS IN OHIO HAVE
EXPERIENCED JOHN KASICH BEING
00:15:50TESTY WITH US.
THINGS LIKE THE NAME DROPPING,
00:15:55THE DISMISSIVE COMMENTS,
OFF-THE-CUFF RANTING, SOME OF
00:15:59THE THINGS HE HAS DONE.
ARE THOSE THINGS THAT COULD HURT
00:16:02HIM, OR DO THEY HELP THEM BREAK
OUT OF THE PACK?
00:16:06IT COULD GO EITHER WAY, COULDN'T
IT?
00:16:07DR. BECK: I THINK THOSE THINGS
HAVE A POTENTIAL TO HURT HIM.
00:16:15HE HAS NOT GOTTEN A LOT OF
ATTENTION YET.
00:16:16KAREN: HE HAS TRIED THOUGH.
HE HAS BEEN ON THE SUNDAY
00:16:20MORNING TALK SHOWS.
DR. BECK: I KNOW, BUT ORDINARY
00:16:25VOTERS DO NOT WATCH THOSE.
IF THEY ARE FOCUSED ON HIS
00:16:32RECORD, HE WILL TALK TO HIS
ECONOMIC RECORD IN OHIO.
00:16:34HIS ECONOMIC RECORD IS BETTER
THAN SOME, BUT NOT BETTER THAN
00:16:39THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
SOMEBODY WILL PICK THAT UP AND
00:16:40THAT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT.
CERTAINLY THE MEDICAID EXPANSION
00:16:43WILL BE TALKED ABOUT.
COMMON CORE WILL BE TALKED
00:16:47ABOUT.
DAVID IS RIGHT.
00:16:48THESE ARE TOXIC ISSUES TOO MUCH
OF THE REPUBLICAN BASE, AND THEY
00:16:53WON'T EVEN THINK BEYOND THAT IF
HE GETS IDENTIFIED WITH THOSE
00:16:57THINGS.
KAREN: ARE THERE ENOUGH VOTERS
00:16:59HE CAN REALLY START PICKING OFF?
HAVING PEOPLE WHO VIEW HIM AS A
00:17:06RINO, REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY,
BUT VOTERS IN THE INDEPENDENT
00:17:11CATEGORY?
ARE THERE ENOUGH OF THOSE HE CAN
00:17:14PULL IN, OR WILL THEY BE PUT OFF
BY THE ENTIRE FIELD AND STAY
00:17:16AWAY?
DR. NIVEN: IT REALLY DEPENDS
00:17:22STATE-BY-STATE.
NEW HAMPSHIRE, YES.
00:17:23THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE HE CAN
SPEAK TO IN THAT CONTEXT THAT
00:17:30ARE NOT ORTHODOX REPUBLICANS,
NOT STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINE
00:17:33REPUBLICANS.
BUT YOU SWITCH OVER TO THE OTHER
00:17:34FOR EARLY STATES -- THOSE FOLKS
DO NOT VOTE IN THE IOWA CAUCUS.
00:17:39THEY DO NOT SHOW UP AND GO TO
THE EFFORT OF DEDICATING
00:17:42THEMSELVES TO A CANDIDATE.
THEY ARE HARD-CORE, SOLID
00:17:48REPUBLICANS.
THE NEXT SEAT OF AFTER THAT.
00:17:49SOUTH CAROLINA.
NOT A HECK OF A LOT OF LEFT SIDE
00:17:51REPUBLICAN PARTY VOTERS THERE.
NEVADA, HARD-CORE REPUBLICANS.
00:17:57YOU CAN MAKE THE CASE
STATE-BY-STATE.
00:17:59REALLY A BIG EMPHASIS ON NEW
HAMPSHIRE.
00:18:02KAREN: HE HAS TALKED A LOT ABOUT
HIS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND
00:18:07HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE, BY
VARIOUS TERMS DOWNTRODDEN, DOWN
00:18:12ON THEIR LUCK, IN THE SHADOWS.
THESE ARE VARIOUS TERMS HE HAS
00:18:14USED, BUT HE SAYS HE DOES NOT
LIKE THE LABEL COMPASSIONATE
00:18:18CONSERVATIVE.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT LABEL
00:18:27AND WHY WOULD HE NOT WANT TO OWN
IT?
00:18:28DR. BECK: I THINK HE MAY FEEL
THAT THE LABEL AND NOT PLAY
00:18:34PARTICULARLY WELL FOR GEORGE W.
BUSH.
00:18:37NOT SO MUCH DURING THE CAMPAIGN,
BUT AFTERWARDS.
00:18:42IT DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH
REPUBLICAN CAUCUSES IN THE
00:18:45PRIMARIES.
DAVID IS RIGHT.
00:18:46THERE ARE BUNCH OF EARLY STATES
RETHINK GOVERNOR KASICH IS GOING
00:18:49TO HAVE REAL TROUBLE.
