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00:00:00ANNOUNCER: SUPPORT FOR THE
STATEWIDE BROADCAST OF THE STATE
00:00:07OF OHIO COMES FROM THE LAW
OFFICES OF PORTER, WRIGHT,
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BUSINESS AND INDIVIDUAL WITH
00:00:11COMPLEX LEGAL PROBLEMS IN OHIO,
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND AROUND
00:00:13THE WORLD.
ONLINE AT PORTER WRIGHT.COM.
00:00:15AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
00:00:20120,000 MEMBERS, WHO WORK TO
INSPIRE THEIR STUDENTS TO THINK
00:00:23CREATIVELY AND EXPERIENCE THE
JOY OF LEARNING.
00:00:27ONLINE AT OHEA.COM.
>> CONTROVERSY OVER THE
00:00:33MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION EFFORT
HITS A NEW HIGH WITH THE
00:00:35INTRODUCTION OF A MASCOT.
MORE ON MEDICAID, AND ON THE
00:00:38RULES THAT WILL COST THE PROGRAM
SOME OF ITS RECIPIENTS.
00:00:41AND A BOOK THAT'S BEEN CALLED
THE BIBLE OF OHIO POLITICS GETS
00:00:43AN BIG NEW UPDATE.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:46OHIO."
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WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS
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00:00:54HOST: THE GROUP BACKING A
BALLOT ISSUE TO LEGALIZE
00:01:06MARIJUANA STEPPED UP ITS
CAMPAIGN THIS WEEK WITH A NEW
00:01:07MASCOT.
RESPONSIBLEOHIO HAS INTRODUCED
00:01:09BUDDIE, WHO WILL TRAVEL TO
COLLEGE CAMPUSES AROUND THE
00:01:11STATE ALONG WITH THE GROUP'S RV.
A SPOKESPERSON SAYS HE PROMOTES
00:01:13"BUDDIE'S 21 AND UP CLUB," A
SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN TO EDUCATE
00:01:15MILLENNIAL VOTERS ABOUT ISSUE 3,
WHICH WILL ALSO SET UP 10
00:01:18GROWING SITES AND A SYSTEM OF
REGULATION AND TAXES FOR
00:01:20MARIJUANA.
BUT BUDDIE IS GETTING BLOWBACK
00:01:25FROM SOME OF THE ISSUE'S
OPPONENTS WHO'VE BEEN ESPECIALLY
00:01:28CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF
ACCESS TO LEGAL MARIJUANA AND
00:01:30ITS EFFECT ON KIDS.
NICK LASHUTKA, THE PRESIDENT OF
00:01:36THE OHIO CHILDREN'S HOSPITALS
ASSOCIATION WROTE THAT HE WAS
00:01:38"SHOCKED AT THIS BLATANT
MARKETING TO CHILDREN BY THE
00:01:40PROPONENTS OF ISSUE 3."
AND THE MELISSA WERVEY ARNOLD,
00:01:46THE CEO OF THE OHIO CHAPTER OF
THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF
00:01:49PEDIATRICS, WROTE, "USING THIS
KIND OF MASCOT TO FORWARD AN
00:01:51AGENDA FOR A PRODUCT THAT HAS
PROVEN TO BE DANGEROUS FOR
00:01:53CHILDREN TO CONSUME IS SIMPLY
APPALLING."
00:01:57AND RESPONSIBLEOHIO HAS DONE AS
IT PROMISED LAST WEEK AND FILED
00:02:01A LAWSUIT IN THE OHIO SUPREME
COURT TO CHANGE THE ACTUAL WORDS
00:02:03THAT VOTERS WILL SEE ON THE
BALLOT.
00:02:07THE GROUP IS UPSET ABOUT THE
LANGUAGE, WHICH CONTAINS NINE
00:02:11BULLET POINTS AND IS VERY
LENGTHY FOR A BALLOT ISSUE, AND
00:02:13IS ANGRY THE WORD "MONOPOLY" IS
USED TO DESCRIBE THE 10 GROWING
00:02:16SITES.
THE LANGUAGE AND TITLE WERE
00:02:25SELECTED BY THE OHIO BALLOT
BOARD.
00:02:26RESPONSIBLEOHIO CLAIMS IN ITS
COMPLAINT THAT "THE BALLOT
00:02:28LANGUAGE ADOPTED BY THE OHIO
BALLOT BOARD DOES NOT
00:02:29APPROPRIATELY, ADEQUATELY OR
FAIRLY INFORM VOTERS OF WHAT
00:02:31THEY ARE ASKED TO VOTE UPON. IN
FACT, IN PLACES IT DOES JUST THE
00:02:33OPPOSITE."
SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN HUSTED,
00:02:39WHO CHAIRS THE BALLOT BOARD, AND
WHO IS OPPOSED TO ISSUE 3, SAID
00:02:44IN A STATEMENT IN RESPONSE,
"THERE IS NO BETTER WAY TO
00:02:47DESCRIBE STATE ISSUE 3 THAN TO
SAY IT IS A MONOPOLY THAT GRANTS
00:02:49EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO A CERTAIN
GROUP OF PEOPLE, RIGHTS THAT
00:02:55WOULD NOT BE AFFORDED TO EVERY
OTHER OHIOAN. THE BACKERS OF
00:02:57STATE ISSUE 3 COULD HAVE EASILY
PREVENTED OHIOANS FROM CALLING
00:02:59THEIR PLAN A MARIJUANA MONOPOLY
BY CHOOSING TO NOT WRITE THEIR
00:03:02PLAN AS A MARIJUANA MONOPOLY."
MEANWHILE, MORE SUPPORT IS
00:03:04COMING IN FOR THE ISSUE AT THE
TOP OF THE STATEWIDE BALLOT.
00:03:07ISSUE ONE.
THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS HAS
00:03:10ENDORSED ISSUE 1, WHICH WOULD
CHANGE THE WAY STATE LAWMAKERS'
00:03:12DISTRICTS ARE DRAWN.
THE LEAGUE RELEASED A REPORT
00:03:15SHOWING GERRYMANDERED
LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS DELIVERED
00:03:17NEARLY PERFECT RESULTS IN 2012
AND 2014, SENDING CANDIDATES OF
00:03:21THE INTENDED POLITICAL PARTY TO
THE STATEHOUSE ALMOST 100
00:03:24PERCENT OF CASES.
HUSTED, A REPUBLICAN WHO'S
00:03:32TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT
REDISTRICTING REFORM, ALSO IS
00:03:34THROWING HIS SUPPORT BEHIND
ISSUE 1.
00:03:35THE ISSUE HAS GARNERED
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FROM A
00:03:37VARIETY OF ORGANIZATIONS, EXCEPT
THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
00:03:40ITS SCREENING COMMITTEE HAS
RECOMMENDED ENDORSEMENT, BUT THE
00:03:43FULL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MUST
VOTE ON THAT.
00:03:47GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH HAS TALKED
EXTENSIVELY ON THE PRESIDENTIAL
00:03:50CAMPAIGN TRAIL ABOUT HIS
DECISION TO EXPAND MEDICAID.
00:03:53NOW ABOUT A QUARTER OF ALL
OHIOANS, ALMOST THREE MILLION
00:03:56PEOPLE, ARE ON MEDICAID.
BUT THOUGH ENROLLMENT IS UP,
00:04:00SPENDING IS ACTUALLY NEARLY $2
BILLION BELOW EXPECTATIONS.
00:04:04STATE LAWMAKERS SAID DURING THIS
YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS THAT THEY
00:04:07ACCEPTED THAT MEDICAID EXPANSION
WOULD STAY IN THE SPENDING PLAN,
00:04:15THOUGH MANY UPLOADS -- MANY
OPPOSED IT.
00:04:18BUT THEY MADE SOME CHANGES IN
IT. LAST WEEK, I WAS JOINED BY
00:04:20TWO EXPERTS IN THE TOPIC OF
MEDICAID, GREG LAWSON, THE
00:04:22STATEHOUSE LIAISON AND POLICY
ANALYST WITH THE BUCKEYE
00:04:25INSTITUTE, WHICH CALLS ITSELF A
FREE-MARKET THINK TANK, AND JOHN
00:04:26CORLETT, WHO WAS THE STATE'S
MEDICAID DIRECTOR, AND IS NOW
00:04:28THE PRESIDENT AND EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR
00:04:30COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS, A PUBLIC
POLICY RESEARCH GROUP
00:04:32HEADQUARTERED IN CLEVELAND, AND
HE'S JOINING US THROUGH THE
00:04:34STUDIOS OF WVIZ/IDEASTREAM
THERE.
00:04:37I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE
CHANGES IN MEDICAID RULES,
00:04:42INCLUDING A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD
REQUIRE ABOUT 1 MILLION MEDICAID
00:04:44RECIPIENTS TO PAY 2% OF THEIR
FAMILY INCOME OR $99, WHICHEVER
00:04:50IS LESS, INTO A HEALTH SAVINGS
ACCOUNT FOR MEDICAID HEALTH
00:04:54COVERAGE OR POTENTIALLY LOSE IT.
I ASKED JOHN CORLETT FOR HIS
00:04:58THOUGHTS.
>> I THINK THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS
00:05:04INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, IN MY
MIND, IT IS REALLY A
00:05:08BUREAUCRAT'S DREAM.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A MORE COMPLEX
00:05:11SYSTEM PROPOSED FOR THE MEDICAID
PROGRAM IN THE STATE.
00:05:14EVEN STATES THAT ADOPTED
ELEMENTS OF THIS EARLIER, LIKE
00:05:19ARKANSAS, HAVE BACKED AWAY FROM
IT BECAUSE IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE
00:05:23TO ADMINISTER.
