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00:00:35>> OHIO HAS A NEW MAP FEATURING
16 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS, AND
00:00:44IT WILL LIKELY STAY THE WAY IT
IS PRETTY GOVERNOR TALKS ABOUT
00:00:47THE ECONOMY AND ENERGY AS THE
STATE'S TOP CONSUMER WATCHDOG ON
00:00:51UTILITIES QUITS HER JOB.
MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT SENATE
00:00:54BILL 5 WILL AND WILL NOT DO AS
VOTERS MAKE UP THEIR MINDS ABOUT
00:00:58ISSUE TWO.
AND THE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN
00:01:00WHO USED TO RUN THE TURNPIKE
SPEAKS OUT AS ONE OF THE
00:01:03HARSHEST CRITICS OF THE PLAN TO
PRIVATIZE IT.
00:01:06ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:01:09OHIO HAS A NEW CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT MAP, WHICH INCLUDES BIG
00:01:15CHANGES TO REFLECT THE LOSS OF
TWO SEATS ON CAPITOL HILL.
00:01:18REPUBLICANS IN BOTH CHAMBERS
APPROVED THE MAP WEDNESDAY, AND
00:01:22THE SENATE ADDED 2.7 $5 MILLION
TO THE BILL FOR LOCAL ELECTIONS
00:01:26BOARDS, A MOVE AIMED AT
PROTECTING THE MAP FROM A THREAT
00:01:30BY DEMOCRATIC LEADERS TO BLOCK
IT AND TAKE IT TO THE BALLOT.
00:01:34THE MAP GROUPS THREE PAIRS OF
U.S. REPRESENTATIVES INTO
00:01:37DISTRICTS -- REPUBLICANS STEVE
AUSTRIA AND MIKE TURNER, AND
00:01:42DEMOCRATS DENNIS KUCINICH AND
MARCY KAPTUR COULD FACE ONE
00:01:47ANOTHER IN THE PRIMARY NEXT
YEAR, IN A COMBINED DISTRICT
00:01:50COULD HAVE DEMOCRATIC VETERAN
BETTY SUTTON AGAINST REPUBLICAN
00:01:55FRESHMAN JIM RENACCI.
REPUBLICANS SAY THE MAP IS
00:02:00LEGAL AND FOLLOWS POPULATION AND
DEMOGRAPHIC REQUIREMENTS, BUT
00:02:03OPPONENTS CONTEND IT WAS DRAWN
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TO PROTECT A
00:02:07REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN OHIO'S
CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION.
00:02:09A THOUSAND BUSINESS LEADERS,
LOBBYISTS, AND HARMLESS AS STATE
00:02:15AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
CAME OUT TO GOVERNOR JOHN
00:02:20KASICH'S TWO DAY ECONOMIC SUMMIT
THIS WEEK.
00:02:23THE NATURAL GAS AND OIL IN THE
MARCELLLUS AND UTICA SHALE
00:02:27DEPOSITS IN OHIO.
ON THE STAGE AND OFF, MUCH OF
00:02:30THE TALK OF THE CONFERENCE WAS
ABOUT A PROPOSED BILL THAT COULD
00:02:33WIPE OUT THE STATE MANDATES THAT
UTILITIES GET 25 PERCENT OF
00:02:37THEIR POWER FROM RENEWABLE
ENERGY SOURCES BY 2025, HALF OF
00:02:42THAT COMING FROM OHIO SOURCES.
THAT LAW WAS NEARLY UNANIMOUSLY
00:02:46APPROVED BY LAWMAKERS IN 2008.
REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH
00:02:53BROUGHT THE MANDATES IN HIS
OPENING REMARKS.
00:02:56>> RENEWABLES.
THEY ARE TRYING TO GET ME TO SAY
00:03:01WE DO NOT NEED RENEWABLES.
OF COURSE WE NEED RENEWABLES.
00:03:03OF COURSE WE NEED SOLAR AND OF
COURSE WE NEED WIND.
00:03:06WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR IT,
BUT WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC
00:03:10ABOUT IT.
>> KASICH SAYS HE IS CHECKING
00:03:13INTO HOW MUCH OF THE STATE HOUSE
VEHICLE FLEET CAN BE RUN ON
00:03:16NATURAL GAS, AND SUGGESTED THE
STATE MIGHT SOMEDAY PARTNER WITH
00:03:19COMPANIES THAT COULD BUILD THE
CARS AND FUELING STATIONS.
00:03:22HE DID NOT ADDRESS WHETHER THE
STATE SHOULD CONTINUE WITH THE
00:03:25MANDATES OR NOT.
HIS MAIN JOB ADVISER, JOBSOHIO
00:03:31EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MARK THEKVAM,
SAYS HE IS STILL TRYING TO FORM
00:03:39HIS OPINION BUT THAT BUSINESSES
ARE LOOKING FOR PREDICTABILITY.
00:03:43ENVIRONMENTALISTS SAY MANDATING
A DIVERSIFIED ENERGY PORTFOLIO
00:03:45FOR UTILITIES COMES CLOSER TO
PROVIDING PREDICTABILITY THAN
00:03:48WOULD BE PROVIDED WITHOUT IT,
THEY SAY RENEWABLE ENERGY AND
00:03:52ENERGY EFFICIENCY WERE THE ONLY
TWO REAL AREAS OF ECONOMIC
00:03:55GROWTH IN OHIO DURING THE
RECESSION.
