00:00:38>> A KILLER IS PUT TO DEATH, AS
THE NEXT IN LINE CONTINUES TO
00:00:40FIGHT HIS SCHEDULED EXECUTION.
THE BATTLE OVER PROVISIONAL
00:00:44BALLOTS GOES ON, EVEN THOUGH THE
ELECTION IS OVER.
00:00:46AND TWO AMAZINGLY ACCURATE
FORECASTERS TALK ABOUT HOW
00:00:50THEIR PREDICTIONS FOR THE 2012
ELECTION CAME TRUE, AND WHAT
00:00:53THEY SEE AHEAD FOR STATE
LAWMAKERS AND OHIO POLITICS
00:00:56GOING INTO YEAR'S END.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:59OHIO".
FOR THE 49TH TIME SINCE 1999,
00:01:05OHIO HAS PUT A CONDEMNED KILLER
TO DEATH.
00:01:07AND THE EXECUTION OF 38 YEAR
OLD BRETT HARTMAN WAS CARRIED
00:01:11OUT WITH NO APPARENT
COMPLICATIONS.
00:01:13HARTMAN WAS SENTENCED TO DIE
FOR STABBING WINDA SNIPES OF
00:01:16AKRON 138 TIMES AND THEN CUTTING
OFF HER HANDS IN 1997.
00:01:20IT WAS A CRIME HE ALWAYS
MAINTAINED HE WAS INNOCENT OF
00:01:24DOING.
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS'S ANDREW
00:01:27WELSH-HUGGINS, A VETERAN MEDIA
WITNESS OF MANY EXECUTIONS AND
00:01:30THE AUTHOR OF A BOOK ABOUT THE
DEATH PENALTY IN OHIO, SAW
00:01:33HARTMAN RECEIVE THE LETHAL
INJECTION.
00:01:35>> HE REALLY DID NOT GIVE A
FINAL STATEMENT.
00:01:38WHEN THE WARDEN ASKED HIM IF HE
HAD ANY LAST WORDS, HE SIMPLY
00:01:41SAID, "I'M GOOD. LET'S ROLL."
HE THEN DID SOMETHING WHICH WAS
00:01:46A LITTLE UNUSUAL.
HE TURNED TO THE WARDEN AND
00:01:50SAID TO THE WARDEN, "THIS IS
NOT GOING TO DEFEAT ME."
00:01:53>> THE NEXT INMATE SCHEDULED TO
DIE IN JANUARY, RONALD POST, IS
00:01:59BATTLING TO HAVE HIS EXECUTION
BECAUSE HE WEIGHS MORE THAN 400
00:02:04POUNDS AND FEARS HE WOULD
SUFFER SEVERE PAIN BECAUSE HIS
00:02:06VEINS CAN'T BE ACCESSED.
THE LAME DUCK SESSION OF THE
00:02:10LEGISLATURE IS WELL UNDERWAY.
A LONG AWAITED BILL THAT WOULD
00:02:13CRACK DOWN ON HIGH-VOLUME DOG
BREEDING OPERATIONS, DUBBED
00:02:17PUPPY MILLS, WAS APPROVED IN
THE HOUSE THIS WEEK/FAILED IN
00:02:19THE HOUSE THIS WEEK, AFTER A
LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE VOTED IT
00:02:22OUT 18-1.
THE BILL WOULD BOLSTER
00:02:25REGULATIONS ON THE CARE AND
TREATMENT OF ANIMALS HOUSED IN
00:02:27LARGE-SCALE ESTABLISHMENTS AND
WOULD DISTINGUISH THE
00:02:31FACILITIES FROM TRADITIONAL DOG
KENNELS.
00:02:33THOSE CONSIDERED "DOG
RETAILERS" WOULD HAVE TO BE
00:02:35LICENSED.
AND THIS WEEK ALSO BROUGHT
00:02:38HEARINGS ON SOME ABORTION-
RELATED BILLS, AS RUMORS SWIRL
00:02:41THAT THERE'S A DEAL TO BRING
THE CONTROVERSIAL "HEARTBEAT
00:02:43BILL" TO THE SENATE FLOOR BEFORE
THE END OF THE YEAR.
00:02:46LAWMAKERS HEARD TESTIMONY ON
BILLS TO BAN ABORTION FOR SEX
00:02:55SELECTION AND TO PUT PLANNED
PARENTHOOD BACK OF THE LINE
00:03:00AMONG THOSE THAT RECEIVE PUBLIC
FUNDS USED FOR FAMILY PLANNING
00:03:04SERVICES, BEHIND ALL OTHER
HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS SUCH AS
00:03:06COMMUNITY HEALTH GROUPS.
AND A QUICK ELECTION WRAP UP.
00:03:09SECRETARY OF STATE JON HUSTED'S
OFFICE SAYS HE WILL APPEAL THE
00:03:13RULING OF A FEDERAL JUDGE
ORDERING HIM TO CHANGE HIS
00:03:16POLICY ON THE COUNTING OF
PROVISIONAL BALLOTS IN LAST
00:03:19WEEK'S ELECTION.
