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00:00:17JOINING ME TODAY IS FORMER OHIO
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE SANDY
00:00:21DOUGLAS.
00:00:21WELCOME.
00:00:22THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:00:23JUSTICE FISHER.
00:00:24NOW YOU LEFT THE COURT IN LATE
DECEMBER OF 0 2.
00:00:28WHAT ARE YOU DOING THIS DAY.
00:00:29I'M STILL ACTIVELY PRACTICING
EVEN AT AGE 86 AFTER I LEFT THE
00:00:35COURT.
00:00:36I WENT TO A LAW FIRM KRABBE
BROWN AND JAMES IN COLUMBUS AND
00:00:41THEY LET ME TAKE WHATEVER CASES
I WANT TO TAKE AND I CAN DO SOME
00:00:44PRO BONO WORK.
00:00:45AND IT'S REALLY A GOOD
RELATIONSHIP AND I'M THINKING
00:00:48ABOUT WRAPPING IT UP I'M FOND OF
SAYING THAT A GOOD LAWYER KNOWS
00:00:52THE LAW AGREE OR KNOWS WHEN TO
QUIT.
00:00:54HE LEFT IN LATE 0 2.
00:00:56YOU EVER MISS BEING ON THE
COURT.
00:01:00SOME DAYS I DO.
00:01:01WHEN I READ SOME OF YOUR
DECISIONS YOUR AND ME THE
00:01:04COURT'S DECISIONS BECAUSE I
RECOGNIZE THAT IT WAS SUCH AN
00:01:08INTELLECTUAL FEAST THAT THE
ISSUES OF THE DAY OR SOMETHING
00:01:13THAT 11 1/2 MILLION PEOPLE IN
OHIO WERE BOUND BY WHEN YOU
00:01:17WROTE AND THE CASES ARE ALWAYS
IMPORTANT.
00:01:21AND ALL I CAN SAY IS GOD BLESS
YOU.
00:01:24WHO ARE THERE NOW AND THOSE WHO
WILL FOLLOW.
00:01:27THAT'S TRUE.
00:01:28NOW LET'S GO BACK TO YOUR
BEGINNINGS.
00:01:30TELL US ABOUT GROWING UP WAS
BORN IN THE CITY OF TOLEDO IN
00:01:36THE POOREST NEIGHBORHOOD IN
TOLEDO.
00:01:39I WAS BORN OF IMMIGRANT PARENTS
DURING THE DEPRESSION WE
00:01:43OBVIOUSLY HAD NO FINANCIAL
WHEREWITHAL BUT EDUCATION AND
00:01:48OUR HOME WAS VERY IMPORTANT.
00:01:51MY FATHER WAS A MINISTER.
00:01:53BOTH MY PARENTS CAME FROM
SCOTLAND AS DID MY ELDEST SISTER
00:01:58SO WE WENT THROUGH SCHOOL AND
I'D LIKE TO THINK BACK TO THOSE
00:02:04DAYS BECAUSE ONLY IN AMERICA
COULD THAT HAPPEN YOU ARISE
00:02:07FROMST.
00:02:08JOHN'S ST D ST IN TOLEDO OHIO TO
THE SUPREME COURT OF OHIO.
00:02:13I KNOW YOUR PRIVATE PRACTICE BUT
YOU ALSO SERVED ON CITY COUNCIL
00:02:16FOR QUITE A WHILE.
00:02:17TOLEDO CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT
THAT.
00:02:19YES SIR.
00:02:20WHEN I FINISHED LAW SCHOOL I HAD
TO BE IN 1960.
00:02:26I RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL IN 61
1961 AND IT WAS INTERESTING.
00:02:32I WAS A REPUBLICAN AND A VERY
DEMOCRATIC CITY TOLEDO.
00:02:36THERE WERE 32 PEOPLE RUNNING AND
THE REPUBLICAN CHAIRMAN SAID TO
00:02:40ME WELL WE'LL GIVE YOU ENDORSE
BUT YOU CAN'T WIN IT WILL BE
00:02:43GOOD EXPERIENCE.
