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00:00:00>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF THE "STATE OF OHIO"
00:00:03COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES OF
PORTER, WRIGHT, MORRIS AND
00:00:06ARTHUR, LLP.
HELPING BUSINESS AND INDIVIDUALS
00:00:08SOLVE COMPLEX LEGAL PROBLEMS IN
OHIO, ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND
00:00:11AROUND THE WORLD.
ONLINE AT PORTERWRIGHT.COM.
00:00:16AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
00:00:19120,000 MEMBERS, WHO WORK TO
INSPIRE THEIR STUDENTS TO THINK
00:00:22CREATIVELY AND EXPERIENCE THE
JOY OF LEARNING.
00:00:26ONLINE AT OHEA.COM.
KAREN: THE STATE'S RAINY DAY
00:00:30ACCOUNT HAS REACHED A RECORD,
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
00:00:32THIS SUMMER'S WET WEATHER.
AND THE HISTORIC RULING
00:00:36LEGALIZING SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN
THE U.S. HAS PEOPLE IN OHIO
00:00:39WONDERING WHAT'S NEXT, BESIDES
MORE WEDDING INVITATIONS.
00:00:43WE'LL HEAR FROM TWO LAWMAKERS
WITH DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
00:00:46ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:54?
KAREN: RAIN BARRELS AND GAUGES
00:01:00AROUND THE STATE ARE NEARLY
OVERFLOWING AFTER THESE LAST FEW
00:01:02WEEKS, AND THE STATE'S RAINY DAY
FUND IS ALSO FULL.
00:01:06THE STATE'S SAVINGS ACCOUNT IS
NOW AT A RECORD HIGH OF A LITTLE
00:01:08OVER $2 BILLION, WITH A DEPOSIT
OF $526.6 MILLION MADE THIS
00:01:15THE BUDGET ALLOWED THE RAINY DAY
FUND'S MAXIMUM BALANCE TO BE
00:01:19INCREASED TO 8.5% OF GENERAL
FUND REVENUES, UP FROM 5%.
00:01:23BUT NOT EVERYONE'S HAPPY ABOUT
THAT.
00:01:25DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID THAT SOME OF
THAT MONEY COULD GO TO SCHOOLS
00:01:28AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WHICH
THEY SAY HAVEN'T RECOVERED FROM
00:01:31CUTS MADE FOUR YEARS AGO.
THE WEEKS AFTER THE BUDGET IS
00:01:35SIGNED ARE USUALLY SLOW AROUND
THE STATEHOUSE.
00:01:38GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH'S
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN LAUNCH IS
00:01:41SET FOR JULY 21, AND THAT'S
WHERE THE ATTENTION OF MANY HERE
00:01:43IS TURNED RIGHT NOW.
BUT THE LANDMARK RULING
00:01:47LEGALIZING SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN
THE UNITED STATES IS STILL BEING
00:01:50ABSORBED, DISSECTED, CELEBRATED
AND BLASTED BY PUNDITS,
00:01:56POLITICIANS, ACTIVISTS AND
ADVOCATES.
00:01:58THE RULING MADE IT CLEAR THAT
STATES MUST RECOGNIZE SAME-SEX
00:02:00UNIONS IN THE SAME WAY THAT
OPPOSITE-SEX UNIONS ARE.
00:02:03BUT THERE ARE THOSE ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE DECISION
00:02:06AFFECTS RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS
AND OFFICIANTS, EVEN THOUGH
00:02:09JUSTICE ANTHONY KENNEDY WROTE IN
THE MAJORITY OPINION, "IT MUST
00:02:12BE EMPHASIZED THAT RELIGIONS,
AND THOSE WHO ADHERE TO
00:02:15RELIGIOUS DOCTRINES, MAY
CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE WITH
00:02:18UTMOST, SINCERE CONVICTION THAT,
BY DIVINE PRECEPTS, SAME-SEX
00:02:22MARRIAGE SHOULD NOT BE CONDONED.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT ENSURES THAT
00:02:26RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS AND
PERSONS ARE GIVEN PROPER
00:02:29PROTECTION AS THEY SEEK TO TEACH
THE PRINCIPLES THAT ARE SO
00:02:33FULFILLING AND SO CENTRAL TO
THEIR LIVES AND FAITHS, AND TO
00:02:36THEIR OWN DEEP ASPIRATIONS TO
CONTINUE THE FAMILY STRUCTURE
00:02:39THEY HAVE LONG REVERED."