JUDGE ALGERNON MARBLEY SAYS
00:03:22HUSTED WAS WRONG WHEN HE ISSUED
A DIRECTIVE LAST FRIDAY, THE
00:03:26START OF THE ONLY WEEKEND OF
EARLY VOTING, SAYING
00:03:28PROVISIONAL BALLOTS SHOULD BE
TOSSED OUT IF VOTERS DIDN'T FILL
00:03:32OUT PARTS CORRECTLY.
HUSTED HAD ARGUED THE MOVE WAS
00:03:35NEEDED TO COMBAT POSSIBLE VOTER
FRAUD.
00:03:36BUT THE JUDGE CALLS HUSTED'S
DIRECTIVE AN EFFORT "TO FLAUNT
00:03:40STATE LAW IN ARBITRARILY
REASSIGNING A POLL WORKERS'
00:03:45STATUTORY DUTY TO A VOTER, WITH
THE RESULT BEING
00:03:49DISENFRANCHISEMENT."
UNOFFICIAL RESULTS SHOW THE
00:03:52ELECTIONS FOR 3 SEATS IN THE
OHIO HOUSE ARE STILL TOO CLOSE
00:03:55TO CALL - THE RACES IN THE 5TH,
7TH AND THE 98TH.
00:03:58SO WHEN PROVISIONAL BALLOTS ARE
COUNTED, THOSE VOTES COULD
00:04:03DECIDE WHO WINS THOSE SEATS.
CANDIDATES IS LESS THAN A
00:04:07QUARTER OF A PERCENT, THERE
WILL BE AUTOMATIC RECOUNTS IN
00:04:10THOSE RACES.
AND IF MAJORITY REPUBLICANS WIN
00:04:14THEM, IT COULD GIVE THE GOP A
SUPERMAJORITY SO THAT
00:04:16REPUBLICANS ALONE COULD PLACE
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS ON
00:04:19THE BALLOT.
COOKIE MONSTER, CLINT EASTWOOD,
00:04:24NEW YORK JETS QUARTERBACK TIM
TEBOW, COMEDIAN JON STEWART AND
00:04:27GOD ALL RECEIVED WRITE-IN VOTES
FOR PRESIDENT FROM OHIO VOTERS.
00:04:29A REVIEW BY THE CANTON
REPOSITORY OF BALLOTS CAST
00:04:35TUESDAY FOUND SUBMISSIONS
SILLY, STUPID AND SUBLIME AMONG
00:04:37242 WRITE-INS CAST IN STARK
COUNTY, INCLUDING VOTES FOR
00:04:43THOSE CANDIDATES ALONG WITH
JESUS, FORMER DEMOCRATIC
00:04:46CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT JOHN
KERRY, CAR RACING ICON RICHARD
00:04:49PETTY, TIGGER, AND CARTMAN, THE
KID WITH THE FOULEST MOUTH ON
00:04:52THE TV SHOW SOUTH PARK.
NOW THAT THE ELECTION IS OVER,
00:04:58MANY PEOPLE WHO MADE
PREDICTIONS ARE BEING HELD TO
00:04:59THEM NOW.
MANY PEOPLE DIDN'T GO OUT TOO
00:05:02FAR ON TOO MANY LIMBS, BUT
WHAT'S AMAZING IS HOW ACCURATE
00:05:05SOME PREDICTIONS WERE,
ESPECIALLY SINCE IT SEEMED TO
00:05:09MANY VOTERS THAT THIS WAS A
CLOSE ELECTION WITH THE
00:05:12POSSIBILITY OF A LOT OF
SURPRISES.
00:05:13TWO OF THE PROGNOSTICATORS WHO
TURNED OUT TO BE THE MOST
00:05:17ACCURATE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT
HOW RIGHT THEY WERE, AND WHAT
00:05:19THEY SEE AHEAD.
NEIL CLARK IS THE FORMER BUDGET
00:05:22DIRECTOR FOR THE OHIO SENATE
REPUBLICAN CAUCUS AND NOW THE
00:05:24OWNER OF GRANT STREET
CONSULTANTS.
00:05:25DALE BUTLAND IS A VETERAN OF
MANY DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL AND
00:05:31CAUSE CAMPAIGNS AND NOW THE
COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR OF THE
00:05:33THINK TANK INNOVATION OHIO.
YOU PREDICTED THAT OBAMA WOULD
00:05:45BE ROMNEY 50% 10 TO 49.7% WITH
60% VOTER TURNOUT, 70 REPUBLICAN
00:05:53COUNTIES, 16 DEMOCRATIC.
THE OFFICIAL RESULT WAS 51.8%
00:05:58TO 4120%, 61% TURNOUT, THAT IS
NOT TOO BAD.