00:02:44THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT I GREW UP
IN A POOR PART OF THE CITY WHERE
00:02:49I KNEW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I
WORKED AT A KROGER STORE IN THE
00:02:52MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN TOLEDO AND
THAT I MET HORDES AND HORDES OF
00:02:57PEOPLE AND I ENDED UP FIRST IN
THAT ELECTION.
00:02:59AND DID 10 IN 10 ELECTIONS FOR
CITY COUNCIL AFTER THAT.
00:03:05SO I SERVED ON THE CITY COUNCIL
FROM 1961 THROUGH 1980 WHEN I
00:03:11WAS ELECTED TO THE COURT OF
APPEALS THE 6TH DISTRICT 6
00:03:14DISTRICT IS LUCAS COUNTY AND
SURROUNDING AREAS EIGHT COUNTIES
00:03:18IN NORTHWESTERN OHIO.
00:03:19YES SIR.
00:03:20HOW LONG DID YOU ENJOY YOUR
PELOTE TIME.
00:03:22I DID.
00:03:26I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE
DIFFERENCE IN SALARIES WAS GOING
00:03:31TO BE FROM WHAT I WAS MAKING IN
MY LAW PRACTICE COMPARED TO WHAT
00:03:34I WAS MAKING AS A JUDGE.
00:03:36BUT I DID ENJOY IT THERE.
00:03:38BEFORE WE GET ONTO THE SUPREME
COURT YEARS I'VE GOT TO ASK YOU
00:03:41LOOKING OVER YOUR MATERIALS.
00:03:43WHAT'S THE NORTH TOLEDO
OLDTIMERS FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION
00:03:47OF WHICH YOU ARE A TRUSTEE OF
SOMETIME.
00:03:50I WAS WE HAD WE HELPED KIDS AND
I RAISED MONEY FOR THE
00:03:55ORGANIZATION SO THAT WE COULD
GET UNIFORMS FOR KIDS IN THE
00:03:59POOR PART OF THE CITY.
00:04:01YOU KNOW NOBODY CAME AND GAVE US
ANYTHING BACK THEN WE RAISED
00:04:06THAT ALL FOR THE KIDS.
00:04:08WE ORGANIZED THE TEAMS AND
HELPED ADMINISTER THAT
00:04:12ORGANIZATION.
00:04:12IT'S GREAT.
00:04:13YOU SAID PEOPLE CAME TO YOU AND
SAID YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK
00:04:16ABOUT RUNNING FOR THE SUPREME
COURT.
00:04:18AND YOU SAID IT WASN'T ON YOUR
HORIZON.
00:04:20DID YOU EVER PRIOR TO RUNNING
FOR COURT OF APPEALS EVER.
00:04:25SPEIER WAS A LAWYER TO BE ON THE
SUPREME COURT THAT EVER ENTER
00:04:29YOUR MIND.
00:04:30IT DID NOT.
00:04:30NO SIR.
00:04:31WHY NOT.
00:04:32OR WHAT WAS WHAT WAS YOUR GOAL.
00:04:35I GUESS YOU'RE PRACTICING WHEN
YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE I CAME
00:04:38FROM I DIDN'T GO TO A
PRESTIGIOUS LAW SCHOOL LIKE YOUR
00:04:43HONOR DID.
00:04:44UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO WAS A GOOD
LAW SCHOOL AND IS TODAY.
00:04:49BUT YOU HAD TO EITHER GO TO
HARVARD OR YALE OR MICHIGAN OR
00:04:56SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT.
00:04:57GET IN THE SUPREME COURT.
00:04:59AND IN ADDITION TO THAT I CAME
FROM POOR SURROUNDINGS.
00:05:06I WASN'T A PARTICULARLY GOOD
STUDENT BECAUSE I HAD TO WORK
00:05:09ALL DAY AND GO TO SCHOOL ALL
NIGHT.
00:05:10I DON'T KNOW THAT I EVER HAD
THOSE GRAND DOYCE DREAMS.
