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KAREN: A JOBS DEAL MEANS OHIOANS
00:00:30WILL START PAYING CERTAIN TAXES
-- THOUGH THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO
00:00:33BE PAYING THEM ANYWAY.
THE SENATE BUDGET WILL BE
00:00:36REVEALED NEXT WEEK, BUT WE'RE
GETTING SOME CLUES ABOUT WHAT
00:00:39WILL -- AND WON'T -- BE IN IT.
AND THE STATE AUDITOR TALKS
00:00:42ABOUT HIS PUSH TO BRING MORE
GOVERNMENT DATA OUT IN THE OPEN.
00:00:45ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
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KAREN: STARTING THIS WEEK,
00:01:00AMAZON IS COLLECTING OHIO LOCAL
AND STATE SALES TAXES ON
00:01:02PURCHASE FROM ITS WEBSITE FOR
THE FIRST TIME.
00:01:05THE RETAILER VOLUNTARILY AGREED
TO COLLECTING SALES TAXES WITH
00:01:08THE DEAL THAT BRINGS THREE DATA
AND CLOUD COMPUTING CENTERS AND
00:01:12MORE THAN A THOUSAND JOBS TO
OHIO, WHICH WAS ANNOUNCED LAST
00:01:15WEEK.
AND THIS COULD MEAN THAT THESE
00:01:18SALES TAXES COULD BE ADDED INTO
FUTURE BUDGET PROJECTIONS.
00:01:21BUT THE TAX COLLECTION APPLIES
ONLY TO PURCHASES FROM AMAZON,
00:01:24AND NOT TO ITEMS BOUGHT FROM
OTHER RETAILERS WHO ALSO SELL ON
00:01:27THE SITE.
SO BUYERS FROM THOSE SITES WILL
00:01:30STILL BE EXPECTED TO REMIT THOSE
TAXES ON THEIR OWN -- WHICH
00:01:34OFTEN DOESN'T HAPPEN AND
ANALYSTS SAY COSTS OHIO MILLIONS
00:01:36EACH YEAR.
A PACKAGE OF BILLS AIMED AT
00:01:40ADDRESSING OHIO'S OPIATE
ADDICTION CRISIS INCLUDES A
00:01:43PROPOSAL TO GIVE CERTAIN
IMMUNITY TO DRUG USERS SEEKING
00:01:47EMERGENCY HELP FOR OTHERS WHO
HAVE OVERDOSED ON HEROIN OR
00:01:49PAINKILLERS.
THE PROPOSAL FROM REPS. ROBERT
00:01:53SPRAGUE, A REPUBLICAN FROM
FINDLAY, AND DENISE DRIEHAUS, A
00:01:57DEMOCRAT OF CINCINNATI, WOULD
EXEMPT PEOPLE FROM BEING
00:01:59ARRESTED ON MINOR DRUG
POSSESSION CHARGES IF THEY HELP
00:02:02SOMEONE EXPERIENCING AN
OPIOID-RELATED OVERDOSE.
00:02:06THE BILL SPONSORS SAY OHIO
SHOULDN'T DISCOURAGE DRUG USERS
00:02:10FROM CALLING FOR HELP IF SOMEONE
HAS OVERDOSED.
00:02:14OTHER LEGISLATION FROM SPRAGUE
WOULD PLACE TIGHTER CONTROLS ON
00:02:16PRESCRIBERS WHO PROVIDE CERTAIN
OPIOIDS FOR MEDICAID PATIENTS.
00:02:20ANOTHER BILL WOULD REQUIRE
HEALTH INSURERS TO PROVIDE
00:02:23COVERAGE FOR ABUSE DETERRENT
DRUGS SUCH AS PILLS THAT CAN'T
00:02:26BE CRUSHED.
FATAL OVERDOSES ARE THE LEADING
00:02:29CAUSE OF ACCIDENTAL DEATH IN
OHIO, SURPASSING CAR CRASHES.
00:02:34A FORMER SOUTHWEST OHIO LAWMAKER
ACCUSED OF MISLEADING INVESTORS
00:02:37ABOUT A COMPANY'S FINANCIAL
STATUS AND USING THEIR MONEY FOR
00:02:42PERSONAL GAIN HAS BEEN CONVICTED
OF 13 CHARGES INCLUDING
00:02:45SECURITIES FRAUD, THEFT AND
PERJURY.
00:02:47THIS WEEK A HAMILTON COUNTY
JUDGE FOUND FORMER STATE REP.
00:02:50PETE BECK GUILTY IN A 10 WEEK
NON-JURY TRIAL.
00:02:54THE 62-YEAR-OLD BECK HAD PLEADED
NOT GUILTY TO 38 CHARGES, AND
00:02:57HIS ATTORNEYS HAD SAID THE
ACCUSATIONS WERE FALSE AND MEANT
00:03:02TO MAKE HIM INTO A SCAPEGOAT.
BECK WAS ACQUITTED ON COUNTS OF
00:03:05TELECOMMUNICATIONS FRAUD,
INVOLVEMENT IN A CRIMINAL
00:03:08ENTERPRISE AND OTHER ALLEGED
SECURITIES VIOLATIONS.
00:03:11BECK LOST HIS BID TO RETAIN HIS
OHIO HOUSE SEAT WHEN HE WAS
00:03:15DEFEATED IN THE 2014 MAY PRIMARY
AND RESIGNED IN NOVEMBER.