THIS WEEK, KANSAS GOVERNOR SAM
00:02:44BROWNBACK SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE
ORDER THAT HE SAYS WOULD PROTECT
00:02:47THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM OF CLERGY
WHO OPPOSE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
00:02:51A LAW SIMILAR TO THAT WAS SIGNED
IN TEXAS IN EARLY JUNE, TWO
00:02:55WEEKS BEFORE THE DECISION.
SIMILAR MEASURES ARE UNDER
00:02:59DISCUSSION BEFORE LAWMAKERS IN
ALABAMA, OKLAHOMA, TENNESSEE,
00:03:03AND SOON PERHAPS, IN OHIO.
REPRESENTATIVE NINO VITALE, A
00:03:07REPUBLICAN OF URBANA WEST OF
COLUMBUS, HAS PROPOSED THE
00:03:09PASTOR PROTECTION ACT.
HE SAYS IT WILL ALLOW PASTORS,
00:03:13MINISTERS AND MEMBERS OF THE
CLERGY TO EXERCISE RELIGIOUS
00:03:15LIBERTY AND ONLY PERFORM
CEREMONIES IF THEY ARE IN LINE
00:03:18WITH THEIR DEEPLY HELD RELIGIOUS
BELIEFS.
00:03:21I TALKED WITH REPRESENTATIVE
VITALE ABOUT HIS PROPOSAL THIS
00:03:23WEEK.
YOU HAVE INTRODUCED A RULING --
00:03:31A MEASURE THAT YOU SAY WILL
PROTECT CLERGY FROM BEING FORCED
00:03:36TO OFFICIATE AND PERFORM
CEREMONIES THAT THEY DISAGREE
00:03:38WITH.
YOU SAY THE ROOTS OF THAT CASE
00:03:40ARE NOT NECESSARILY -- AND THE
HOBBY LOBBY CASE WHERE YOU HAVE
00:03:45THE QUESTION OF WHETHER
EMPLOYERS NEEDS TO GO AGAINST
00:03:50THEIR DEEPLY HELD POLICE TO
COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
00:03:51IN THAT CASE, IT WAS EMPLOYERS
-- CHRISTIAN OWNERS WHO DID NOT
00:03:57WANT TO PROVIDE BIRTH CONTROL.
TELL ME HOW THAT ALL COMES
00:04:02TOGETHER IN THIS ACT.
REPRESENTATIVE VITALE: PART OF
00:04:06WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE MANDATE
IS THE GOVERNMENT IS STARTING TO
00:04:09TELL BUSINESS OWNED BY
INDIVIDUALS WHAT THEY SHOULD OR
00:04:15SHOULD NOT DO.
OUR FAMILY BUSINESS WAS PART OF
00:04:19THAT LAWSUIT.
WHAT WAS INTERESTING IN THAT
00:04:23DECISION AND TROUBLING IS THE
DEFINITION OF THE WORD "PERSON"
00:04:29WAS BEING THIS QUEST -- BEING
DISCUSSED QUITE HEAVILY.
00:04:32THE TERM IS INDIVIDUAL AND
CORPORATION AND SEVERAL OTHER
00:04:37THINGS.
DURING THAT PROCESS, THERE WAS
00:04:43THIS DISCUSSION OF CHANGING WHAT
PERSON MEANT WHEN THAT WAS NOT
00:04:46PART OF THE DISCUSSION AT ALL.
I GET CONCERNED ABOUT -- DO WE
00:04:50HAVE LAWS OR NOT?
THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THIS CAME
00:04:56-- IN THAT CASE, WE WERE NOT
TELLING FOLKS YOU CANNOT TAKE
00:05:02DRUGS.
WE DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THEM.
00:05:06THAT WAS OUR ISSUE.
KAREN: IN THE RULING, THE
00:05:11JUSTICE WROTE "IT MUST BE
EMPHASIZED THAT RELIGION AND
00:05:16THOSE WHO ADHERE TO RELIGIOUS
DOCTRINE MAY BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE
00:05:19WITH UTMOST SINCERE CONVICTION
THAT BY DIVINE PRECEPT, SAME-SEX
00:05:23MARRIAGE SHOULD NOT BE CONDONED.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT ENSURES THAT
00:05:29RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS AND
PERSONS ARE GIVEN PROPER
00:05:31PROTECTION AS THEY SEEK TO TEACH
THE PRINCIPLES THAT ARE SO
00:05:33FULFILLING AND SO CENTRAL TO
THEIR LIVES AND FACE."
