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00:00:36KAREN: THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS
HALFWAY THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.
00:00:42AND AN INDEPTH AND EMOTIONAL
DISCUSSION ABOUT A CONTROVERSIAL
00:00:44PROPOSAL TO REQUIRE SOME OHIOANS
WHO ARE LOOKING FOR WORK TO
00:00:45SUBMIT TO DRUG TESTS TO GET
JOBLESS BENEFITS.
00:00:47ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:52STATE SENATORS HAVE APPROVED THE
$2.6 BILLION CAPITAL BUDGET BILL
00:00:58THAT FUNDS IMPROVEMENTS TO
SCHOOL BUILDINGS, ROADS, BRIDGES
00:01:00AND PARKS.
SENATORS WERE NEARLY UNANIMOUS,
00:01:02WITH REPUBLICAN KRIS JORDAN OF
DELAWARE THE LONE "NO" VOTE.
00:01:07THE BILL IS ON ITS WAY TO THE
HOUSE NOW, AND LAWMAKERS HOPE
00:01:09IT'LL BE SIGNED BY THE END OF
APRIL.
00:01:16A GROUP OF FAITH LEADERS CAME TO
THE STATEHOUSE TO CALL FOR
00:01:18SUPPORT FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY.
THE RALLY COMES AS LAWMAKERS
00:01:20PREPARE TO HEAR A PROPOSAL FROM
REPUBLICAN SEN.
00:01:21BILL SEITZ OF CINCINNATI - WELL
KNOWN AS A CRITIC OF THE GREEN
00:01:23ENERGY STANDARDS FOR ELECTRIC
UTILITIES.
00:01:25HIS BILL WOULD EXTEND THE
TWO-YEAR GREEN ENERGY STANDARDS
00:01:28FREEZE THAT ENDS THIS YEAR TO
2019.
00:01:32AND THIS WEEK STATE OFFICIALS
HELD THE FIRST HEARING TO GATHER
00:01:35PUBLIC INPUT ON A PROPOSAL TO
REQUIRE 1.5 MILLION LOW-INCOME
00:01:39OHIOANS ON MEDICAID TO PAY
MONTHLY PREMIUMS.
00:01:43HOUSE REPUBLICANS INSERTED THE
IDEA INTO THE STATE BUDGET LAST
00:01:44YEAR.
THE IDEA REQUIRES FEDERAL
00:01:46APPROVAL.
AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS OF NO
00:01:49MOVEMENT, THERE'S NEW COMMITTEE
ACTIVITY ON A BILL THAT WOULD
00:01:51REQUIRE SOME PEOPLE APPLYING FOR
UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS TO SUBMIT
00:01:58TO DRUG TESTS.
THE BILL WOULD SET UP A TWO YEAR
00:02:06PILOT PROGRAM IN CRAWFORD, DARKE
AND BUTLER COUNTIES TO SCREEN
00:02:09APPLICANTS FOR CASH ASSISTANCE
FOR DRUG ABUSE AND TESTING.
00:02:12SUPPORTERS SAY THIS WILL
IDENTIFY DRUG ADDICTS AND HELP
00:02:15THEM GET INTO TREATMENT WHILE
NOT PUNISHING FAMILIES.
00:02:16BUT OPPONENTS SAY IT'LL BE
EXPENSIVE TO CATCH POTENTIALLY
00:02:19VERY FEW DRUG ADDICTS, THAT
THERE AREN'T ENOUGH PLACES IN
00:02:21TREATMENT PROGRAMS, AND THAT THE
PROGRAM COULD DETER JOBLESS
00:02:23PEOPLE FROM APPLYING FOR THE
BENEFITS THEY NEED.
00:02:28TO TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSAL, I'M
PLEASED TO WELCOME ONE OF ITS
00:02:30SPONSORS, REP.
TIM SCHAFFER, A REPUBLICAN OF
00:02:34LANCASTER.
AND WITH A DIFFERENT POINT OF
00:02:36VIEW ON THE PLAN, I'M HAPPY TO
BRING IN REP.
00:02:39JANINE BOYD, A DEMOCRAT OF
CLEVELAND HEIGHTS AND A MEMBER
00:02:41OF THE COMMITTEE HEARING THE
BILL.
00:02:46THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR THE
FIRST TIME.
00:02:47I WANT TO START WITH YOU,
REPRESENTATIVE SCHAFFER.
00:02:50YOU SAID YOU HAVE HEARD
COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE SAYING I
00:02:57HAVE TO BE DRUG TESTED, WHY
SHOULDN'T PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING
00:02:59TAXPAYER PAID BENEFITS, WHY
SHOULD THEY NOT HAVE TO GET DRUG
00:03:04TESTED BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN SUBMITTING TO A DRUG
00:03:06TEST TO TAKE A JOB YOU WANT AND
SUBMITTING TO A DRUG TEST
00:03:09BECAUSE YOU LOST A JOB, RIGHT?
REP. SCHAFFER: THE WHOLE ISSUE
00:03:17HAS COME FROM THE GRASSROOTS.