00:03:20OHIO'S 23 REPUBLICAN STATE
SENATORS WILL UNVEIL THEIR
00:03:23BUDGET NEXT WEEK, AND THEIR
LEADER IS HINTING AT A FEW
00:03:26DETAILS.
SENATE PRESIDENT KEITH FABER OF
00:03:29CELINA SAID IN COMMENTS TO
REPORTERS AFTER SESSION THIS
00:03:32WEEK THAT THE SPECIFICS OF THE
BUDGET ARE STILL BEING HAMMERED
00:03:35OUT, BUT HE DID REVEAL TWO
CHANGES.
00:03:37>> WE BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO BE
ABLE TO INCLUDE JUDGES, SHERIFFS
00:03:41AND PROSECUTORS IN THE BILL FOR
A POSSIBLE PAY RAISE.
00:03:45WE CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT WE
CAN INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF THE
00:03:48TOTAL NET TAX CUT ABOVE WHAT THE
HOUSE DID.
00:03:50KAREN: THE HOUSE VERSION OF THE
BUDGET HAD SOME BIG CHANGES FROM
00:03:53GOV. JOHN KASICH'S ORIGINAL
BUDGET PROPOSAL -- REPUBLICAN
00:03:55REPRESENTATIVES LOWERED THE
INCOME TAX CUT FROM 21% TO 6%,
00:04:01AND STRIPPED OUT INCREASES IN
TAXES ON TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND ON
00:04:05OIL AND GAS DRILLERS, AND ALSO
DROPPED INCREASES IN THE STATE
00:04:08SALES TAX AND THE COMMERCIAL
ACTIVITY TAX.
00:04:12SOME OF THOSE INCREASES ARE
EXPECTED TO BE RESURRECTED IN
00:04:14THE SENATE BUDGET, WHICH WILL BE
ON A TIGHT TIMELINE TO GET
00:04:17APPROVED BY THE SENATE, THEN BY
THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE, AND
00:04:20THEN SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR BY
THE END OF JUNE.
00:04:23ADD TO THAT SHORT TIMEFRAME A
HUGE LIST OF AMENDMENTS PROPOSED
00:04:26BY THE 10 MEMBERS OF THE SENATE
DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS -- 500 OF
00:04:30THEM, DEALING WITH CHARTER
SCHOOLS, UNIONS, LOCAL
00:04:33GOVERNMENT MONEY, MEDICAID
ELIGIBILITY, DEVELOPMENTAL
00:04:36DISABILITIES FUNDING, PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION, AND EDUCATION.
00:04:40SENATE MINORITY LEADER JOE
SCHIAVONI OF BOARDMAN NEAR
00:04:43YOUNGSTOWN IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT
THOSE AMENDMENTS AND WHY THEY'VE
00:04:45PROPOSED THEM.
WELCOME.
00:04:48MINORITY LEADER SCHIAVONI:
THANKS, KAREN.
00:04:51KAREN: 500 AMENDMENTS, MORE THAN
TWICE THE NUMBER THAT SENATE
00:04:56DEMOCRATS PROS LAST SUMMER IN
THE BUDGET CYCLE.
00:04:59WITH THIS TIGHT TIMEFRAME AHEAD
OF YOU, 500 AMENDMENTS, YOU HAVE
00:05:03TO ASK, REALLY?
MINORITY LEADER SCHIAVONI: THERE
00:05:08IS A LOT OF THOSE AMENDMENT IN
THERE THAT ALL FALL IN LINE WITH
00:05:11THE SAME KIND OF TOPICS.
MEDICAID EXPANSION IS A HUGE
00:05:12UNDERTAKING.
THERE IS A LOT OF TECHNICAL
00:05:16LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE
CHANGED.
00:05:17100 ARE DEALING WITH MEDICAID
EXPANSION.
00:05:20THAT IS A BIG CHUNK OF IT.
ALL OF THEM FALL IN LINE --
00:05:25WHETHER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
INVESTING IN SCHOOLS, INVESTING
00:05:28IN OUR CHILDREN, MAKING SURE WE
HAVE SAFE COMMUNITIES, AND ALL
00:05:34OF THE TAX FAIRNESS ISSUES, THAT
IS IMPORTANT.
00:05:35THERE ARE A LOT OF AMENDMENTS
THAT FALL UNDER THOSE CATEGORIES
00:05:38BUT A LOT BETTER ALSO DISTRICT
-SPECIFIC.
00:05:43IF THE REPUBLICANS HAD
AMENDMENTS, THERE WOULD BE
00:05:45THOUSANDS OF THEM, BUT THEY ARE
ALREADY EMBEDDED IN SOME SORT OF
00:05:48AGREEMENT IN THE SUB BILL.
THERE IS DISTRICT-SPECIFIC STUFF
00:05:53BUT MOST OF THE AMENDMENT BALL
INTO THOSE CATEGORIES DEALING
00:05:59WITH MEDICAID AND LOCAL
COMMUNITIES, SCHOOLS, HIGHER
00:06:00EDUCATION AS WELL.
KAREN: DO YOU EXPECT TO GET THE
00:06:03PRIORITY ONES -- DO YOU EXPECT
THEM TO GO ANYWHERE?
00:06:07I IMAGINE THE TECHNICAL ONES
WOULD GET PUT INTO THE BUDGET,
00:06:11BUT THE BIG ONES, DO YOU HAVE
ANY EXPECTATIONS FOR THOSE?
