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00:00:01ANNOUNCER: SUPPORT FOR THE
STATEWIDE BROADCAST OF THE
00:00:03"STATE OF OHIO" COMES FROM THE
LAW FIRM OF PORTER, WRIGHT,
00:00:05MORRIS AND ARTHUR, LLP.
HELPING BUSINESSES AND
00:00:08INDIVIDUALS SOLVE COMPLEX LEGAL
PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO, ACROSS
00:00:10THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE
WORLD.
00:00:15ON THE WEB AT PORTERWRIGHT.COM.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:18ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
120,000 MEMBERS, WHO WORK TO
00:00:20INSPIRE THEIR STUDENTS TO THINK
CREATIVELY AND EXPERIENCE THE
00:00:22JOY OF LEARNING.
ONLINE AT OHEA.ORG.
00:00:30KAREN: REFORM FOR OHIO'S
TROUBLED CHARTER SCHOOL SYSTEM
00:00:32HEADS TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK.
AND TWO EXPERTS DEBATE WHAT'S
00:00:35NEXT, NOW THAT THE STATE'S GREEN
ENERGY STANDARDS HAVE BEEN
00:00:38FROZEN PERHAPS FOREVER.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:41OHIO."
A LONG AWAITED CHARTER SCHOOL
00:00:55REFORM BILL THAT PROMISES
SWEEPING NEW PERFORMANCE,
00:00:58ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY
REQUIREMENTS HAS CLEARED BOTH
00:01:00THE OHIO HOUSE AND SENATE.
THE BILL WAS ON A FAST TRACK TO
00:01:05THE LEGISLATURE AFTER A SUMMER
OF NEGOTIATIONS AND A
00:01:07BREAKTHROUGH ON TUESDAY, WITH
THE FLOOR VOTES IN BOTH CHAMBERS
00:01:09WEDNESDAY.
REPUBLICAN SENATOR PEGGY LEHNER
00:01:12OF KETTERING HAS BEEN HEAVILY
INVOLVED WITH CHARTER SCHOOL
00:01:14LEGISLATION, INCLUDING THIS
BILL.
00:01:17SENATOR LEHNER: THIS BILL IS
GOING TO BE A GAME CHANGER FOR
00:01:22THE CHARTER SCHOOLS IN OHIO.
IT OFFERS US THE OPPORTUNITY OF
00:01:30HAVING CHARTER SCHOOLS WE CAN BE
PROUD OF AND CHARTER SCHOOLS
00:01:33THAT WILL OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE
FOR THOSE STUDENTS WHO NEED IT.
00:01:36IN A QUALITY SETTING.
THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
00:01:41AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS THE
QUALITY OF EDUCATION THAT WE
00:01:45PROVIDE OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS
THAT MATTERS MOST.
00:01:49KAREN: BACKERS SAY THE BILL
STOPS "SPONSOR HOPPING," WHEN
00:01:52FAILING SCHOOLS AVOID SHUTDOWN
BY FINDING NEW SPONSORS.
00:01:55IT ALSO REQUIRES FOR-PROFIT
CHARTER SCHOOL OPERATORS TO OPEN
00:01:57THEIR BOOKS TO SHOW MORE
INFORMATION ON HOW THEY SPEND
00:01:59TAX MONEY.
THE BILL CHANGES THE WAY CHARTER
00:02:02SCHOOL SPONSORS ARE RATED BY THE
OHIO DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND
00:02:05OPENS ATTENDANCE RECORDS, AND
REQUIRES E-SCHOOLS TO TRY TO
00:02:08SCHEDULE CONFERENCES WITH
PARENTS OF FAILING STUDENTS.
00:02:12THE MEASURE PUTS LIMITS ON
CONTRACTS THAT SCHOOLS CAN SIGN
00:02:15TO PREVENT CONFLICTS OF
INTEREST, AND CLARIFIES
00:02:17EQUIPMENT BOUGHT WITH STATE
MONEY GOES TO SCHOOLS, NOT
00:02:19OPERATORS.
THE SO-CALLED "WHITE HAT" RULE,
00:02:24IN REFERENCE TO THE
CONTROVERSIAL RULING IN A RECENT
00:02:26OHIO SUPREME COURT CASE.