POLICE WHO HAVE DONE DRUG BUSTS
00:03:24OF DRUG HOUSES, SOCIAL WORKERS
AND CASEWORKERS, EVEN THE FOLKS
00:03:30WHO BROUGHT THE IDEA TO OUR
ATTENTION AND WHAT THEY'RE
00:03:32SAYING IS THERE IS ENOUGH DRUG
ABUSE AMONG THE POPULATION THAT
00:03:39WE NEED TO ZERO IN AND HELP
THESE FAMILIES THAT ARE
00:03:42SUFFERING FROM DRUG ABUSE AND WE
ARE NOT HELPING THEM.
00:03:44THESE ARE FAMILIES THAT APPLY
FOR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND IN
00:03:48THIS CASE, WHO ARE SUFFERING AND
THEY ARE UNDER THE RADAR.
00:03:54NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT AND
PRESUMABLY THERE IS ANOTHER
00:04:00POINT OF THE LEGISLATION, STATE
PACK -- TAXPAYER MONEY IS USED
00:04:03TO SUPPORT THE ILLEGAL DRUG
HABIT AND MAKES APPLICATIONS FOR
00:04:08OHIO FIRST AND THE KIDS AND
OTHERS ARE GETTING ZERO MONEY.
00:04:13KAREN: IS THERE A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN HAVING TO TAKE THE TEST
00:04:18BECAUSE YOU HAVE LOST THE JOB?
>> THAT IS THE UNEMPLOYMENT
00:04:23COMPENSATION AND THE --
PRESIDENT OBAMA SIGNED THE
00:04:28LEGISLATION, DRUG TESTING WHERE
THERE ARE ILLEGAL TESTS INVOLVED
00:04:33OR A FIRING AND IF THERE IS
REASONABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE
00:04:37THERE MIGHT BE GOOD ABUSE GOING
ON.
00:04:40THIS HAS BEEN A BIPARTISAN
ISSUE.
00:04:44THE OTHER PART OF THE BILL WHICH
ADDRESSES OHIO WORKS FIRST WILL
00:04:48-- THE TAXPAYER HAS A RIGHT TO
KNOW THAT HIS OR HER TAX MONEY
00:04:51THAT THEY ARE GIVING TO THE
STATE TO USE WISELY DOES NOT GO
00:04:55FOR A ILLEGAL DRUG USE.
KAREN: I WANT TO BRING YOU IN
00:04:59HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT IS A
00:05:02TAXPAYER BENEFIT.
WHY NOT ASK PEOPLE TO SUBMIT TO
00:05:04A SCREENING IF THEY HAVE A DRUG
PROBLEM OR TO BE SCREENED TO
00:05:09MAKE SURE THEY DO NOT HAVE ONE.
IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A DRUG
00:05:13PROBLEM THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH THIS, RIGHT?
00:05:15MS. BOYD: IF WE ARE GOING TO
TEST PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE
00:05:21RECEIVING END OF TAXPAYER
DOLLARS FOR ANY OF THEIR
00:05:24LIVELIHOOD THEN TWO DEMOCRATS
HAVE PROPOSED WE TEST ALL OF OUR
00:05:32LEGISLATORS.
KAREN: I WANT TO GET TO THAT.
00:05:36MS. BOYD: MY BROTHERS AND
SISTERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A
00:05:42-- THE AISLE ARE OPPOSED SO
NEITHER OF THE BILLS WENT
00:05:44ANYWHERE.
WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS
00:05:46GOOD FOR THE GANDER IN MY
OPINION.
00:05:47IT IS SURPRISING THAT MY
REPUBLICAN FRIENDS WHO, THERE
00:05:56PLATFORM IS CENTERED AROUND
SMALLER GOVERNMENT WOULD WANT TO
00:05:59DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS ONE THERE
ARE PROGRAMS OUT THERE, GREAT
00:06:06PROGRAMS WITH GREAT LONG-TERM
OUTCOMES THAT DO THIS AND THEY
00:06:08HAVE DRUGS AND SUBSTANCE TESTING
INVOLVED IN THEIR SCREENING AND
00:06:16RECRUITMENT AND ENROLLMENT.
I DO NOT THINK WE ARE THE ONES
00:06:21TO DO THIS.
OTHER STATES OF JONAS WE ARE NOT
00:06:23THE ONES TO DO THIS.
KAREN: IS IN THE ROLE OF
00:06:27GOVERNMENT TO HELP ESPECIALLY
PEOPLE WHO DO NEED DRUG
00:06:29TREATMENT, ESPECIALLY KIDS AND
FAMILIES.
00:06:34MS. BOYD: THERE IS THE TEMPORARY
ASSISTANCE TO NEEDY FAMILIES
00:06:41PROGRAMS THAT EXIST AND
SUBSTANCE ABUSE TO ME THAT IS
00:06:43AVAILABLE AND IF WE ARE, IT IS
ALREADY THERE SO WE COULD BE
00:06:45REFERRING, WE COULD SPEND MORE
TIME EDUCATING FAMILIES TO WHAT
00:06:51EXISTS INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM GO
THROUGH YET ANOTHER, JUMP
00:06:55THROUGH ANOTHER LOOP WHEN THE
LOOPS ARE STACKED UP AGAINST
00:06:56THEM.