00:05:37DID YOU FEEL IT MORE SEALS IN
THIS LANGUAGE?
00:05:42REPRESENTATIVE VITALE: WHAT THIS
LAW DOES -- IT IS SHORT.
00:05:48IT WILL BE AROUND THREE QUARTERS
OF THE PAGE.
00:05:54IT'S A CLARIFICATION, REALLY.
IF THAT IS ENOUGH, THIS LAW DOES
00:05:58NOT DO ANYTHING MORE THAN
CLARIFICATION FOR THE STATE OF
00:06:00OHIO.
ONE THING THAT IS MISSING IF YOU
00:06:04READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE DECISION
IS HE DOES NOT MENTION "FREE
00:06:06EXERCISE OF RELIGION."
EXERCISE WAS NOT THERE.
00:06:10WHILE WE PUT A LOT OF WEIGHT
INTO WHAT KENNEDY SAID, IT WAS
00:06:16INTERESTING THAT ALL FOUR
DISSENTING JUSTICES WROTE THEIR
00:06:17OWN DISSENT, WHICH IS UNUSUAL.
USUALLY HAVE ONE FROM THE
00:06:22DISSENTING SITE.
WHAT CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS SAID,
00:06:28PEOPLE UP IT CAN TAKE NO COMFORT
IN THE TREATMENT THEY RECEIVED
00:06:29FROM THE MAJORITY TODAY.
-- PEOPLE OF FAITH CAN TAKE NO
00:06:33COMFORT.
CLARENCE THOMAS -- THIS ONE
00:06:37STRUCK ME.
IT APPEARS ALL BUT INEVITABLE
00:06:42THAT TOO WILL COME INTO
CONFLICT, PARTICULARLY AS
00:06:44INDIVIDUALS AND CHURCHES ARE
CONFRONTED WITH DEMAND TO
00:06:48ENDORSE CIVIL MARRIAGES BETWEEN
SAME-SEX COUPLES.
00:06:51THERE IS DEFINITELY TENSION
BETWEEN WHAT KENNEDY HAS WRITTEN
00:06:56AND WHAT THE OTHER JUSTICES HAVE
WRITTEN.
00:06:57KAREN: YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE I
INTERVIEWED HIM A MINISTER FROM
00:07:03THE GROUP SAYING THERE IS A
BUREAU LAWSUITS.
00:07:06-- FEAR OF LAWSUITS.
ACTIVISTS WILL TARGET CHURCHES.
00:07:12THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE TRY TO STOP.
REPRESENTATIVE VITALE: RIGHT.
00:07:16I'VE HEARD FROM PASTORS WHO SAY
WE DON'T REALLY THINK THIS IS
00:07:22NECESSARY.
GREAT, WELL THIS WON'T AFFECT
00:07:26ANYTHING YOU ARE DOING IN YOUR
FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION.
00:07:27THERE ARE OTHER PASTORS AND
CHURCH COMMUNITIES THAT DO FEEL
00:07:33A BILL THAT PROTECTS THEM AND
THE BUILDINGS -- I'M TRYING TO
00:07:37GO OFF OF THAT.
WE HAVE SOME CASES IN IDAHO
00:07:40WHERE THERE ARE TWO MINISTERS
WHO OWNED A WEDDING CHAPEL AND
00:07:43THEY HAVE BEEN SUED FOR -- THIS
WAS BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT
00:07:47DECISION.
IT WAS A FEDERAL JUDGE THAT
00:07:49OVERTURNED AND IDAHO LAW THAT
SAID SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS NOW
00:07:53LEGAL THERE AS WELL.
WE HAVE SOME EVIDENCE THAT SOME
00:07:57OF THESE THINGS MAY BE
OCCURRING.
00:07:58KAREN: I PASTORS AND PEOPLE ARE
NOT GOING TO GO TO SOMEBODY WHO
00:08:06WON'T MARRY THEM.
YOU ARE SAYING THIS LAW WILL BE
00:08:10UNNECESSARY IN THAT CASE?
REPRESENTATIVE VITALE: WHAT I'M
00:08:14SAYING IS THAT PEOPLE WHO FEEL
THEY NEED THE ADDED PROTECTION,
00:08:18WHAT HAS BEEN GIVEN THROUGH
JUSTICE KENNEDY'S OPINION AND
00:08:23THROUGH THE DISSENTING OPINION
IS SHEDDING LIGHT THAT WE HAVE
00:08:28POTENTIAL TENSION BUILDING.