00:05:15IN FACT MIGHT GO BACK AND TRY
AND SAY TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
00:05:19SOMEBODY SUGGESTED THAT I RUN
FOR THE SUPREME COURT.
00:05:22I THINK IT PROBABLY WAS A LITTLE
STRONGER THAN THAT.
00:05:25OK.
00:05:26I THINK ABOUT IT.
00:05:27WELL I WAS THE LEADING VOTE
GETTER IN THE CITY OF TOLEDO
00:05:31WHEN WHEN I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL
I THINK EIGHT OF THE 10 TIMES I
00:05:38RAN FIRST AND THAT WAS
SIGNIFICANT TO THE DEMOCRATIC
00:05:42COMMUNITY.
00:05:42IF YOU WERE A REPUBLICAN.
00:05:44THEN WHEN I RAN FOR THE COURT OF
APPEALS IN THE EIGHT COUNTIES I
00:05:48GOT MORE VOTES AND GLUCOSE
COUNTY THAN MY OPPONENT GOT IN
00:05:52ALL THE COUNTIES COMBINED FOR A
WHILE.
00:05:54SO THEY WERE LOOKING AROUND FOR
SOMEBODY TO RUN FOR THE COURT
00:05:58BECAUSE THE COURT WAS GOING
THROUGH DIFFICULT TIMES AT THAT
00:06:01TIME AND THE BAR WAS AND THE
JUDGES WERE AND PEOPLE WERE
00:06:05AFRAID.
00:06:06AND I SUSPECT THEY THOUGHT THAT
I WAS DUMB ENOUGH TO TAKE THAT
00:06:11ASSIGNMENT ON BUT THEY CAME
PRETTY MUCH AND TOLD ME I HAD TO
00:06:15DO THIS.
00:06:16I WAS RUNNING AGAINST A MAN BY
THE NAME OF CORRIGAN FROM
00:06:18CLEVELAND WELL-KNOWN NAME UP IN
CLEVELAND WHERE THIRTY SEVEN OUT
00:06:22OF EVERY HUNDRED VOTES ARE CAST.
00:06:24RIGHT.
00:06:25SO IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THERE
WOULD BE MUCH OF A CHANCE TO DO
00:06:27THAT.
00:06:28BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING
EXPERIENCE AND I JUST REMEMBER
00:06:33COMING TO YOUR CITY ON OCCASION
I HAD HARDLY ANYBODY THERE TO
00:06:38TALK TO.
00:06:38BUT DURING THAT ELECTION I PUT
40000 MILES ON MY CAR.
00:06:43CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU MEANT
BY DIFFICULT TIMES FOR THE
00:06:46COURT.
00:06:46THE DISCIPLINARY SYSTEM WAS IN A
MESS.
00:06:50WHEN I GOT TO THE COURT IT WAS
EVEN WORSE THAN I HAD SUPPOSED
00:06:56FOR AS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I
HAD TO CONFRONT WAS THAT THE
00:07:00CHIEF JUSTICE CALLED ME IN AND
SAID THAT NEWSPAPERS WERE BEING
00:07:04VERY VERY DIFFICULT AND VERY BAD
WITH REGARD TO WHAT THEY WERE
00:07:08WRITING ABOUT HIM PARTICULARLY
IN THE COURT AND THE
00:07:11DISCIPLINARY SYSTEM AND THAT HE
WANTED ME TO HELP SPONSOR AN
00:07:19ORDER OF THE COURT IF YOU WILL.
00:07:21RESTRICTING JOURNALISTS SO THEY
COULDN'T REPORT ON THE COURT.
00:07:24I MEAN IT WAS THE MOST ABSURD
THING YOU COULD THINK OF AND I
00:07:29SAID TO HIM WELL YOUR HONOR I
CAN REALLY TELL YOU THAT MY MY
00:07:36BENT IS TO HAVE GOVERNMENT OPEN
AND TRANSPARENT.
00:07:39WHEN DID TOM MOYAR BECOME CHIEF
JUSTICE.
00:07:42WHAT DID FRANK CELEBREZZE LEAVE
IN 1986.