KAREN: WHY COMMISSIONER SAID
00:07:01THAT THIS WOULD HELP THE COUNTY
DEAL WITH THE DRUG PROBLEM AND
00:07:03AN EMPLOYMENT PROBLEM BUT IF
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SPACES TO
00:07:07BE REFERRED TO DRUG TREATMENT
HOW DOES THAT HELP EITHER
00:07:10PROBLEM?
REP. SCHAFFER: WHERE APPROPRIATE
00:07:14-- WE ARE APPROPRIATING MONEY FO
R DRUG COUNSELING IN THIS
00:07:19REGARD.
IN A LOT OF COUNTIES WE ARE
00:07:21PACKED WITH WAITING LINES, WITH
WAITING LISTS FOR COUNSELING,
00:07:28FOR HELP.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
00:07:30THE FAMILIES THAT ARE STILL
SUFFERING, THAT THEY GET
00:07:35IDENTIFIED AND WE ARE NOT
WASTING TAXPAYER MONEY.
00:07:39WE CAN MAKE SURE AND THIS IS A
FEATURE IN THE BILL WE DIVERT
00:07:40THE TAX MONEY TO THE KIDS
THROUGH A PROTECTIVE PAYEE TO
00:07:44MAKE SURE THE FAMILIES GETTING
THE HELP THEY DESPERATELY NEED.
00:07:47AND THE BREADWINNER WHO MADE THE
APPLICATION FOR TREATMENT.
00:07:52MY COLLEAGUE ANNA, CENTERED
TURNER INTRODUCED A BILL LAST
00:07:57SESSION THE PROPOSED LEGISLATORS
BEING DRUG TESTED.
00:08:02I WAS THE COSPONSOR.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
00:08:03I PITCHED THE IDEA TO AMEND THIS
BILL OR MY BILL.
00:08:10IT IS A GOOD IDEA.
KAREN: YOU ARE OK WITH THAT.
00:08:15REP. SCHAFFER: THE JOINT SPONSOR
IS FINE WITH IT TOO.
00:08:18KAREN: DO YOU FEEL THIS MIGHT
DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM APPLYING
00:08:24FOR BENEFITS, THERE HAS BEEN
THAT CONCERN THAT IF YOU PUT
00:08:26THIS ROADBLOCK UP THERE THAN
PEOPLE WHO NEED TREATMENT AND
00:08:28READ -- NEED THE BENEFITS FOR
THE FAMILIES MIGHT BE
00:08:32DISCOURAGED TO A PLAN THE FIRST
PLACE.
00:08:33REP. SCHAFFER: I WOULD LIKE TO
ASK WHAT THE ROADBLOCK IS.
00:08:37THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL PROCESS,
IT IS A CONFIDENTIAL PROCESS.
00:08:43JOBS SERVICES IS REQUIRED TO
KEEP THE APPLICATION
00:08:45CONFIDENTIAL.
WHERE IS THE ROADBLOCK, THE
00:08:49ROADBLOCK IS GETTING COUNSELING
FOR THE PERSON WHO NEEDS IT SO
00:08:51BADLY, THE ROADBLOCK IS GETTING
THE MONEY FOR THE KIDS, IT IS AN
00:08:55AVERAGE OF $192 PER MONTH PER
CHILD.
00:08:57THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT GETTING
MOST OF NOT ALL THAT BECAUSE THE
00:09:02DRUG IS GOING -- MONEY IS GOING
DOWN THE STREET TO THE DRUG
00:09:05DEALER.
MS. BOYD: WE WANTED TO KNOW IF
00:09:13WE FOUND OUT FROM THEM HOW THEY
WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
00:09:18AT THE POINT OF INTRODUCING THIS
BILL, THEY HAD NOT SPOKEN TO
00:09:22ANYONE WHO WAS STRUGGLING WITH
POVERTY, POTENTIALLY SUBSTANCE
00:09:26ABUSE AND WOULD BE FORCED TO DO
THAT.
00:09:27LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MONEY THAT
YOU ARE CONCERNED THAT THESE
00:09:33INDIVIDUALS ARE WASTING.
IN FLORIDA, BEFORE IT WAS FOUND
00:09:38TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH
AMENDMENT, THEY IMPLEMENTED SUCH
00:09:41A TEST OF TANF APPLICANTS AND
OVER 4000 PAST.
00:09:47ONLY 108 WERE FOUND POSITIVE.
ONLY 108 AND THE COST WAS OVER
00:09:53$118,000.
IT WOULD HAVE COST THEM OVER
00:09:55$40,000 TO SAVE CASH BENEFITS.
THAT IS AN EXAMPLE AND THERE ARE
00:10:01MORE.
IF WE ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN
00:10:03DOING GOOD WORK AND REALLY
HELPING ALL FAMILIES, THEN LET'S
00:10:09LOOK AT PRECEDENT.
AT LEAST LET'S CONSIDER WHAT HAS
00:10:10BEEN DONE AND GO FROM THERE.