00:03:57THERE SEEMS TO BE LITTLE
PRESSURE TO ERASE THE RENEWABLE
00:04:00ENERGY STANDARDS.
THE BILL HAS NOT BEEN ASSIGNED
00:04:05TO A COMMITTEE.
THE STATE'S ADVOCATE FOR THE
00:04:07OHIO UTILITY CUSTOMERS ANNOUNCED
SHE IS QUITTING.
00:04:11OHIO CONSUMERS COUNSEL JANINE
MIGDEN OSTRANDER SAID THE
00:04:15DECISION BY THE GOVERNMENT'S --
BUT THE GOVERNOR AND LAWMAKERS
00:04:19TO CUT HER BUDGET HAS MADE IT
IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER TO ACHIEVE
00:04:22THE RESULTS.
THE BUDGET WENT FROM $8.5
00:04:25MILLION IN THE LAST YEAR OF THE
LAST BUDGET TO $4.1 MILLION.
00:04:28REPUBLICAN LEADERS SAID IS
BECAUSE -- IT IS BECAUSE THE OCC
00:04:32DUPLICATES THE WORK OF THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION.
00:04:34BUT MIGDEN-OSTRANDER AND OTHER
ADVOCATES SAY THE OCC BRINGS
00:04:38CONSUMER DRIVEN EVIDENCE TO THE
PUCO.
00:04:41WITHOUT IT COMMISSIONERS DECIDE
ONE-SIDED CASES.
00:04:44MIGDEN-OSTRANDER, THE THIRD
PERSON TO SERVE AS THE OHIO
00:04:48CONSUMERS COUNSEL SINCE THE
POSITION WAS CREATED IN THE
00:04:511970'S, IS STEPPING DOWN OCTOBER
15 TO JOIN THE REGULATORY
00:04:55ASSISTANCE PROJECT, A UTILITY
INDUSTRY THINK TANK BASED IN
00:04:58VERMONT.
MORE ADS HAVE HIT THE AIRWAVES
00:05:01IN THE BATTLE OVER ISSUE TWO,
WHICH WOULD PUT INTO PLACE
00:05:04SENATE BILL 5 PER THE
CONTROVERSIAL COLLECTIVE
00:05:07BARGAINING REFORM LAW.
THE ANTI-ISSUE TWO SIDE,
00:05:10REPRESENTED BY THE GROUP WE ARE
OHIO, UNLEASHED THIS AD, WHICH
00:05:14PLAYS UP REPUBLICAN SUPPORT OF
THE ISSUE AS A SOLUTION TO
00:05:17BUDGET PROBLEMS BUT SUGGESTS
THOSE PROBLEMS ARE THE RESULTS
00:05:21OF POLITICIANS' CHOICES.
THAT TOWN IS THE LATEST AD FROM
00:05:27THE PRO-ISSUE TWO SITE, WHICH
TALKS UP THE TWO KEY ELEMENTS OF
00:05:30SENATE BILL 5, THAT REQUIRES
UNIONIZED PUBLIC EMPLOYEES TO
00:05:33PAY MORE OF THEIR HEALTH-CARE
COSTS AND MORE TOWARD PENSION
00:05:36BENEFITS.
LAST WEEK I TALKED WITH THOSE
00:05:38TWO KEY SENATORS, KEITH FABER OF
CELINA AND DEMOCRAT JOE SHOSHONE
00:05:48OF YOUNGSTOWN.
I ASKED ABOUT THEIR STRATEGY.
00:05:53LET ME ASK YOU REAL QUICKLY
ABOUT GOING AHEAD WITH HOW TO
00:05:55GET TO ELECTION DAY.
SENATOR FABER, THE POLLS SUGGEST
00:06:00YOU HAVE AN UPHILL BATTLE HERE.
THE LAST QUINNIPIAC POLL IN JULY
00:06:04HAD 32.1% KEEPING SENATE BILL
5, 51% GETTING RIVET, AND
00:06:14ANOTHER 7% FROM THE PEOPLE
OPPOSED TO IT.
00:06:15HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT IN
< TWO MONTH PERIOD?
00:06:20>> IS SIMPLE ANSWER IS THE
NUMBERS ARE COMING CLOSER.
00:06:24THE DAILY POLL HAS IT FALLING
TOWARDS 50 PERCENT, FALLING
00:06:27BELOW THAT.
THE REAL QUESTION IS AS PEOPLE
00:06:29GET EDUCATED AND START HEARING
FROM OUR SIDE, THEY HAVE ONLY
00:06:32HEARD FROM JOE'S SIDE AND THE
UNIONS, WHO SPENT A LOT OF MONEY
00:06:36COLLECTING SIGNATURES AND WILL
SPEND A LOT OF MONEY GOING
00:06:38FORWARD.