00:06:14MINORITY LEADER SCHIAVONI: YOU
HAVE TO BE OPEN TO DISCUSS THIS
00:06:17STUFF.
I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS
00:06:20WITH PRESIDENT FABER.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A
00:06:23BIPARTISAN BILL AND THERE HAS TO
BE A JOINT EFFORT.
00:06:26THERE HAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF
GIVE-AND-TAKE.
00:06:27YES, THEY HAVE 23 MEMBERS AND WE
HAVE 10, BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE A
00:06:33BIPARTISAN PIECE OF LEGISLATION,
THERE HAS TO BE THAT WORKED
00:06:37BEHIND THE SCENES.
SENATOR OR SLATER AND SKINDELL
00:06:40WILL BE TALKING ABOUT SOME
THINGS OVER THE WEEKEND ABOUT
00:06:42WHAT WILL BE IN THE BILL SO WHEN
THE BILL COMES OUT ON MONDAY WE
00:06:46ARE AWARE OF WHAT IS IN THERE.
IF WE CAN WORK AND CHANGE
00:06:50SOMETHING BEFORE THE OMNIBUS
BILL COMES ON, WE WILL DO IT.
00:06:51IF WE CAN GET TO A RESOLUTION
THAT WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH, THEN
00:06:57WE WILL GET THERE.
IF WE CANNOT, WE WON'T.
00:06:59WE WILL FIGURE THAT OUT VERY
SHORTLY.
00:07:00KAREN: SENATE PRESIDENT KEITH
FABER SAID THIS WEEK, A COUPLE
00:07:06OF THINGS THAT -- FIRST OF ALL,
WANTING THAT WE FIGURED WOULD
00:07:11HAPPEN.
THE TAX CUT WAS GOING TO BE
00:07:13INCREASED IN THE SENATE VERSION
OF THE BUDGET.
00:07:14HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT AN INCREASE
IN SALARIES FOR JUDGES,
00:07:19PROSECUTORS, AND SHERIFFS.
AND A FUNDING INCREASE FOR
00:07:24HIGHER EDUCATION BUT ALSO
HOLDING TUITION FLAT FOR TWO
00:07:28YEARS AND PREVENTING COLLEGES
AND UNIVERSITIES FROM INCREASING
00:07:30FEES.
ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE
00:07:34HEARING WILL DEFINITELY BE
THERE?
00:07:34MINORITY LEADER SCHIAVONI: I
FIGURED THAT THAT INCOME TAX-CUT
00:07:38INCREASE WOULD BE IN THERE AND
WILL LAND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WITH
00:07:40THE HOUSE OR BOTH AND WITH THE
GOVERNOR PROPOSED ORIGINALLY.
00:07:43THE CONCERN OF OURS AS A CAUCUS
IS YOU WILL RAISE A BUDGET
00:07:48DIFFERENT TAXES IN ORDER TO GET
THEIR OR YOU WILL CUT
00:07:50SIGNIFICANTLY VERY IMPORTANT
PROGRAMS THAT IMPACT EVERYDAY
00:07:55OHIOANS.
IF THERE IS A COMBINATION OF
00:07:56BOTH OF THOSE, THAT OUR CAUCUS
PROBABLY WILL BE IN LINE WITH
00:08:00THE BUDGET.
I KNOW WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE
00:08:06SALES TAX INCREASE, WORRIED
ABOUT ADDITIONAL TAXES ON
00:08:08BUSINESS.
I HAVE MET WITH A LOT OF
00:08:10BUSINESS FOLKS WHO SAY WE ARE
FINALLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK, WE
00:08:14ARE FINALLY IN A POSITION WHERE
WE CAN MAKE INVESTMENTS FOR
00:08:16LONG-TERM GROWTH IN OHIO, BUT IF
YOU ARE GOING TO INCREASE TAXES
00:08:21ON US, WE STOPPED THAT
INVESTMENT.
00:08:22WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PUBLIC
SCHOOLS, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT
00:08:26INVESTMENT IN OUR KIDS.
IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE MONEY
00:08:30OUT OF SCHOOL TO GIVE THEM AN
INCOME TAX CUT, WE WILL NOT BE
00:08:32THERE FOR THAT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES LIKE
00:08:34THAT WHERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT
WHERE THE MONEY WILL COME FROM.
00:08:38KAREN: THE TWO POSSIBLE TAX
INCREASES I HAVE HEARD MOST
00:08:41ABOUT ABOUT POSSIBLY COMING BACK
ARE A SMALL TOBACCO PRODUCTS
00:08:46INCREASE AND A SEVERANCE TAX
INCREASE, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS
00:08:51GOVERNOR KASICH WANTED.
DEMOCRATS HAVE GENERALLY BEEN
00:08:53SUPPORTIVE OF THESE IDEAS AND
THE VOTERS HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE.
00:08:57MINORITY LEADER SCHIAVONI: IN
GENERAL, IF THERE IS A
00:09:01REASONABLE SEVERANCE TAX AND A
REASONABLE INCREASE TAX ON
00:09:04TOBACCO, MOST OF OUR MEMBERS
COULD GET THERE, IF THE MONEY IS
00:09:07INVESTED PROPERLY.
NOT IF THE MONEY GOES DIRECTLY
00:09:12TO THE INCOME TAX CUT BECAUSE
YOU ARE SPREADING IT SO THIN
00:09:16ACROSS MILLIONS OF OHIOANS.