AND ALSO CONSIDER THAT OTHER
00:10:15REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES OF OURS
WHO HAVE THE -- HAD THE
00:10:18FORETHOUGHT OF FINDING WAYS TO
HELP PEOPLE GET OFF OF CASH
00:10:23ASSISTANCE, FIND WORK, FIND WORK
TRAINING, AND WE ARE TALKING
00:10:24ABOUT YOUR HARDEST TO EMPLOYEES,
THE REENTRY POPULATION, SINGLE
00:10:29PARENTS, WE ARE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO
HAVE LESS EDUCATION.
00:10:32THEY CREATED SOMETHING CALLED
HEALTHIER BUCKEYES, THAT IS A
00:10:36PROBE -- PROGRAM WE ARE GETTING
OFF THE GROUND.
00:10:40LET'S SEE IF IT WORKS.
WHY DO WE WANT TO SPEND THIS
00:10:44MONEY ON THIS AND WE HAVE
EVIDENCE THAT IT HAS NOT WORKED
00:10:45IN OTHER STATES AND NOT DO
SOMETHING THAT YOUR OWN PARTY,
00:10:50YOUR OWN CAUCUS CAME UP WITH AND
GIVE IT A SHOT?
00:10:51REP. SCHAFFER: IT WAS A FLAWED
BILL IN FLORIDA.
00:10:57THAT IS MY OPINION, IT SHOULD
NOT HAVE BEEN PASSED OR SIGNED
00:11:03BY THE GOVERNOR.
WE HAD A CASE THAT WAS THROWN
00:11:06OUT AND FLORIDA WAS MODELED ON
MICHIGAN.
00:11:09IT IS NOT A MODEL I SPORTED ALL.
THE REAL STATISTICS ARE IN
00:11:12FLORIDA IN THAT BRIEF TIME, THE
YEAR AND A HALF OR SO WHEN THEY
00:11:16WERE DOING THEIR BILL BEFORE THE
COURTS PUT A STOP TO IT, A
00:11:19PERCENT OF THE FOLKS WHO APPLIED
FOR THEIR WORKS FIRST PROGRAM,
00:11:24THE CASH ASSISTANCE PROGRAM
FAILED THE TEST OR DID NOT COME
00:11:27BACK TO TAKE THE DRUG TEST.
OVER 8%.
00:11:30THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER.
IN UTAH IS CLOSE TO 12%.
00:11:37IF YOU APPLY THOSE FACTORS TO
OHIO I ESTIMATE THERE ARE 9000
00:11:39KIDS OUT THERE WHO SHOULD BE
GETTING THAT AVERAGE OF $192 A
00:11:44MONTH FROM THE STATE TAXPAYER
AND PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE THE
00:11:48MONEY IS BEING USED FOR DRUGS OR
OTHER ILLICIT ACTIVITY.
00:11:51THIS PROGRAM, THIS LEGISLATION
GETS TO THE CORE OF THAT,
00:11:55IDENTIFIES THE ABUSER AND GETS
THAN THE TREATMENT.
00:11:58THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM.
GET THE MONEY TO THE CHILDREN
00:12:00AND THE FAMILY, THAT IS NOT A
PROBLEM.
00:12:03EVERYBODY WINS AND EVENTUALLY
THIS IS ALL ABOUT LIFTING THESE
00:12:07FAMILIES UP AND HELPING THEM
FIND WORK.
00:12:08IT IS HELPING THEM GET CLEAN AND
BECOME INDEPENDENT.
00:12:11THAT IS THE GOAL.
MS. BOYD: YOU'RE TAKING THEM
00:12:16DOWN BEFORE YOU BRING THEM UP
AND IT IS HARDER TO AND -- TO
00:12:23DIG YOURSELF OUT OF A DITCH.
THESE PEOPLE ARE TRADING, THEY
00:12:26ARE STRUGGLING AND DOING
EVERYTHING THEY CAN.
00:12:27EVEN IF WITH YOUR STATISTICS THE
NUMBERS WHO FAILED ARE SMALL.
00:12:33AND THE MONEY THAT YOU ARE
SPENDING IS GREAT.
00:12:34AND GREATER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD
BE SPENDING ON THEM CONTINUING
00:12:39THEIR BENEFITS AND GOING TO
PROGRAMS THAT ALREADY DO THIS
00:12:41WORK.
ONCE THEY DO IT THEY ARE
00:12:44ENROLLED IN A CASE PLAN AND
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT THAT CARE
00:12:46ABOUT THEM AND THEIR WELL-BEING
AND WANT TO SEE THEM SUCCEED
00:12:50THAT WALK WITH THEM FROM WHERE
THEY ARE UP TO WHAT IS
00:12:52RELATIVELY FAST RELATIVE TO THEM
IN TERMS OF SUCCESS.
00:12:57THERE ARE THINGS OUT THERE THAT
WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF
00:13:03SUPPORTING THOSE PROGRAMS,
CONNECTING THE FAMILIES TO THOSE
00:13:06PROGRAMS.
WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THIS.
00:13:08REP. SCHAFFER: THE PROBLEM IS
THEY ARE NOT TOUCHING THIS
00:13:13POPULATION.
THIS POPULATION IS GOING THROUGH
00:13:14THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND WE
ESTIMATE 90% OF THEM ARE GOOD,
00:13:17LAW-ABIDING OHIOANS.
IT IS THE 10% THAT BOTHERS US.
00:13:22IT IS THE 9000 KIDS AND I DO NOT
THINK THAT IS AN INSIGNIFICANT
00:13:27NUMBER.
9000 KIDS BY ESTIMATION ARE
00:13:29SUFFERING AND NOT GETTING THE
BENEFIT OF THIS MONEY FROM THE
00:13:33OHIO TAXPAYER.
THAT IS WHERE WE ARE ZEROING IN
00:13:34ON TRYING TO GET THE ROOT CAUSE
OF THIS DYSFUNCTION OUT AND LIFT
00:13:37THAT FAMILY IT.
ALL THE FAMILIES WILL TELL YOU,
00:13:39WE WOULD NOT -- WE WANT TO BE
SELF-SUFFICIENT.
00:13:44IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AS
LONG AS WE KEEP THESE FAMILIES
00:13:46TRAPPED IN THESE ABUSIVE
SITUATIONS AND WHAT I CALL THIS
00:13:51CYCLE OF DRUG-INDUCED POVERTY.
IT IS A CONSTANT CYCLE THAT THEY
00:13:53CANNOT GET OUT OF OF -- ON THEIR
OWN AND WE CAN IDENTIFY THE DRUG
00:13:58ABUSE AND GET THAT BREADWINNER
WELL, GET THE MONEY WITH NO
00:14:01DELAY TO THE KIDS AND FAMILY WE
ALL WIN.
00:14:02MS. BOYD: QUITE A FEW ARE IN
POVERTY THAT LED THEM TO SIGN --
00:14:07SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND WE WILL NOT
AND THAT UNLESS WE ADDRESS
00:14:10CYCLES OF POVERTY WHICH IS THE
COMMITTEE THAT WE ARE ON OUR --
00:14:14IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING,
00:14:22REPRODUCTIVE BILLS AND
LEGISLATION INSTITUTE OF DEALING
00:14:25WITH FINDING PROGRAMS,
IDENTIFYING PROGRAMS, LEARNING
00:14:27WAYS TO SUPPORT FAMILIES TO
SUCCESS THAT IS RELATIVE TO THEM
00:14:31AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR
WORLD.
00:14:34WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THAT AND
SO NOW WE DO THIS.
00:14:36THIS WAS THE FIRST STEP, THIS IS
IT, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO
00:14:39ME.
REP. SCHAFFER: THIS IS THE FIRST
00:14:42STEP I HAVE TAKEN AND THE HOUSE
BILL DOES THREE THINGS, HELPS
00:14:49THE KIDS, GETS TREATMENT TO THE
ABUSER AND PROTECTS THE STATE
00:14:52TAXPAYER.
KAREN: I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE
00:14:55REFERENCE TO THE FLORIDA PROGRAM
THAT WAS CONSTITUTIONAL.
00:14:59ARE YOU CERTAIN THIS IS
CONSTITUTIONAL?
00:15:00REP. SCHAFFER: ABSOLUTELY.
THERE ARE 15 OTHER STATES THAT
00:15:03HAVE PASS THIS LEGISLATION AND
OTHERS THAT HAVE INTRODUCED IT
00:15:09AND ARE WORKING ON IT.
THOSE -- THAT IS OVER HALF THE
00:15:13STATES IN THE NATION.
THE VAST MAJORITY HAVE GONE TO A
00:15:16NEW METHODOLOGY WHICH INCLUDES A
DRUG ASSESSMENT AND APPLICATION
00:15:19-- AT APPLICATION AND IF YOU DO
NOT PASS THAT, IF YOU GET A HIGH
00:15:27NUMBER ON IT, THE ART -- THEN
YOU'RE ASKED TO TAKE A DRUG
00:15:28TEST.
THAT HAS PASSED THE COURTS
00:15:31MUSTER.
THAT WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THE
00:15:35MICHIGAN AND THE FLORIDA BILLS.
KAREN: THE ACLU AND OTHERS HAVE
00:15:40TALKED ABOUT THE 13 OTHER STATES
THAT HAVE DONE THESE KINDS OF
00:15:42PROGRAMS AND THE RESULTS HAVE
BEEN THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE
00:15:45TURNED OUT TO BE DRUG USERS.
OHIO IN -- OHIO HAS A SERIOUS
00:15:51OPIOID ABUSE PROBLEM.
WHEN IT BE GOOD TO COME UP WITH
00:15:55A PROGRAM WHERE WE COULD FIND
OUT HOW BAD THE PROBLEM IS IN
00:15:58THE THREE COUNTIES AND FIND A
WAY TO ATTACK THE PROBLEM AND
00:16:01MAYBE EXTRAPOLATE IT TO THE REST
OF THE STATE.