BUT NEW HAMPSHIRE IS PROBABLY
00:18:51HIS SHOT, AND IF YOU SURFACE IS
IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, ALL OF A
00:18:57SUDDEN HE WILL GET TALK ABOUT.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW WILL HE GET
00:19:02TALKED ABOUT?
SOMEONE, WHETHER HIS OPPOSITION
00:19:10SAYS, OH, JOHN KASICH, I NEED TO
TAKEN MORE SERIOUSLY THAN I
00:19:14THOUGHT, SO LET ME TELL VOTERS
HE IS FOR MEDICAID EXPANSION,
00:19:16FOR OBAMACARE IS WHAT THEY WILL
SAY.
00:19:18THEY WILL NOT EVEN SAY MEDICAID
EXPANSION.
00:19:20HE IS AN OBAMACARE GUY.
HE IS A COMMON CORE GUY.
00:19:24IF HE GETS THROUGH NEW HAMPSHIRE
, THEN HE IS GOING TO FACE THAT
00:19:30IN THE STATES THAT COME
AFTERWARD.
00:19:31THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE
STATES THAT, IMMEDIATELY
00:19:36AFTERWARD ARE THE STATES THAT
USE PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION
00:19:43TO DISTRIBUTE DELEGATES.
THERE WILL BE NO BIG WINNERS
00:19:46REALLY COMING OUT OF THERE
UNLESS THE MEDIA MAKES THEM BIG
00:19:50WINNERS, WHICH YOU CAN DO.
BUT AFTER MARCH 15, YOU HAVE
00:19:54THESE WINNER TAKE ALL PRIMARIES,
WHERE THE CANDIDATE CAN PILE UP
00:19:58DELEGATES.
THERE IS THAT WINDOW BEFORE
00:20:01MARCH 15 THAT IS ONE WHERE, IF
THERE ARE A LOT OF CANDIDATES,
00:20:06EACH OF WHOM IS TAKING, WINNING
SOME DELEGATES, IT WILL STILL BE
00:20:11A CROWDED FIELD.
KAREN: OHIO IS IN THAT FIELD.
00:20:17LET ME ASK YOU, BEFORE WE GET
YOU NEW HAMPSHIRE, WE GO TO
00:20:20CLEVELAND, A BIG DEBATE ON
AUGUST SIXTH.
00:20:21IT SEEMS KASICH MAY BE TIMING
HIS ANNOUNCEMENT TO TRY TO GET
00:20:28INTO THAT GROUP OF 10 THAT WILL
BE ON THAT STAGE.
00:20:31HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT, OR IS
THAT SOMETHING THAT ONLY CERTAIN
00:20:34PEOPLE WILL BE PAYING ATTENTION
TO?
00:20:36A MUCH DOES HE WANT TO BE THERE,
DO YOU THINK?
00:20:38DR. NIVEN: I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT AS A MARKER OF
00:20:44CREDIBILITY MORE THAN A TO FINER
OF OPINIONS.
00:20:46IT MAY GET A CONSIDERABLE
AUDIENCE.
00:20:52DONALD TRUMP ON THE STAGE AND
HOW THE OTHER NINE REACT TO HIM
00:20:53WILL DRIVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL.
THE DIFFICULTY FOR KASICH AND
00:20:58THE FOLKS AT THE BOTTOM TIER,
HOW TO GET PEOPLE TO PAY
00:21:02ATTENTION IN ELEVATE YOU JUST A
PERCENT OR TWO OR THAT IS THE
00:21:06FRUSTRATING THING.
WE HAVE SEEN ALREADY -- SOMEONE
00:21:10LIKE CHRIS CHRISTIE ANNOUNCES
AND HE IS FALLING DOWN.
00:21:13HE IS FIRMLY ON THAT BUBBLE IN
THE NINTH OR 10TH POSITION, IN
00:21:21DANGER OF FALLING TO 11TH OR
12TH.
00:21:22KAREN: HE ANNOUNCED THAT HE HAS
RAISED MONEY.
00:21:29HAS HE RAISED ENOUGH MONEY, DO
YOU THINK IT WILL RAISE ENOUGH
00:21:32MONEY TO BE A SERIOUS CANDIDATE?
HE SAYS HE IS NOT -- IS HE
00:21:38POSSIBLY LOOKING AT A VICE
PRESIDENTIAL ROLE HERE?
00:21:39DR. BECK: I DO NOT SEE HIM
LOOKING AT A VICE PRESIDENTIAL
00:21:45ROLE.
ALTHOUGH THAT MAY CHANGE OVER
00:21:49TIME.
THE MONEY GOT MY ATTENTION.
00:21:52HE DID BETTER IN FUND-RAISING
THAN I EXPECTED HIM TO.