WE WILL NOT HAVE MONEY TO BE ON
00:06:40PARITY WITH THEM BECAUSE I
CANNOT ASSESS STATE FOLKS LIKED
00:06:46THE UNIONS CAN, SAYING HERE IS
$5 MILLION BECAUSE WE ASSESSED
00:06:49ON ARE -- ALL ARE UNIONS.
MEMBERS.
00:06:52IF THE MESSAGE GETS OUT THERE
THAT THE NUMBERS WILL GET
00:06:57CLOSER.
SENATE BILL 5 IS A REASONABLE
00:06:59APPROACH PRI DESPITE THE HYPE
AND HYSTERIA, THREE THINGS IN
00:07:02SENATE BILL 5 ARE THE CORE OF
THE BILL.
00:07:04WHAT IS 15% FOR HEALTH CARE, 10
PERCENT NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE A
00:07:08FREE RIDE ON PENSIONS, AND THE
THIRD IS ALLOWING MERIT PAY FOR
00:07:11GOVERNMENT WORKERS, PERFORMANCE-
BASED COMPENSATION.
00:07:14THAT COMPONENT ALONE IS AN AREA
WHERE KEITH FABER AND BARACK
00:07:17OBAMA AGREE.
ONE OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE
00:07:21REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE
AND BARACK OBAMA AGREE THAT
00:07:24GOVERNMENT WORKERS THE PACE --
BE PAID BASED ON PERFORMANCE.
00:07:28>> PEOPLE DO SUPPORT REPORT --
EMPLOYEES BE REQUIRED TO PAY A
00:07:34PERCENTAGE FOR HEALTH CARE
COSTS, PENSIONS, AND A
00:07:37PERFORMANCE-BASED SYSTEM.
THE SENATE BILL 5 AN ISSUE TWO
00:07:40IS DEFEATED, DO YOU EXPECT THE
LEGISLATURE TO COME BACK AND
00:07:43PASS ANOTHER BILL THAT INCLUDES
THOSE THINGS IN IT?
00:07:46WHAT DO YOU DO?
>> I WOULD GUESS THAT WE WOULD
00:07:50GET ANOTHER BILL THAT CAME IN
HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THE NEXT
00:07:54BILL WE CAN TALK ABOUT BEFORE IT
IS THROWN ON THE TABLE.
00:07:56>> IF WE DID THAT, WOULD YOU
SUPPORT ALL THOSE PROVISIONS?
00:08:02>> I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK
AT EVERYTHING.
00:08:05AGAIN, YOU TALKED ABOUT SENATE
BILL 5 AS IF THOSE THREE THINGS
00:08:09ARE THE ONLY THREE THINGS IN
SENATE BILL 5 PER THE WHOLE
00:08:12SENATE BILL 5 IS CHANGING THE
WAY PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO
00:08:15COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN.
IF YOU CANNOT COLLECTIVELY
00:08:19BARGAIN, YOU CANNOT WIN ONCE.
>> IF I SAY IT CANNOT
00:08:23COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN ON THOSE
THREE THINGS, YES, I GUESS I'M
00:08:26TAKING SOME COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING RIGHTS AWAY.
00:08:29IT STRETCHES ACROSS ALMOST ALL
AREAS OF STATE GOVERNMENT, SO IF
00:08:34YOU CHANGE ANY OF IT, YOU HAVE
TO GO TO EACH SECTION TO PICK IT
00:08:37UP.
THAT IS THE CRUCIAL ISSUES IN
00:08:40SENATE BILL 5.
>> I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING
00:08:45YOU TALKED ABOUT.
YOU ACTED LIKE THERE IS GOING TO
00:08:46BE ALL THIS MONEY THAT IS GOING
TO BE THERE TO GET ALL THESE
00:08:48COMMERCIALS, BUT YOU DO NOT
THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE
00:08:50MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
COMING FROM OUTSIDE INTERESTS
00:08:53THAT GET DUMPED INTO OHIO FOR
ALL THESE COMMERCIALS THAT WILL
00:08:56BE PUT OUT?
>> I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE MONEY
00:08:59IS COMING FROM BECAUSE -- BUT
I'M TELLING YOU THERE WILL BE A
00:09:02LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WANT
TO HEAR AN ACCURATE ISSUE ON
00:09:06SENATE BILL 5.
I CAN TELL YOU, THE OTHER SIDE'S
00:09:11BALLOT LANGUAGE, BALLOT
ARGUMENTS, ARE NOT.
00:09:14I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR, WHO ARE THE
POLITICAL SPECIAL INTERESTS THAT
00:09:18ARE BENEFITING FROM SENATE BILL
5?
00:09:22THE ONLY PEOPLE BENEFITING I
KNOW OF ARE THE TAXPAYERS AND
00:09:25THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS.
00:09:27ISSUE TWO IS REJECTED AND
ANOTHER BILL IS PASSED, DOESN'T
00:09:32ISSUE TO AND THE FIGHT AGAINST
IT EXHAUST YOUR BASE TO GO OUT
00:09:36AND FIGHT AGAINST THE NEXT YEAR,
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A
00:09:39PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION GOING
FORWARD?
00:09:41>> SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT IS THE
PURPOSE OF SENATE BILL 5, TO GET
00:09:44EVERYBODY TO USE ALL THEIR
RESOURCES SO THEY CANNOT FIGHT
00:09:48FOR THE PRESIDENT AND FIGHT FOR
THEIR BILLS.