00:07:48TELL ME ABOUT THAT ELECTION.
00:07:49FROM YOUR VIEWPOINT HE CAME TO
SEVERAL OF US AND SAID THAT HE
00:07:54WAS INTERESTED IN RUNNING.
00:07:56WE OF COURSE SAID THAT WE WOULD
ASSIST HIM AND WE DID.
00:08:01IN MATERIAL WAYS WAYS THAT
PROBABLY NOBODY LIVING KNOWS ANY
00:08:10MORE AND THERE WERE ONLY TWO
PEOPLE AND ONE REPORTER THAT
00:08:13KNEW.
00:08:14BUT THE CHIEF JUSTICE THEN WAS
INVOLVED IN SORT OF A MOTHERING
00:08:22OR ANDREEN SCHEME.
00:08:23AND THE PLAIN DEALER CAUGHT
CAUGHT HIM IN A PICTURE WITH
00:08:28TAKING A CHECK FROM SOMEBODY AT
A PARTICULAR FUNDRAISER.
00:08:32AND WE PUT TOGETHER THE FULL
PAGE AD AND PAID FOR IT.
00:08:38IT RAN THROUGHOUT THE STATE
WHICH REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE
00:08:41IN THE ELECTION.
00:08:42CAN YOU SHARE SOME OF YOUR BEST
MEMORIES ON THE COURT.
00:08:45MAYBE SOME OF THE JUSTICES YOU
WORKED WITH AREN'T WITH US ANY
00:08:49LONGER JUST GOOD MEMORIES FROM
THE COURT.
00:08:55I THINK LIKE MOST PEOPLE MY AGE
AS YOU GET OLDER YOU YOU
00:08:59REMEMBER ALL THE GOOD TIMES VERY
FEW OF THE BAD TIMES.
00:09:04EVERY DAY WAS DIFFERENT.
00:09:08WHEN PAUL PEIFFER CAME TO MY
OFFICE AND SAID I DON'T REALLY
00:09:12WANT TO BE ON THE SUPREME COURT
DO I SHOULDN'T RUN.
00:09:14AND I SAID YES YOU SHOULD.
00:09:16I SAID BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY AN
INTELLECTUAL FEAST.
00:09:19NOT ONLY DO YOU NOT ONLY AM I
TELL YOU YOU DO SOMETHING
00:09:24DIFFERENT EVERY DAY.
00:09:25AS YOU WELL KNOW YOU'RE DOING
SOMETHING DIFFERENT EVERY HOUR
00:09:28OF EVERY DAY.
00:09:29COULD YOU TELL THE VIEWERS WHAT
THERE WERE SERIES OF THEM.
00:09:32I KNOW YOU'RE INVOLVED AT LEAST
THE FIRST THREE MAYBE FOUR WHAT
00:09:37WERE OFF WAS ABOUT YOU'RE OUT.
00:09:39I WAS INVOLVED AT EVERY ONE OF
THE DROP OFF CASES.
00:09:42I WAS THE ONLY JUSTICE ON THE
COURT THAT WAS IN THE MAJORITY
00:09:45ON ALL FOUR OK.
00:09:47AND THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT.
00:09:49AND I'VE NEVER REALLY HAD A
CHANCE TO ARTICULATE THAT REASON
00:09:52I GUESS BEFORE NOW.
00:09:53SO NOW YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT.
00:09:54I WAS DUBBED AS THE HEAD OF THE
GANG OF FOUR A NEWSPAPER AND TWO
00:09:59WHO DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING
TO MAKE ME THE HEAD OF THE GANG
00:10:02OF FOUR WHO WAS THE GANG OF FOUR
THE GANG OF FOUR WITH THAT TIME
00:10:09THEN JUSTICE REZNICK JUSTICE
PEIFFER JUSTICE SWEETIE AND
00:10:13MYSELF.
00:10:14FRANCIS SWING FRANCIS SWEETIE.
00:10:16I GUESS THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS
ORIGINAL THEY NEVER HEARD THE
00:10:18GANG OF FOUR.