AND THE BILL ALSO STATES THAT
00:02:30GOING FORWARD, TEACHERS AND
OTHER EMPLOYEES OF PRIVATE
00:02:32CHARTER MANAGEMENT COMPANIES
WOULD BE IN THE SOCIAL SECURITY
00:02:35SYSTEM, NOT IN THE STATE PENSION
SYSTEM.
00:02:39THAT LAST POINT ANGERED SOME
DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING
00:02:41REPRESENTATIVE DAN RAMOS OF
LORAIN.
00:02:45REPRESENTATIVE RAMOS: THIS
CHANGE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE
00:02:49QUITE PROBLEMATIC, WHICH IS WHY
I DO WANT TO SAY AND REPORT THAT
00:02:54THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR
SPEAKER, WE WILL BEGIN TO WORK
00:03:02AT SUSA -- AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
TO MAKE SURE THESE SYSTEMS ARE
00:03:09IN GOOD WORKING ORDER AND THAT
ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED,
00:03:13WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT OUR
EMPLOYEES, THAT GOES FORWARD.
00:03:19KAREN: RAMOS WAS ONE OF SIX
HOUSE MEMBERS WHO VOTED AGAINST
00:03:22THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
CONFERENCE COMMITTEE, ALONG WITH
00:03:24DEMOCRATS NICKIE ANTONIO, KEVIN
BOYCE, STEPHANIE HOWSE AND MIKE
00:03:26STINZIANO, AND REPUBLICAN TOM
BRINKMAN OF CINCINNATI.
00:03:38THE BILL CLEARED THE SENATE
UNANIMOUSLY.
00:03:39BACKERS SAY APPROVAL SIGNALS
OHIO'S COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING A
00:03:40CHARTER SCHOOL SECTOR THAT'S
BEEN MARRED BY ATTENDANCE WOES,
00:03:42FINANCIAL QUESTIONS AND
PERFORMANCE LAGS AMONG SOME
00:03:43SCHOOLS.
THE PASSAGE OF THE REFORM BILL
00:03:48WAS CONSIDERED CRITICAL NOW THAT
OHIO HAS RECEIVED A $71 MILLION
00:03:51GRANT TO EXPAND BY A THIRD OVER
THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THE NUMBER
00:03:52OF STUDENTS IN OHIO'S CHARTER
SCHOOL SYSTEM.
00:03:56AND A QUICK LOOK AT THE LATEST
POLL FROM QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY
00:03:59SHOWS GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH'S
NUMBERS FALLING.
00:04:03THE SWING STATES POLL FOUND
KASICH'S SUPPORT AMONG OHIO
00:04:06REPUBLICAN VOTERS HAS PLUMMETED
IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
00:04:10DOWN FROM 27% IN AUGUST, WHEN HE
WAS LEADING THE POLL IN OHIO, TO
00:04:1513% AND IN THIRD PLACE, BEHIND
DONALD TRUMP AND BEN CARSON.
00:04:19THE DEMOCRATIC FIELD IS
UNCHANGED IN OHIO, WITH HILLARY
00:04:22CLINTON LEADING AT 40% AND JOE
BIDEN, WHO HAS STILL NOT
00:04:28ANNOUNCED IF HE WILL ENTER THE
RACE, IN A DISTANT SECOND.
00:04:31BUT WHILE CLINTON BEATS TRUMP
HEAD TO HEAD, SHE LOSES TO
00:04:34CARSON BY NINE POINTS.
A QUINNIPIAC POLL THIS WEEK ALSO
00:04:39FOUND A SLIM MAJORITY OF OHIO
VOTERS, 53% SUPPORT LEGALIZING
00:04:47POT FOR PERSONAL USE, AND 90%
FAVOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA
00:04:49LEGALIZATION.
BUT THE POLL DIDN'T ASK ABOUT
00:04:51THE SPECIFICS OF ISSUE 3, WHICH
ALSO WOULD PUT INTO PLACE 10
00:04:54OFFICIAL GROWING SITES, A SYSTEM
OF TAXES AND REGULATIONS, AND
00:04:57THE POSSIBILITY OF UP TO 1100
RETAIL STORES TO BE APPROVED BY
00:05:01LOCAL VOTERS.