I CAN EASILY IMAGINE THE STATE
00:05:27SPENDING $10 FOR EVERY MILLION
DOLLARS THEY COLLECT IN
00:05:30PREMIUMS.
I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
00:05:32I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO THINK
ABOUT PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
00:05:37I WOULD ALSO FRAME IT MORE IN
TERMS OF HOW WE IMPROVE PENSION
00:05:40ENGAGEMENT.
THAT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY.
00:05:43HOW DO WE GET EVERYBODY MORE
ENGAGED IN THEIR HEALTH CARE TO
00:05:48MAKE HEALTHIER CHOICES?
THAT IS WHAT DRIVES BETTER
00:05:52HEALTH CARE OUTCOMES AND BETTER
SAVINGS.
00:05:53THE PROOF IS THERE IN OHIO.
WE HAVE REDUCED THE UNINSURED
00:06:01RATE BY HALF.
WE HAVE COME INTO BILLION
00:06:04DOLLARS UNDER BUDGET IN TERMS OF
THE STATE MEDICAID PROGRAM, AND
00:06:07WE ARE SEEING BETTER OUTCOMES.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DISRUPT
00:06:10THAT OR MESS WITH THAT,
DEVELOPING THIS VERY COMPLEX AND
00:06:14EXPENSIVE APPROACH.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
00:06:20THAT IS ONE OF THE RULES THAT
GOT THROUGH.
00:06:23THERE ARE OTHERS THAT DID NOT
GET THROUGH THAT WOULD HAVE
00:06:25PROVIDED SOME BENEFITS TO PEOPLE
WHO WERE ON MEDICAID WHO WERE
00:06:28MARRIED.
LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS.
00:06:33JOHN HAS DESCRIBED THIS AS A
BUREAUCRAT STREAM.
00:06:36THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING
THIS WOULD COST MORE MONEY AND
00:06:38IT'S HEARTLESS TO ASK PEOPLE TO
PAY EVEN A TOKEN FOR THEIR
00:06:41HEALTH INSURANCE.
>> YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD WHEN
00:06:47YOU ARE DESCRIBING WHAT THIS IS.
ONCE PEOPLE MOVE UP IN TERMS OF
00:06:52GETTING MORE INCOME, THEY ARE
GOING TO BE OFF MEDICAID ANYWAY.
00:06:56THERE MAY BE SUBSIDIES, BUT
THERE WILL STILL BE SOME LEVEL
00:06:59OF COST.
I THINK IT IS FAIR TO BE ABLE TO
00:07:02HAVE SOME LEVEL OF SKIN IN THE
GAME ON THAT.
00:07:07>> WILL IT COST MORE?
>> I AM NOT SO SURE THAT WILL BE
00:07:13THE CASE.
ONE THING IS, IF YOU PUT THE
00:07:16MONEY IN, THAT IS THE FRONT
MONEY THAT WILL BE'S RENT DOWN
00:07:19-- BE SPENT TO DOWN DEPENDING ON
HOW THE ACCOUNTS WORK.
00:07:21IT IS PROBABLY COMPLICATED TO
GET INTO THE MECHANICS OF IT.
00:07:26THERE ARE WAYS FOR THIS TO WORK
THAT COULD MAKE IT MORE
00:07:36EXPENSIVE OVERALL, BUT I THINK
THERE WAYS TO DO IT TO
00:07:40INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO STAY IN
THE WORKFORCE.
00:07:41WE HAVE A LOW LABOR MARKET
PARTICIPATION RIGHT NOW.
00:07:45YOU CANNOT SILO THESE THINGS TO
A CERTAIN EXTENT.
00:07:51YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT
HOLISTICALLY.
00:07:52YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE ARE
GOING TO GET ALL OF THESE THINGS
00:07:58WORKING TOGETHER.
THIS IS A WAY TO GET A PIPELINE
00:07:59TO GET PEOPLE MOVING OFF
MEDICAID OVER TIME, LEARNING HOW
00:08:03TO DO IT, AND LEARNING HOW TO
USE THE POWER OF THE MARKET.
00:08:08HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS CAN,
OVER TIME, PUSH COSTS DOWN BY
00:08:16HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT
THE COSTS ARE AND MAKING SURE
00:08:19THEY SHOP AROUND FOR VARIOUS
TYPES OF CARE.
00:08:21A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK HEALTH
SAVINGS ACCOUNTS WERE CREATED IN
00:08:26THE GEORGE W. BUSH
ADMINISTRATION AND LEAD TO SOME
00:08:31OF THE COST GOING DOWN IN THE
LAST FEW YEARS, THAT THAT MIGHT
00:08:33HAVE BEEN JUST AS MUCH IF NOT
EVEN MORE THAN THE AFFORDABLE
00:08:39CARE ACT ITSELF.