IS THERE REALLY GOING TO BE A
00:09:19BENEFITED IMPACT?
IF YOU ARE GOING TO INCREASE
00:09:24TAXES, MAKE SURE YOU SPEND THEM
IN A MEANINGFUL WAY SO THAT
00:09:27EVERY OHIO AND FEELS IT IN A
MEANINGFUL WAY.
00:09:29THERE IS WORK TO DO, SOME
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE THAT
00:09:34MONEY GOES.
IF IT IS A SEVERANCE TAX, IT HAS
00:09:36TO GO TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND
THE LOCAL FOLKS SO THAT WE CAN
00:09:39BUILD UP THE WORKFORCE SO THAT
THESE GUYS CAN WORK THESE JOBS
00:09:44AND ARE PREPARED TO WORK A JOB.
IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SMOKING,
00:09:48PUT IN CESSATION PROGRAMS.
DON'T JUST PUT IT BACK INTO
00:09:52INCOME TAX CUTS.
THOSE ARE THE ISSUES WE ARE
00:09:54DEALING WITH.
KAREN: WHEN YOU SAY REASONABLE
00:09:59TAX INCREASE, WHAT IS REASONABLE
TO YOU AND MEMBERS OF YOUR
00:10:00CAUCUS?
MINORITY LEADER SCHIAVONI: I
00:10:02DON'T KNOW THAT.
WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT.
00:10:03IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF
INCREASE, WE HAD TO MAKE SURE
00:10:08THE MONEY IS GOING TO THE PROPER
PLACE.
00:10:09I'M NOT TRYING TO GET AROUND THE
QUESTION BUT I DON'T KNOW THE
00:10:14ANSWER OF WHAT WOULD BE
REASONABLE.
00:10:15IT IS A DISCUSSION THAT HAS TO
BE HAD BY ALL INTERESTED
00:10:18PARTIES.
IF THEY CAN COME TO SOMETHING
00:10:21THAT MOST FEEL IS REASONABLE, WE
WILL MOVE FORWARD.
00:10:23KAREN: YOU HAVE ALSO SPOKEN OUT
ABOUT THE GOVERNOR'S
00:10:29ANNOUNCEMENTS LAST WEEKS WHEN
AMAZON ANNOUNCED THERE WOULD BE
00:10:32THREE DATA AND CLOUD COMPUTING
CENTERS IN OHIO, AND THAT AMAZON
00:10:36WILL START COLLECTING SALES
TAXES ON PURCHASES FROM THEIR
00:10:38WEBSITE, INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR
OHIOANS TO REPORT OTHER INCOME
00:10:43TAX RETURNS, LIKE THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO DO.
00:10:45THE GOVERNOR HAS SUGGESTED THAT
MONEY SHOULD BE USED FOR INCOME
00:10:50TAX CUTS, WHEN YOU HAVE A
DIFFERENT VIEW.
00:10:51MINORITY LEADER SCHIAVONI: THE
SAME ARGUMENT THAT WE HAVE BEEN
00:10:55MAKING AND THAT I DISCUSSED AN
INTERVIEW.
00:10:56IF WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE
TAXES ON PEOPLE -- AND IN THIS
00:10:58CASE, IT IS NOT AN INCREASE IN
TAX, BUT MORE OF A REAL TAX
00:11:04COMPARED TO THE PHANTOM TAX THAT
WAS THERE.
00:11:06NOW THAT WE KNOW THE MONEY IS
COMING IN, WE SHOULD INVEST IN
00:11:11SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN FEEL
THE IMPACT OF, THAT CAN HELP
00:11:15IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN
OHIO.
00:11:16IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
WORKFORCE, MAY BE INVESTED TO
00:11:21MAKE SURE WE HAVE REASONABLE
CHILDCARE FOR FOLKS WHO ARE
00:11:23WORKING HARD BUT ARE BARELY ABLE
TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
00:11:28IF THEY CANNOT GET AFFORDABLE,
QUALITY CHILD CARE, THEY WILL
00:11:31NOT BE OUT IN THE WORKFORCE.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT.
00:11:33I CAN THINK OF SOME DIFFERENT
THINGS THAT WE COULD USE THE
00:11:36MONEY FOR RATHER THAN THROWING
IT IN A POT AND SPREADING IT OUT
00:11:39THERE.
KAREN: THE GOVERNOR ALSO MADE
00:11:45SOME COMMENTS SEEM TO BE AIMED
AT THE HOUSE VERSION OF THE
00:11:46BUDGET.
HE SAID WE CANNOT SEND THE
00:11:49MESSAGE THAT WE ARE SOMEHOW NOT
FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
00:11:51THAT FOLLOWED CRITICISM THAT THE
BUDGET DIRECTOR WAS SAYING IT
00:11:54SEEMED TO BE BALANCED WITH SOME
LESS THAN CONSERVATIVE
00:12:00ESTIMATES, THAT MAYBE THE HOUSE
HAD DONE SOME THINGS IN TERMS OF
00:12:04INCOME TAX-CUT AND NOT PUTTING
THOSE TAX INCREASES IN THERE.
00:12:06IS THERE A FEELING AMONG
DEMOCRATS THAT THE HOUSE VERSION
00:12:10WAS NOT THE BEST VERSION IN
TERMS OF BEING STABLE?
00:12:11MINORITY LEADER SCHIAVONI: WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE BUDGET,
00:12:18THE EDUCATION FEES WAS MUCH
BETTER THAN THE GOVERNOR'S
00:12:19PROPOSAL.