THE STATE'S GREEN ENERGY
00:05:05STANDARDS FREEZE DIDN'T THAW
LAST WEEK.
00:05:07AS EXPECTED, A GROUP OF STATE
LAWMAKERS ISSUED A REPORT THAT
00:05:09RECOMMENDED THAT THE ALTERNATIVE
ENERGY GOALS AND BENCHMARKS FOR
00:05:13UTILITIES BE HALTED
INDEFINITELY.
00:05:17THAT PANEL WAS CREATED SIX
MONTHS AGO AFTER OHIO BECAME THE
00:05:19FIRST STATE IN THE COUNTRY TO
SUSPEND THOSE STANDARDS FOR TWO
00:05:23YEARS WHILE LAWMAKERS STUDIED
THEIR IMPACT.
00:05:32BUT THE LAWMAKER PANEL
DETERMINED THE STANDARDS, OR
00:05:34MANDATES, AS SOME REFER TO THEM,
HAD ESCALATED ENERGY COSTS.
00:05:35AND THE GROUP SAID AS LONG AS
THERE WAS UNCERTAINTY ABOUT
00:05:37FEDERAL ENERGY POLICY AND SOME
LAWSUITS OVER IT, THE STANDARDS
00:05:39SHOULD REMAIN FROZEN, AND THAT
THE STATE SHOULD MOVE AWAY FROM
00:05:42ENERGY MANDATES TO WHAT IT
CALLED "ENERGY INCENTIVES."
00:05:47REPUBLICANS HAD BACKED THE
FREEZE, WITH SOME WANTING THE
00:05:49STANDARDS SCRAPPED ENTIRELY.
BUT GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH, WHO
00:05:53HAD TAKEN CREDIT FOR GETTING THE
FREEZE PUT INTO PLACE, SAID THE
00:05:56CONTINUED HOLD ON THE STANDARDS
WAS "UNACCEPTABLE."
00:06:00THIS WEEK, MY COLLEAGUE ANDY
CHOW REUNITED LEADERS OF TWO
00:06:03GROUPS VERY INTERESTED IN THOSE
GREEN ENERGY STANDARDS WHO WERE
00:06:06ON THIS SHOW LAST YEAR, WHO THEN
WERE HERE SPECULATING ON WHAT A
00:06:10FREEZE ON THE STANDARDS WOULD
MEAN.
00:06:12THEY ARE TED FORD, THE PRESIDENT
OF OHIO ADVANCED ENERGY ECONOMY,
00:06:15WHICH REPRESENTS MORE THAN 400
RENEWABLE AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY
00:06:19COMPANIES, AND SAM RANDAZZO,
GENERAL COUNSEL WITH INDUSTRIAL
00:06:23ENERGY USERS OHIO, WHICH
REPRESENTS BIG AND SMALL
00:06:25COMPANIES SUCH AS MCDONALD'S AND
MARATHON REFINERY.
00:06:30ANDY: THE REPORT FROM THE ENERGY
MANDATES THAT HE COMMITTED
00:06:37SUGGESTED THE STATION HAVE AN
INDEFINITE FREEZE OF THE
00:06:38STANDARDS WHICH WERE CREATED IN
2008.
00:06:40WHY DID THE COMMITTEE COME TO
THAT RESULT?
00:06:43TED: IF WE STEP BACK TO THE
ORIGINAL FREEZE, THE FREEZE THAT
00:06:54IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE AND WILL
LAST UNTIL 2017 WAS A BYPRODUCT
00:07:01OF PEOPLE RECOGNIZING THAT SO
MUCH HAD CHANGED.
00:07:09THE STUDY COMMITTEE REPORT
HIGHLIGHTS THAT THERE ARE
00:07:17GREATER DEGREES OF UNCERTAINTY
AS A RESULT OF FEDERAL
00:07:19LEGISLATION DEALING WITH
ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS.
00:07:22THAT DOES NOT TELL US HOW
RENEWABLES OR ENERGY EFFICIENCY
00:07:33CAN BE BROUGHT INTO THE
PORTFOLIO IN A WAY THAT
00:07:34SATISFIES OUR COMPLIANCE
OBLIGATIONS AT THE FEDERAL
00:07:37LEVEL.