00:06:03I WANT TO ASK YOU HOW YOU CAME
TO THESE CONCLUSIONS GIVEN THAT
00:06:08THIS WAS A CAMPAIGN WHERE IN THE
LAST TO DEBUT WEEKS THERE WAS A
00:06:12NARRATIVE GOING REPUBLICANS,
EVEN THE NOMINEE, WAS BELIEVED
00:06:16THE POLLS WERE WRONG, THAT
ROMNEY WOULD WIN.
00:06:18FOR ME, IN OHIO, I WENT BACK
SOME FIVE CYCLES OF RACES FOR
00:06:26PRESIDENT AND CREATED A MODEL
THAT WOULD PREDICT WHAT COUNTIES
00:06:29WOULD ULTIMATELY DO.
IN THAT MODEL, I DID AVERAGES
00:06:35AND CONSTRUCTIVE IT SO THAT IN
THIS PARTICULAR ELECTION, I WAS
00:06:3990% ACCURATE ON EACH OF THE
COUNTIES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
00:06:43BELMONT AND JEFFERSON, WHO FOR
THE FIRST TIME, VOTED REPUBLICAN
00:06:46IN A FIVE-CYCLE PERIOD.
IN MOST CASES, WHEN IT COMES TO
00:06:52PRESIDENTIAL RACES, THESE
COUNTIES HAVE A TREND THAT THEY
00:06:55STICK TO IN AND ABIDE BY PIER
WHAT IS INTERESTING IN THE
00:06:58ANALYSIS THAT I DID IN THIS
PARTICULAR RACE, AND THE
00:07:03ULTIMATE CONCLUSION OF THE RACE,
IS THAT THE SUPER CEL, CUYAHOGA
00:07:10AND FRANKLIN COUNTY, WHICH IS
PROVIDING 400,000 DEMOCRAT
00:07:14ACCESS VOTES, WILL HAVE A MAJOR
IMPACT ON OHIO POLITICS.
00:07:17>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SAY IT IS
REALLY ABOUT THE MATH.
00:07:21THE MESSAGE IT DID NOT REALLY
MATTER.
00:07:24IT IS ABOUT THE TREND.
IF YOU STRIP WE LOOK AT THE
00:07:28FACTS, THE NUMBERS, YOU COME TO
THE CONCLUSION THAT THE NUMBERS
00:07:32WILL PREVAIL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT
PEOPLE MAY BE SAYING ABOUT
00:07:38POLLS.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF
00:07:40CRITICISM THAT HAS TO BE GIVEN
TO POLLSTERS WHO USE AND
00:07:44INACCURATE MODEL FOR OHIO
BECAUSE THAT SAME POLLSTER WAS
00:07:48THE PERSON FOR THE HOUSE AND
SENATE, WHICH THEN, IF YOU'RE
00:07:51DOING IT WRONG FOR ROMNEY, IT
WILL BE WRONG FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
00:07:55I THINK THAT IS A PROBLEM IN
THIS PARTICULAR CYCLE.
00:07:59WE SAW THE MAJORITY OF POLES
THAT WERE DONE BY INTERNET WERE
00:08:05FAR MORE ACCURATE THAN OTHER
METHODS.
00:08:08OF THE TOP-10 ACRID POLLS THIS
SESSION, 54 INTERNET, WHICH I
00:08:12WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT.
>> DALE, YOU PREDICTED OBAMA
00:08:17WOULD WIN BY TWO POINTS.
YOU ALSO SAID HE WOULD WIN
00:08:21VIRGINIA, IOWA, NEV., AND THAT
HE WOULD GET 3050 ELECTORAL
00:08:26VOTES BUT MAYBE MORE.
FLORIDA WENT BLUE.
00:08:29I AM WONDERING HOW YOU CAME TO
THIS CONCLUSION WHEN IT LOOKED
00:08:35LIKE, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE FIRST
DEBATE, OBAMA'S LEAD WAS
00:08:41SLIPPING AWAY, REPUBLICANS
APPEAR TO BE ENERGIZED.
00:08:43HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS?
>> I WISH I COULD SAY I WAS
00:08:47PSYCHIC.
ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS LOOK AT
00:08:49THE BATTLEGROUND STATE POLLS.
THERE IS A FELLOW NAMED NATE
00:08:54SILVER.
HE IS AN AGGREGATE OF POLLS.
00:08:56WHAT HE FOUND ALL THE WAY
THROUGH WAS THAT, ALTHOUGH
00:09:02ROMNEY DID PICK UP STEAM AFTER
THE FIRST DEBATE, HIS MOMENTUM
00:09:07STOPPED AROUND OCTOBER 13.
BASICALLY, THE RACE WENT BACK TO
00:09:12WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THE TWO
CONVENTIONS.
00:09:15VERY CLOSE BUT WITH OBAMA ON
TOP.
00:09:18IN TERMS OF OHIO AND IS ANOTHER
BATTLEGROUND STATES, AND OHIO, I
00:09:22DO NOT THINK THERE WAS A SINGLE
POLL THAT SHOWED ROMNEY AHEAD.
