00:00:37 | >> OHIO COULD ONCE AGAIN BE CENTER STAGE BEFORE THE |
00:00:41 | REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION, AS THE STATE WAS FOUR YEARS AGO. |
00:00:44 | BIG NEWS RELATED TO THE FALL BALLOT, WITH LESS THAN 90 DAYS |
00:00:47 | TO GO. AND POLITICAL ISSUES BRING IN |
00:00:50 | FIGHTERS FROM ALL SIDES - AND MAKE SOME UNLIKELY ALLIES. |
00:00:52 | LEADERS FROM ORGANIZATIONS ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT TALK |
00:00:57 | ABOUT HOW THEY'RE TEAMING UP TO BATTLE ONE OF GOV. KASICH'S |
00:01:01 | KEYSTONE PROGRAMS. ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF |
00:01:03 | OHIO". >> |
00:01:10 | NEXT WEEK COULD BE A HUGE ONE IN OHIO POLITICS. |
00:01:12 | REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER MITT ROMNEY WILL |
00:01:15 | BRING A BUS TOUR THROUGH VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA, |
00:01:17 | FLORIDA AND ENDING IN OHIO. AND IT CERTAINLY ISN'T GOING |
00:01:19 | UNNOTICED THAT HE PLANS TO BE IN CHILLICOTHE ON TUESDAY, WITH |
00:01:20 | US SENATOR ROB PORTMAN OF OHIO ALONGSIDE HIM. |
00:01:24 | CHILLICOTHE IS ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE PROFILED |
00:01:29 | AS BELLWEATHER TOWNS IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEARS. |
00:01:30 | AND OF COURSE PORTMAN IS CONSIDERED AT OR NEAR THE TOP |
00:01:34 | OF ROMNEY'S LIST OF POTENTIAL RUNNING MATES. |
00:01:36 | PUNDITS EXPECT ROMNEY TO MAKE HIS ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT HIS |
00:01:40 | CHOICE FOR VICE PRESIDENT AFTER THE OLYMPICS END ON SUNDAY BUT |
00:01:45 | BEFORE THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION BEGINS ON AUGUST 27. |
00:01:47 | AND SOME WILL NOTE THAT JOHN MCCAIN INTRODUCED SARAH PALIN |
00:01:51 | AS HIS RUNNING MATE IN AN APPEARANCE IN DAYTON IN AUGUST |
00:01:55 | 2008. MEANWHILE, THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN |
00:01:58 | IS URGING PEOPLE TO TELL STORIES ABOUT ROB PORTMAN'S |
00:02:00 | "REAL RECORD." AN ONLINE APPEAL -- COMPLETE |
00:02:04 | WITH A FORM TO SUBMIT STORIES -- STATES THAT OHIOANS SHOULD |
00:02:06 | TELL WHAT THEY THINK AMERICANS "NEED TO KNOW" ABOUT PORTMAN. |
00:02:09 | PORTMAN IS THE FORMER WHITE HOUSE BUDGET DIRECTOR UNDER |
00:02:13 | PRESIDENT BUSH. AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL |
00:02:17 | COMMITTEE HAS ANNOUNCED IT WILL ROLL OUT ITS OWN BUS TOUR TO |
00:02:20 | STALK ROMNEY'S CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS CALLING ITSELF "THE ROMNEY |
00:02:23 | PLAN FOR A STRONGER MIDDLE CLASS." |
00:02:25 | THE DEMOCRATS' TOUR IS CALLING ITSELF "ROMNEY ECONOMICS - THE |
00:02:29 | MIDDLE CLASS UNDER THE BUS." THIS WEEK WAS A TOUGH ONE FOR |
00:02:33 | SCHOOL DISTRICTS WITH LEVIES ON THE SPECIAL ELECTION BALLOT. |
00:02:35 | 70 PERCENT OF THOSE SCHOOL ISSUES FAILED - 25 WERE |
00:02:40 | REJECTED, 10 PASSED, AND ONE WAS PULLED FROM THE BALLOT. |
00:02:42 | ANALYSTS SAY THAT'S NOT UNEXPECTED, AS VOTERS TEND TO |
00:02:47 | REJECT TAX QUESTIONS WHEN THE ECONOMY IS SLOW. |
00:02:48 | THAT LEAVES DISTRICTS SUCH AS CLEVELAND, TOLEDO AND AKRON |
00:02:53 | WONDERING ABOUT THEIR LEVIES' CHANCES ON THIS FALL'S BALLOT. |
00:02:55 | SPEAKING OF THIS FALL'S VOTE, THOSE WHO WANT TO CAST BALLOTS |
00:03:01 | BUT NEED TO UPDATE THEIR ADDRESSES CAN NOW DO SO ONLINE. |
00:03:03 | SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN HUSTED SAYS THAT THE MOVE TO ONLINE |
00:03:07 | ADDRESS CHANGES SHOULD HELP VOTERS MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF |
00:03:11 | BEING REGISTERED AT THEIR CURRENT ADDRESS 30 DAYS BEFORE |
00:03:14 | AN ELECTION. HUSTED SAYS IT WILL IMPROVE THE |
00:03:17 | SECURITY OF VOTER ROLLS, LEAVING LESS ROOM FOR FRAUD, AND |