00:10:19IT STARTED IN CHINA CHINA FRIDAY
AND ALL THAT.
00:10:22BUT IN ANY EVENT THE I CAME FROM
A PUBLIC SCHOOL.
00:10:29I KNEW THAT THE EDUCATIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES WERE DETERMINED BY
00:10:35A CHILD'S ZIP CODE AS OPPOSED TO
THE FACT THAT IT SHOULD BE AN
00:10:41EQUAL EQUAL SORT OF EDUCATION.
00:10:45THAT CASE CAME TO US IN 1997 FOR
THE FIRST TIME THE FIRST TIME
00:10:52THERE WAS 11000 PAGES AND THAT
RECORD AND I WENT THROUGH EVERY
00:10:55PAGE AND ALL OF THE DEPOSITIONS
BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO
00:10:59EVERYTHING ELSE IT WAS
FASCINATING WOULDN'T IT.
00:11:02ALEX PERRY COUNTY WAS OUT OF
PERRY COUNTY AND A GREAT GREAT
00:11:05TRIAL JUDGE WITH US AND HE DID A
REALLY GOOD JOB WITH IT.
00:11:10AND JUST TO JUMP AHEAD FOR A
MINUTE.
00:11:12I REMEMBER THE LAWYER FOR THE
500 OR SO SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT
00:11:18WERE THE PLAINTIFFS WHATEVER THE
NUMBER WAS LOOKING AT DIRECTLY
00:11:23AT ME AT THE CORE WHEN I WAS ON
THE COURT AND HE SAID I AM NOT
00:11:27ASKING YOU TO DO THEIR JOB.
00:11:29THE LEGISLATURE'S JOB.
00:11:31I'M ASKING YOU TO DO YOUR JOB.
00:11:35A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER THIS
SYSTEM IS CONSTITUTIONAL.
00:11:39YOUNG PERSON WHO CAME IN THEY
DIDN'T HAVE A DRINKING FOUNTAIN
00:11:43IN THEIR SCHOOL.
00:11:46THEY HAD TO GO ACROSS A BUSY
HIGHWAY TO GET A DRINKING DRINK
00:11:50WHILE THEY WERE IN SCHOOL OF
WATER.
00:11:53ANOTHER SCHOOL HAD A SUMP PUMP
IN THE URINAL AND ELECTRIC
00:12:01FACILITY IN A URINAL.
00:12:04ANOTHER SCHOOL DIDN'T HAVE A
TOILET IN IT.
00:12:10THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS
THAT THAT RECORD REFLECT AND I'M
00:12:12JUST GIVING YOU A SMATTERING OF
IT.
00:12:14THERE WERE THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF THAT KIND
00:12:17OF THING.
00:12:19AND I COULDN'T BRING MYSELF TO
SAY THAT THAT WAS THOROUGH AND
00:12:22EFFICIENT.
00:12:24AND BESIDES THAT IT WASN'T FAIR.
00:12:26SO I DID.
00:12:28I WENT AROUND TO THE OFFICES AND
MY OFFICE WE PREPARED A LONG
00:12:33MINIMAL WHY THIS WAS AN
UNCONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM.
00:12:38AND WE DEVELOPED OUR OPINIONS
OUT OF THAT AND THAT DECISION
00:12:43WAS FOR THREE IT THEN CAME BACK
TO THE FOUR TO THREE TO FIND IT
00:12:48UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
00:12:50THEN THE NEXT TIME IT CAME TO
THE COURT WAS ON SOME OTHER
00:12:53ISSUE.
00:12:54IT AGAIN WAS 43.
00:12:56AND THAT WENT ON FOR A NUMBER OF
YEARS UNTIL CAME TIME FOR ME TO
00:13:04GO OFF THE COURT.
00:13:06I OFTEN THINK I DIDN'T LOSE THAT
CASE.
00:13:09I JUST RAN OUT OF TIME.
00:13:11BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS COLLECTION
OF OTHER PEOPLE TO THE COURT.