00:09:25ALL OF THEM HAD OBAMA AHEAD.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
00:09:30I WANT TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT
TURNOUT MODELS THAT WAS JUST
00:09:34MENTIONED, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
00:09:38THE REASON THE REPUBLICANS WERE
ALL CONVINCED THAT THE POLLS
00:09:41WERE FAVORING OBAMA WAS BECAUSE
IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT YOU
00:09:46BELIEVE WILL BE THE TURNOUT
APPEARED EVERY POLLSTER HAS TO
00:09:50BUILD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
ASSUMPTIONS IN HIS POLL.
00:09:53YOU ARE NOT INTERVIEW EVERY
PERSON.
00:09:55YOU ARE TAKING A REPRESENTATIVE
SAMPLE.
00:09:58WHAT THE POLLSTERS ALL THOUGHT
WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE
00:10:03SELF-ARE IDENTIFIED DEMOCRATS
COMING OUT THAN SELF-IDENTIFIED
00:10:06REPUBLICANS.
THAT TURNED OUT TO BE THE CASE.
00:10:08NATIONALLY, THE DEMOCRATS WERE
ABOUT + 6.
00:10:11WHAT FINALLY HAPPENED IN THE END
WAS PRETTY MUCH WHAT ALL THE
00:10:16BATTLEGROUND POLLS SAID WOULD
HAPPEN.
00:10:18LET ME SAY ONE OTHER THING.
TO ME, I THINK THE REPUBLICAN
00:10:22PARTY HAS A REAL PROBLEM HERE.
THE COALITION THAT ELECTED
00:10:28PRESIDENT OBAMA, MINORITIES --
AND NOT JUST AFRICAN-AMERICANS,
00:10:32BUT HISPANICS, ASIAN-AMERICANS,
SO FORTH, WOMEN, VOTERS UNDER
00:10:3730.
THAT IS NOT A FLUKE ANY MORE, IT
00:10:40IS A FORCE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
00:10:42PERCENTAGES BY WHICH OBAMA WON
EACH OF THOSE GROUPS, UNLESS THE
00:10:49REPUBLICAN PARTY CAN FIND OUT
HOW TO APPEAL TO PARTICULARLY
00:10:52SINGLE WOMEN, HISPANIC VOTERS,
WHICH THEY ARE LOSING 70-30,
00:10:58YOUNG PEOPLE -- THAT IS THE
OTHER THING.
00:11:00A LOT OF REPUBLICAN NEVER
THOUGHT YOUNG PEOPLE WOULD TURN
00:11:03OUT IN THE SAME NUMBERS THEY DID
IN 2008, BECAUSE 2008 WAS AN
00:11:07HISTORIC YEAR.
AS IT TURNS OUT, IN 2008, YOUNG
00:11:12VOTERS WERE 18% OF THE
ELECTORATE.
00:11:16THIS TIME, THEY WERE 19% OF THE
ELECTORATE.
00:11:19UNLESS YOU CAN TEAR OUT A WAY --
AND IT IS NOT JUST DEMOGRAPHIC
00:11:24AND POLITICAL.
IT IS CULTURAL AND SOCIAL.
00:11:27THOSE YOUNG VOTERS HAVE MUCH
MORE IN COMMON WITH DEMOCRATIC
00:11:30VALUES AND A REPUBLICAN VALUES
RIGHT NOW, AND THAT IS A LONG-
00:11:34TERM PROBLEM FOR THE
REPUBLICANS.
00:11:35>> THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BECOME
TOO WHITE, RIGHT, AND OLD.
00:11:42COLLEGE STUDENTS ARE COMING OUT
OF SCHOOL WITH HUGE DEBT, THEY
00:11:48DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT JOBS, AND
NOT HAVE A PLACE TO FALL IN THE
00:11:52REPUBLICAN PARTY.
BUT THAT IS PART OF HOW YOU MAKE
00:11:56CHANGE.
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A MODERATE
00:11:58REPUBLICAN AND I HAVE ALWAYS
BELIEVED THE BEST WAY FOR US DO
00:12:01BUSINESS IN THE STATE IS TO
FOCUS ON JOBS AND WE ARE DOING
00:12:05FOR PEOPLE AND THEIR
POCKETBOOKS, MAKING SURE THAT
00:12:07OUR KIDS ARE EDUCATED SO THEY
CAN GET A JOB AND STAY IN OHIO.
00:12:13>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OHIO
HOUSE.
00:12:15THE HOUSE CAME IN WITH A 59-40
MAJORITY.
00:12:18RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE TO IT --
STILL THREE SEATS IN CONTENTION,
00:12:23BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE
60-39.
00:12:25>> MORE THAN LIKELY.
>> I WONDER WHAT THAT SAYS ABOUT
00:12:33OHIO, THE STATE WENT FOR OBAMA,
REELECTED SHARON BROWN, WHO MANY
00:12:38SAY IS THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR
IN THE U.S., BUT THE OHIO HOUSE
00:12:42GAINED A SEAT.