00:16:03MS. BOYD: THE VEHICLES EXIST.
THIS IS A LOOPHOLE AND THIS IS
00:16:12ONE THAT IS ON FIRE AND THEY
HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH THIS FIERY
00:16:15HOOP.
THE TANF PROGRAM THEM IF WE CAN
00:16:19CONNECT FAMILIES TO THAT.
WHEN YOU APPLY FOR BENEFITS, IF
00:16:24THEY HAD INTERVIEWED PEOPLE WHO
HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS THEY
00:16:27WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A
PROCESS BY WHICH PEOPLE IDENTIFY
00:16:33ADDITIONAL NEEDS.
WHAT ARE YOUR ADDITIONAL NEEDS,
00:16:37WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE HOME?
WE ARE TAKING AWAY THE
00:16:43OPPORTUNITY FOR A FAMILY OR AN
INDIVIDUAL TO BUILD A
00:16:46RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE AND
GET TO A PLACE OF TRUST AND GET
00:16:51TO THAT PLACE OF TREATMENT.
WORKERS WHO DO THIS, THEY KNOW
00:16:55WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN WHO IS
ADDICTED.
00:16:57MOST WORKERS ARE TRAINED IN
THIS, THEY GET IT.
00:17:03THEY KNOW WHO IS ADDICTED.
THEY KNOW THAT SO THEY ARE ABLE
00:17:05TO CONNECT FAMILIES TO PROGRAMS
THAT DO THIS.
00:17:06LET'S BETTER EMPOWER THEM TO DO
THAT MORE.
00:17:11LET'S BETTER EMPOWER THEM TO DO
THAT MORE, LET'S CONNECT THEM TO
00:17:14PARTS OF THE STATE THAT MAY NOT
HAVE AS MANY PROGRAMS THAT DO
00:17:17THAT.
REP. SCHAFFER: VOLUNTARY
00:17:22PROGRAMS.
MS. BOYD: THERE IS SOMETHING TO
00:17:26VOLUNTARY.
THAT IS THE REASON WE GOT RID OF
00:17:27THE DRAFT.
REP. SCHAFFER: THEY COULD WALK
00:17:31OUT THE DOOR.
THAT IS WHAT CASEWORKERS ARE
00:17:34TELLING ME THAT THEY ARE SAYING
HAPPEN.
00:17:35WHAT THIS LEGISLATION DOES IS
CLEARLY IDENTIFIES THE DRUG
00:17:39ABUSER, IT DOES NOT PENALIZE
THEM, IT DOES NOT BEAT THEM
00:17:44DOWN, IT SAYS YOU NEED HELP, WE
WILL GET YOU THE HELP YOU NEED.
00:17:47WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS CHECK
OVER TO A PROTECTIVE PIECE OF
00:17:50THE KIDS IN THE FAMILY GET THE
HELP THEY NEED.
00:17:53BY THE WAY, REPRESENTATIVE HAS
FROM CLEVELAND HAS -- HOUSE HAS
00:18:01VOLUNTEERED TO RUN GROUPS.
WE MET ON THAT AND WE HAVE GONE
00:18:06OVER SOME INFORMATION SHE WANTED
TO PRESENT TO THEM AND Q&A, I AM
00:18:11WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE RESULTS
ARE.
00:18:12I AM EXCITED ABOUT IT.
MS. BOYD: I AM EXCITED ABOUT THE
00:18:18POSSIBILITY YOU WILL CHANGE THIS
AFTER YOU MEET WITH THEM.
00:18:19I PLAN TO BE THERE.
KAREN: THE IDEA OF TALKING TO
00:18:24PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED BY
THIS, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO,
00:18:26ARE YOU HOPING TO, STEPHANIE
HOUSE HAS PLANS HERE OR HAVE YOU
00:18:32BEFORE?
REP. SCHAFFER: THE TAXPAYER OF
00:18:36OHIO IS THE BOSS.
I'M GETTING THIS INFORMATION
00:18:40FROM NUMEROUS POLICE OFFICIALS
AND JFS CASEWORKERS.
00:18:47THAT IS WHERE THE INSPIRATION
FOR THE LEGISLATION CAME FROM.
00:18:49A YEAR AGO THERE WAS A PROGRAM
THAT WAS AUTHORIZED AND CALLED
00:18:51FOR IN THE LEGISLATION, A SURVEY
OF THE LOCAL DIRECTORS ACROSS
00:18:58THE STATE OF OHIO.
THESE ARE FOLKS DEALING DIRECTLY
00:19:02WITH THIS POPULATION, WITH THESE
FOLKS WHO NEED HELP SO
00:19:04DESPERATELY.
THOSE DIRECTORS CAME BACK AND
00:19:07SAID THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM,
BARRIER TO FOLKS GETTING
00:19:12MEANINGFUL WORK AS DRUG ABUSE
AND THE FAILURE TO PASS A DRUG
00:19:16TEST.
THESE ARE EXPERTS THAT WE HIRE
00:19:19IN A MOST EVERY COUNTY TO RUN
OUR WELFARE PROGRAMS.