00:21:54IT'S INTERESTING MARCO RUBIO HAS
RAISED ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF
00:21:58MONEY.
KAREN: AND HE HAS BEEN OUT THERE
00:22:01FOR A LONG TIME.
DR. BECK: AND NO ONE IS
00:22:05COMPARING THEM TO JOHN KASICH.
THE MONEY IS ENOUGH FOR RIGHT
00:22:08NOW, BUT HE OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE
TO RAISE MUCH MORE THAN THAT IF
00:22:12HE IS GOING TO BE A CREDIBLE
CANDIDATE OVER TIME.
00:22:13KAREN: DO YOU BELIEVE -- FINAL
QUESTION -- DO YOU BELIEVE HE
00:22:18REALLY THINKS HE CAN WIN, OR
COULD HE BE ANGLING?
00:22:22HE SAYS HE IS NOT TRYING TO DO
THIS FOR A TV SHOW OR BOOK.
00:22:26IS THERE POSSIBLY ANOTHER GAME
HERE?
00:22:27THE VICE PRESIDENCY, THERE IS
NOTHING TO SNEER AT, EVEN THOUGH
00:22:33IT IS SOMETHING HE SAYS HE'S
INTERESTED IN.
00:22:38DR. NIVEN: I COULD BELIEVE HE
WAS FLIRTING WITH THIS THING TO
00:22:43GET THE ATTENTION BEFORE HE GOT
TO THIS POINT.
00:22:47BUT THE HEAVY LIFTING TO RAISE
THIS MONEY, TO GO TO THE STATES,
00:22:49AT THIS POINT, HE HAS TO THINK
IT CAN BE DONE.
00:22:53IT MAY NOT BE HAS A PLAUSIBLE IS
FOR HOW HE WINS IS HE DOES NOT
00:22:59HAVE A PLAUSIBLE CASE FOR HOW
ANYONE ELSE SHUTS THEM OUT AND
00:23:01THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH.
KAREN: FINAL THOUGHTS?
00:23:03DR. BECK: THERE IS A YEARNING
OUT THERE FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS A
00:23:09STRAIGHT TALKER, APPEARS TO BE
LESS PARTISAN THAN SOME OF THE
00:23:13OTHERS.
WHETHER THAT YEARNING IS
00:23:17SUFFICIENT WITHIN A REPUBLICAN
BASE TO GIVE SOMEBODY THE
00:23:22NOMINATION IS QUESTIONABLE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU BEGIN
00:23:27WITH A CROWDED FIELD, CANDIDATES
DIVIDING UP THE TERRITORY.
00:23:34IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK
AT PUBLIC OPINION POLLS.
00:23:38THE ANNOUNCEMENTS DAY AFTER DAY
AFTER DAY, CANDIDATES X IS IN
00:23:40THE LEAD.
15%.
00:23:4415% IS NOTHING.
YET, THERE IS A LOT OF TALK
00:23:49ABOUT THIS.
PEOPLE THINK IF THEY COME IN
00:23:52FIRST, NO MATTER HOW POORLY,
THEY ARE THE CHAMPION, RIGHT?
00:23:58I THINK THERE IS, GOING FORWARD,
KASICH'S FIRST PROBLEM IS TO GET
00:24:05ATTENTION AND TO GET NATIONAL
ATTENTION.
00:24:06ONCE HE DOES THAT, HE MAY BE
ABLE TO ELBOW OUT SOME OF THE
00:24:10OTHER CANDIDATES.
JEB BUSH, I THINK, IS THE
00:24:15PRIMARY QUESTION FOR HIM.
JEB BUSH IS STRONG.
00:24:23GETS STRONGER, REMAINS AS STRONG
AS HE IS -- THERE'S NOT A LOT OF
00:24:25ROOM FOR JOHN KASICH.
KAREN: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY
00:24:30MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
I APPRECIATE IT.
00:24:31ANDY: IT'S GOING TO BE AN UPHILL
BATTLE FOR KASICH WHO HAS BEEN
00:24:35POLLING IN THE LOWER SINGLE
DIGITS.
00:24:37THE MOST RECENT POLL FROM THE
WASHINGTON POST AND ABC NEWS
00:24:48HAS KASICH TRACKING IT 2%.
THE THREE TOP CANDIDATES AMONG
00:24:50RESPONDENTS WERE DONALD TRUMP AT
24%, WISCONSIN GOV. SCOTT WALKER
00:24:52AT 13% AND FORMER FLORIDA GOV.
JEB BUSH AT 12%.
00:24:53THERE COULD BE SOME GOOD NEWS ON
THE WAY FOR KASICH THOUGH.
00:24:55CANDIDATES USUALLY SEE A BUMP IN
THE POLLS AFTER OFFICIALLY
00:24:56ANNOUNCING THEIR CANDIDACY.
AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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