>> WE DID NOT RUN BY LINES.
00:12:47THAT IS THE REASON.
OBAMA AND SHARON BROWN DID NOT
00:12:51RUN BY LINES.
IT IS CLEAR, AND THAT IS WHY
00:12:59REDISTRICTING IS SO IMPORTANT IN
THIS STATE AND WHY PEOPLE FIGHT
00:13:02EVERY FOUR YEARS TO MAKE SURE
THEY CONTROL A GOOD PART OF
00:13:05THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS, BECAUSE
IT HAS AN IMPACT.
00:13:08>> NEIL IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WHEN YOU TOTAL UP ALL THE VOTES
00:13:15THAT THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES
FOR THE OHIO HOUSE CUTPURSES ALL
00:13:18THE VOTES THAT THE REPUBLICAN
HOUSE GOD, DEMOCRATS ALSO --
00:13:23ACTUALLY GOT MORE VOTES THAN
REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES, BUT IN
00:13:26THE END, IT WILL BE 60
REPUBLICANS AND 39 DEMOCRATS.
00:13:30>> 1 FEWER DEMOCRATS.
>> THAT IS THE POWER OF
00:13:34GERRYMANDERING AND
REDISTRICTING.
00:13:35THE SAME IS TRUE NATIONALLY.
JOHN BOEHNER MAKES A BIG DEAL
00:13:40OUT OF IT, THIS IS ABOUT
GERRYMANDERING.
00:13:45THE WHOLE UPPER MIDWEST, PLUS
N.C..
00:13:49IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE WHERE
THEY DO NOT ALLOW
00:13:52GERRYMANDERING, ARIZONA,
CALIFORNIA, FLORIDA, WE ARE
00:13:56GAINING SEATS THERE.
IF WE DID NOT ALLOW
00:13:59GERRYMANDERING IN OHIO, OR ANY
MOST ELSE IN THE COUNTRY, I
00:14:03THINK JOHN BOEHNER WOULD HAVE
BEEN GOING BACK TO THE HOUSE AS
00:14:06THE MINORITY LEADER.
>> NO REDISTRICTING LOST SINCE
00:14:122006 ACCEPTED A HIGH A FEW
NIGHTS AGO.
00:14:13THAT WAS BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE
WAS TOO COMPREHENSIVE, TO BID,
00:14:17TOO CONFUSING.
IF YOU KEPT IT SIMPLE, IT WOULD
00:14:19HAVE PASSED.
IN REALITY, IT WAS TOO COMPLEX.
00:14:23UNLESS SOMEBODY COMES BACK WITH
SOMETHING THAT IS FAR LESS
00:14:27COMPLEX, IT WILL STAY THIS WAY.
>> THE UPSHOT OF THIS IS THAT
00:14:32THE DEMOCRATS LOST A SEAT IN THE
HOUSE, DID NOT GAIN ANYTHING IN
00:14:35THE SENATE.
IS THERE RELEVANCE SLIPPING AWAY
00:14:39WHEN IT COMES TO STATE
GOVERNMENT?
00:14:42>> I DO NOT THINK THE RELEVANCE
IS SLIPPING AWAY, BUT IT
00:14:46REFLECTS -- WE HAVE GOT TO DO
SOMETHING THE WAY THAT THINGS
00:14:49ARE GERRYMANDERED.
WE HAVE A 50-50 STATE HERE
00:14:52PRETTY MUCH.
THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE
00:14:55LEGISLATURE AND NUMBER OF
MEMBERS FROM EACH PARTY DOES NOT
00:14:58REFLECT THAT.
>> AND CONGRESS AS WELL.
00:15:02>> ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I WOULD ARGUE YOU CAN ALSO GET
00:15:06RID OF SOME OF THE PARTISANSHIP
-- NOT ALL OF IT -- BUT SOME OF
00:15:10IT, IF YOU HAVE COMPETITIVE
DISTRICTS.
00:15:13IF YOU HAVE AN UNCOMPETITIVE
DISTRICT WHERE A REPUBLICAN
00:15:16OFFICER KNOWS HE WILL NEVER LOSE
IN A GENERAL ELECTION AND ONLY
00:15:20NEEDS TO WORRY ABOUT BEING
CHALLENGED FROM THE RIGHT,
00:15:23DEMOCRATS WORRIED ABOUT
CHALLENGING FROM THE LEFT, IT
00:15:25PUTS A PREMIUM ON NOT
COOPERATING.
00:15:28>> BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LINES
ARE DRAWN, BECAUSE OF THE WAY
00:15:32REPUBLICANS ARE ALL JOINED
TOGETHER WITH THE SAME
00:15:35CONSULTANTS, DOING THE SAME
WORK, EVERYTHING IS BECOMING THE
00:15:38SAME, SO THEY ARE TALKING TO
THEMSELVES, SO THERE IS A
00:15:42SURPRISE ON ELECTION DAY, I
THOUGHT WE WERE RIGHT.