I WOULD RATHER SEE NOT HAVE THE
00:08:34PASTORS AND CHURCH COMMITTEES
VERSUS WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO GO
00:08:36AGAINST THEM, I GUESS.
I WOULD RATHER NOT SEE THAT IN
00:08:38THE STATE OF OHIO.
KAREN: DO YOU THINK FEDERAL LAW
00:08:43IS ENOUGH TO COVER THE STATE OF
OHIO?
00:08:44APPARENTLY NOT.
FEDERAL STATUTES WOULD NOT BE
00:08:48ENOUGH.
THIS IS AN EXTRA EFFORT TO COVER
00:08:52OHIO CLERGY MEMBERS.
REPRESENTATIVE VITALE: THAT IS
00:08:56IN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
WE HAVE 3.3 MILLION PEOPLE WHO
00:08:58VOTED TO ENSHRINE THAT MARRIAGE
IS BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE
00:09:02WOMAN.
WE HAVE A 35 WORD AMENDMENT.
00:09:05WE HAVE FIVE JUDGES WHO
OVERTURNED THE WILL OF 3.3
00:09:10OHIOANS.
I HAVE NO IDEA.
00:09:16WE WILL SEE.
I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS WORTH
00:09:19HAVING.
WHERE DID THINGS GO WITH STATE
00:09:25RIGHTS VERSUS FEDERAL LIGHTS --
RIGHTS?
00:09:27WHAT THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE MEANS
AND NOT JUST READING WHAT IT
00:09:32MEANS.
GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT
00:09:40HISTORY, IT'S CLEAR FROM PEOPLE
LIKE ALEXANDER HAMILTON, MAYBE
00:09:46THIS GENERAL GOVERNMENT IS BEING
VERY SPECIFIC WITH ENUMERATED
00:09:47POWERS.
THE RIGHTS OF THE STATES BEING
00:09:49NUMEROUS IS THE WORDS THEY
ACTUALLY USE.
00:09:53YOUR QUESTION IS A VALID ONE BUT
I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THAT.
00:09:58KAREN: LAST WEEK, I TALKED TO A
REPRESENTATIVE FROM EQUALITY
00:10:02OHIO WHO SEND NOW THAT MARRIAGE
EQUALITY HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED,
00:10:08THEY WILL TURN THEIR ATTENTION
TO OTHER ISSUES LIKE
00:10:11NONDISCRIMINATION LEGISLATION.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
00:10:15IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN
SUPPORT?
00:10:17PEOPLE IN THE WORKPLACE AND THAT
SORT OF THING.
00:10:22REPRESENTATIVE VITALE: MY FAITH
TEACHES WE SHOULD NOT
00:10:27DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANYONE.
I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THOSE
00:10:30BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE CLASSIFY
AND SAY ONE PERSON OR ONE GROUP
00:10:32DESERVES A SPECIAL RIGHT OR
SPECIAL PROTECTION, WE ARE THEN
00:10:37SOMEHOW DISENFRANCHISING OTHER
GROUPS RATHER THAN SAYING WE ARE
00:10:40ALL CREATED EQUAL.
WE MAY NOT ALL BE THE SAME, BUT
00:10:45WE ARE CERTAINLY WILL.
-- CERTAINLY EQUAL.
00:10:47THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH THAT, IF
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE -- IF WE
00:10:55ARE GOING TO GO TO THE LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS AND GET THESE
00:10:56ANTIDISCRIMINATION LANGUAGE
ENSHRINED IN THE CODE, IS IT
00:11:02TRUE THAT A PASTOR WHO SAYS THAT
IS NOT WITHIN OUR RELIGIOUS
00:11:07BELIEFS OR WE DON'T WANT YOU TO
USE THE TERM FOR YOUR CEREMONY
00:11:15OR YOUR PARTY, DOES IT THEN GO
AGAINST THE LOCAL
00:11:18ANTIDISCRIMINATION LAWS AND NOW
WE HAVE A LAWSUIT?
00:11:20WHICH IS WHAT THIS AIMS TO
PROTECT.
00:11:22KAREN: THE WHOLE IDEA OF ALL
CREATED EQUAL, ARE YOU
00:11:28PERSONALLY OPPOSED TO SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE?