IT'S A COMIC HATED IDEA, BUT IT
00:08:42HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES TO
IT -- A COMPLICATED IDEA, BUT IT
00:08:48HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES TO
IT THAT COULD BE THE UNOFFICIAL
00:08:52OVERTIME.
>> DO YOU THINK WHEN LAWMAKERS
00:08:53COME UP WITH THESE RULES THEY
WANT TO SEE CHANGED, DO YOU GET
00:08:57IT?
ARE YOU FRUSTRATED THAT THEY MAY
00:08:59BE ASKING THE PEOPLE ON
MEDICAID, THE POOREST PEOPLE IN
00:09:02OHIO, TO DO SOMETHING THEY
CANNOT DO.
00:09:05IS THIS FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO
HAVE A LITTLE SKIN IN THE GAME?
00:09:12>> I THINK EVERYONE HAS AN
INTEREST IN MAKING THIS PROGRAM
00:09:15A BETTER PROGRAM.
I THINK THE PLACE TO FOCUS IS TO
00:09:18FOCUS ON SOME OF THE THINGS THE
STATE IS DOING ON PAYMENT
00:09:24REFORM, POPULATION HEALTH,
ENCOURAGING PAYMENT ENGAGEMENT.
00:09:25THIS IS A TWO-WAY STREET.
IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE COVERED
00:09:31BY MEDICAID.
IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE
00:09:33SERVICES.
ALL THE THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAKE
00:09:38THOSE SERVICE PROVIDERS MORE
EFFICIENT AND TO DRIVE DOWN
00:09:39COSTS, I THINK THAT WILL HAVE A
GREATER REWARD THAN DEVELOPING A
00:09:45SYSTEM THAT REQUIRES THINGS THAT
DON'T EVEN EXIST TODAY.
00:09:47THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND MONEY
THAT WE WILL HAVE TO INVEST IN
00:09:53NEW TECHNOLOGY TO CREATE THOSE
SYSTEMS I THINK, WILL LOSE TIME
00:10:00AND NOT FOCUS ON WHERE WE SHOULD
BE, WHICH IS TRYING TO GET
00:10:04PEOPLE HEALTHIER.
>> GREG, FINAL QUESTION,
00:10:07QUICKLY, THAT KIND OF
CONVERSATION IS LONG AND
00:10:10LONG-WINDED.
IT'S EASIER TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE
00:10:12HAVING SKIN IN THE GAME.
IT'S EASIER TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE
00:10:16WHO ARE MARRIED GETTING BENEFITS
OVER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT.
00:10:18HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
HOW DO YOU START TALKING ABOUT
00:10:23REFORM COSTS AND NOT JUST
FOCUSING ON THESE KIND OF
00:10:26FLASHIER THINGS THAT MAY
ACTUALLY COST THE STATE MONEY IN
00:10:28THE LONG RUN?
GREG: I THINK THE REALITY IS,
00:10:32THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE
ENGAGED ARE GOING TO HAVE
00:10:34HEADLINES THAT ARE SIMPLE
BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU CAN GET
00:10:37INTO AN CERTAIN TYPES OF
SITUATIONS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO
00:10:40KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON -- AND
THERE ARE VERY ENGAGED POLICY
00:10:44MAKERS -- THERE ARE LEGISLATORS
WHO ARE ENGAGED IN THIS AND KNOW
00:10:47QUITE A BIT ABOUT IT.
NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT MANY OF
00:10:50THEM ARE VERY INVESTED IN THIS.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH
00:10:58THE PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND IT AND
KEEP CRAFTING THE PROGRAM.
00:11:02IT'S OBLIGATED.
IT'S SIMPLE.
00:11:03BUT IT'S A HOLISTIC ISSUE OF THE
JOBS, THE ECONOMY, HOW THAT
00:11:07INFLUENCES HEALTH.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE BETTER
00:11:12DECISIONS THAT MIGHT RESULT IN
HOUSING, THAT'S AN ISSUE WE
00:11:20HEARD ABOUT EARLIER AS WELL.
AGAIN, I THINK WE SILO POLICY
00:11:24TOO MUCH.
HEALTH CARE IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT
00:11:27TOUCHES A LOT OF OTHERS AND A
LOT OF OTHERS TOUCH IT.
00:11:29THAT'S WHY IT'S DIFFICULT TO
HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
00:11:31IT'S EASY TO DO BUMPER STICKERS.
I AM VERY SOME ATTIC TO HOW THAT
00:11:35WORKS, -- SO THE ASCETIC TO HAVE
THAT WORKS, BUT WE DO NEED TO
00:11:39GET IN DEPTH WITH THE -- I AM
VERY SYMPATHETIC TO HOW THAT
00:11:44WORKS, BUT WE DO NEED TO GET IN
DEPTH WITH THE PEOPLE CRAFTING
00:11:51THE POLICY.