00:13:18THEY WERE GOING TO REVERSE ALL
THOSE DECISIONS OVERRULE HIM IF
00:13:22YOU WILL OVERRULE THOSE
DECISIONS AND THEY WOULD HAVE
00:13:25FOUND THAT THE SYSTEM WAS
CONSTITUTIONAL.
00:13:29I WENT TO THE CHIEF JUSTICE AND
TOGETHER WE FASHION A REMEDY
00:13:34WHERE JUSTICE PEIFFER AND I GAVE
UP SOME OF THE THINGS WE
00:13:38BELIEVED IN.
00:13:38HE AND STRATEN GAY GAVE UP SOME
OF THE THINGS THEY BELIEVED IN
00:13:44IN ORDER TO REACH A CONSENSUS SO
THAT I LEFT THE COURT KNOWING
00:13:51THE SYSTEM WAS STILL
UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND WE HAD TOLD
00:13:54THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SOMETHING
THAT WE AVOIDED FOR YEARS
00:13:57TELLING WE SHOULDN'T BE TELLING
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
00:14:01THIS IS HOW YOU SOLVE THIS
PROBLEM.
00:14:03THAT'S THEIR JOB.
00:14:04WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS
TELLING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
00:14:07THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL MAKE IT
CONSTITUTIONAL.
00:14:10YOU HAVE A REPUTATION AROUND
HERE OF MENTORING YOUR LAW
00:14:13CLERKS AND THEY LOVE YOU LET ME
READ.
00:14:17I WANT TO READ WHAT ONE OF THEM
IS.
00:14:20FIRST OF ALL THE AMOUNT OF TIME
YOU SPENT WITH THEM HELPING THEM
00:14:26TO LEARN TO WRITE AND YOUR USE
OF A RED PEN.
00:14:31WHY.
00:14:32WHY SPEND THAT MUCH TIME.
00:14:36I OWE THAT TO THEM.
00:14:37WHY YOU GAVE THEM A JOB THEY
WERE YOUNG LAWYERS EAGER TO EARN
00:14:45MY JOB TO TEACH.
00:14:47YOU ALSO WERE KNOWN TO CARRY A
POCKET CONSTITUTION AND HAND
00:14:51WENT OUT OCCASIONALLY STILL.
00:14:56EXCELLENT.
00:14:56I'VE GOT MINE.
00:14:57GOOD FOR YOU.
00:15:00ABSOLUTELY.
00:15:00GO AHEAD.
00:15:02YOU WAS USING THAT YESTERDAY
WHEN I WAS SPEAKING.
00:15:04ACTUALLY YOU WERE ALWAYS
INTERESTED IN HEARING THE LAW
00:15:07CLERKS FOR USE WHICH IS
SOMETHING I DO HAVE KIND OF A
00:15:11GROUP DISCUSSION.
00:15:13WHY DID YOU DO THAT.
00:15:16THOSE WERE MY HAPPIEST DAYS IN
THE COURT WHEN YOU COULD BRING
00:15:20BRIGHT YOUNG MINDS TOGETHER
LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.
00:15:28IF YOU THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE
WRONG BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE
00:15:30THE LAST VOTE CAPSULE.
00:15:31IT'S LIKE LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS
GOING TO ISSUE THE MANSA PATIENT
00:15:35PROCLAMATION.
00:15:37HE CALLED HIS CABINET IT SAID
GAVE HIM A COPY AND SAID I'M
00:15:40GOING TO ISSUE THIS
PROCLAMATION.
00:15:44THEY ALL READ IT.
00:15:45AND THEN HE WENT AROUND THE ROOM
AND HE SAID WHAT IS YOUR VOTE.
00:15:48SECRETARY OF STATE NAYMR.
00:15:50PRESIDENT SECRETARY WHERE
NAMEMR.
00:15:52PRESIDENT SECRETARY INTERIOR
NAMEMR.
00:15:55PRESIDENT.
00:15:56ALL THE WAY AROUND SAT BACK IN
HIS BIG CHAIR AND SAID THERE ARE
00:15:59SEVEN DAYS AND ONE YAY.