00:11:31IF EVERYONE IS EQUAL, SHOULDN'T
ALL MARRIAGES BEAGLE -- BE
00:11:39EQUAL?
REPRESENTATIVE VITALE: LOVE IS
00:11:45EQUAL AND GENDERLESS, BUT I
DON'T BELIEVE MARRIAGE IS.
00:11:47WHAT I PERSONALLY BELIEVE IS
MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN ONE MAN AND
00:11:52ONE WOMAN.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE
00:11:55DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE AND
WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
00:11:57WE DON'T FOLLOW ONE PARTICULAR
CHURCH.
00:12:00WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO SO.
I APPRECIATE THAT BUT I ALSO
00:12:06WANT TO LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE
FOLKS ARE PROPOSING THEIR VIEWS,
00:12:08NOT IMPOSING THEIR VIEWS.
IF THE CHURCHES WANT TO CONTINUE
00:12:13TO DO SOMETHING IN A TRAJECTORY
-- MANY PASTORS SAY IT'S FINE.
00:12:18THAT IS THEIR CHOICE TO DO SO.
ARE WE GOING TO LIVE IN A
00:12:23SOCIETY THAT PROPOSES OR
IMPOSES?
00:12:27KAREN: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
PROPOSING AND IMPOSING, THERE
00:12:31ARE SOME ACTIVISTS WHO WOULD SAY
THAT ABORTION RESTRICTIONS ARE
00:12:36IMPOSING CERTAIN PEOPLES
RELIGIOUS VIEWS ON OTHER PEOPLE.
00:12:39HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
REPRESENTATIVE VITALE: THE
00:12:44ABORTION DEBATE IS A DIFFERENT
ONE IN THAT I WOULD SAY FOLKS
00:12:48LIKE ME WHO ARE POOR LIKE THAT
PRO-LIFE BELIEVE WE ARE TALKING
00:12:54ABOUT ANOTHER LIFE AND THE
PROTECTION OF BOTH.
00:12:55IF YOU BELIEVE LIFE CAN START AT
CONCEPTION, IT'S NOT FOR ME TO
00:13:04IMPOSE THE DEATH SENTENCE ON
THAT SECOND LIFE.
00:13:07JUST AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
SIX OR EIGHT INCHES, HOW DO THE
00:13:14RIGHTS CHANGE?
IS IT DEFINED BY WHERE WE ARE?
00:13:18KAREN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
BEING HERE.
00:13:24THE OBERGEFELL RULING GOT A MUCH
DIFFERENT RECEPTION IN THE HOME
00:13:28OF ONE OF REPRESENTATIVE
VITALE'S DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES,
00:13:30REPRESENTATIVE NICKIE ANTONIO OF
LAKEWOOD NEAR CLEVELAND IS THE
00:13:34STATE'S FIRST OPENLY GAY STATE
LAWMAKER.
00:13:36SHE WROTE IN A STATEMENT
RELEASED THAT DAY, "THIS RULING
00:13:39GIVES ME HOPE THAT SOMETIME IN
THE NEAR FUTURE, JEAN KOSMAC, MY
00:13:44PARTNER OF 21 YEARS, AND I WILL
GATHER OUR DAUGHTERS, FRIENDS
00:13:46AND FAMILY AND LEGALLY MARRY, A
DECISION THE STATE OF OHIO HAS
00:13:50DENIED TO US UNTIL TODAY.
WE HAVE MUCH WORK TO DO TO
00:13:54ACHIEVE FULL EQUALITY FOR
MEMBERS OF THE LGBT COMMUNITY,
00:13:57BUT THIS DECISION AFFIRMS OUR
FAMILIES AND GRANTS THEM THE
00:14:01DIGNITY AND RESPECT WE HAVE
SOUGHT FOR OURSELVES AND OUR
00:14:03CHILDREN."
I TALKED WITH HER THIS WEEK AS
00:14:05WELL.
REPRESENTATIVE ANTONIO: I HAVE
00:14:13NEVER SHIED AWAY FROM THE
COMPLETENESS OF WHO I AM.
00:14:14I'M VERY PROUD OF MY FAMILY.
THIS WAS THAT MOMENT AND IT WAS
00:14:20PERSONAL AS WELL AS A POLICY
MAKER, I CERTAINLY FEEL A
00:14:26RESPONSIBILITY THAT THERE IS
MORE WORK TO DO.