OHIO IS ONE OF THE STATES THAT
00:07:42IS CHALLENGING THE PLAN BASED
UPON THE VIEW THAT IT IS
00:07:49EXCEEDING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
POSSIBILITY.
00:07:50THAT'S PEDAL GOVERNMENT --
EXCEEDING THE FEDERAL
00:07:56GOVERNMENT'S AUTHORITY.
THE COMMITTEE CONCLUDED THAT THE
00:08:02BEST THING TO DO IS TO DO NO
HARM BY CONTINUING TO MARCH UP
00:08:07MANDATE MOUNTAIN AND TO CONTINUE
THE FREEZE INDEFINITELY.
00:08:10WE HAVE TO HAVE LEGISLATION.
THE COMMITTEE ITSELF DOESN'T DO
00:08:18ANYTHING.
ANDY: THERE ARE TOO MANY
00:08:20QUESTIONS IN THE AIR.
WHY NOT JUST TAKE A BREATH AND
00:08:23KEEP THE FREEZE GOING?
TED: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
00:08:25BETWEEN SENATE BILL 310 AND NOW,
WE HAVE HAD ADDITIONAL FEDERAL
00:08:31PROPOSALS THAT FURTHER CREATE
AMBIGUITY ON A BEST PUT FORWARD
00:08:37ANDY: DO YOU SEE IT THAT WAY.
IS THAT WHY A FREEZE IS NEEDED?
00:08:42TED: AN INDEFINITE FREEZE IS NOT
NEEDED.
00:08:46THE STANDARDS ARE PRETTY LOW.
RESUMING THE STANDARDS RIGHT NOW
00:09:05, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO
CREATE PROBLEMS WITH COMPLIANCE
00:09:09WITH THE U.S. EPA, EVEN THOUGH
THERE ARE LAWSUITS PENDING OUT
00:09:14THERE -- I'M NOT A LAWYER --
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE
00:09:22SUPREME COURT HAS RULED ON THIS
A COUPLE OF TIMES.
00:09:23THE CHANCES OF THERE NOT BEING A
CLEAN POWER PLANT SEEM
00:09:33PRETTY LOW.
WE HAVE COME UP WITH A REPORT
00:09:40THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY QUANTIFY
THE BENEFITS AND COSTS OF
00:09:42ANYTHING.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE
00:09:46PROPOSALS TO MANDATE THAT
CONSUMERS PAY HIGHER PRICES FOR
00:09:53COAL-FIRED ELECTRICITY GOING FOR
IT.
00:09:57FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS BECAUSE WE
NEED THOSE SOURCES OF POWER.
00:10:02DIVERSIFYING OUR SOURCES OF
ELECTRICITY IS A GOOD IDEA.
00:10:06WE OUGHT TO LIFT THE FREEZE NOW
AND WORK ON LEGISLATION, TWEAK
00:10:12THE STANDARDS AS WE NEED TO BUT
DON'T CONTINUE TO HOLD THIS.
00:10:17ANDY: THAT BRINGS US TO THE BIG
QUESTION.
00:10:20DO THESE STANDARDS RAISE PRICES
ARE NOT?
00:10:25YOU PEOPLE SEE MORE CHARGES ON
THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS?
00:10:29TED: THE PART OF THE LEGISLATION
THAT ESTABLISHED THE FREEZE MY
00:10:36CALL A IT SUSPENSION, REQUIRED
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
00:10:42ADOPTED RULES TO DISCLOSE THE
COSTS ON ELECTRIC BILLS AND SO
00:10:50CUSTOMERS CAN SEE HOW MUCH THEY
ARE PAYING EVERY MONTH.
00:10:52THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN
JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
00:10:55THEY ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF
DOING THAT.
00:10:59UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THE
OBJECTIVES OF THE LEGISLATION
00:11:06WHICH WAS REFERRED TO AS A
TRANSPARENCY OBJECTIVE IS STILL
00:11:09INCOMPLETE.
THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY IT
00:11:12WOULD BE BETTER TO DEFER ANY
FURTHER ESCALATION MANDATES
00:11:16UNTIL CUSTOMERS HAVE THE
INFORMATION ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT
00:11:18IT IS COSTING.
MANDATES AND CHARGES TO THE
00:11:21BILL.