HOST: BY THE WAY, THE PROPOSAL
00:11:53TO REQUIRE MEDICAID RECIPIENTS
TO PAY INTO HEALTH SAVINGS
00:11:54ACCOUNTS REQUIRES AN OKAY FROM
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND NO
00:11:56STATE HAS BEEN GRANTED THAT
APPROVAL.
00:11:58NEXT WEEK, MORE ON MEDICAID WITH
FROM A STATE LAWMAKER'S
00:12:00PERSPECTIVE.
NORMALLY, AN ALMANAC DOESN'T GET
00:12:01A LOT OF POSITIVE REVIEWS OR
REALLY, MUCH ATTENTION AT ALL.
00:12:03IT'S JUST A COLLECTION OF FACTS
AND FIGURES, AN ENCYCLOPEDIA OF
00:12:05STATS AND USEFUL TRIVIA.
BUT SINCE ITS FIRST PUBLICATION
00:12:06IN 1996, THE OHIO POLITICS
ALMANAC HAS BEEN THE SOURCE OF
00:12:08INFORMATION ABOUT OHIO'S
POLITICAL HISTORY, ITS PEOPLE,
00:12:10AND ITS STATUS AS A BATTLEGROUND
STATE.
00:12:12IT'S BEEN CALLED THE "BIBLE" OF
OHIO POLITICS, FEATURING THE
00:12:14USUAL DATA ALONG WITH HISTORICAL
BACKGROUND ABOUT THE EIGHT
00:12:16PRESIDENTS FROM OHIO, OHIO'S
EIGHT BIGGEST CITIES AND THE
00:12:19STATE'S 69 GOVERNORS IN VERY
READABLE BIOS AND STORY FORM.
00:12:28ONE REVIEWER EVEN SAID ITS
AUTHORS HAVE PERFORMED A PUBLIC
00:12:32SERVICE BY PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
ANOTHER REVIEWER -- A LONGTIME
00:12:35FRIEND OF THIS SHOW, REPUBLICAN
POLITICAL STRATEGIST MARK
00:12:37WEAVER, WROTE A REVIEW ON AMAZON
THAT READS IN PART, "THIS BOOK
00:12:39IS REQUIRED READING FOR EVERY
REPORTER WHO WANTS TO UNDERSTAND
00:12:41POLITICS IN THE BUCKEYE STATE."
I'M FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE
00:12:47AUTHORS OF THE NEW UPDATED
VERSION OF THE OHIO POLITICS
00:12:49ALMANAC HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
MIKE CURTIN, A FORMER REPORTER,
00:12:53ASSOCIATE PUBLISHER, VICE
PRESIDENT AND COO WITH THE
00:12:56COLUMBUS DISPATCH, WHO RETIRED
IN 2007 AND IS NOW SERVING HIS
00:12:58SECOND TERM AS A DEMOCRATIC
MEMBER OF THE OHIO HOUSE.
00:13:03JOE HALLETT IS A FORMER REPORTER
AND SENIOR EDITOR WITH THE
00:13:06DISPATCH WHO COVERED POLITICS
FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS WITH THE
00:13:08TOLEDO BLADE AND THEN THE
DISPATCH.
00:13:11HE RETIRED LAST YEAR.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
00:13:19GREAT TO SEE YOU BOTH.
I LOVE THE FIRST QUOTE ON THE
00:13:21BACK OF THE BOOK HERE.
"ROUGHLY A CENTURY AGO,
00:13:27PRESIDENT THEODORE ROOSEVELT
SAID I THINK THERE IS ONLY ONE
00:13:29THING IN THE WORLD I CANNOT
UNDERSTAND, AND THAT IS OHIO
00:13:33POLITICS."
IS THAT WHY YOU PUT THIS
00:13:37TOGETHER?
JOE: THAT HAS BEEN A QUESTION
00:13:39FOR MIKE, BECAUSE HE DID THE
FIRST TWO EDITIONS.
00:13:45THE FIRST WAS IN 1996.
AS A REPORTER, AND I AM SURE YOU
00:13:50FEEL THE SAME WAY, IT WAS GUTSY.
YOU KNOW HOW WE USE TO LOOK IN
00:13:5410 DIFFERENT PLACES FOR A FACT,
ON DEADLINE.
00:13:56ALL OF A SUDDEN, THIS BOOK COMES
OUT, AND THERE IS EVERYTHING YOU
00:14:01NEED TO KNOW ABOUT OHIO
POLITICS.
00:14:05THE GOVERNORS, THE PRESIDENTS,
THE COUNTIES, DEMOGRAPHIC
00:14:10INFORMATION, CHARTS.
I THINK THE BEST RESOURCE I HAD
00:14:16AS A REPORTER IN ALL MY YEARS
COVERING POLITICS.
00:14:24HOST: WHAT WAS IT LIKE TRYING TO
GET ALL THIS STUFF TOGETHER
00:14:30BEFORE THIS BOOK, AND HOW DID
YOU MANAGE TO GET EVERYTHING
00:14:34TOGETHER IN A FORMAT THAT HAS
BECOME SO INDISPENSABLE?