00:09:51I DO NOT HAVE ANY PROOF TO SHOW
THAT AND I JUST DO THE BEST I
00:09:53CAN ONE THING AT A TIME.
AS THE BILLS COME, HOPEFULLY WE
00:09:57CAN DO ABOUT THE TALK ABOUT IT
AND DO WHAT IS BEST FOR OHIO.
00:10:01PEOPLE WANT US TO FIX THE
BUDGET, AND INSTEAD WE'RE
00:10:06WASTING ALL THIS TIME GOING OVER
THIS BILL AND CONSTANTLY TALKING
00:10:09ABOUT IT WHEN THERE IS A LOT OF
OTHER STUFF GOING ON THAT WE
00:10:11SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING ON.
OF COURSE PEOPLE WILL PUT MONEY
00:10:14UP TO FIGHT THIS THING BECAUSE
IT GOT THROWN IN THEIR FACES
00:10:18THAT ALL THEIR RIGHTS WERE TAKEN
AWAY.
00:10:19THEY DO NOT -- WERE GOING TO BE
TAKEN AWAY.
00:10:22THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR
THE COMMERCIALS, BUT THEY HAVE
00:10:26TO OUT OF NECESSITY BECAUSE THEY
ARE TAKING THEIR ABILITY TO EARN
00:10:30MONEY AWAY.
OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT
00:10:33MONEY ON, FIGHT LIKE HELL ON IT.
>> IN FURTHER ISSUE TWO NEWS,
00:10:38THE VOTE NO SIDE PRESENTED A
PANEL DISCUSSION ON THE IMPACT
00:10:41OF SENATE BILL 5 ON WOMEN AND
MINORITIES.
00:10:44WHILE THE VOTE YES SIDE BROUGHT
FORWARD BUSINESS LEADERS WHO
00:10:47SUPPORT THE BILL.
BOTH SIDES ARE PREPARING FOR
00:10:49DEBATES THAT ARE LIKELY AROUND
THE STATE AS EARLY VOTING GETS
00:10:52UNDERWAY NEXT MONTH.
WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
00:10:54MORE THAN ONE DOZEN INVESTMENT
BANKS, LAW FIRMS, AND OTHER
00:11:08COMPANIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY
HAVE BID FOR A CHANCE TO BECOME
00:11:10THE CONSULTANT THAT WILL GUIDE
THE STATE THROUGH THE POSSIBLE
00:11:14LEASE OF THE OHIO TURNPIKE.
THAT LEASE COULD BRING IN AS
00:11:16MUCH AS $2.5 BILLION FOR THE
STATE AT A TIME WHEN A NEEDS THE
00:11:19MONEY.
BUT CRITICS HAVE BLASTED THE
00:11:22PRIVATIZATION IDEA, CITING
CONCERNS ABOUT HIGHER TOLLS AND
00:11:25RISING TRAFFIC ON OTHER ROADS
FROM DRIVERS AND TRUCKERS WHO
00:11:28WANT TO AVOID THE TOLLS.
AMONG THOSE SOUNDING ALARMS
00:11:32ABOUT TURNING OVER THE OPERATION
OF THE TURNPIKE TO A PRIVATE
00:11:35ENTITY IS THE MAN WHO USED TO
HEAD UP THE AGENCY THAT RUNS THE
00:11:39ROAD.
JOINING ME TO TALK ABOUT HIS
00:11:41CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRIVATIZATION
OF THE TURNPIKE IS FORMER STATE
00:11:44SENATOR GARY SUHADOLNIK, THE
FORMER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
00:11:49OHIO TURNPIKE COMMISSION.
HE JOINS US FROM THESE
00:11:51FACILITIES OF WVIV IN CLEVELAND.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
00:11:57>> HAPPY TO BE HERE.
>> YOU ARE A CONSERVATIVE
00:12:00REPUBLICAN, SO MANY WOULD THINK
YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF
00:12:06PRIVATIZATION, BUT YOU HAVE
OPPOSED THIS FOR YEARS SPURRED
00:12:08BY A PUPPET IN KEN BLACKWELL
SUPPORT THE IDEA, RIGHT?
00:12:11>> I DID PUT A BUMPER STICKER ON
MY CAR THAT I WAS SO ANGRY ABOUT
00:12:17HIM AND HIS ACTIVITIES, YES.
I AM A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN,
00:12:23BUT I THINK IT IS A CONSERVATIVE
IDEA -- THE TURNPIKE IS A FEE-
00:12:27FOR SERVICE HIGHWAY.
WHY DO WE WANT TO CHANGE
00:12:33SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SO
SUCCESSFUL?
00:12:35>> YOU SAY YOU ARE OPPOSED
BECAUSE TURNPIKE DRIVERS ARE
00:12:38ALREADY SUBSIDIZING THE STATE,
PAYING GAS TAX IS GOING TO THE
00:12:41ROADS.
IF THEY ARE OHIOANS, THEY'RE
00:12:44PAYING TAXES, FEES, LICENSE
PLATE FEES.