00:03:19 | COULD SAVE TAX DOLLARS BY REDUCING THE WORKLOAD AT COUNTY |
00:03:23 | ELECTIONS OFFICES. VOTERS CAN UPDATE THEIR |
00:03:29 | INFORMATION AT WWW.MYOHIOVOTE.COM. |
00:03:30 | AND THERE WILL BE AT LEAST ONE STATEWIDE ISSUE ON THIS FALL'S |
00:03:35 | BALLOT. THE GROUP VOTERS FIRST HAS |
00:03:37 | FILED ENOUGH VALID SIGNATURES TO GET ONTO THE BALLOT A PROPOSAL |
00:03:38 | TO CREATE A 12 MEMBER CITIZENS' COMMISSION TO DRAW THE DISTRICT |
00:03:42 | LINES FOR STATE AND FEDERAL LAWMAKERS. |
00:03:43 | THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE OHIO STATE BAR ASSOCIATION AND |
00:03:47 | A GROUP CALLED PROTECT YOUR VOTE OHIO ARE FIGHTING THE |
00:03:51 | AMENDMENT. IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG FOR A |
00:03:54 | REPORT FROM THE INSPECTOR GENERAL ABOUT STATE SCHOOLS |
00:03:57 | SUPERINTENDENT STAN HEFFNER TO CREATE A BIG CHANGE AT THE |
00:03:59 | DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. THE REPORT FROM IG RANDALL |
00:04:04 | MEYER FOUND THAT HEFFNER WAS ON THE PAYROLL OF A TEXAS-BASED |
00:04:06 | TESTING FIRM WHEN HE LOBBIED STATE LAWMAKERS LAST YEAR ON A |
00:04:08 | BILL THAT BENEFITED THE COMPANY. THE REPORT ALSO FOUND HEFFNER |
00:04:13 | MISUSED HIS STATE EMAIL, CELLPHONE, AND STAFF TO PURSUE |
00:04:17 | THE TESTING JOB. OVER THE WEEKEND, HEFFNER |
00:04:21 | ANNOUNCED HIS RESIGNATION, WHICH WAS EFFECTIVE ON FRIDAY. |
00:04:22 | HE GAVE NO REASON FOR HIS SUDDEN DEPARTURE, BUT GOV. |
00:04:26 | JOHN KASICH SAID IT WAS THE RIGHT MOVE CONSIDERING WHAT HE |
00:04:30 | CALLED "MISTAKES IN JUDGMENT." THIS WAS A BIG YEAR AT THE OHIO |
00:04:33 | STATE FAIR. ATTENDANCE FOR THE 159TH FAIR, |
00:04:36 | WHICH ENDED ON AUGUST 5, TOPPED 840-THOUSAND. |
00:04:40 | THAT'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 1 PERCENT OVER LAST YEAR AND THE |
00:04:43 | LARGEST ATTENDANCE FIGURE SINCE 2004. |
00:04:45 | AND THE OHIO STATE FAIR SALE OF CHAMPIONS LIVESTOCK AUCTION |
00:04:50 | RAISED NEARLY A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR YOUTH |
00:04:53 | SCHOLARSHIPS AND PROGRAMS - THAT'S A RECORD. |
00:04:55 | THE AUCTION ON THE FAIR'S FINAL DAY SUNDAY INCLUDED THE SALE OF |
00:05:00 | YOUTH-RAISED CHICKENS, LAMBS, PIGS, COWS, GOATS, FOWL, AND |
00:05:02 | EVEN SWISS CHEESE. THIS YEAR'S SALE BROKE SEVEN |
00:05:05 | INDIVIDUAL AUCTION RECORDS. EXHIBITORS KEEP SOME OF THE |
00:05:09 | MONEY, WITH THE REST GOING TO THE FAIR'S YOUTH RESERVE |
00:05:12 | PROGRAM. SINCE 1995 THE PROGRAM HAS |
00:05:14 | AWARDED MORE THAN 28,000 YOUTH EXHIBITORS MORE THAN $2 MILLION. |
00:05:17 | POLITICS BRINGS TOGETHER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NORMALLY NOT HANG OUT |
00:05:23 | ON THE WEEKENDS - FOR INSTANCE, IN THE PAST, CONSERVATIVE AND |
00:05:28 | LIBERAL CHURCHES HAVE TEAMED UP WITH BARS AND HORSERACING |
00:05:30 | TRACKS TO FIGHT CASINOS. THERE'S ANOTHER UNLIKELY |
00:05:34 | TEAMING UP GOING ON, TO TAKE THE BATTLE OVER WHETHER THE PUBLIC- |
00:05:36 | PRIVATE ENTITY JOBSOHIO IS A LEGAL, CONSTITUTIONAL CREATION |
00:05:39 | TO THE OHIO SUPREME COURT. THE DEMOCRAT AND UNION-BACKED |
00:05:44 | GROUP PROGRESS OHIO HAS HAD LAWSUIT AGAINST JOBSOHIO TOSSED |
00:05:48 | OUT OF TWO COURTS, ON THE GROUNDS THAT THE GROUP HAD NO |
00:05:51 | STANDING TO SUE. THAT RULING HAS RAISED THE |
00:05:54 | HACKLES OF THE TEA PARTY BACKED GROUP THE 1851 CENTER FOR |
00:05:57 | CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, AN OFFSHOOT OF THE CONSERVATIVE BUCKEYE |
00:06:03 | INSTITUTE. ACTIVISTS FROM THAT GROUP ARE |
00:06:05 | NOW JOINING PROGRESS OHIO IN ASKING THE STATE'S HIGH COURT TO |
00:06:07 | HEAR THEIR ARGUMENTS OVER JOBSOHIO. |
00:06:09 | AND THE LAWSUIT GOT A NEW PUSH THIS WEEK, WHEN IT WAS |