HAVING A LOWER INCOME TAX CUT
00:12:21WAS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE
RESPONSIBLE.
00:12:24I DON'T SEE ANY THE
RESPONSIBILITIES WHEN YOU ARE
00:12:29TALKING ABOUT -- THE
RESPONSIBILITIES YOU ARE TALKING
00:12:39ABOUT.
MULTIPLE PIECES ABOUT ORGANIZED
00:12:41LABOR TRYING TO TAKE AWAY RIGHTS
FROM WORKERS.
00:12:42THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE
NOT IN FAVOR OF.
00:12:45ALSO A PIECE TAKING AWAY
MEDICAID ELIGIBILITY FOR
00:12:48PREGNANT WOMEN.
YOU WANT TO SAVE A COUPLE BUCKS
00:12:54THERE.
SEEMS LIKE THE WRONG PLACE TO
00:12:55SAVE IT.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WORKING
00:12:56WOMEN THAT BECOME PREGNANT AND
THEN WE ARE GOING TO SAY THAT
00:13:00THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR
MEDICAID, AND AT THE SAME TIME,
00:13:03WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH OPEN
ENROLLMENT, SO THEY WOULD BE
00:13:06ABLE TO GET ON THE EXCHANGE, SO
THEY WILL NOT HAVE COVERAGE FOR
00:13:11THEMSELVES AND THEIR UNBORN
CHILD.
00:13:12DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THE PLACE
WHERE WE WANT TO CUT A FEW
00:13:16DOLLARS OUT OF THE BUDGET.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE
00:13:17DISAGREE WITH.
KAREN: IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE
00:13:23THIS NEVER-ENDING DISAGREEMENT,
DEMOCRATS FIELD MONEY SHOULD BE
00:13:25GOING TO MORE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
AND SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.
00:13:27REPUBLICANS FEEL, TO GROW THE
ECONOMY, THERE SHOULD BE INCOME
00:13:32TAX CUTS.
KASICH SAID DURING THE AMAZON
00:13:35ANNOUNCEMENT THAT TAX CUTS
MATTERS AND THE KINDS THAT YOU
00:13:39HAVE REALLY MATTERS AS WELL.
HOW DO YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT WHEN
00:13:42YOUR NUMBERS ARE SMALLER THAN
THEIR NUMBERS?
00:13:43MINORITY LEADER SCHIAVONI: YOU
TRY TO MAKE LOGICAL ARGUMENTS.
00:13:46THERE ARE SOME POINTS WHERE WE
CAN WORK TOGETHER ON.
00:13:49TALKING ABOUT POLICE TRAINING,
THOSE ARE DOLLARS -- THAT IS AN
00:13:57INVESTMENT THAT BOTH CAUCUSES
THINK IS A WORTHWHILE ONE.
00:13:58YOU CAN START WITH THINGS THAT
YOU AGREE ON.
00:14:00IT IS JUST A PHILOSOPHY
DIFFERENCE, IT REALLY IS.
00:14:03WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO DRIVE
HOME THE FACT THAT THIS IS WHAT
00:14:09MATTERS TO PEOPLE FROM OUR
COMMUNITIES.
00:14:11THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT AGAIN
BROUGHT TO US FROM MEMBERS OF
00:14:15THE COMMUNITY AND WE ARE JUST
TRYING TO BRING THEIR VOICE TO
00:14:18COLUMBUS.
THAT IS MY WE ARE TRYING TO DO
00:14:21HERE.
YOU CAN REALLY MAKE AN IMPACT
00:14:23WITH THESE BUDGET CHANGES, AND
IF YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE MONEY
00:14:29THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STATE IN AN
INCOME STATE TAX CUT, YOU WILL
00:14:33NOT GET THAT BENEFIT THAT A LOT
OF THE REPUBLICAN MEMBERS TALK
00:14:36ABOUT OFTENTIMES.
KAREN: SENATE MINORITY LEADER
00:14:40JOE SCHIAVONI, THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE.
00:14:41THE BUDGET WILL BE UNVEILED
MONDAY MORNING.
00:14:43TESTIMONY IS EXPECTED IN THE
SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE NEXT
00:14:45WEEK -- WHICH WILL BE LIVE ON
OHIOCHANNEL.ORG.
00:14:47A VOTE BY THE FULL SENATE IS
EXPECTED ON JUNE 17.
00:14:49LAST WEEK ON THIS SHOW WE
STARTED A CONVERSATION ABOUT
00:14:51OPEN DATA AND GOVERNMENT
TRANSPARENCY -- WITH STATE
00:14:54TREASURER JOSH MANDEL ABOUT HIS
OHIOCHECKBOOK.COM PROJECT TO PUT
00:14:56STATE AND LOCAL SPENDING ON
LINE, AND WITH TRANSPARENCY
00:15:01ADVOCATES CATHERINE TURCER AND
JILL MILLER ZIMON -- THEY HAVE
00:15:05BEEN SAYING IT'S GOOD TO GET
THIS INFORMATION OUT THERE, BUT
00:15:09THERE IS A LOT MORE GOVERNMENT
DATA THAT COULD ALSO BE
00:15:12AVAILABLE TO TAXPAYERS, VOTERS
AND CITIZENS.