THE MANDATES ARE BLEEDING CASH
00:11:23FLOW AWAY FROM EXISTING
GENERATING PLANTS, COAL AND
00:11:29NUCLEAR.
AND PROMPTING UTILITIES TO COME
00:11:32BACK TO THE PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION OF OHIO TO GET
00:11:34ADDITIONAL CHARGES AND ELECTRIC
BILL.
00:11:38PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE COMBINATION
OF THE HIGHER COSTS OF THE
00:11:47MANDATES AND THE OTHER CHARGES
AS A RESULT OF THE REVENUE
00:11:49EROSION OCCURRING FROM THE
SUBSIDIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN
00:11:53PLACE.
BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE.
00:11:55ANDY: ARE THESE STANDARDS
RAISING COSTS ON ELECTRIC BILLS?
00:12:01WHAT SAM WAS SING ABOUT
COMPETITION, HOW DO THESE
00:12:06STANDARDS IMPACT COMPETITION?
TED: LET ME START WITH THE
00:12:11FIRST.
IT IS NOT REALLY A COMPETITIVE
00:12:12MARKET OUT THERE IN ANY SENSE.
EVEN COAL-FIRED GENERATION IS
00:12:19SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN
SUBSIDIZED OVER THE YEARS.
00:12:20IN REALITY, IT IS VERY POLICY
DRIVEN.
00:12:23WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO AROUND
ENERGY?
00:12:27THERE IS A WRITER THAT GOES ON
ELECTRICITY BILL.
00:12:32LAST YEAR, DURING THE DEBATE
OVER 310, WE WENT INTO THE
00:12:40FILINGS OF UTILITIES ON THEIR
ESTIMATES OF COST SAVINGS ON
00:12:47THEIR ENERGY EFFICIENCY
PROGRAMS.
00:12:48THEY'VE ESTIMATED A BILLION
DOLLARS IN SAVINGS ALREADY ON A
00:12:55HALF $1 BILLION OF INVESTMENT.
THAT IS COMING FROM ENERGY
00:12:59EFFICIENCY RIDERS, SAVING MORE
MONEY FOR CONSUMERS AS A RESULT.
00:13:04ANYTIME YOU TURNED ON YOUR
THERMOSTAT, YOU WILL USE LESS
00:13:12ELECTRICITY, IT WILL SAVE YOU
MONEY.
00:13:13RENEWABLES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN --
THEY HAVE COME DOWN DRAMATICALLY
00:13:19IN COST.
WHEN YOU PUT UP A WIND FARM, YOU
00:13:22CAN FIX PRICE FOR 20 YEARS, A
GOOD HEDGE AGAINST COST
00:13:33INCREASES.
THESE INNOVATIONS ARE COMING.
00:13:35THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE STAND
STILL WITH THE STATUS QUO AND
00:13:42PUT OURSELVES IN A DISADVANTAGE
FROM A COMPETITIVE STANDPOINT.
00:13:44ANDY: IF THIS INDUSTRY IS GOING
TO BE BLOSSOMED ANYWAY, DO WE
00:13:51NEED STANDARDS TO HOLD THEM --
SAM: THAT IS THE KEY.
00:13:55WE HAVE ADVOCATED IS CUSTOMERS
-- OHIO IS A CUSTOMER CHOICE
00:14:02STATE.
CUSTOMERS HAVE THE RIGHT UNDER
00:14:06STATE LAW TO FORM THEIR OWN
PORTFOLIO.
00:14:07WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THE MARKET
IS ACTUALLY INSPIRING PEOPLE TO
00:14:12DO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT TED
SUPPORTS IN A MUCH MORE DRAMATIC
00:14:17WAY.
WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST, TED WAS
00:14:20TELLING US ALL THE TWO-YEAR
FREEZE WOULD CLOSE EVERYTHING
00:14:24DOWN.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THE PCO
00:14:28MAINTAINS A WEBSITE WHERE FOLKS
WHO ARE INSTALLING RENEWABLE
00:14:30RESOURCES CAN FILE AND BE
CERTIFIED SO THEY CAN GET
00:14:35RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS, WHICH
HAVE VALUE IN THE MARKETPLACE.