00:15:45IF THEY WERE IN COMPETITIVE
RACES, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A
00:15:48BROAD BASED COALITION OF PEOPLE
COMING INTO THE ROOM TO QUESTION
00:15:52SOME OF THE DECISIONS THEY ARE
MAKING.
00:15:54MAYBE THERE IS A DIFFERENT WAY
TO DO RACES.
00:15:56I AM STUNNED COMING IN THIS
STATE, IF YOU HAVE AN IRISH
00:16:01NAME, YOU WILL PROBABLY BE ON
THE SUPREME COURT.
00:16:03HE IS A FAMOUS MAN BUT HE LOST
TO BILL O'NEIL.
00:16:10IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, HE
LOST PRETTY HUGE.
00:16:13HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?
IF THAT IS HOW SHALL WE ARE
00:16:17GOING TO GET --
>> AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, BROWN
00:16:22LOST TO ANOTHER PERSON WITH AN
IRISH NAME.
00:16:24>> I AGREE, I WOULD RATHER HAVE
COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS.
00:16:28I WOULD RATHER GO INTO A
PROCESS WHERE WE DO GET OUT ON
00:16:32POLICY.
I THINK THIS IS A DANGEROUS
00:16:35PLACE TO BE, AND HISTORY WILL
PROVE IT TO YOU.
00:16:37GO BACK AND READ "WHATEVER IS
FAIR" AND YOU WILL FIND OUT WHAT
00:16:45HISTORY WAS LIKE WHEN ONE PARTY
DOMINATED.
00:16:48>> THESE ARE YOUR COLLEAGUES.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES YOU SEE
00:16:51THIS HAPPENING?
>> I DO NOT.
00:16:55>> HAVING SAID ALL THAT.
>> UNLESS SOMEONE PUTS FORWARD A
00:16:58VALID THAT CHANGES THE WAY THE
LINES ARE DRAWN, IT WILL BE THIS
00:17:02WAY FOR THE NEXT 10, 20 YEARS.
>> LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF
00:17:05HOW THIS IMPACTS THINGS.
WE HAVE A LAME DUCK SESSION
00:17:09COMING UP.
WE JUST SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN
00:17:12THIS ELECTION JUST PAST, NOT
EVEN ONE WEEK OLD.
00:17:14FASTER THAN YOU CAN SAY TAUGHT
TAKEN AND RICHARD MURDOCK, HERE
00:17:20THEY GO AGAIN, HERE COME BACK
THE REPUBLICANS.
00:17:23IN THE LAME-DUCK SESSION, BUT
OTHER BIG ISSUES BEAT?
00:17:26THEY ARE GOING TO BRING BACK THE
BILL TO DEFUND PLANNED
00:17:31PARENTHOOD, THE SO-CALLED PART B
BILL THAT WOULD OUTLAW ABORTION
00:17:34EVEN IN CASES OF RAPE AND
INCEST.
00:17:37THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
THESE FOLKS APPARENTLY HAVE NOT
00:17:42LEARNED ANYTHING, THEY THINK
THEY HAVE LICENSE NOW TO
00:17:44CONTINUE THIS RIGHT-WING
EXTREMIST AGENDA, BECAUSE
00:17:48PERHAPS, AS NEIL SAID, THEY
HAVE BEEN SO GERRYMANDERED, THEY
00:17:56HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
>> I HAVE TO GO HOME TO A 23-
00:18:01YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND MY WIFE,
AND THEY WILL BE SO CURIOUS
00:18:04ABOUT HEARING THAT, THAT THEY
ARE BRINGING THESE ISSUES BACK
00:18:08UP IN THE SHORT TERM LAME DUCK
SESSION.
00:18:09>> I AM STUNNED.
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, A LOOK AT
00:18:15THE INDEXES.
ONLY ABOUT EIGHT PEOPLE FROM
00:18:17MARGINAL DISTRICTS, BOTH
REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT SIDE.
00:18:20YOU CAN DO IT WHAT YOU WANT TO
DO WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
00:18:23BUT THE FACT IS, THE PUBLIC IS
WATCHING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
00:18:27WE JUST TOLD YOU.
HISPANICS, WOMEN.
00:18:31THOSE THAT ARE UNDERSERVED,
DISADVANTAGED.
00:18:34WHY YOU KEEP DOING THIS TO ME?
>> LEAVE ASIDE THE FACT THAT WE
00:18:40HAD A LANDSLIDE, THE DEMOCRATS,
IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
00:18:43ON THE POPULAR SIDE, THE
DEMOCRATS HAVE WON FIVE OF THE
00:18:48LAST SIX PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.
THAT TELLS ME THAT PEOPLE ARE
00:18:52NOT BUYING THE REPUBLICANS ARE
SELLING.
00:18:53>> THE DEMOCRATS ON ELECTION
NIGHT HELD OUT SIGN THAT SAID
00:18:58KASICH, YOU ARE NEXT.