00:06:15 | ANNOUNCED THAT COMMERCE DIRECTOR DAVID GOODMAN REFUSED TO SIGN |
00:06:19 | THE JOBSOHIO TRANSFER AGREEMENT UNTIL THE OHIO SUPREME COURT |
00:06:23 | RULES ON CONSTITUTIONALITY. GOODMAN SAYS HE'S CONFIDENT THE |
00:06:27 | PROGRAM IS LEGAL, BUT SAYS IT'S NOT HIS CALL TO MAKE. |
00:06:30 | HERE TO TALK ABOUT THEIR UNUSUAL PARTNERSHIP ARE BRIAN |
00:06:34 | ROTHENBERG FROM PROGRESS OHIO AND MAURICE THOMPSON FROM THE |
00:06:37 | 1851 CENTER FOR CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. |
00:06:38 | HOW DID THIS TEAMING UP HAPPEN, WHO CAME TO WHOM AND SAID LET'S |
00:06:47 | WORK TOGETHER TO GET OUR COMMON INTERESTS BEFORE THE OF OUR |
00:06:51 | SUPREME COURT? >> MAURICE SEND ME AN E-MAIL, |
00:06:55 | AND I SENT IT TO THE ATTORNEYS TO LOOK AT. |
00:06:57 | THE KEY THING HERE IS THIS IS LARGER THAN JOBSOHIO, ALTHOUGH I |
00:07:03 | HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT JOBSOHIO. THIS CASE SAYS THAT NOBODY HAS |
00:07:10 | THE RIGHT TO SUE OVER AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION. |
00:07:13 | THERE IS NO COURT THAT HAS RULED ON JOBSOHIO. |
00:07:17 | BUT THEY HAVE SAID IS WE DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUE. |
00:07:20 | BASICALLY, WHAT IT SAYS IS YOU COULD HAVE AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL |
00:07:26 | PROVISION OUT THERE AND NO ONE CAN SUE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS |
00:07:28 | CONSTITUTIONAL. WHEN YOU'RE CONSTITUTION IS NOT |
00:07:31 | IN TREADS, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? >> I KNOW YOU ARE CONCERNED |
00:07:37 | ABOUT THAT. >> I READ THE DECISION IN THE |
00:07:40 | CASE. I WAS SHOCKED BY THE NATURE OF |
00:07:43 | THE DECISION BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SLOWLY DRIFTING AWAY FROM |
00:07:47 | TAXPAYERS STANDING IN THE OHIO OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO. |
00:07:51 | EACH CASE HAS GOT WORSE AND WORSE, TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS |
00:07:54 | SLAMMING THE DOOR ON THE OHIOANS DEFENDING THEIR CONSTITUTION IN |
00:07:58 | COURT. THIS WAS THE CASE THAT TOOK THE |
00:08:01 | CAKE. IT WAS THE WORST CASE OF |
00:08:03 | STANDING I HAVE READ. IT PAID NO HOMAGE TO THE OHIO |
00:08:07 | CONSTITUTION, ALL BIG KNOWLEDGE IN THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION, |
00:08:11 | WHICH IS A PROBLEM. THE TWO ARE DIFFERENT OF |
00:08:14 | STANDING. AS SOON AS I READ THE CASE, I |
00:08:17 | FOUND BRIAN'S E-MAIL ADDRESS. I ONLY HAVE THAT BECAUSE I WAS |
00:08:22 | CC'ED ON A MESSAGE THAT HE SAID. I SAID, WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN |
00:08:31 | TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. |
00:08:34 | THE DECISION CANNOT STAND AS IT IS. |
00:08:37 | >> THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT |
00:08:40 | THIS BRAND. YOU HOSTED THE CONSERVE THEIR |
00:08:43 | ROUNDTABLE WHEN THEY CAME DOWN TO COLUMBUS TO REACT TO A |
00:08:46 | LAWSUIT IN WHICH THEY HAD SUED OVER THE RACINOS. |
00:08:51 | THAT CASE WAS ALSO THROWN OUT OF COURT FOR LACK OF STANDING. |
00:08:57 | >> A VERY CONSERVATIVE GROUP. WE AGREE WITH THEM AS WELL ABOUT |
00:09:04 | THE CONCERNS OVER THE LOTTERY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN A LOT AREA |
00:09:08 | ALLOWING THESE GAMES OF CHANCE HAPPENING AT THE RACETRACKS. |
00:09:11 | IT WAS NOT ALLOWED WHEN WE VOTE AND THEN IN, BUT NOW IS A |
00:09:14 | COMFORTABLE TO HAVE THESE SLOT MACHINE-TYPE ACTIVITIES GOING ON |
00:09:19 | AT THE RACETRACKS. WHY? |
00:09:21 | BECAUSE THERE WAS A WAY TO GET AROUND THE CONSTITUTION. |
00:09:23 | THIS IS NOT JUST A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC OR PROGRESSIVE, IN MY |
00:09:29 | CASE, OR CONSERVATIVE ISSUE. THIS IS ABOUT THE INABILITY FOR |