00:15:14AND THAT'S A CONCEPT THAT'S
GETTING MORE ATTENTION -- IT'S
00:15:16BEEN CALLED OPEN WASHING, WHEN
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS PUT OUT
00:15:20CERTAIN INFORMATION IN AN
ATTEMPT TO BE SEEN AS OPEN AND
00:15:24TRANSPARENT, BUT IN REALITY ALL
IMPORTANT DECISIONS AND
00:15:27INFORMATION IS STILL CLOSED OFF
AND HIDDEN.
00:15:32ANOTHER SUPPORTER OF THE
OHIOCHECKBOOK PROJECT IS AUDITOR
00:15:35DAVID YOST, WHO JOINED MANDEL IN
HIS CALL TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
00:15:38AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO SHARE
THEIR FINANCIAL INFORMATION ON
00:15:40THE SITE AS WELL.
BUT YOST HAS ALSO AGREED WITH
00:15:43OTHER ADVOCATES THAT MORE
TRANSPARENCY IS NEEDED IN
00:15:46GOVERNMENT.
I'M PLEASED TO WELCOME AUDITOR
00:15:49DAVID YOST BACK TO THE SHOW.
YOU ARE THE STATE AUDITOR, YOU
00:15:57ARE ALSO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AT
THE LOCAL AND STATE LEVEL.
00:15:59WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE WHOLE
IDEA THAT MAY BE THE
00:16:04EXPENDITURES ONLINE GIVES PEOPLE
ONLY PART OF THE INFORMATION
00:16:07THEY NEED, ESPECIALLY IF THEY
ARE DEALING WITH LOCAL
00:16:11GOVERNMENTS WERE THERE A
POLICIES THAT PEOPLE DON'T
00:16:12UNDERSTAND, THAT CREATE SOME OF
THE EXPENDITURES ?
00:16:15DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE IS ENOUGH
INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE TO FEEL
00:16:20DANGEROUS AND MAYBE NOT
CAMPAIGNS AGAINST LEVIES OR
00:16:22THINGS LIKE THAT?
DAVID: WE STILL HAVE POWERFUL
00:16:27TOOLS IN OHIO WITH THE PUBLIC
RECORDS LAW, THOSE KINDS OF
00:16:32ADDITIONAL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS
CAN BE OBTAINED PRETTY EASILY IN
00:16:34OHIO.
FREQUENTLY EITHER FREE OR FOR A
00:16:38NOMINAL COST OF COPYING.
THAT BEING SAID, EVERYTHING CAN
00:16:42GET BETTER.
ONE THING THAT I HOPE TO SEE
00:16:45OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS IS
REVENUE NUMBERS STARTING TO BE
00:16:50AVAILABLE, AS WELL AS
EXPENDITURE.
00:16:51IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A CASH
BASE SUPPORT, CASH ON HAND.
00:16:55BE ABLE TO TRACK OUR REVENUES
ARE COMING IN OVERTIME.
00:17:00THAT BEING SAID, THE INFORMATION
AVAILABLE FUELS DEBATE.
00:17:07ANYTHING THAT GIVES PEOPLE MORE
INFORMATION AND ALLOWS THEM TO
00:17:11BE IN A MORE INFORMED DISCUSSION
WITH THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS
00:17:18MAKES FOR BETTER LOCAL
GOVERNMENT, BETTER STATE
00:17:19GOVERNMENT.
KAREN: I WANT TO COME BACK TO
00:17:22THE ISSUE OF SUNSHINE AUDITS IN
A MOMENT, BUT TALK ABOUT
00:17:26TRANSPARENCY AS AN OVERALL
CONCEPT.
00:17:27YOU HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT ON
TRANSPARENCY IN A VARIETY OF
00:17:30AREAS.
FOR INSTANCE, JOBS OHIO.
00:17:32YOU HAVE FOUGHT FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PUBLICLY HAVE
00:17:40JOBS OHIO BE THE STATE AUDITOR.
I'M WONDERING WITH OHIO
00:17:45CHECKBOOK.COM BEING OUT THERE IN
ALL THIS TRANSPARENCY TALK, HOW
00:17:48DO YOU FEEL ABOUT JOBS OHIO?
DAVID: I THINK JOBS OHIO IS
00:17:54PROBABLY THE MOST TRANSPARENT
PRIVATE COMPANY IN OHIO.
00:17:58THE QUESTION IS REALLY, IS THAT
SUFFICIENT?
00:18:02I THINK WE ARE WALKING THROUGH
THAT EXPERIMENT RIGHT NOW.
00:18:06THEY ARE AUDITED BY A PRIVATE
FIRM AND WE ARE GOING TO SEE HOW
00:18:13THAT PLAYS OUT OVER THE NEXT
COUPLE OF YEARS.
00:18:17KAREN: YOU DO GET THE
OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT
00:18:22AUDIT, CORRECT?
DAVID: THAT'S RIGHT, AND WE CAN
00:18:27PARTICIPATE IN THE DEVELOPMENT
OF THE SCOPE.
00:18:28WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AT,
WHAT KINDS OF QUESTIONS AND
00:18:31TRANSACTIONS WILL THEY TAKE,
LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE ISSUES.
00:18:37WE ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
BUT WE DON'T EXECUTE IT.
00:18:39KAREN: THE TRANSPARENCY TALK
DOES NOT END ESSENTIALLY WHEN
00:18:45YOU HAVE JOBS OHIO, NOT ONLINE,
AND ABLE FOR ANYONE TO LOOK AT
00:18:49IN THE SAME WAY.