00:14:38IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE, YOU
CAN SEE THAT IN 2015, AFTER THE
00:14:44MANDATES WERE SUSPENDED, WE HAD
MORE RENEWABLE APPLICATIONS
00:14:51FILED THAN HAD EVER BEEN FILED
IN THE HISTORY OF THE STATE OF
00:14:56OHIO.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE BETTER
00:15:00-- THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE
ARE FORCED TO PAY FOR THINGS
00:15:07THEY DON'T WANT TO BUY.
IN WAYS THAT RAISE THEIR
00:15:11ELECTRIC BILL AND INSPIRED
UTILITIES TO GO TO THE PCO AND
00:15:17GET NEW CHARGES TO ALSO
INCREASED ELECTRIC BILL FOR THE
00:15:20REVENUE LOST BY THE UTILITY AS
CUSTOMERS GO OFF THE GRID.
00:15:24THE CUSTOMERS ARE GETTING THE
WORST OF BOTH WORLDS.
00:15:30THEY DON'T HAVE CHOICE AND
UTILITIES ARE GETTING TO CHARGE
00:15:37JUST GETTING NEW CHARGES TO
INCREASED ELECTRIC BILL.
00:15:38IT IS EASY TO CALCULATE.
BARRY DIFFERENT -- VERY
00:15:46DIFFERENT THAN THE FOLKS
--
00:15:53ANDY: WHAT IMPACT DOES THE
FREEZE HAVE?
00:15:57TED: COMPANIES IN OHIO DOING
THIS KIND OF BUSINESS,
00:16:02PARTICULARLY RENEWABLES, HAVE
HAD TO GO OUT OF THE STATE TO
00:16:06FIND PROJECTS.
THERE ARE CONSUMERS OUT THERE
00:16:11THAT ARE DETERMINED, THEY WANT
RENEWABLES AND IT WILL GET THEM.
00:16:14THERE ARE INCENTIVES FOR SCHOOL
DISTRICTS TO DO THAT KIND OF
00:16:19WORK.
THE RENEWABLE ENERGY INDUSTRY
00:16:24HAS DROPPED OFF DRAMATICALLY IN
THE STATE SINCE SENATE BILL 310
00:16:28WAS ENACTED.
YOU CANNOT BUILD A WIND FARM IN
00:16:33THE STATE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF
SEPARATE LEGISLATION THAT
00:16:35CHANGES --
SAM: BUT THERE ARE WIND FARMS
00:16:41THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT THAT ARE
NOT SUBJECT TO THE NEW
00:16:43REQUIREMENTS.
THEY ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD
00:16:46BECAUSE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT THE FEDERAL
00:16:50SUBSIDY IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED.
IMPORTANTLY, WHAT THE WEBSITE
00:16:58WILL TELL YOU IS THAT WE HAD
EXTRAORDINARY GROWTH GOING ON IN
00:17:03RENEWABLE RESOURCES BEING ADDED
TO THE SYSTEM.
00:17:05ANYTHING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS
THAT IT IS NOT DEVELOPERS IN A
00:17:11FOR-PROFIT.
IT IS INDIVIDUAL CONSUMERS,
00:17:15SMALL BUSINESSES INSTALLING
ROOFTOP SOLAR AND OTHER
00:17:18TECHNOLOGIES.
-- AN INTERESTING THING FROM MY
00:17:21PERSPECTIVE.
THE LARGE-SCALE SOLAR FARM
00:17:24DEVELOPERS DON'T LIKE THE
ENTREPRENEURSHIP BEING EXHIBITED
00:17:30ON THE CUSTOMER SIDE.
THEIR BUSINESS MODEL DEPENDS ON
00:17:33MASSIVE DEPLOYMENT OF VERY LARGE
PROJECTS THEY CAN EXTRACT
00:17:38FEDERAL SUBSIDIES AND PROFITS
FROM.
00:17:39ANDY: THE COMMITTEE WAS SUPPOSED
TO SET OUT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE
00:17:46COST OF THESE STANDARDS WERE AND
IF THEY WERE EFFECTIVE OR NOT.
00:17:48DID THE COMMITTEE DO WHAT THEY
WERE SUPPOSED TO DO?
00:17:51DID THEY DO WHAT THEY WERE SET
UP TO DO?
00:17:55SAM: THERE WAS A LIST OF THINGS
THE LEGISLATION REQUIRED THE
00:18:03COMMITTEE TO DO IN THE COMMITTEE
-- EACH OF THOSE SUBJECT AREAS.