00:14:37JOE: I WAS A FILE MANIAC FOR
MOST OF MY FOUR DECADES AT THE
00:14:41DISPATCH.
HOST: A HORDE?
00:14:43JOE: AN AMATEUR HISTORIAN, WOULD
BE A NICER WAY TO PUT IT.
00:14:49I ALWAYS TRIED, AS A POLITICAL
JOURNALIST, AT THE CITY, COUNTY,
00:14:56AND STATE LEVEL, TO PUT CURRENT
ISSUES IN AN HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
00:15:01SOMETIMES THAT WAS MORE
DIFFICULT THAN OTHERS.
00:15:04I BECAME THE STATE REPORTER FOR
THE DISPATCH IN 1982.
00:15:08I COVERED THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
FROM 1982-1986.
00:15:11REALLY, WHEN I GOT HERE, I GOT
MORE FRUSTRATED.
00:15:15OHIO IS A BIG, COMPLEX STATE.
I TRY TO PUT THINGS IN
00:15:24HISTORICAL COMPLEX -- CONTACTS.
I WAS OFTEN FRUSTRATED BY WHAT I
00:15:28COULD NOT FIND IN A TIMELY
FASHION.
00:15:35I BECAME EVEN MORE OF AN
HISTORICAL MANIAC IN THE LATE 19
00:15:3880'S AND EARLY 1990'S.
I ASKED TO USE DISPATCH
00:15:45COMPUTERS TO ASSEMBLE SOMETHING
I THOUGHT WOULD BE OF BENEFIT TO
00:15:46BOTH THE NEWSROOM AND ME, AND IF
I DID IT WELL ENOUGH, MAYBE
00:15:51PEOPLE WOULD BE ON ME.
JOURNALIST, LOBBYISTS, AND SO
00:15:52FORTH.
ALOE THAT WAS DONE IN THE
00:15:58INTERNET AGE.
THE INITIAL EDITION CAME OUT --
00:16:00ALL OF THAT WAS DONE IN THE
INTERNET AGE.
00:16:02THE INITIAL EDITION CAME OUT IN
1996.
00:16:12THE REAL HARD PART WAS THE FIRST
EDITION.
00:16:14THE SECOND AND THIRD EDITIONS
ARE ESSENTIALLY DECADE UPDATES,
00:16:202006 AND 2016.
I HAVE TO THANK MY PARTNER IN
00:16:23CRIME, WHO WAS A PREEMINENT
JOURNALIST IN OHIO FOR A COUPLE
00:16:27OF DECADES.
HE WAS INDISPENSABLE TO ME FOR
00:16:29GETTING OUT THE THIRD EDITION.
I COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT
00:16:34HIM.
HOST: ANOTHER FRIEND OF THE
00:16:37SHOW, MIKE DAWSON, HAS BEEN
HELPING YOU OUT IN TERMS OF
00:16:40PRODUCING SOME OF THE MAPS AND
TAKING THE DATA AND MAKING IT
00:16:45VISUAL.
>> I THINK YOU HAVE HAD MIKE AS
00:16:47A GUEST ON YOUR SHOW.
HE STARTED --
00:16:51HOST: OHIOELECTIONRESULTS.COM.
>> RIGHT.
00:16:59IT'S AN INDISPENSABLE RESOURCE
WITH ALL THESE INTERACTION PUNCH
00:17:03-- INTERACTION OF -- INTERACTIVE
FUNCTIONS.
00:17:07HE SUGGESTED WE COULD INCLUDE
SOME OF HIS MAPS.
00:17:12I THINK THE BEST NEW FEATURE OF
THE BOOK IS THE MAPS.
00:17:17THEY GO BACK THE LAST 10
ELECTIONS, PRESIDENTIAL AND
00:17:23GUBERNATORIAL.
ADDITIONAL CHARTS -- ONE OF THE
00:17:27CHARTS MIKE PASSED ALONG WAS A
COMPARISON OF VOTER TURNOUT IN
00:17:32PRESIDENTIAL AND GUBERNATORIAL
ELECTIONS.
00:17:33THROUGH THAT, YOU CAN READILY
DISCERN THAT GUBERNATORIAL
00:17:39ELECTIONS HAVE TURNOUT OF ABOUT
1.5 MILLION MORE THAN THE
00:17:45PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, WHICH IS
ONE OF THE REASONS DEMOCRATS DO
00:17:50WELL IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS
AND REPUBLICANS DO SO WELL IN
00:17:53GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS.
HOST: THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME
00:17:56OF THE ANALYSIS YOU GET INTO.
ONCE YOU GET BEYOND THE FACTS
00:18:01AND FIGURES, IS IT HARD TO PUT
THINGS IN HISTORICAL CONTEXT
00:18:04WITHOUT BEING ACCUSED OF BEING
BIASED OR VEERING OFF INTO A
00:18:07DESCRIPTION THAT MIGHT, SOME
PEOPLE MIGHT FIND OFFENSIVE OR
00:18:11OVERLY SLANTED?