IF THE NEXT CAMPAIGN STARTS NOW,
00:19:05IS HE THE NEXT TARGET?
ABOUT 2014, WHO DO THE DEMOCRATS
00:19:14PUT UP IF THEY BELIEVED KASICH
IS THE NEXT TARGET, WHO ARE THE
00:19:19POTENTIAL CANDIDATES?
>> LIKE A LOT OF VOTERS IN OHIO
00:19:24-- AS HENRY KISSINGER USED TO
SAY RIGIDITIES TO BE A DECENT
00:19:28INTERVAL BETWEEN THE ELECTIONS.
>> BUT WITH ALL THE MONEY THAT
00:19:31NEEDS TO BE RAISED, YOU HAVE TO
START RIGHT NOW.
00:19:34>> OBVIOUSLY, FORMER GOV.
STRICKLAND WOULD BE A VIABLE
00:19:38CANDIDATE.
WE HAVE GOOD CANDIDATES AROUND
00:19:40THE STATE.
WE HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
00:19:43IN CLEVELAND.
WE HAVE A CONGRESSMAN, TIM RYAN,
00:19:48IN YOUNGSTOWN, WHO WOULD BE A
GREAT KIND OF IT.
00:19:50WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM.
FRANKLY, I AM LOOKING FOR TO THE
00:19:54REPUBLICAN SIDE.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
00:19:57PRIMARY BETWEEN KASICH AND
MANDEL.
00:20:02[LAUGHTER]
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT GOVERNOR
00:20:05KASICH --
>> IN A YEAR'S TIME, TWO YEARS'
00:20:11TIME, THE MAN HAS COME FROM A
LOW OF 30% APPROVAL RATING, NOW
00:20:19TO 56%.
HE DID THE RIGHT THING ABOUT
00:20:21MAKING SURE THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY BAILED OUT CLEVELAND BY
00:20:25PUTTING UP THE EDUCATION PLAN,
WHICH PASSED.
00:20:28HIS NUMBERS ARE GOING UP.
AS HIS NUMBERS GO UP, HE WILL BE
00:20:32HARDER TO BEAT.
BUT WHAT BRINGS ME BACK TO
00:20:36REALITY IS THIS SUPER CELL OF
CUYAHOGA AND FRANKLIN COUNTY.
00:20:41IF A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE DOES
NOT PLAY TO THOSE COUNTIES, DOES
00:20:46NOT HAVE THE RIGHT STRUCTURE
THERE, YOU COULD BE IN TROUBLE.
00:20:48>> AND I WOULD SAY GOVERNOR
KASICH'S IMPROVING POLL RATINGS
00:20:54ARE DIRECTLY IMPROVE TO THE
IMPROVING -- ARE DIRECTLY
00:20:58CONNECTED TO THE IMPROVING
ECONOMY, WHICH IS
00:21:04DIRECTLY TIED TO THE AUTO
BAILOUT.
00:21:05THE POLICIES THAT HE IS PURSUING
ARE THE SAME OLD REPUBLICAN
00:21:11POLICIES, MORE TAX CUTS FOR THE
WEALTHY, MORE BUDGET CUTS FOR
00:21:16EVERYONE ELSE.
IN CLEVELAND, FOR EXAMPLE --
00:21:19I ACTUALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
WHEN THE SCHOOL OF FUNDING IS
00:21:25FOR GOVERNOR CASEY, WE CUT FUNDS
-- STATE FUNDS FOR PLACES LIKE
00:21:31CLEVELAND, AND THEN WE ASK SOME
OF THE POOREST PEOPLE IN OUR
00:21:35STATE, WHERE THE AVERAGE INCOME
IS ABOUT $24,000 A YEAR, WE ASK
00:21:40THEM TO INCREASE THEIR PROPERTY
TAXES 50 MILLION TO INCREASE
00:21:45THESE CUTS.
>> I WILL NOT DISAGREE WITH THIS
00:21:47PART.
THE DEMOCRATS USED, IN THEIR
00:21:51COMMERCIAL THIS YEAR, A $1.8
BILLION CUT IN EDUCATION.
00:21:55THAT IS THE UNDERBELLY TO
REPUBLICANS IN THIS ELECTION.
00:21:58HE IS NOT THERE TO TAX THE RICH.
HE IS SAYING TO THE FRACKING
00:22:03INDUSTRY, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN
TAXED A LONG TIME AGO AT A MUCH
00:22:07BIGGER RATE THAN THE GOVERNOR
WANTS.
00:22:08I WANT TO GIVE YOU A TAX CUT.
I CAN SEE THAT AS BEING FAIRLY
00:22:14CONVINCING TO ME AND OTHERS.
WHERE I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT,
00:22:18THE REASON I THINK HIS NUMBERS
HAVE GONE UP, HE HAS LEARNED NOT
00:22:22TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL ISSUES
ANYMORE.
00:22:24HE DOESN'T MAKE STATEMENTS ANY
MORE ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
00:22:28HE FOCUSES ON JOBS.