00:19:20ALSO YOU HAVE SOME VERBATIM'S
FROM CONSTITUENTS ON OHIO WORKS
00:19:30FIRST.
ONE OF THEM, FOR EXAMPLE SAID ON
00:19:33HOW TO IMPROVE THE PROGRAM, DRUG
TESTING.
00:19:35I COULD READ YOU OTHER
VERBATIMS.
00:19:41MANY FOLKS CAN PASS BUT NOT
MAINTAIN BEING DRUG-FREE.
00:19:47IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
MS. BOYD: IN OUR COMMITTEE, THE
00:19:53ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS
SOCIAL WORKERS WHO MAKE UP THE
00:19:54CASE MANAGEMENT TEAM,
CASEWORKERS, THEY TESTIFIED
00:19:58AGAINST HER BILL.
I AM NOT SURE WHAT CASE MANAGERS
00:20:00ARE -- THAT ARE ON THE FRONT
LINES DOING THIS WORK, WHERE YOU
00:20:06GET THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF
THIS MEASURE.
00:20:10WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS THERE
ARE PROGRAMS THAT DO THIS, LET'S
00:20:14BETTER CONNECT FAMILIES TO THOSE
PROGRAMS WHERE THERE IS ALSO
00:20:17SOME INTEGRITY AROUND ALL THE
OTHER THINGS THAT A FAMILY MIGHT
00:20:21BE FACING.
AND LET'S USE WHAT WE ALREADY
00:20:25HAVE IN TERMS OF THE SIX WEEKS
OF THE -- THAT THE TANF
00:20:32PROGRAM OFFERS.
KAREN: VOLUNTARY PROGRAMS MIGHT
00:20:37NOT WORK WITH A SMALL PERCENTAGE
OF THIS POPULATION.
00:20:39HOW DO YOU REACH THE PEOPLE WHO
DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS
00:20:42VOLUNTARILY BUT WHO NEED TO BE
REACHED?
00:20:43MS. BOYD: WHAT THIS -- MY
EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN AND I COME
00:20:48FROM A BEHAVIORAL BACKGROUND,
YOU HAVE GREAT LONG-TERM
00:20:52OUTCOMES, YOU HAVE A GREAT
RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT THAT
00:20:57-- WHATEVER FUNDING THE
NONPROFIT HAS THEY INVESTED WELL
00:21:00WHETHER IT IS TRAINING, GETTING
THE WORD OUT ABOUT THEIR PROGRAM
00:21:05AND WRAPPING SERVICES WHICH
MEANS MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE
00:21:09NEEDS OF THE FAMILY ARE MET SO
THAT SOMEONE IS SUCCESSFUL GOING
00:21:11THROUGH WHATEVER THE PROGRAM,
WHETHER IT IS COUNSELING OR
00:21:15WORKFORCE TRAINING OR EDUCATION,
ADULT LITERACY.
00:21:16IN THOSE SITUATIONS, WHAT WE
HAVE FOUND IS THAT ONCE A FAMILY
00:21:24WHO HAS EXPERIENCED A GREAT MANY
LOSSES THAT HAVE LED THEM TO
00:21:29THIS POINT IN THEIR LIVES,
WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
00:21:33POVERTY ITSELF, WHETHER WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
00:21:36ONE FAMILY TAKES -- IT TAKES ONE
PERSON TO SUCCEED, TO MAKE IT
00:21:43OUT.
AND 3, 4, 5 OF THEIR FRIENDS OR
00:21:48FAMILY MEMBERS STRUGGLING WITH
THE SAME THING COME TO US, IT IS
00:21:51ALL ABOUT SHOWING PEOPLE.
IT IS LIKE ANY OTHER THING THAT
00:21:57WE DO.
THAT IS WHAT MENTORING IS.
00:21:58THAT IS WHAT MODELING IS.
THAT IS WHAT SHOWING SOMEONE
00:22:04WHAT IS -- THEIR OPTIONS, THAT
THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS.
00:22:09THEY DO NOT HAVE TO CONTINUE THE
CYCLE.
00:22:11THEY DO NOT HAVE TO STAY
ADDICTED.
00:22:12THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THAT
CONTROL THEIR LIVES BUT PROGRAMS
00:22:16THAT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT EXIST.
THEY ARE WONDERFUL PROGRAMS THAT
00:22:19-- WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE
TESTIFIED IN OPPOSITION TO YOUR
00:22:23BILL, WHO MAKE VERY LITTLE MONEY
DOING IT.
00:22:27REP. SCHAFFER: ALL THE PEOPLE IN
THOSE PROGRAMS, THAT SOCIETY WAS
00:22:35SUPPOSED TO ERADICATE, NOT HELP
OR PUT A BAND-AID OVER IT, THE
00:22:40GREAT SOCIETY WAS SUPPOSED TO
ERADICATE IT.
00:22:43BABIES BORN WITH ADDICTION TO
ILLEGAL DRUGS, TOO HORRIBLE
00:22:49SUBSTANCES IN THEIR BODIES HAS
GONE UP 750%.
00:22:50THIS BILL DOES NOT APPLY TO
MEDICAID.