00:09:37 | ANYONE TO SUE OVER UNCONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS. |
00:09:40 | IN THE CASE OF JOBSOHIO, IT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE. |
00:09:43 | WHAT THEY WROTE INTO THE LEGISLATION IS THAT YOU HAD TO |
00:09:47 | SUE WITHIN 90 DAYS. IN ORDER TO HAVE STANDING YOU |
00:09:50 | HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW HARM. JOBSOHIO DID NOT EXIST BECAUSE |
00:09:55 | IT WAS NOT CREATED AFTER 90 DAYS. |
00:09:57 | IF YOU CANNOT SUE AFTER 90 DAYS, WHEN JOBSOHIO EXISTED, THERE IS |
00:10:03 | NO WAY TO HAVE STANDING. >> THE IDEA OF STANDING, IF |
00:10:08 | ANYBODY HAS STANDING, THEN EVERYONE HAS STANDING. |
00:10:11 | COULDN'T THAT BRING THE WHOLE STATE GOVERNMENT TO A HALT IF |
00:10:16 | ANYBODY CAN SUE OVER A PROGRAM THEY DO NOT LIKE, BILL THEY |
00:10:20 | DISAGREE WITH? >> NOT REALLY. |
00:10:23 | THE SPECIAL THING ABOUT THIS CASE IS IT IS UNIQUE. |
00:10:26 | A NORMAL CASE WHERE YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ARE THE PROPERTY RIGHTS |
00:10:31 | CASE. DEMOLISH A HOUSE OR REGULATE A |
00:10:35 | PIECE OF PROPERTY. THE STANDING RULE SAYS PERSON |
00:10:37 | A'S PROPERTY IS BEING REGULATED. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT PERSON |
00:10:43 | BE'S CAN BRING A LAWSUIT ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY. |
00:10:45 | WHEN WE GET INTO TROUBLE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STANDING, |
00:10:51 | PARTICULARLY IN THE OHIO CONSTITUTION, WE HAVE THESE |
00:10:54 | UNIQUE PROVISIONS IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT PREVENTS |
00:10:56 | THINGS LIKE THE AUTO BAILOUT FOR THE BANK BAILOUT. |
00:10:59 | IT PROHIBITS CORPORATE WELFARE, SPENDING IN AID TO PRIVATE |
00:11:04 | CORPORATIONS, SPENDING BEYOND CERTAIN DEBT LIMITS. |
00:11:05 | THE QUESTION IS WHO IS REALLY HARMED BY THAT AND TO HAVE |
00:11:09 | STANDING TO ENFORCE THAT? IT USED TO BE THE CASE IN OHIO |
00:11:13 | CONSISTENTLY THAT EVERYBODY HAD A PERSONAL STAKE AS IT WAS |
00:11:17 | CONSIDERED AN ENFORCEMENT OF THE STATE CONSTITUTION. |
00:11:20 | LIVING UNDER A GOVERNMENT THAT IT APPEARS TO THAT. |
00:11:24 | I DO NOT THINK IT OPENED THE FLOODGATES IT EVERY OHIO CAN |
00:11:28 | DETECT THESE THREE PROVISIONS IN THE ARTICLE 8 AND ARTICLE 13. |
00:11:32 | YOU HAVE STOOD UP TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GET TO COURT AND |
00:11:36 | YOU HAVE TO CARE ENOUGH TO BRING A MERITORIOUS CASE. |
00:11:39 | I THINK THE FLOODGATES ARGUMENT IS MORE OF A UTILITARIAN |
00:11:46 | ARGUMENT. WE SEE JUDGES MAKING THIS |
00:11:48 | ARGUMENT, THERE WOULD BE TOO MANY CASES. |
00:11:51 | IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF CASES IN COURT. |
00:11:54 | THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO |
00:11:57 | APPLY YOUR VALUE JUDGMENT TO A BUNCH OF CASES IN COURT. |
00:12:01 | WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS ENFORCE ITS TERMS. |
00:12:04 | THESE JUDGES HAVE TAKEN A BLACK MAGIC MARKER AND ESSENTIALLY |
00:12:10 | REDACTED ARTICLE 8 AND ARTICLE 13 OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION |
00:12:13 | BECAUSE IF PROGRESS OHIO CANNOT ENFORCE THOSE TERMS IN THIS |
00:12:17 | CASE, THEN NO OHIOAN HAS A STAKE TO DO THAT EVER. |
00:12:23 | >> IS THIS LACK OF STANDING A GROWING ISSUE? |
00:12:26 | >> YES, AND IT IS A GROWING PROBLEM. |
00:12:30 | WHEN YOU HAVE A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT IN THE |
00:12:35 | CONSTITUTION, AND YOU HAVE REASONS FOR THE PROVISION TO BE |
00:12:38 | PUT IN PLACE -- WHEN THE CANALS WERE BUILT, THERE WAS A HUGE |
00:12:43 | SCANDAL GOING ON WITH THE CORPORATIONS, WHICH IS WHY THEY |
00:12:47 | ENACTED THESE LAWS TO NOT ALLOW PRIVATE MONEY IN A PUBLIC |