00:18:08IF YOU READ THE REPORT, YOU
WOULD SAY YES, THEY SET OUT WHAT
00:18:13THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO BASED
ON THEIR STATUTORY CHARTER.
00:18:15THE REPORT ITSELF IS COMPLETE,
BUT NOTHING HAPPENS UNLESS THE
00:18:24GENERAL ASSEMBLY ACTUALLY ADOPTS
LEGISLATION.
00:18:26IF THERE IS NO FURTHER
LEGISLATION ADOPTED, WE WILL
00:18:29RESUME THE ESCALATION IN THE
PACE UP MANDATE DOWN.
00:18:37IT REQUIRES THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
TO ADOPT LEGISLATION.
00:18:42TED: THEY DID WHAT THEY SET OUT
TO DO.
00:18:47THEY DID NOT DO WHAT WE THINK
THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE, A FAIR
00:18:53INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF THE
STANDARDS, WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS
00:18:59ARE AND WHAT THE TRENDS ARE.
FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE
00:19:01STANDARDS OUGHT TO BE.
THE HEAD ON THE STANDARDS WAS
00:19:08THAT THEY ARE ARBITRARY, WE
OUGHT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY
00:19:12REALLY OUGHT TO BE.
THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
00:19:13WE ARE IN THE SAME PLACE WE WERE
A YEAR AGO.
00:19:18ANDY: WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU WHEN
THE GOVERNOR COMES OUT AND SAYS
00:19:25AN INDEFINITE FREEZE IS
UNACCEPTABLE?
00:19:26SAM: IT SAYS TO ME THAT THE
GOVERNOR --
00:19:32ANDY: I GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR
COMING UP WITH THAT STATEMENT.
00:19:37TED: FOR OHIO TO BE A
COMPETITIVE STATE, WE HAVE TO
00:19:42HAVE A DIVERSIFIED ENERGY
PORTFOLIO.
00:19:43YOU HAVE TO HAVE RENEWABLES AND
ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
00:19:47THE STATE HAS A LOT OF
CONFIDENCE THAT COMPANIES DOING
00:19:53THIS.
ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WASTE
00:19:59RECOVERY, YOU NAME IT.
WE FIND OBSTACLES BEING THROWN
00:20:04IN THE WAY OF THOSE THINGS, JUST
LIKE THE WIND SETBACK.
00:20:06THE WIND TURBINES, THE SUBSIDIES
ARE TAX CREDITS ARE IMPORTANT.
00:20:13THERE'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
SITTING ON THE SIDELINES RIGHT
00:20:19NOW.
THEY WILL NOT BE INVESTED
00:20:20BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY
AROUND OHIO'S POLICY.
00:20:23IF WE PASSED 315 --
ANDY: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE
00:20:38GOVERNOR'S REACTION?
SAM: SENATE BILL 58 WHICH HAVE
00:20:43THIS WOULD HAVE CONTINUED --
SENATE BILL 58 WOULD HAVE THE
00:20:53ESCALATED.
IT IS A PROCESS.
00:20:58PEOPLE WILL POSITION AROUND
THINGS.
00:20:59THE REPORT ITSELF DOES NOT DO
ANYTHING.
00:21:03IF THERE IS LEGISLATION
INTRODUCED, WE WILL HAVE A
00:21:08CONVERSATION, OTHER
STAKEHOLDERS, THE GOVERNOR'S
00:21:14OFFICE --
TED: THERE ARE LARGE NATIONAL,
00:21:23INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES THAT
WILL LOOK AT OHIO AS A LO
00:21:28LOCATION FOR THINGS LIKE CLOUDY
DATA CENTERS.
00:21:29THOSE COMPANIES, LIKE GOOGLE AND
FACEBOOK, INSIST ON 100%
00:21:34RENEWABLE ENERGY.
IT NEEDS TO BE NEW.
00:21:37IT HAS TO BE IN THE STATE.
THEY WILL NOT COME HERE.
00:21:46WE LOST ONE OF THOSE MAJOR
INVESTMENTS.
00:21:48BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CAPITAL
INVESTMENT BECAUSE YOU CANNOT
00:21:51BUILD A WIND FARM IN THE STATE
RIGHT NOW.