00:22:52THAT GIVES YOU A VERY GOOD
EXAMPLE OF HOW THE DRUG ABUSE IN
00:22:59OUR SOCIETY IS TAKING OVER.
IT IS TAKING CONTROL OF THESE
00:23:01FAMILIES.
THE INDIVIDUALS, IF YOU HAVE
00:23:05FIVE AND THE FAMILIES, THE
INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DOING ILLEGAL
00:23:06DRUGS IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO
BE DISCLOSING TO THE OTHER
00:23:12MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY OR ANYBODY
ELSE, THE EMPLOYER OR ANYBODY.
00:23:15THAT IS THE PERSON WE NEED TO
HAVE TAKE THE DRUG TEST WHEN
00:23:19THEY WANT STATE TAXPAYER MONEY,
WHEN THEY WANT OUR MONEY, THAT
00:23:22IS THE KIND OF PERSON WE NEED TO
TAKE THE ASSESSMENT AND JUDGE
00:23:25WHETHER THEY ARE AT A HIGH RISK
JUDGE ABUSE -- AT DRUG ABUSE TO
00:23:31TAKE THE TEST.
THIS IS A WIN-WIN ALL THE WAY
00:23:32AROUND.
KAREN: IS THERE ANY WAY TO
00:23:37APPEAL THE TEST OF IT COMES BACK
POSITIVE?
00:23:38REP. SCHAFFER: ABSOLUTELY.
THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROGRESS
00:23:42-- PROCESS, JFS WILL ACCEPT THE
APPEAL.
00:23:48THAT IS THE NORMAL COURSE OF
BUSINESS.
00:23:50MS. BOYD: I THINK WE COULD SPEND
OUR MONEY MORE WISELY.
00:23:54WHAT LEADS PEOPLE TO SUBSTANCE
ABUSE A LOT OF TIMES ARE THINGS
00:23:59LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND A
JOB AND DEALING WITH A CYCLE OF
00:24:01POVERTY AND ISSUES OF POVERTY.
IF WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE I THINK
00:24:05YOU WOULD FIND THAT PEOPLE WOULD
BE LESS AND LESS INCLINED TO TRY
00:24:10DRUGS, TO ESCAPE WHATEVER WORLD
THEY ARE IN.
00:24:13THAT HAS BEEN SO DIFFICULT FOR
THEM.
00:24:16I THINK THERE ARE PROGRAMS LIKE
THIS THAT ALREADY EXIST THAT DO
00:24:19WONDERFUL WORK AND DO MORE THAN
WE CAN DO BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST
00:24:21ABOUT TREATMENT.
THERE IS FAMILY PRESERVATION,
00:24:27ALSO TO THINGS IN WORK TRAINING
AND ALSO TO THINGS WE DO NOT DO
00:24:30AS EFFECTIVELY AS THESE PROGRAMS
THAT THAT IS ALL THERE DO -- ALL
00:24:32THEY DO, THAT IS THEIR MISSION
AND THEY BUILD THEIR PROGRAMS
00:24:37AROUND IT.
I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE US TO
00:24:38RECONSIDER.
KAREN: ONE FINAL QUESTION.
00:24:42IS THIS PROGRAM THAT YOU ARE
PUTTING TOGETHER HERE ABOUT
00:24:44SAVING THE STATE MONEY OR
FIGHTING DRUG ADDICTS?
00:24:46-- FINDING DRUG ADDICTS?
REP. SCHAFFER: THAT IS TO --
00:24:53EIGHT COULD AND IN SOME STATES
IT DOES.
00:24:57THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT SIX
OR EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN I
00:25:00STARTED THIS LEGISLATION.
I HAVE LEARNT SO MUCH ABOUT THIS
00:25:04POPULATION AT HOW MUCH HELP THEY
NEED AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO
00:25:07GET THEM THAT HELP.
MY HEART BREAKS FOR THE CHILDREN
00:25:09OF THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE
SUFFERING AND NOT GETTING THE
00:25:11STATE TAXPAYER MONEY.
WE NEED TO GET THEM THE MONEY TO
00:25:13GET THESE FAMILY -- FAMILIES OUT
OF POVERTY.
00:25:17MS. BOYD: YOU HAVE NOT TALKED TO
THEM YET.
00:25:22THAT IS IN INCOMPLETE
REPRESENTATION OF THEIR
00:25:25SITUATION BECAUSE YOU NOT HAVE
-- YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH THEM
00:25:29DIRECTLY.
YOU HAVE NOT HAD A MEETING THAT
00:25:31INCLUDES THEM.
REP. SCHAFFER: WE HAVE INCLUDED
00:25:37THESE ORGANIZATIONS MANY OF
WHICH TESTIFIED IN OPPOSITION.
00:25:39THEIR TESTIMONY WAS RIFE WITH
OLD DATA AND INACCURATE
00:25:47INFORMATION.
WE WILL VERIFY WHAT THIS BILL
00:25:49DOES AND I WILL MAKE SURE THE
TRUTH GETS OUT.
00:25:51KAREN: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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