00:12:50 | INSTITUTION. SUDDENLY, THE COURT HAS NEVER |
00:12:53 | RULED ON THAT PROVISION. IT BASICALLY SAID YOU CANNOT |
00:12:58 | SUE. WHAT GOOD IS THE PROVISION IN |
00:13:01 | THE CONSTITUTION IF YOU CANNOT SUE TO MAKE SURE IT IS UPHELD? |
00:13:03 | >> YOU AGREE THAT JOBSOHIO ITSELF IS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL |
00:13:10 | ENTITY, ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE GIVEN ZERO REASONS FOR FEELING THAT. |
00:13:14 | >> LET ME CHECK YOU A LITTLE BIT ON THAT STATEMENT. |
00:13:16 | AT THIS POINT, WE ARE AGNOSTIC AS TO WHETHER JOBSOHIO IS |
00:13:22 | CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT. OUR POSITION IS A STRONG ONE IN |
00:13:25 | SUPPORT OF PROGRESS OHIO, AND WE ARE ANALYZING THEIR CLAIMS ON |
00:13:29 | JOBSOHIO. LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND |
00:13:33 | THE CONSTITUTION ARE SUSPICIOUS OF JOBSOHIO, HAVE HAD THAT |
00:13:36 | SUSPICION FROM THE BEGINNING, AND THAT INCLUDES OUR GROUP. |
00:13:39 | AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT TAKEN A POSITION ON THE MERITS. |
00:13:45 | >> SO IT GOES TO THE SUPREME COURT, YOU WILL NOT NECESSARILY |
00:13:49 | BE ON JOBSOHIO SIDE? >> WE WILL SEE WHAT ISSUES THE |
00:13:54 | COURT ACCEPTS. WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR RIGHT |
00:13:56 | TO BE IN COURT. WE WILL LOOK AT HOW GOOD THEIR |
00:14:00 | ARGUMENT IS. IF THE COURT TAKES THOSE ISSUES. |
00:14:03 | >> RYAN, YOU BELIEVE THIS IS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL EXERCISE. |
00:14:08 | >> THE FACT IS, THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT ALLOW FOR PUBLIC MONEY |
00:14:11 | IN A PRIVATE CORPORATION. JOBSOHIO IS A PRIVATE |
00:14:15 | CORPORATION. THAT IS THE MAIN ISSUE HERE. |
00:14:17 | THEY CANNOT GET AROUND IT, SO INSTEAD THEY ARE PLANNING LEGAL |
00:14:23 | INJUDICIOUS -- JUDICIAL GAMES TO NEVER HAVE A COURT RULING ON |
00:14:26 | WHETHER IT IS LEGAL OR NOT. RIGHT NOW I JUST WANT THEM TO |
00:14:29 | RULE. FOR ONE THING, WE HAVE ALL KINDS |
00:14:33 | OF TAX MONEY, ALL KINDS OF LIQUOR MONEY TRANSFERS, OTHER |
00:14:37 | MONEY IS NOW COMING IN FROM THE THIRD FRONTIER AND OTHER WAYS |
00:14:41 | NOW FLOWING THROUGH JOBSOHIO, AND NOW THEY'RE GIVING IT TO |
00:14:45 | REGIONAL CORPORATIONS. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS |
00:14:49 | WITH LITTLE OVERSIGHT. >> YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTNERSHIP |
00:14:52 | AND YOU THINK, IS THERE HOPE FOR BIPARTISANSHIP? |
00:14:54 | YOU ARE BOTH SO FAR ON THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVES, YOU HAVE MET ON |
00:15:02 | THE OTHER SIDE. DO YOU BRING HOPE FOR |
00:15:03 | BIPARTISANSHIP OR ARE YOU JUST SO EXCITING THAT YOU HAVE MET ON |
00:15:07 | THE FAR END? >> CORPORATE WELFARE AS AN |
00:15:10 | ISSUE, WHERE THAT CIRCLE IS A BETTER ILLUSTRATION THAN THE |
00:15:14 | CONTINUUM OF POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY, WE ARE VERY |
00:15:20 | LIBERTARIAN. WE THINK GOVERNMENT SHOULD TREAT |
00:15:22 | PEOPLE EQUALLY. WE DO NOTHING THEY SHOULD |
00:15:26 | REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH. WE DISAGREE ON THOSE ISSUES, BUT |
00:15:30 | WHERE IT COMES BACK AROUND, WHERE THEY ARE RISK -- READ |
00:15:33 | DISTRIBUTING WEALTH TO CERTAIN POPULATION GROUPS. |
00:15:35 | THE REASON FOR NO KIND OF REDISTRIBUTION. |
00:15:39 | IT -- WE SUPPORT THE KIND OF REDISTRIBUTION. |
00:15:46 | WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GO THE OTHER WAY. |
00:15:49 | INSTEAD OF THIS BURGEONING PRIVATE CORPORATION THAT IS |
00:15:53 | GOING TO PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS IN THE MARKETPLACE WITH |
00:15:56 | PUBLIC MONEY, WHAT WE WANT IS LOWER TAX RATES ACROSS THE |