00:16:01AND THE YEAS HAVE IT.
00:16:02TWO OF YOUR CLERKS TOLD ME ABOUT
PICKEN PEACHES TOLIK.
00:16:10TELL THE VIEWERS ABOUT THAT
GOING PICKING PEACHES WITH YOUR
00:16:14CLOTHES.
00:16:15THAT SHIRT UNTIL I DON'T HAVE
ANY CONTROL OVER ANY WORK FOR
00:16:19THIS NIGHT.
00:16:19THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO REVEAL
OUR SECRETS.
00:16:21THERE'S A PEACH FARM OUT IN
JOHNSTOWN OHIO AND I OFTEN
00:16:28GATHER THE QUIRK'S AWAY FROM THE
OFFICE AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT
00:16:31CASES RIGHT IN THE CAR OUT OF A
DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT AND
00:16:35SOMETIMES WE WOULD GO TO A
RESTAURANT AND I'D GET A ROOM
00:16:41AND WE'D TALK ABOUT CASES.
00:16:43JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE
PRESSURES AROUND HERE ALL THE
00:16:47TIME YOU'RE BEING INTERRUPTED
AND ALL THE TIME YOU HAVE TO BE
00:16:52CAREFUL OF EVERYTHING YOU SAY
AND DO.
00:16:54SO I USED TO TAKE THEM OUT ONE
TIME SEVERAL TIMES WHAT THEY DID
00:16:58IS TOOK THEM OUT TO THE PEACH
FARM AND LET THEM TAKE PEACHES
00:17:03AND ALICIA PARTICULARLY HAD A
GRANDMOTHER WHO ALWAYS MADE US
00:17:06APPLE PIE WITH OR A PEACH PIE.
00:17:09SURE.
00:17:10WITH THE PIZZA WE HAVE TO STOP
AT THE KROGER STORE AND GET
00:17:12SUGAR AND STUFF.
00:17:13IT WAS JUST ANOTHER THING THAT
THE CLERKS GOT WE GOT TO DO
00:17:18TOGETHER BECAUSE WHEN YOU LIVE
SO CLOSE TO AN OFFICE LIKE THAT
00:17:22YOU BECOME A FAMILY.
00:17:25LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE SORT OF
NEGATIVE.
00:17:30WHILE YOU'RE IN THE COURT LO
SCUFFLE WITH JUSTICE RIGHT.
00:17:34CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT.
00:17:37FUNNY I GUESS I DON'T REMEMBER
THAT OF COURSE I REMEMBER IT.
00:17:44JUSTICE RIGHT HEAD.
00:17:46HE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF
SO I'M TRYING TO CAREFUL.
00:17:50I WOULD DO THAT TO ANYBODY.
00:17:52NEVER MIND HIM.
00:17:53HE WAS MY FRIEND.
00:17:57AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS HE PLAYED
A LOT OF GOLF.
00:18:05HE WAS GOING ON SOMEBODY PLAYING
THAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GOING
00:18:08ON TO A PRIVATE PLACE IN WEST
VIRGINIA.
00:18:12AND A REPORTER FOUND OUT ABOUT
IT AND A REPORTER CALLED THE
00:18:15PLACE IN WEST VIRGINIA SAYING
I'M GOING TO DO A STORY ON YOUR
00:18:19RESORT THERE.
00:18:20I SAID OH YEAH WE HAVE A LOT OF
FAMOUS PEOPLE FROM OHIO COME UP
00:18:25IN FACT JUST AS RIFLE'S AGES
TEED OFF HERE 10 15 TOMORROW.
00:18:29SO HE PUTS THAT STORY JUST RIGHT
ACCUSE MY SECRETARY OF CRACKING
00:18:35HIS COMPUTER TO GET HIS GOLF
TIMES WHICH WAS RIDICULOUS OF
00:18:40COURSE EVERYTHING WAS PASSWORD.
00:18:41AND BESIDES THAT SHE DIDN'T CARE
AND SHE WOULDN'T DO IT ANYWAY.