DAVID: THE LEGISLATURE HAS MADE
00:18:53A DETERMINATION THAT IT IS A
PRIVATE COMPANY AND THEY HAD THE
00:18:57ABILITY TO DECIDE WHAT TO MAKE
PUBLIC AND WHAT THEY DON'T.
00:18:59KAREN: LET'S TALK ABOUT CHARTER
SCHOOLS, YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT
00:19:05THE NEED FOR MORE TRANSPARENCIES
IN THE WAY THEY ARE OPERATING.
00:19:06THERE WAS A STORY OVER THE PAST
WEEKEND THAT FOLLOWED MORE THAN
00:19:124200 AUDITS OF CHARTER SCHOOLS
THAT YOUR OFFICE DID.
00:19:15THE WAY THE STORY STARTED OUT,
NO SECTOR, PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES
00:19:20OR HOSPITALS, THIS PET TAX
DOLLARS LIKE CHARTER SCHOOLS IN
00:19:24OHIO.
SO WHAT CAN HAPPEN NOW TO GET
00:19:29CHARTER SCHOOLS TO BE MORE
TRANSPARENT AS WE FOLLOW THE
00:19:30EXAMPLE THAT APPARENTLY A LOT OF
PEOPLE FEEL HAS BEEN SET BY OHIO
00:19:34CHECKBOOK.
WHAT DO WE DO?
00:19:35DAVID: I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
THIS FOR YEARS.
00:19:39WE HAVE NOT ONLY MOST OF OUR
AUDIT FINDINGS BUT IN THE
00:19:46CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS THAT HAVE
RESULTED OUT OF OUR WORK COME
00:19:53DISPROPORTIONATELY OUT OF THE
CHARTER SCHOOL AREA.
00:19:55I SUPPORT SCHOOL CHOICE, BUT THE
FACT IS THERE IS TOO MUCH IN
00:19:59OHIO THAT DOES NOT PROMOTE
TRANSPARENCY.
00:20:04THERE IS ALL KINDS OF RULES AND
WE ARE IN THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT
00:20:08NOW DEBATING HOW THOSE RULES
SHOULD CHANGE.
00:20:12SOME VERY STRONG ELEMENTS THAT
ARE COMING OUT FROM PEGGY LEHNER
00:20:19AND THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE,
SENATOR HITE.
00:20:22A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES, NOT TO
BORE YOU TO TEARS, BUT CHARTER
00:20:31SCHOOLS STILL REPORT UNDER AN
OUTDATED ENTERPRISE MODEL FOR
00:20:35THEIR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
NO OTHER SCHOOL DOES THAT.
00:20:37CHARTER MANAGEMENT COMPANIES,
THE FOLKS THAT CONTRACT AND RUN
00:20:43THESE PLACES, HAD ABOUT SIX
LINES OF INFORMATION.
00:20:51WE ARE ASKING FOR AN ENTIRE
PAGE.
00:20:52ONE PAGE.
TO DETAIL WHAT IS BEING SPENT IN
00:20:58THE CLASSROOM, WHAT IS BEING
SPENT ELSEWHERE.
00:21:01IT IS A VERY HIGH-LEVEL
ACCOUNTING, STILL, BUT MORE
00:21:05DETAIL THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
UNTIL WE HAVE GOOD INFORMATION
00:21:10MANAGEMENT, WE WILL NOT REALLY
HAVE TRANSPARENCY.
00:21:12KAREN: YOUR AUDITS HAVE SAID
MORE THAN $427 MILLION MISSPENT
00:21:18SINCE 2001, BUT IF YOU PUT THE
SAME REGULATIONS AND RULES ON
00:21:22CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT ARE ON
PUBLIC SCHOOLS, ALL YOU DO IS
00:21:25MAKE CHARTER SCHOOLS INTO PUBLIC
SCHOOLS.
00:21:26HOW DO YOU BATTLE THAT AND STILL
TRY TO GET TRANSPARENCY OUT
00:21:30THERE?
DAVID: THE FACT OF THE MATTER
00:21:37IS, TRANSPARENCY IS NOT A MATTER
OF PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, IT IS A
00:21:38CONTINUUM.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO NOT
00:21:48WANT TO STRANGLE IS THE
INNOVATION THAT CAN OCCUR BY AN
00:21:52INDIVIDUAL, STANDALONE, PRIVATE
ORGANIZATION.
00:21:53WE HAMSTRING THEM WITH PRECISELY
THE SAME RULES.
00:21:58BY THE WAY, THERE ARE RULES THAT
DO NOT APPLY TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
00:22:01IF YOU ARE A BAD CHARTER AND YOU
MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA TWO OUT OF
00:22:06THREE YEARS, YOU ARE CLOSED, YOU
ARE SHUT DOWN.
00:22:08NO TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOL IN
OHIO HAS EVER BEEN SHUT DOWN.
00:22:12THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT RULES
ON BOTH SIDES, AND THAT
00:22:16RECOGNIZES HOW EACH SECTOR OF
THE EDUCATION PROJECT IS
00:22:21DIFFERENT.
KAREN: THERE ARE CHARTER SCHOOLS
00:22:26THAT HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN, SOME
THAT ADVOCATES SAY SHOULD BE
00:22:29SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF REPEAT
VIOLATIONS.
00:22:30AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR, YOU HAVE
TO LOOK AT THE ACTIVITY GOING ON
00:22:36AND THINK, HOW CAN WE STOP SOME
OF THESE BAD ACTORS?