00:12:48IF THEY GET TICKETS, THE FINES
GO TO COMMITTEES.
00:12:52THE TURNPIKE COMMISSION CAN MAKE
AN IMPROVEMENT, AND ZERO DOT --
00:12:57AND ODOT CAN USE THAT MONEY.
SO YOU THINK IT IS UNFAIR TO
00:13:06DRIVERS IN TERMS OF SUBSIDIZING
THE REST OF THE STATE?
00:13:08>> YOU SUMMED IT UP SO WELL.
IT IS ALREADY FUNDING ROADWAY
00:13:15PROJECTS AROUND THE STATE.
IT IS SO UNFAIR.
00:13:18WE DO NOT HAVE A TOLLWAY HIGHWAY
-- A TOLL-FREE HIGH WEIGHT IN
00:13:22THIS COUNTRY.
-- A TOLL-FREE HIGHWAY IN THIS
00:13:26AREA.
IF YOU ARE ON THE TURNPIKE,
00:13:29YOU'RE PAYING A TOLL EVERY DAY,
AND IN ADDITION, THE TURNPIKE
00:13:34CUSTOMER ALSO PAYS GAS TAXES
THAT DO NOT BENEFIT THE
00:13:39TURNPIKE THAT IN SOME CASE GO TO
COMPETING HIGHWAYS.
00:13:41IN THE SANDUSKY AREA, IT IS
ALMOST PARALLEL TO THE TURNPIKE.
00:13:45IT LOOKS LIKE AN INTERSTATE, SO
TRUCKS DROPPED DOWN TO THAT
00:13:49ROAD, WHICH IT WOULD PAY FOR
TURNPIKE DOLLARS.
00:13:52LICENSE PLATE FEES, DRIVER'S
LICENSE FEES, PAYING FOR THE
00:13:57HIGHWAY PATROL, BUT FOR SOME
REASON THE TURNPIKE WAS
00:14:00EXCLUDED, SO TURNPIKE CUSTOMERS
ALSO PAID FOR THE HIGHWAY PATROL
00:14:03SEPARATE FINALLY, THE BIGGEST
ONE IS THE FEDERAL MATCH.
00:14:08THE TURNPIKE SWINGS SUMMER IN
THE RANGE OF $30 MILLION TO $50
00:14:14MILLION A YEAR IN TERMS OF
PROJECTS, RESURFACING, ADDING A
00:14:18THIRD LINE, AND ALL THAT REPORTS
BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
00:14:20AND DRAWS DOWN AND 80 PERCENT
FEDERAL MATCH.
00:14:24THE TURNPIKE MAKES A MERE $30
MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS ONE
00:14:27YEAR, AND ODOT IS ABLE TO DRAW
DOWN $120 MILLION TO APPROVE
00:14:33OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THE STATE.
THE TURNPIKE CUSTOMERS ALREADY
00:14:38SUBSIDIZING THE REST OF THE
STATE, BUT WE HAVE TO DO MORE
00:14:40BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW A PRIVATE
CONTRACTOR WILL SIMPLY RAISE
00:14:43TOLL RATES.
THAT IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN
00:14:45INDIANA AND THE CHICAGO SKYWAY.
>> A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE HAD
00:14:51A GUESS THAT WAS REASSURING THAT
TURNPIKE TOLLS WOULD NOT GO UP
00:14:55DRAMATICALLY.
THAT THE SITUATION IN CHICAGO
00:15:00AND INDIANA ARE DIFFERENT.
HE WOULD HOLD A TURNPIKE
00:15:03OPERATOR TO NOT DRAMATICALLY
RAISE TOLLS.
00:15:05CAN THAT HAPPEN WITH A CAREFULLY
CONSTRUCTED CONTRACT?
00:15:08>> NO, I DO NOT.
I HAVE SEEN THE INDIANA
00:15:12CONTRACT.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE CHICAGO
00:15:14SKYWAY COUNTRY.
INDIANA HAD A NUMBER OF INDEXES,
00:15:18AND ONE WAS A CONSUMER PRICE
INDEX, ANOTHER WAS THE
00:15:22CONSTRUCTION INDEX, CONSTRUCTION
MATERIALS.
00:15:24OF ALL THE INDEXES THAT WERE IN
THERE, THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX
00:15:28WAS THE LOWEST INDEX.
ALL THE OTHERS WERE MUCH HIGHER.
00:15:30THIS IS BASICALLY, WHATEVER
INDEXES THEY PUT INTO THE
00:15:36CONTRACT, THE CONTRACTOR WILL
USE THEM TO THEIR ADVANTAGE.
00:15:38NO. TWO, IF THEY REALLY PROHIBIT
ANY INCREASES, THEY WILL NOT GET
00:15:44MUCH MONEY FOR THE TURNPIKE.
YOU PAY ME NOW OR YOU PAY ME
00:15:49LATER.
I THINK THERE WILL BE GENEROUS
00:15:52INDEXES IN THAT.
ANY CONTRACT THAT THEY WILL HAVE
00:15:54WITH A PRIVATE -- AND THERE IS A
FOREIGN CONCERN BECAUSE THE LAST
00:16:00EIGHT THAT TRIED A TOLL ROAD WAS
FLORIDA.