00:21:55SAM: THAT IS INCORRECT.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON,
00:22:04YOU HAVE WHIRLPOOL BILLING THIS
BUILDING A WIND FARM --
00:22:10WHIRLPOOL BUILDING A WIND FARM
TO SERVICE NEEDS.
00:22:13IF A CUSTOMER WANTS TO BUY 100%
RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY, THEY HAVE
00:22:20THAT RIGHT UNDER STATE LAW.
WHAT IS REALLY AT ISSUE HERE IS
00:22:26NOT WHETHER WE WILL HAVE
RENEWABLE ENERGY OR WHETHER WE
00:22:29WILL HAVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, BUT
WHO DECIDES.
00:22:33IS OF THE CUSTOMER?
IS IT A MANDATE?
00:22:39DO THE TECHNOLOGIES HAVE TO
COMPETE BASED ON WHERE THEY
00:22:43STACK IN THE MANDATES OR COMPETE
BASED ON MERIT?
00:22:45WE BELIEVE A SYSTEM BASED ON
MERIT THAT GIVES CUSTOMERS THE
00:22:50RIGHT TO PURCHASE 100% RENEWABLE
ENERGY IS THE BETTER SYSTEM
00:22:56BECAUSE CUSTOMERS CAN TAILOR
THEIR PORTFOLIO TO THEIR
00:23:01PREFERENCES.
WHETHER IT'S ARBITRARY OR
00:23:05RATIONAL, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT --
ANDY: IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT?
00:23:11WILL PEOPLE SEEK THIS OUT ANYWAY
WITHOUT THE STANDARDS?
00:23:15TED: THERE WILL BE INDIVIDUALS
AND COMPANIES THAT SEEK THIS
00:23:18OUT.
WHIRLPOOL IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF
00:23:21THAT.
ARE WE GOING TO GET A FACEBOOK
00:23:24INVESTMENT?
WE WILL NOT GET ONE.
00:23:29THEY ARE NOT COMING HERE BECAUSE
YOU CANNOT BUILD A WIND FARM OR
00:23:32SOLAR ARRAY BIG ENOUGH TO
SATISFY THEIR NEEDS UNDER THE
00:23:35CURRENT LAW.
SAM: AMAZON IS.
00:23:36TED: AMAZON IS.
THEY ARE ONE OF THE LATECOMERS
00:23:42TO THE 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY.
THEY ARE INVESTING IN INDIANA
00:23:47AND NORTH CAROLINA TO GET IT.
THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE HERE.
00:23:49SAM: HE COULD HAVE BEEN DONE
HERE.
00:23:53THERE ARE WIND FARMS THAT HAVE
BEEN CERTIFIED THAT COULD AT ANY
00:23:59RESOURCE.
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSED
00:24:07EXEMPTIONS FOR THOSE PARTICULAR
WINDFARMS TO ENHANCE THEIR
00:24:08ABILITY TO COMPETE.
THE FACT THAT AMAZON WENT TO
00:24:12INDIANA IS AN INDICATION THAT
THE WINDFARMS IN OHIO CANNOT
00:24:13COMPETE.
PART OF THAT REASON IS WYNN
00:24:18RESORTS IN OHIO IS WIND
RESOURCES IN OHIO ARE NOT AS
00:24:25GOOD.
BUT AMAZON IS COMING HERE.
00:24:30WALMART HAS JUST ISSUED AN
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY ARE IN
00:24:35FAVOR OF DOING 100% RENEWABLE
SUPPLY.
00:24:37THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT UNDER OHIO
LAW.
00:24:39THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT
IN MICHIGAN OR WEST VIRGINIA OR
00:24:45INDIANA OR KENTUCKY.
OHIO IS A BETTER LOCATION FROM A
00:24:51CUSTOMER'S PERSPECTIVE IF YOU
ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN
00:24:55SATISFYING YOUR ENERGY
REQUIREMENTS -- YOU CAN BUILD
00:25:02YOUR OWN AND BY YOUR OWN -- BUY
YOUR OWN.
00:25:06ANDY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
JOINING US TONIGHT.
00:25:09-- JOINING US TODAY.
KAREN: AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS
00:25:14WEEK.
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