GUEST: I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A
00:18:18DEVOTEE OF THE JUST THE FACTS
APPROACH TO NEWS WRITING.
00:18:24I THINK IT CAN BE DONE AND HAS
BEEN DONE WELL BY MANY
00:18:28JOURNALISTS IN OHIO.
I HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN OFFENSE TO
00:18:30MEDIA CRITICS WHO CLAIM THAT ALL
REPORTERS ARE BIASED.
00:18:35THAT'S BALONEY.
MANY, MANY JOURNALISTS AND NEWS
00:18:38OUTLETS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE
PROVEN THAT YOU CAN DO A JUST
00:18:47THE FACTS APPROACH AND STILL DO
JUSTICE TO THE RICH CONTEXT THAT
00:18:52BRINGS THE ISSUES FORWARD.
HOST: IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO
00:19:02WITH PEOPLE CURRENTLY RUNNING
FOR OFFICE?
00:19:04GUEST: I THINK SO.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I
00:19:07LIKE THE WORK SO WELL.
IT IS FACT-BASED, OBJECTIVE.
00:19:10THE NARRATIVES ON EACH GOVERNOR
-- AND THERE IS A NARRATIVE ON
00:19:16EVERY GOVERNOR IN OHIO HISTORY
-- WERE JUST TOTALLY WITHOUT ANY
00:19:22KIND OF BIAS, PRE-MUCH
EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW
00:19:28ABOUT THE GOVERNOR, WHERE HE
CAME FROM, KEY ACCOMPLISHMENTS
00:19:33IN OFFICE.
WE OF COURSE HAD TO UP TO EIGHT
00:19:36THE SECOND -- UPDATE -- THE
SECOND UPDATED NOT INCLUDE
00:19:45GOVERNOR KASICH OR GOVERNOR
STRICKLAND AND THE MERITS ON
00:19:47THEM.
I THINK, PARTICULARLY FOR A
00:19:52POLITICAL JUNKIE, IF YOU JUST
WANT THE STRAIGHT SCOOP ON A
00:19:57GOVERNOR OR OHIO'S PRESIDENTS --
WHICH WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE SINCE
00:20:071923 -- IT'S THE SAME THING.
FACT-BASED, VERY READABLE
00:20:10NARRATIVES.
HOST: SOME OF THE FACTS ARE
00:20:16AMAZING.
LOOKING AT THE COST OF RACES,
00:20:20FOR ONE THING.
$1.8 MILLION IN 1974.
00:20:24NOT QUITE 40 YEARS LATER, THE
MOST EXPENSIVE STATEWIDE RACE
00:20:29OTHER THAN THE SENATE RACE IN
OHIO HISTORY WAS JOHN KASICH AND
00:20:30STRICKLAND.
IN 1800% INCREASE.
00:20:33THE CONTEST FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL
BETWEEN WILLIAM BROWN AND GEORGE
00:20:40SMITH IN 1974 WAS $230,000.
LAST YEAR, THE RACE WAS $12.1
00:20:47MILLION.
THAT IS A 5260% INCREASE.
00:20:51STAGGERING.
GUEST: IT IS STAGGERING.
00:20:57I REMEMBER THE 1974 RACES.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN EVERY
00:21:05ELECTION CYCLE, THE RESPONSE IS
WOW, LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS.
00:21:07HOW MUCH BIGGER CAN THEY GET?
AND OF COURSE, THEY HAVE GOTTEN
00:21:11EXPONENTIALLY BIGGER EVERY
ELECTION CYCLE.
00:21:13WE CONTINUE TO SHATTER RECORDS
IN EVERY ELECTION RACE.
00:21:18AND NOW WITH THE LIMITS TAKEN
OFF WHAT CANDIDATES CAN RAISINS
00:21:26BEEN, WE WILL SEE ALL NEW
NUMBERS.
00:21:28HOST: THERE IS A LINE THAT YOU
TAKE FROM THE OHIO STATE JOURNAL
00:21:35IN 1982 THAT IS SADLY HILARIOUS.
"DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO TAKE A
00:21:39LEAD FROM THE BOOK OF
REPUBLICANS AND TRY
00:21:42ORGANIZATION."
IT DOES GIVE PEOPLE, NO MATTER
00:21:47WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON, YOU SEE THE
SWING BACK AND FORTH.
00:21:50THIS REALLY IS A SWING STATE IN
TERMS OF HOW THE PARTIES
00:21:53PERFORM.
GUEST: AND TRACING THE
00:22:01REPUBLICAN PARTY IN OHIO, IT CAN
BE TRACED BACK TO 1856.