00:16:02ALL THE POTENTIAL BIDDERS WERE
FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
00:16:05WHOEVER IS SUCCESSFUL, BOTH THE
CHICAGO SKYWAY AND THE INDIANA
00:16:10TOLL ROAD, THEY ARE BOTH FOREIGN
CONCERNS THAT ARE LEASING THE
00:16:14TOLL ROADS.
WHOEVER THAT BUSINESS IS, AFTER
00:16:17THEY GIVE OHIO $2 BILLION OR $3
BILLION, WHATEVER THE AMOUNT OF
00:16:21MONEY AND THEY WANT TO RAISE
TOLLS, AND THEY ARE TOLD NO, YOU
00:16:26CANNOT RAISE TOLLS, GUESS WHAT,
THEY WILL BE IN COURT FIGHTING
00:16:29OVER THE DETAILS.
OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL BE SPENDING
00:16:32MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THEY
WILL BE SPENDING MILLIONS OF
00:16:35DOLLARS FIGHTING OUT THOSE
DETAILS IN COURT.
00:16:37IT IS NICE TO TALK ABOUT A
CONTRACT, BUT IT WILL BE
00:16:40DIFFICULT TO PRACTICALLY AND
FORCE.
00:16:42>> THERE ARE THOSE TWO THINGS
THAT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT
00:16:46LEVERAGING ASSETS AND WHY WE
WOULD NEED TO PRIVATIZE THE
00:16:49TURNPIKE.
ONE IS THE CONCERN OVER THE
00:16:52FEDERAL HIGHWAY FUNDING BILL
THAT IS SET TO COME UP FOR THE
00:16:55VOTE AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
IF IT DOES NOT GET PASSED, THERE
00:16:59IS CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECTS IN
THE PIPELINE THAT MIGHT NOT GET
00:17:02FINISHED.
THE IDEA BEING THAT IF THE MONEY
00:17:05WERE THERE FROM LEVERAGING THE
ASSET OF THE TURNPIKE, MAYBE WE
00:17:10WOULD NOT BE SO DEPENDENT ON
FEDERAL FUNDING.
00:17:12MAYBE IF WE GOT LESS FEDERAL
FUNDING, IT WOULD NOT HURT THAT
00:17:15BAD.
WHAT ABOUT THAT IDEA?
00:17:17>> FOR 56 YEARS, THE TURNPIKE
HAS NOT COST OHIO ONE PENNY.
00:17:25IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, OPERATED AND
MAINTAINED THROUGH TOLD
00:17:29RESIDENTS.
THE TURNPIKE CUSTOMER WHO HAS
00:17:30PAID TOLLS FOR 56 YEARS, AND IT
IS ALREADY SUBSIDIZING -- NOW
00:17:37GOVERNOR KASICH CAN SAY I WANT
THOSE PEOPLE TRAVELLING ACROSS
00:17:40NORTHERN OHIO TO PAY MORE TO
HELP OUT THE REST OF THE STATE.
00:17:43I HAVE HEARD SOME OF THIS
ARGUMENT -- WELL, THE MAJORITY
00:17:46OF THE PROJECTS WILL BE ALONG
THE TURNPIKE CORRIDOR.
00:17:49WHAT THIS IS IS THE GOVERNOR
COMING TO YOU AND SAYING I WANT
00:17:52YOU TO TAKE OUT A SECOND
MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOUSE.
00:17:55IF YOU PAY FOR THE SECOND
MORTGAGE -- AND BY THE WAY, I
00:17:59WILL TAKE THE PROCEEDS AND FIX
UP SOME OF THE HOUSES IN YOUR
00:18:02CITY.
IS A MATTER OF FACT, I WILL FIX
00:18:04THEM UPRIGHT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD
-- IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU
00:18:09SHOULD FEEL HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
THIS IS A BAD DEAL.
00:18:11THE CONCEPT OF LEASING IS A BAD
IDEA.
00:18:13IF LEASING WAS SUCH A GOOD IDEA,
WE WOULD ALL THESE ARE HOMES AND
00:18:19OUR CARS.
ANY FINANCIAL ADVISOR WILL TELL
00:18:21YOU LEASING IS A BAD IDEA, AND
IT IS REALLY A BAD IDEA NOW.
00:18:25JUST LIKE TRYING TO SELL A HOME,
IT'S A TERRIBLE TIME TO SELL A
00:18:29HOME, A WONDERFUL TIME TO BUY.
THE OHIO TURNPIKE WILL NOT GET
00:18:35THE AMOUNT OF PAYMENT FROM A
PRIVATE VENDOR THAT INDIANA
00:18:38RECEIVED.
INDIANA IS 157 MILES LONG.
00:18:42THE OHIO TURNPIKE IS TOO RIGID
41 MILES LONG.
00:18:43OUR ROAD IS IN BETTER CONDITION
-- IS 241 MILES LONG.
00:18:51PRIVATE CONTRACTOR PUT EASY PASS
IN INDIANA.
00:18:53THIS IS THE LONGTIME -- THE
PRIVATE CONTRACTOR PUT EZPASS IN
00:19:02INDIANA.
THIS IS THE WRONG TIME.