00:16:00 | BOARD, FOR BIG BUSINESSES AND SMALL BUSINESSES. |
00:16:03 | CREED AND LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO SUCCEED ON |
00:16:07 | THEIR OWN MERITS, INSTEAD OF A HELPING HAND FROM BIG BROTHER. |
00:16:11 | >> WHAT WE WANT IS ACTUALLY NOT HAVING ANYONE PICK OR CHOOSE |
00:16:15 | ANYMORE WITH THESE THINGS. WE AGREE ON TRANSPARENCY ISSUES. |
00:16:20 | THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME PROGRESS OF OHIO HAS WORKED WITH |
00:16:24 | GROUPS ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE. WE HAVE ALSO BEEN OPPOSED TO |
00:16:29 | CASINO GAMING. A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES THAT WE |
00:16:32 | JOINED IN. THE IMPORTANT THING HERE IS THAT |
00:16:34 | YOU KEEP A DIALOGUE WITH PEOPLE, EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM |
00:16:38 | AT CERTAIN TIMES. HAS MORE REECE AND I HAVE TALKED |
00:16:40 | ABOUT, SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT WERE OPPOSED TO THE WAR THAT I |
00:16:44 | WORKED WITH, BACK IN 2006, WHEN WE WERE OPPOSING ESCALATION IN |
00:16:50 | IRAQ, WHEN I TALK TO TEA PARTY PLACES, MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE |
00:16:56 | THAT WORK WITH ME ON THE ANTI- WERE STOPPED COME OVER AND TALK |
00:17:00 | TO ME. IT IS A GENERATIONAL THING, I |
00:17:03 | THINK. I AM PLEASED THAT HE CAN REACH |
00:17:06 | ACROSS THE AISLE AND DO THIS, BUT BACK IN THE 1980'S AND |
00:17:10 | 9090'S WHEN I FIRST CAME DOWN HERE, YOU WERE ABLE TO TALK WITH |
00:17:15 | PEOPLE THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH. IT IS MUCH MORE POLARIZED IN |
00:17:20 | THIS TOWN NOW, AS IT IS IN WASHINGTON. |
00:17:21 | >> ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS, DEFENDING THE STATE CONSTITUTION |
00:17:27 | IS SO MUCH LARGER THAN ANYO ONE POLITICAL ISSUE OR PERSON. |
00:17:33 | ARTICLE 8 AND ARTICLE 13 COMPANIES ARE IMPORTANT |
00:17:39 | STRUCTURAL LIMITATIONS ON GOVERNMENT THAT DEFEND US FROM A |
00:17:42 | RUNAWAY GOVERNMENT, WHICH WE THINK WE HAVE THE FEDERAL |
00:17:46 | GOVERNMENT. THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN AROUND |
00:17:48 | FOR 160 YEARS. WE HOPE IT CAN BE AROUND FOR |
00:17:51 | ANOTHER 160 YEARS. IF WE CANNOT GET THESE THINGS |
00:17:56 | UNDER CONTROL, THAN ANY ADMINISTRATION COULD USE THESE |
00:17:58 | POWERS IN THE FUTURE, TOO. THIS IS NOT A REPUBLICAN VERSUS |
00:18:03 | DEMOCRAT THING. THESE ARE STRUCTURAL PROVISIONS |
00:18:06 | THAT PROTECT US ALL AND ARE BIGGER THAN ANY ONE PUBLIC |
00:18:10 | OFFICIAL. >> WHILE YOU ARE HERE, I WANT TO |
00:18:14 | ASK SOME QUESTIONS ON THINGS YOU DO NOT NECESSARILY AGREE ON. |
00:18:16 | BRIAN, ARE YOU IN A POSITION TO TAKE ANY ACTION WITH REGARD TO |
00:18:23 | WHAT THE STATE IS DOING ABOUT STEPPING UP A STATE INSURANCE |
00:18:27 | EXCHANGE, WHICH IS IN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT? |
00:18:31 | MAURICE, YOU SAID THAT YOU MIGHT SUE FOR WHAT THE STATE DID UNDER |
00:18:37 | THE HEALTH CARE MANDATE. >> WE ARE ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF |
00:18:41 | THIS. I HAD BEEN ENCOURAGED BY THE |
00:18:44 | GOVERNOR'S STATEMENTS THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERING THE MEDICAID |
00:18:48 | EXPANSION. GREAT MOVIE FROM THE OFFICE. |
00:18:52 | I AM ENCOURAGED BY THAT. WHEN I AM DISTURBED ABOUT IS, IT |
00:18:57 | SEEMS LIKE OUR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WOULD RATHER PLAY |
00:18:59 | POLITICS ON THIS ISSUE AND IS TAKING A POLITICAL STANCE, USING |
00:19:04 | INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A DIVIDING THE |
00:19:09 | GOVERNOR'S OFFICE BECAUSE OF THAT. |
00:19:11 | I REALLY WISH THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS |
00:19:14 | IS ABOUT PEOPLE'S HEALTH. IT IS ABOUT GIVING A OHIOANS OF |
00:19:20 | SAY AND WRITE IN HOW THIS WILL BE DESIGNED AND WORK, INSTEAD OF |
00:19:25 | PLAYING PURE POLITICAL GAMES BECAUSE OF THIS POLITICAL |
00:19:27 | SEASON. >> OF COURSE, WE DO NOT AGREE |
00:19:31 | WITH ANY OF THAT AT ALL. THE ISSUE WITH THE STATE-RUN |
00:19:36 | EXCHANGES TO FOR A HIGH WINDS. THE REASON IS NOT A POLITICAL |
00:19:38 | ISSUE OR ABOUT STATE AUTONOMY IS THAT WHEN A STATE RUNS -- SIGNS |
00:19:44 | UP FOR AN OBAMACARE EXCHANGE, DECIDED TO BE SUBJECT TO ANY LAW |
00:19:48 | OR REGULATION PASSED BY HHS AND KATHLEEN SEBELIUS. |
00:19:53 | ESSENTIALLY, THE STATE WOULD BE SERVING US UP ON A SILVER |
00:19:57 | PLATTER TO ANY KIND OF REGULATION IN RESPECT OF OF |
00:20:00 | WHETHER IT IS A STATE OR FEDERAL EXCHANGE. |
00:20:02 | THE NOTION OF A STATE-PFENNIG GAIN BE MORE INDEPENDENT -- YOU |
00:20:07 | CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE LAW. WHAT IS THE BEST WE CAN DO FOR |
00:20:12 | OHIO? THAT IT CONTINUES TO BE HEALTH |
00:20:14 | CARE FREEDOM AND TO LIMIT THE SCOPE AND EFFECTIVENESS OF |
00:20:18 | OBAMACARE IN OHIO AND TO LIMIT ITS EFFECT ON HEALTH CARE |
00:20:20 | CHOICE. WE DO THAT THROUGH MAKING IT |
00:20:24 | MORE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE OBAMACARE FOR NOT GIVING IN ON |
00:20:28 | THE STATE EXCHANGE. AS IT TURNS OUT, THE PREMIUM |
00:20:31 | ASSISTANCE AND THE $3,000 A YEAR TAX ON EMPLOYERS IS ONLY |
00:20:38 | POSSIBLE UNDER A STATE-RUN EXCHANGE. |
00:20:42 | OHIO CAN FIGHT AGAINST THOSE PROVISIONS BY AVOIDING THE |
00:20:45 | STATE-RUN EXCHANGE. WE ALSO BELIEVE IT VIOLATES THE |
00:20:50 | TERMS OF THE HEALTH CARE FREEDOM AMENDMENT. |
00:20:52 | >> IF THE STATE WENT THROUGH WITH THE EXCHANGE, YOU WOULD |
00:20:56 | FIGHT IT IN COURT? >> WE WOULD BRING A LAWSUIT. |
00:20:58 | THE EXCHANGE IS SET UP FOR JANUARY 2014. |
00:21:04 | IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THAT TIME LINE WILL BE MET. |
00:21:07 | IT IS NOT CLEAR WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL DO. |
00:21:10 | WE ARE STRONGLY SUGGESTING THAT THEY DID NOT SET UP AN EXCHANGE, |
00:21:14 | OR THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO ADDRESS MEDICAID. |
00:21:20 | >> YOU ARE WORKING WITH A GROUP IN NORTH COLUMBUS THAT IS TRYING |
00:21:24 | TO TAKE A PROVISION PASSED IN MARCH BACK FOR REPEAL. |
00:21:29 | THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH A GROUP LIKE |
00:21:32 | THAT. I AM WONDERING, WHY? |
00:21:34 | >> WE FOUND THE PLANE KILLED BETWEEN TAXPAYERS AND TAX |
00:21:42 | RAISERS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, PARTICULARLY ON SCHOOL DISTRICT |
00:21:44 | ISSUES, IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO EVEN. |
00:21:48 | THESE TAXPAYERS FIGHT AGAINST THESE LEVIES, THEY RECOMMEND |
00:21:53 | SPENDING CUTS THAT THEIR DISTRICTS CAN MAKE IN ORDER TO |
00:21:55 | BE MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. THEY DID BEAT OVER THE HEAD WITH |
00:22:00 | THIS, IT IS FOR THE KIDS MANTRA, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE |
00:22:06 | ADMINISTRATORS AND EMPLOYERS ARE MAKING, WHICH IS 90% OF THE |
00:22:09 | COST. RIGHT NOW, A SCHOOL BOARD CAN |
00:22:13 | BRING A LEVY OF UP TO THREE TIMES A YEAR TO RAISE YOUR |
00:22:17 | TAXES. YOU CAN SAY NO OVER THOSE TWO |
00:22:22 | YEARS, AND THEN THEY CAN GET YOU ON THE SIXTH TIME AT A SPECIAL |
00:22:26 | LAW ELECTION WHEN THE VOTER TURNOUT IS LOW. |
00:22:27 | THAT IS WHAT THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS TELL THEM TO DO. |
00:22:31 | PUT THIS ON AN AUGUST ELECTION WHEN NOBODY VOTES. |
00:22:34 | WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT IS ONE ELECTION PER YEAR TO DETERMINE |