00:14:29IN THAT MOMENT, TO CELEBRATE ALL
THE FAMILIES I KNOW, ALL THE
00:14:36PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF
OHIO AND THE COUNTRY WHO
00:14:38CELEBRATED IN THAT MOMENT, THERE
WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE.
00:14:41IT MAKES SUCH A DIFFERENCE IN
AFFIRMING THEIR RELATIONSHIPS,
00:14:49THEIR FAMILIES.
AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S VERY
00:14:54PERSONAL BECAUSE I'M ONE OF
THOSE PEOPLE IN THE SITUATION
00:14:56WHERE -- I TALKED LATER THAT
DAY.
00:15:00I HAVE THE HONOR AND PRIVILEGE
OF SERVING IN THE HOUSE OF
00:15:06REPRESENTATIVES.
I CAN VOTE ON BILLS THAT COULD
00:15:12POSSIBLY AFFECT 11 MILLION
PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF OHIO AND
00:15:13YET, I CANNOT MAKE A PERSONAL
DECISION ABOUT WHO TO MARRY FOR
00:15:20MYSELF.
THAT WAS A REAL CONFLICT.
00:15:26SUDDENLY, WITH A STROKE OF THE
DECISION, AND CHANGED
00:15:28EVERYTHING.
KAREN: YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE.
00:15:32I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT THERE ARE
OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS.
00:15:36SOME OF THEM REPUBLICAN WHO ARE
NOW FINDING THIS FREEDOM AND ARE
00:15:42ABLE TO LEGALLY MARRY AND BE
PRESENT AT SAME-SEX WEDDINGS,
00:15:47WHICH ARE NOW JUST WEDDINGS.
THE DIRECTOR OF THE OHIO -- IT'S
00:15:54EXTRAORDINARY, ISN'T IT?
REPRESENTATIVE ANTONIO: IT IS.
00:16:02PEOPLE WONDER WHAT THE SNOWBALL
EFFECT OF EVERYTHING -- ONE OF
00:16:05THE THINGS I REALLY THINK PEOPLE
ARE GOING TO FIND HIS THEY ARE
00:16:09GOING TO BE SURPRISED BY HOW
MANY PEOPLE FROM THE LG BT
00:16:11COMMUNITY HAS BEEN HIDING RIGHT
IN FRONT OF THEM.
00:16:16THEY DID NOT SEE THEM.
MAYBE IT WAS JUST A MISSION.
00:16:22-- OMISSION.
THE INFORMATION JUST NEVER CAME
00:16:31UP, IT WASN'T AN ISSUE IN THEIR
JOB OR WHATEVER.
00:16:33AS THE CONVERSATIONS INCREASE, A
LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
00:16:38COME OUT AND FEEL CONFIDENT AND
COMFORTABLE.
00:16:41I THINK SOME PEOPLE WILL BE
SURPRISED.
00:16:45KAREN: THERE WAS A LOT OF
CELEBRATION IN YOUR FAMILY AND
00:16:50YOUR COMMUNITY UP IN LAKEWOOD.
THERE WERE OTHERS WHO WERE NOT
00:16:55CELEBRATING.
SOME CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE
00:16:57GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT
WERE VERY CONCERNED.
00:17:00WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?
DO YOU HAVE ANY SYMPATHY FOR
00:17:06THEM?
YOU FEEL IT WAS A SOLID
00:17:11WONDERFUL THING AND THEY FEEL IT
WAS A SUNDAY NOT TO WONDERFUL
00:17:12THING.
-- SUDDEN NOT SO WONDERFUL
00:17:16THING.
REPRESENTATIVE ANTONIO: I HAVE A
00:17:18SENSE OF EMPATHY.
I TRULY DO BELIEVE IN THE
00:17:23DIGNITY AND WORTH OF EVERY
SINGLE PERSON.
00:17:24IT'S A PART OF MY PERSONAL
PRACTICE AND MY BELIEF SYSTEM.
00:17:27IT SADDENS ME THAT THERE WERE
SOME PEOPLE -- I KNOWLEDGE, I
00:17:33KNOW THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE
NOT CELEBRATING.
00:17:34THAT'S A PART OF THE
MULTILAYERED WEB OF OUR
00:17:45EXISTENCE, OF OUR CULTURE.
SOME PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY AND
00:17:49SOME PEOPLE WOULD NOT.
I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE
00:17:51A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS TO BE
HAD.
00:17:54I TRULY BELIEVE THAT RELIGIOUS
PRACTICES ARE PROTECTED.