00:19:03>> THE OTHER ARGUMENT I HAVE
HEARD ABOUT RELEASING THE
00:19:08TURNPIKE IS WE HAVE A SERIOUS
PROBLEM WITH ODOT, THAT IT IS
00:19:12GOING BROKE.
BY 2017, THE PROJECT A HUGE
00:19:16DEFICIT.
IT IS SUGGESTED IT COULD BE $4
00:19:22BILLION.
GAS REVENUES ARE DROPPING
00:19:23BECAUSE FUEL CONSUMPTION IS
BETTER AND FEWER PEOPLE ARE
00:19:26DRIVING.
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT?
00:19:29WITHOUT HAVING THE MONEY FOR THE
LEASE OF A TURNPIKE COMING IN TO
00:19:34HELP ODOT GOING FORWARD.
>> I DO NOT KNOW WHY THE
00:19:39TURNPIKE IS THE PROBLEM.
THERE ARE $3 BILLION A YEAR
00:19:43TRAVELED ON THE TURNPIKE BY CARS
AND TRUCKS.
00:19:45THAT SAVES THE OHIO ROADS $3
BILLION.
00:19:48THE TURNPIKE IS SAVING ODOT TONS
OF MONEY ALREADY AND
00:19:52CONTRIBUTING LOTS OF MONEY
ALREADY.
00:19:54WHY ARE YOU PUTTING MORE OF A
BURDEN ON THE OHIO TURNPIKE?
00:19:58IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE USING THE
REST OF THOSE HIGHWAYS TO
00:20:01CONTRIBUTE THAT MONEY.
THE TURNPIKE IS MORE THAN SELF-
00:20:04SUFFICIENT AND IS CONTRIBUTING
ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO THE STATE.
00:20:08WHY ARE YOU PICKING ON THE ONE
THAT IS NOT COSTING YOU ANY
00:20:12MONEY?
USING THAT KIND OF LOGIC, BUT
00:20:17LEASE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY AND
LOWER TUITIONS AROUND THE REST
00:20:19OF THE STATE.
LET'S DO SOMETHING SIMILAR.
00:20:22LET'S LEASE OUT THE STATE HOUSE.
THIS IS JUST A RIDICULOUS IDEA,
00:20:28A TERRIBLY UNFAIR TO NORTHERN
OHIO.
00:20:29WHEN THE POLLS GO UP, THAT WILL
NOT MAKE NORTHERN OHIO MORE
00:20:35COMPETITIVE, WILL NOT HELP
PEOPLE DRIVING TO WORK ON THE
00:20:38TURNPIKE.
I DO NOT KNOW WHO IT IS GOING TO
00:20:40HELP.
IT WILL NOT HELP THE NEIGHBORING
00:20:42COMMUNITIES THAT WILL GET
TRAFFIC DIVERTED TO THEIR ROADS.
00:20:46THIS IS JUST A BAD IDEA.
I KNOW THESE ARE VERY DIFFICULT
00:20:49TIMES WITH VERY DIFFICULT
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE STATE OF
00:20:54OHIO IS IN TODAY, BUT A BAD IDEA
EVEN IN BAD TIMES IS STILL A BAD
00:20:58IDEA.
THE WORKERS WILL NOT BENEFIT,
00:21:02CUSTOMERS WILL NOT BENEFIT, THE
NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES WILL NOT
00:21:05BENEFIT.
REALLY ODOT WILL NOT BENEFIT,
00:21:09BECAUSE AS TRAFFIC IS DIVERTED
FROM THE TURNPIKE, OTHER ROADS
00:21:13WILL WEAR OUT QUICKER.
>> DIRECTOR RAY SAID ON THE SHOW
00:21:18A FEW WEEKS AGO, "WE ARE MOVING
FORWARD WITH SOME ACTION,
00:21:22LEVERAGING THE FACT THAT WE WILL
NOT LET IT SIT THERE, WE'RE
00:21:25GOING TO DO SOMETHING."
DOES THAT MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT
00:21:28IS A DONE DEAL AND THERE IS
NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO
00:21:31CHANGE IT BY YOU OR ANYBODY
ELSE?
00:21:33>> I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT THE
GOVERNOR AND DIRECTOR RAY'S
00:21:38POINT OF VIEW WILL PREVAIL AND
THERE WILL BE SOME FORM OF A
00:21:41LEASE.
AS I THINK I HAVE STRESSED, I
00:21:44THINK IT IS A TERRIBLE,
TERRIBLE, BAD IDEA.
00:21:46IN THE CASE OF THE TURNPIKE, BY
LOT IS NOT ALLOWED TO HIRE A
00:21:51LOBBYIST.
THE TURNPIKE EMPLOYEES ARE
00:21:55CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR FUTURE, SO
THEY ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT.
00:21:58THIS WILL BE A ONE-SIDED
ARGUMENT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE
00:22:01REASONS I DECIDED IT'S TIME FOR
SOMEONE TO SPEAK OUT.
00:22:04IF THERE IS NO ONE DEFENDING THE
TURNPIKE -- UNFORTUNATELY THEY
00:22:09HAVE CREATED THE BEST ARGUMENT.