00:22:40 | YOUR TAX RATE, THE NOVEMBER ELECTION WHEN EVERYONE VOTES |
00:22:44 | COME AND GIVE EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE. |
00:22:46 | WHAT WE ALSO WANT TO DO IS LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD IN THE |
00:22:50 | INTERIM, GIVE PEOPLE A TOOL TO FIGHT BACK AND KEEP MORE OF THE |
00:22:54 | MONEY THAT THEY EARNED. WESTERVILLE IS A GREAT PLACE TO |
00:23:00 | DO THAT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL OFFICIALS ARE PAID VERY WELL. |
00:23:03 | IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THEM TO AT LEAST NOT TAKE PAY |
00:23:08 | INCREASES THAN TO PASS THEM ONTO THE STRUGGLING TAXPAYER. |
00:23:11 | >> SAID THIS ABOUT THE LAST TIME YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THIS? |
00:23:13 | >> WE HOPE TO DO THIS AS MANY TIMES AS WE CAN RUN THE STATE. |
00:23:18 | >> A LOT OF THIS ROUTE HAS BEEN BROUGHT DOWN FROM THE KASICH |
00:23:23 | ADMINISTRATION AND THE DRACONIAN CUTS THEY HAVE HAD. |
00:23:26 | AND IT IS FOR THE KIDS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL OF THESE CUTS WILL |
00:23:30 | AFFECT PEOPLE IN A MAJOR WAY, BOTH AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL AND |
00:23:35 | THAT THE GOVERNMENT LEVEL. WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE |
00:23:38 | HAVE EXCESS MONEY. THE GOVERNOR REFUSES TO GIVE ANY |
00:23:41 | RELIEF TO THESE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. |
00:23:43 | THIS HERE IS WHERE IT WILL REALLY BE FELT, THE LACK OF |
00:23:48 | CORPORATE GOVERNANCE MONEY. >> INDEED, YOU DID HAVE LEVEES. |
00:23:54 | PAST WEEK, 70% OF THEM FAILED. >> THIS WILL BE THE YEAR WERE |
00:23:59 | ALL OF THESE CUTS THAT KASICH HAS BROUGHT DOWN ON THE LOCAL |
00:24:04 | LEVEL WILL BE FELT. PEOPLE WILL BE THERE REALIZE |
00:24:09 | THEIR POLICE, FIRE, SCHOOLS WILL ALL GO THROUGH THEIR CUTS, OR |
00:24:12 | THEY WILL HAVE TO RAISE LOCAL TAXES. |
00:24:13 | THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE THE GOVERNOR AND YOU SAY YOU |
00:24:18 | WANT TO TAKE TAXES -- CUT TAXES, BUT YOU DID NOT, BUT YOU JUST |
00:24:22 | PUSH THEM ONTO THE LOCALS. >> THE STRICKLAND |
00:24:27 | ADMINISTRATION'S STATE BUDGETS WERE ACTUALLY MUCH SMALLER THAN |
00:24:30 | THE KASICH ADMINISTRATION'S STATE BUDGET, WHICH MAY BE SHOWS |
00:24:35 | THE VALUE OF SPLIT GOVERNMENT NURSES ONE-PARTY CONTROL. |
00:24:38 | WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S LAST BUDGET DID WHAT DRAMATICALLY |
00:24:43 | INCREASE THE SIZE OF STATE GOVERNMENT. |
00:24:45 | IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY CUT THE ASSISTANCE TO LOCAL |
00:24:48 | GOVERNMENTS. WHILE IT DID NOT NORMALLY RAISE |
00:24:52 | TAXES, THE EFFECT IS TO PUSH ALL THOSE CUTS DOWN TO THE LOCAL |
00:24:56 | LEVEL. NOW WE HAVE ARMAGEDDON AT THE |
00:24:59 | LOCAL LEVEL OR WHETHER TO RAISE TAXES. |
00:25:01 | MAYBE THE KASICH ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT RAISED TAXES, PER SAY, |
00:25:08 | BUT THEY HAVE GIVEN MATCHES OVER TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. |
00:25:13 | >> EVEN THOUGH THE GOVERNOR HAS URGED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO NOT |
00:25:17 | PUT LEVIES ON THE BALLOT, NOT RAISE TAXES. |
00:25:20 | >> YOU CAN SAY THAT, BUT WHAT HE HAS DONE HAS BEEN THE OPPOSITE. |
00:25:23 | IT WOULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE TO CONTINUE LOCAL ASSISTANTS AND |
00:25:28 | CUT AT THE STATE LEVEL TO MAKE IT EVEN. |
00:25:33 | >> WELL, WE AND THE AGREEMENT WITH U TWO. |
00:25:37 | GREAT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. |
00:25:39 | AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK. FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO PUBLIC |
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