00:18:46AND HIS THEORY WAS THAT SHE WAS
THE ONLY ONES SMART ENOUGH TO
00:18:50KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
00:18:51AND OF COURSE WHICH PROBABLY WAS
TRUE AT THAT POINT.
00:18:57SO I WENT TO HER AND I SAID DO
SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SHE SAID
00:19:00SO MUCH YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THIS
STUFF.
00:19:02SHE SAID IT'S ALL PASSWORD.
00:19:04I WOULDN'T DO IT ANYWAY WHY I
WENT WHY DO I EVEN CARE.
00:19:08SO HE PROCEEDED TO SAY TELL
PEOPLE THAT SHE HAD DONE THIS
00:19:12AND JUSTICE REZNICK ASKED ME TO
CALM DOWN HER OFFICE TO EXPLAIN
00:19:18TO HER WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
00:19:20AND I TOLD HER.
00:19:22AND AS CRAIG WAS WANT TO DO HE
BARGED INTO HER OFFICE AND I
00:19:27SAID TO HIM WHY ARE YOU.
00:19:29WHY ARE YOU TELLING THESE LIES
ABOUT SIMIYU.
00:19:33HE SAYS I NEVER SAID THAT.
00:19:35JUSTICE RESINOUS CRAIG YOU TOLD
ME THAT AT LUNCH TODAY AND HE
00:19:38GRABBED IT AND HE KNOCKED ME
DOWN.
00:19:39YOU KNOW I'M THIS BIG AND HE'S
THIS BIG THAT'S 6 3 OR BIGGER 6
00:19:413 AND 2 50 50.
00:19:41GUY ASKED ME DOWN AND HE WAS
READY TO HIT ME.
00:19:48WHEN A LAW CLERK PULLS HIM OFF
AND HE BROKE MY RIBS.
00:19:57OH WOW.
00:19:58AND THE ONLY INTERESTING PART OF
THE STORY IS THAT TO ME IS THAT
00:20:04HIGHWAY PATROL CAME AND TWO
PEOPLE CAME IN AND SAID THIS IS
00:20:08THE THORNIEST HASSAN CURRY NAAG
STATE PROPERTY AND THEREFORE
00:20:14WE'RE READY TO FILE THE
COMPLAINT.
00:20:16THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT IS ALL WE
CAN DO THAT AND THEY SAID WHY
00:20:21NOT.
00:20:21HE SAID HE'S MY FRIEND HE'S A
JUDGE BECAUSE SOME STRANGE
00:20:24FRUIT.
00:20:25BUT HE AND I WERE AS CLOSE AS WE
COULD BE DURING THAT PERIOD OF
00:20:30TIME.
00:20:31WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR LEGACY TO
BE.
00:20:36THAT EVERYBODY THAT HAD THE NEED
OR THE OCCASION TO INVOKE THE
00:20:45NEED OF MY SERVICE GOT A FAIR
SHAKE.
00:20:49MY HEART IS WHERE THE LEGACY IS
THE THOSE WHO REALLY NEEDED
00:20:57HELP.
00:20:59KNEW WHERE TO COME.
00:21:00AND WERE ASSURED THAT AT LEAST
THEY WOULD BE FAIRLY HEARD.
00:21:06ANY ADVICE FOR US.
00:21:07LET'S SAY A YOUNG MAN OR WOMAN
OUT THERE WATCHING THIS OR
00:21:11THINKING WHETHER TO GO TO LAW
SCHOOL OR NOT.
00:21:15ANY ADVICE TO THEM OR TO A NEWLY
MINTED LAWYER.
00:21:18EITHER WAY MY ANSWER WOULD BE DO
IT AND I WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE
00:21:24WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU LAY
YOUR HEAD ON THE PILLOW AT NIGHT
00:21:31YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY THANK YOU
LORD.
00:21:35TODAY I WAS ABLE TO HELP
SOMEBODY AND WELL DONE AND THANK
00:21:39YOU FOR COMING.
00:21:40THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
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