00:17:59THEY HAVE BEEN PROTECTED BY
FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, THAT DID
00:18:07NOT CHANGE WITH THIS RULING.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE
00:18:11CONTINUE TO HAVE THE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT IT DOES
00:18:13AND DOES NOT MEAN.
I DON'T THINK -- I KNOW I'M NOT
00:18:18ALONE.
I WOULD NEVER WANT TO SUDDENLY
00:18:22HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING
IN MY PERSONAL LIFE THAT IS
00:18:32GOING TO CAUSE SOMEONE IN THEIR
PERSONAL LIFE PAIN AND
00:18:36SUFFERING.
HAVING SAID THAT, IT'S HOW MY
00:18:40PERSONAL DECISIONS AFFECT THEM.
I BELIEVE MY DECISION TO MARRY
00:18:44OR NOT WILL ONLY AFFECT MY
IMMEDIATE FAMILY AND NO ONE
00:18:47ELSE.
AS FAR AS HAVING THE RIGHT TO DO
00:18:49THAT, WHAT THE COURT UPHELD WAS
THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE GAY AND
00:18:54LESBIAN HAVE EQUAL PROTECTION
UNDER THE LAW.
00:18:58THAT IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE FELT.
IT WAS AN AFFIRMATION OF THEIR
00:19:03CITIZENSHIP AND THEIR RIGHTS
UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION.
00:19:07KAREN: YOU REFERENCED THE FIRST
AMENDMENT PROTECTION FOR CLERGY,
00:19:12WHICH WAS REFERENCED IN THE
RULING.
00:19:13NOW, WE HAVE THE PASTOR
PROTECTION ACT.
00:19:16HE FEELS THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
THING TO PUT OUT THERE WITH THE
00:19:21IDEA OF PASTORS AND CLERGY
MEMBERS SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO
00:19:25PERFORM MARRIAGES OR WEDDING
CEREMONIES AND SHOULD BE
00:19:30PROTECTED FROM LAWSUITS.
DO YOU FEEL THAT IS NEEDED?
00:19:34DO YOU FEEL ACTION ON THE STATE
LEVEL IS NEEDED AT THIS POINT?
00:19:40REPRESENTATIVE ANTONIO:
PERSONALLY, I DON'T.
00:19:43I BELIEVE THAT THE PROTECTIONS
ARE THERE.
00:19:46IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE
CONVERSATION.
00:19:49CLEARLY, WHAT'S NEEDED ARE
ASSURANCES.
00:19:52IT'S INTERESTING FOR ME BECAUSE
SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THE
00:20:00LEGISLATURE, MOST PEOPLE WOULD
PUT ME IN A LIBERAL CATEGORY.
00:20:02I HAVE FOUND OUT SOME THINGS
ABOUT MYSELF IN THAT I'M VERY
00:20:10CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO
AMENDING THE LAW WHEN IT'S NOT
00:20:12NECESSARY OR BEING VERY, VERY
MINDFUL AND CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE
00:20:17DO THAT.
WE DON'T EVER PUT INTO LAW
00:20:24UNNECESSARY THINGS THAT ALREADY
EXIST.
00:20:28I APPRECIATE AND APPLY THE
CONVERSATION THAT BILL IS GOING
00:20:35TO HAVE.
WE NEED TO HAVE THE
00:20:37CONVERSATION.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, MY HOPE
00:20:40IS IT WILL BE VERY CLEAR THAT
THE ASSURANCES ARE ALREADY THERE
00:20:44AND ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION IS
NOT NEEDED TO PROTECT PASTORS AT
00:20:48THIS POINT.
KAREN: ANTIDISCRIMINATION
00:20:51LEGISLATION, THAT'S SOMETHING IN
FEDERAL LAW BUT NOT IN STATE
00:20:57LAW.
THAT SOMETHING ADVOCATES WHO
00:20:58HAVE WORKED ON AMERICAN POLITY
ARE TURNING THEIR FOCUS TO.
00:21:03WHAT'S THE CHANCE OF ANY OF THAT
PASSING?
00:21:06KAREN: EVERY GENERAL ASSEMBLY
THAT I HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE, I
00:21:12HAVE REDUCED -- RICHARD USED --
REINTRODUCED THE LAW BECAUSE
00:21:20THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE NOT THERE
FOR MEMBERS OF THE LG BT
00:21:22COMMUNITY.
KAREN: YOU JUST SAID YOU DON'T
00:21:29NEED IT AND OHIO LAW BECAUSE WE
HAVEN'T IN FEDERAL LAW.