SO I AM SPEAKING OUT.
00:22:13I'M HOPING TO REACH ENOUGH
PEOPLE.
00:22:14AS I TALK TO NO. OHIOANS -- I AM
KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY.
00:22:19THEY KNOW THAT I'M A LEGISLATOR,
WAS DIRECTOR OF THE TURNPIKE.
00:22:24ONE BY ONE, PEOPLE TELL ME IT IS
A BAD IDEA.
00:22:28PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR
JOBS, MAKING THEIR MORTGAGES, SO
00:22:32THEY WILL NOT FIGHT ABOUT THIS
TOOTH AND NAIL, BUT THEY ARE
00:22:35OPPOSED TO IT.
THIS IS A BAD IDEA.
00:22:38GENERALLY, AT LEAST NORTHERN
OHIOANS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS AND
00:22:42I THINK THE GOVERNOR OUGHT TO
WAKE UP AND LISTEN TO THOSE
00:22:45PEOPLE.
WE WILL SEE WHAT THE FUTURE
00:22:47BRINGS.
>> FORMER STATE SENATOR GARY
00:22:50SUHADOLNIK, THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR BEING HERE.
00:22:51WE STILL DO NOT KNOW THE KASICH
ADMINISTRATION PLANS FOR THE
00:22:56TURNPIKE, WHETHER THE PLANS ARE
TO PRIVATIZE IT, LEAST IT IN
00:23:00FULL OR IN PART, OR SELL BONDS
AGAINST THE RETINA.
00:23:03BUT A SHORT LIST OF POTENTIAL
CONSULTANTS TO THE PROJECT WAS
00:23:07RELEASED FRIDAY.
THE TEAMS WILL THEN GIVE
00:23:10PRESENTATIONS, AND THEN A FINAL
TEAM WILL BE CHOSEN TO LEAD THE
00:23:13TURNPIKE PROJECT IN THE NEXT FEW
WEEKS.
00:23:15FINALLY, A FOLLOW UP OF SORTS TO
A SEGMENT WE BROUGHT YOU EARLIER
00:23:19THIS YEAR, ON THE TOPIC OF WHO
WRITES LEGISLATION THAT
00:23:22LAWMAKERS CONSIDER.
I TALKED WITH REPUBLICAN SENATOR
00:23:25BILL SEITZ OF CINCINNATI A FEW
WEEKS AGO ABOUT HIS ROLE IN THE
00:23:29AMERICAN -- THE AMERICAN
LEGISLATIVE EXCHANGE COUNCIL.
00:23:34IT HAS BEEN WRITING MODEL
LEGISLATION FOR YEARS ON VARIOUS
00:23:36ISSUES WITH A CONSERVATIVE
PERSPECTIVE.
00:23:39ONE STATE LAWMAKER SAYS SHE IS
RUNNING A CONTEST FOR PEOPLE WHO
00:23:42THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW
FOR SOMETHING OR AGAINST
00:23:44SOMETHING.
REPUBLICAN MARLENE ANIELSKI IS
00:23:48FROM WALTON HILLS NEAR
CLEVELAND.
00:23:49>> A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS HAVE
COME TO ME AND DID NOT KNOW THE
00:23:53PROPER PROCESS AS TO MAKE A
SUGGESTION FOR A LOT, SO I
00:23:56THOUGHT THERE OUGHT TO BE A LOT
CONTEST.
00:23:59THAT IS HOW IT STARTED.
-- A LAW CONTEST.
00:24:04HAVING BUSINESS ROUNDTABLE WITH
ALL CHAMBERS OF CONGRESS -- OF
00:24:08COMMERCE IN MY DISTRICT, WE'RE
LOOKING ON THE SUBSIDE AS TO
00:24:11WHAT REGULATIONS AND PERHAPS
WHAT LAWS WE SHOULD NOT HAVE.
00:24:15I AM LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT
AVENUES OF 360 TO MAKE SURE THAT
00:24:20WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS IS
REALLY HELPING THE 17TH
00:24:24DISTRICT.
>> ANIELSKI SAYS SO FAR SHE HAS
00:24:26HEARD PROPOSALS ON A BULLYING
LAW FOR ADULTS AND A SUGGESTION
00:24:29THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO
REPRESENT THEMSELVES IN BOARD OF
00:24:33REVISION PROCEEDINGS RATHER THAN
HAVING TO HIRE ATTORNEYS.
00:24:36THE AUTHOR OF THE WINNING
PROPOSAL GETS MORE THAN JUST
00:24:38BRAGGING RIGHTS.
>> THEY CAN TESTIFY AS TO THE
00:24:42REASON WHY THEY SHOULD -- THEY
THINK IT SHOULD BE A LOT.
00:24:45ALSO UP -- A LAW.
WE ALSO HAVE A MEAL AND BITS OF
00:24:55BREAD, ALSO I THOUGHT I WOULD
OFFER THEM A FLAG THAT COULD BE
00:24:57FLOWN OVER THE CAPITAL.
>> THE DEADLINE FOR
00:25:04REPRESENTATIVE ANIELSKI'S THERE
OUGHT TO BE A LAW CONTEST IS
00:25:09SEPTEMBER 30.
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