>> HE DOES NOT TALK ABOUT IT,
00:22:32BUT WHAT DOES HE DO?
WE JUST HAD ANOTHER APPOINTMENT
00:22:35TO THE OHIO STATE MEDICAL BOARD.
THIS IS THE PRESIDENT OF OHIO
00:22:39RIGHT TO LIFE.
>> HE IS A LAWYER BY TRAINING.
00:22:43>> THERE ARE ONLY THREE CONSUMER
SPOTS.
00:22:46TWO ARE NOW OCCUPIED BY BOARD
MEMBERS OF ALL HIGH RIGHT TO
00:22:49LIFE.
WITH REGARD TO FRACKING, THIS IS
00:22:52A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
HE WANTS TO KEEP OHIO'S
00:22:56SEVERANCE TAX RATE, EVEN WITH
THE NEW REPOSED, THE SECOND
00:23:00LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY.
WHAT DOES HE WANT TO DO WITH THE
00:23:03MONEY?
RESTORE THE CUTS FOR LOCAL
00:23:05GOVERNMENTS OR SCHOOLS?
HE WANTS TO DO ANOTHER INCOME
00:23:08TAX CUT.
AND WHO WILL BE THE PRIMARY
00:23:10BENEFICIARY?
THE WEALTHIEST OHIOANS.
00:23:13THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
>> KEEP IN MIND, 2% OF THE
00:23:17POPULATION PAY THE BULK OF THE
TAXES IN THE STATE.
00:23:20WE NEED TO KEEP A REALITY CHECK
ABOUT WHAT MONEY IS COMING IN.
00:23:24MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE AGREE THAT
THE SEVERANCE TAX NEEDS TO BE
00:23:28INCREASED.
I THINK THE GOVERNOR OF TO
00:23:31INCREASE IT MORE THAN HE IS
DOING.
00:23:32WE WILL BE LOSING THIS IN 15
YEARS, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
00:23:37WE ARE GETTING OUR RETURN.
THIS IS AN ACID THAT BELONGS TO
00:23:42THE STATE.
PROPERTY OWNERS SAY IT IS
00:23:44THEIRS, BUT THIS IS A NATURAL
RESOURCE THAT WILL BE SHARED FOR
00:23:47THE BENEFIT OF ALL OF US.
KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT IS A THE
00:23:51PUNISHING RESOURCE, YOU NEED TO
BE COORDINATED A ROUND THAT.
00:24:00>> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVING A
PROBLEM, SO TO SPEAK, A PROBLEM
00:24:05THAT JOHN KASICH OR ROB PORTMAN
COULD FIX BY BEING THE NOMINEE
00:24:09IN 2014?
>> IT IS TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT
00:24:14OPTIONS.
I WOULD PERSONALLY RATHER SEE
00:24:15RUBIO.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GUY FROM
00:24:19FLORIDA WHO IS HISPANIC.
I WOULD PERSONALLY RATHER SEE A
00:24:22WOMAN.
>> BUT DO YOU THINK JOHN KASICH
00:24:26WOULD BE INTERESTED IN RUNNING?
>> I AM SURE HE WOULD BE.
00:24:29BUT AGAIN, WE NEED TO KEEP
RECOGNIZING THE PUBLIC.
00:24:33WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WOMEN.
WE CONTINUE TO ALIENATE
00:24:37OURSELVES WITH THE HISPANIC
VOTE.
00:24:39A GUY LIKE RUBIO, WELL-EDUCATED
FROM FLORIDA, COULD DOMINATE.
00:24:44>> I THINK IT DEPENDS LESS ON TO
THE PERSONALITIES ARE.
00:24:49RIGHT NOW, THE FAR RIGHT WING,
THE TEA PARTY, IS CONTROLLING
00:24:54THE NOMINATING PROCESS.
THAT IS WHY THEY PUSHED MITT
00:24:58ROMNEY SO FAR TO THE RIGHT HE
HAD TO DISAVOW VIRTUALLY EVERY
00:25:01MODERATE POSITION HE EVER HELD,
AND HE MADE HIMSELF TOO
00:25:06CONSERVATIVE FOR THE GENERAL
ELECTION.
00:25:08YOU CANNOT JUST PUT A SOMBRERO
ON THE REPUBLICAN ELEPHANT AND
00:25:13THING THAT WILL SOLVE ALL YOUR
PROBLEMS WITH LATINO VOTERS.
00:25:16THE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE TO
LATINO VOTERS THAT YOU ARE GOING
00:25:20TO DO SOMETHING THAT HELPED
THEM, THAT YOU HAVE SOME EMPATHY
00:25:23FOR THEM.
SO FAR, AT LEAST, THE REPUBLICAN
00:25:27RIGHT WING HAS NOT ALLOW THE
PARTY TO DO THAT.
00:25:29>> YOU HAVE GOT TO ADDRESS
IMMIGRATION NOW.
00:25:33>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
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