00:21:30REPRESENTATIVE ANTONIO: IT DOES
NOT PLAY OUT ON THE STATE LEVEL.
00:21:31-- WE HAVE IT IN FEDERAL LAW.
WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING
00:21:38EMPLOYMENT AND PUBLIC
ACCOMMODATION.
00:21:41THIS RULING FOR MARRIAGE
EQUALITY HAS HIGHLIGHTED THE
00:21:47FACT THAT THERE IS CAP'S IN ALL
OF THIS THAT GAPS IN ALL OF
00:21:52THIS.
WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS AND
00:21:55CERTAINLY, SOMETHING IN THE
FUTURE.
00:21:57WHAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IN A
PERFECT WORLD IS IF WE COULD
00:22:07FIND SOME WAY FORWARD THAT WOULD
PROVIDE THE ASSURANCES THAT
00:22:18RELIGIOUS PROTECTIONS ARE THERE
AND THAT PROTECTIONS FOR THE LG
00:22:22BT COMMUNITY ARE ALSO THERE FOR
EMPLOYMENT AND HOUSING.
00:22:27I AM ALWAYS A GLASS HALF-FULL
PERSON.
00:22:31I BELIEVE THAT COULD BE
POSSIBLE.
00:22:35I'M HOPING FOR THAT.
MY INTENTION IS TO HAVE
00:22:43CONVERSATIONS IN THE NEXT COUPLE
OF MONTHS TO SEE IF THERE IS A
00:22:46WAY FORWARD TO DO THAT.
KAREN: THERE IS STILL A
00:22:48CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT -- A
STATE LAW.
00:22:52DOES THERE NEED TO BE
LEGISLATION TO REMOVE THAT LAW
00:22:58OR GET RID OF THAT LAW?
IS THERE ANY NEED TO DO ALL THAT
00:23:05OR DOES THE RULING MAKE IT
CLEAR?
00:23:07REPRESENTATIVE ANTONIO: I KNOW
THE RULING MAKES IT CLEAR AND
00:23:11WEDDINGS HAVE HAPPENED WITHIN
THE HOUR.
00:23:15THEY ARE LEGAL AND BINDING.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, FOR
00:23:23SOME OF THE JUDICIAL EXPERTS IN
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW EXPERTS TO
00:23:27LOOK AT, IS THERE A TAKEAWAY WE
NEED TO DO.
00:23:30I'M ALSO VERY CONSERVATIVE WHEN
IT COMES TO EMBEDDING THINGS IN
00:23:35THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE HERE IS
A SITUATION WHERE IN 11 YEARS
00:23:39TIME, THINGS HAVE CHANGED -- SO
MUCH HAS CHANGED THAT HOW WE GO
00:23:50ABOUT CLEANING THAT UP, I'M NOT
100% SURE.
00:23:55PART OF THIS, WE ENTER INTO A
PLACE OF OUR OWN WORLD AND HOW
00:24:04WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS ACROSS
THE BOARD.
00:24:05I'M HOPEFUL THAT WHETHER SOMEONE
IS A CONSERVATIVE OR LIBERAL,
00:24:14HOW DO WE LOOK AT -- TODAY, THIS
IS THE LAW OF THE LAND, HOW DO
00:24:20WE GO FORWARD IN A WAY THAT
REALLY ESTABLISHES THE
00:24:24CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF
EVERYONE?
00:24:25ALL 11 MILLION PEOPLE.
THAT'S OUR CHARGE RIGHT NOW.
00:24:31KAREN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
BEING HERE.
00:24:34LAST WEEK, WE HEARD FROM TWO
PEOPLE ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE
00:24:37ISSUE -- PASTOR TIM THROCKMORTON
OF CROSSROADS CHURCH IN
00:24:40CIRCLEVILLE AND A BOARD MEMBER
OF CITIZENS FOR COMMUNITY
00:24:43VALUES, THE GROUP THAT GOT THE
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
00:24:46DEFINING MARRIAGE ONTO THE 2004
BALLOT, AND ELYZABETH HOLFORD,
00:24:51THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
EQUALITY OHIO, THE STATE'S
00:24:54LEADING LGBT RIGHTS GROUP AND A
LONGTIME BACKER OF MARRIAGE
00:24:57EQUALITY.
YOU CAN HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS ON
00:25:00THE RULING AND WHAT'S NEXT IN
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