00:22:04WHEN IT STARTED, IT MIGHT BE
MORE AKIN TO THE DEMOCRATIC
00:22:09PARTY NOW THAN THE OHIO
REPUBLICAN PARTY, BECAUSE THERE
00:22:15HAS BEEN TRANSFORMATION OF THE
PARTIES.
00:22:17THAT WILL CONTINUE.
WE HAVE A NEW PORTION OF THE
00:22:24BOOK THAT TRACES WHAT HAPPENED
AFTER THE GREAT RECESSION AND
00:22:28HOW IT AFFECTED ELECTIONS FOR
GOVERNOR AND PRESIDENT
00:22:33AFTERWARD.
I THINK FOR NATIONAL REPORTERS
00:22:40COMING IN WANTING TO KNOW ABOUT
OHIO AND THE HISTORY OF ITS
00:22:45POLITICS, IT IS A GOOD RESOURCE.
HOST: AND YOU TIE AND
00:22:51UNEMPLOYMENT DATA AND SOME OF
THE OTHER FACTS AND FIGURES YOU
00:22:54HAVE.
EVERY FOUR YEARS, REPORTERS COME
00:22:56IN AND START ASKING QUESTIONS.
IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS MIKE PUT
00:23:01TOGETHER THE OHIOELECTIONRESULTS
.COM SITE.
00:23:04PEOPLE WERE CALLING HIM FOR DATA
ALL THE TIME.
00:23:07GUEST: ONE OF MY FAVORITE
FEATURES IN THE BOOK IS DRAWN
00:23:16FROM MIKE DAWSON'S WEBSITE.
THERE ARE PROFILES OF EACH
00:23:19COUNTY, AND NOW INCLUDED WITH
THOSE PROFILES, THERE IS THE
00:23:25AVERAGE OF HOW THEY VOTED IN THE
LAST 10 PRESIDENTIAL AND
00:23:28GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS, ALONG
WITH HOW THEY VOTED IN EACH OF
00:23:37THE PAST PRESIDENTIAL AND MOST
RECENT PRESIDENTIAL AND
00:23:39GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS.
I JUST REMEMBER, AS A CHASTE
00:23:46CANDIDATES AROUND, THINKING OK,
I WONDER HOW THIS COUNTY VOTES
00:23:50AND WHO WON THIS COUNTY BACK
WHEN, AND NOW YOU CAN FIND IT
00:23:55PRETTY READILY.
HOST: AND YOU CAN SEE WHICH ARE
00:23:59RELIABLY DEMOCRATIC AND RELIABLY
REPUBLICAN BASED ON HISTORICAL
00:24:01DATA, ALTHOUGH I SUPPOSE ALL OF
THAT COULD CHANGE WITH ANY GIVEN
00:24:04ELECTION.
LET ME ASK YOU.
00:24:08BOOKS ARE AWESOME, BUT A LOT OF
PEOPLE MAY BE WONDERING IF THE
00:24:12BOOK IS OUT OF DATE ALMOST AS
SOON AS IT COMES OUT.
00:24:14I MEAN, WE HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION NEXT YEAR.
00:24:17GUEST: SOME THINGS GO OUT OF
DATE, AND SOME THINGS DON'T.
00:24:21YOU MENTIONED THE TIDES OF
POLITICS.
00:24:24I THINK UNDERSTANDING THE TIDES
OF POLITICS IN OHIO IS VERY
00:24:28IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT
HAPPENS IN ANY GIVEN YEAR.
00:24:30THERE ARE CURRENTS AND CROSS
CURRENTS THAT DEFINE WHY ANYONE
00:24:36PARTY ACHIEVES DOMINANCE IN ANY
GIVEN TIME.
00:24:39THOSE THINGS NEVER GO OUT OF
DATE.
00:24:40HAVING A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF
HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE.
00:24:45THERE IS STUFF THAT IS TIMELESS
AND THERE.
00:24:46WHAT DOES GET OUT OF DATE IS
DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, CENSUS DATA.
00:24:51THERE IS DATA THAT NEEDS TO BE
UPDATED EVERY 10 YEARS WITH
00:24:59ENOUGH ELECTION CYCLES THAT GO
BY.
00:25:00PORTIONS GET OUT OF DATE, BUT
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SECOND,
00:25:03THIRD, AND FOURTH ADDITIONS.
AND I AM TOLD THERE WILL BE AN
00:25:07ELECTRONIC EDITION OF THIS BOOK
IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AND THAT,
00:25:12OBVIOUSLY, CAN BE UPDATED MUCH
MORE READILY.
00:25:14GUEST: YES, THE BOOK WILL BE
UPDATED IN AN ELECTRONIC EDITION
00:25:22THAT YOU CAN GET FOR YOUR IPAD.
I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS ON HOW
00:25:25TO ORDER THAT YET, BUT I THINK
THAT WILL BE HELPFUL TO A LOT OF
00:25:35OUT-OF-TOWN REPORTERS.
HOST: WELL, WITH THAT, THANK YOU
00:25:38VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW BOOK.
00:25:40AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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