00:22:37DAVID: THAT IS WHY WE ARE IN THE
HOUSE AND SENATE LOBBYING HARD
00:22:41FOR CHANGES TO OHIO'S LAWS.
KAREN: IS IT UP TO STATE
00:22:50LAWMAKERS TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES,
SO THAT MORE CHARTER SCHOOLS CAN
00:22:51BE SHUT DOWN, IS THAT YOUR
THOUGHT?
00:22:52DAVID: UNDER EXISTING LAW, YES.
KAREN: FINALLY, I WANTED TO TALK
00:22:58ABOUT SUNSHINE AUDITS.
YOU PROPOSE THE IDEA OF HAVING
00:23:02YOUR OFFICE DO THESE AUDITS IF
PEOPLE FELT THEY WERE BEING
00:23:06UNFAIRLY DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY
TO HAVE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS
00:23:10FILLED.
THE HOUSE, AT FIRST, DID NOT
00:23:13LIKE THAT, AND THEN PUT IT BACK
IN THE BUDGET.
00:23:14ANOTHER ISSUE OF TRANSPARENCY
HERE.
00:23:17HOW DO YOU FEEL WHEN YOU ARE
BATTLING PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN
00:23:21PARTY TO GET MORE TRANSPARENCY
AND SUNSHINE ON GOVERNMENT?
00:23:23DAVID: TRANSPARENCY IS NOT A
REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT ISSUE.
00:23:27I DON'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO
THE WHOLE PARTY THING.
00:23:32I TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT IS RIGHT.
THAT BEING SAID, THE REASON FOR
00:23:37THE SUNSHINE AUDITS IS, RIGHT
NOW, HE OR STONEWALLED BY LOCAL
00:23:42OR STATE GOVERNMENT, THE ONLY
THING YOU CAN DO IS WRITE A
00:23:44REALLY BIG CHECK AND FILE A
LAWSUIT.
00:23:47THAT IS CLUMSY, EXPENSIVE, AND
TIME-CONSUMING.
00:23:52THERE OUGHT TO BE, FOR THE
RUN-OF-THE-MILL KINDS OF
00:23:56DISPUTES, A SIMPLE,
ADMINISTRATIVE, THIRD-PARTY WAY
00:24:02TO REVIEW AND SAY, YOU ARE RIGHT
AND YOU ARE WRONG.
00:24:03MAYBE I CANNOT DECIDE, YOU OUGHT
TO GO TO COURT AND SEE A JUDGE.
00:24:07THAT WAS MY IDEA, THAT IS WHAT
WE ARE DOING.
00:24:11QUITE FRANKLY, IF THE
LEGISLATURE HAS A BETTER IDEA, I
00:24:17AM UP FOR THAT.
I DON'T NEED TO BE IN THIS
00:24:19BUSINESS.
I JUST SAW THE NEED AND WANT TO
00:24:21STEP UP TO SERVE THE CAUSE OF
TRANSPARENCY.
00:24:23KAREN: THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY FROM YOU
00:24:27AND STATE LAWMAKERS WHICH WOULD
OPEN UP MORE DATA TO PUBLIC
00:24:32EXPECTION.
DO YOU FEEL THERE IS A
00:24:34CONFIDENCE AMONG PEOPLE, THAT
THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THEY DO NOT
00:24:38EDIT -- GET A CHANCE TO SEE WHAT
IS GOING ON IN THEIR GOVERNMENT?
00:24:42DO YOU THINK THIS WILL CONVINCE
PEOPLE THAT GOVERNMENT IS DOING
00:24:46WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO, OR WILL
IT MAKE THEM SUSPICIOUS OF THE
00:24:48GOVERNMENT?
DAVID: I THINK THERE ARE SOME
00:24:52PEOPLE THAT ARE SUSPICIOUS,
SURE.
00:24:55AND I WILL NOT SAY THAT THEY ARE
COMPLETELY WRONG.
00:24:57I WAS A NEWSPAPER REPORTER IN
THE 1980'S.
00:24:58GOVERNMENT IS LESS TRANSPARENT
IN SOME WAYS NOW, THEN IT WAS
00:25:02THEN.
IN OTHER WAYS, IT IS MORE
00:25:10TRANSPARENT NOW.
YOU COULD NOT LOOK UP DEEDS,
00:25:11MORTGAGES.
SO THERE HAVE BEEN ADVANCES,
00:25:17TOO.
I THINK THERE IS CONSTANT
00:25:21ATTENTION BETWEEN THE THINGS
THAT WE SHOULD KEEP PRIVATE, AND
00:25:26MOST OF WHAT GOVERNMENT DOES,
WHICH WE PUT OUT ON THE CORNER
00:25:33OF BROAD AND HIGH EVERY DAY.
KAREN: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
00:25:36AND WE CLOSE THIS WEEK WITH A
SPECIAL WELCOME TO A NEW MEMBER
00:25:39OF OUR EXTENDED FAMILY --
FELICITY CHOW.
00:25:41SHE ARRIVED THIS WEEK TO GREAT
ACCLAIM, FOR HER AND FOR HER
00:25:43PARENTS, VANESSA AND ANDY CHOW.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HER THOUGHTS
00:25:46ON IMPORTANT STATE ISSUES IN THE
FUTURE.
00:25:48CONGRATULATIONS.
AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
00:25:51FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO PUBLIC
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