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00:00:00>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF OHIO"
00:00:03COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES OF
PORTER, WRIGHT, MORRIS AND
00:00:06ARTHUR, LLP.
HELPING BUSINESSES AND
00:00:08INDIVIDUALS SOLVE COMPLEX LEGAL
PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO, ACROSS
00:00:12THE COUNTRY, AND AROUND THE
WORLD.
00:00:14ON THE WEB AT PORTERWRIGHT.COM.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:18ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
120,000 MEMBERS WHO WORK TO
00:00:22INSPIRE THEIR STUDENTS TO THINK
CREATIVELY AND EXPERIENCE THE
00:00:25JOY OF LEARNING.
ONLINE AT OHEA.ORG.
00:00:28KAREN: A CONTROVERSIAL PROPOSAL
TO CAP DRUG PRICES PAID BY THE
00:00:32STATE GETS THE GO-AHEAD.
AND AN AMENDMENT TO OVERTURN A
00:00:40LAW THAT OVERTURNED ALL LOCAL
GUN BANS HAS THE BACKING OF GUN
00:00:41CONTROL ADVOCATES, BUT HAS BEEN
BLASTED BY PRO-GUN GROUPS.
00:00:44WE'LL HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES ON
THAT PLAN AND MORE.
00:00:50ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:51[CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY THE
NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE,
00:00:54WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS
CAPTION CONTENT AND ACCURACY.
00:00:56VISIT NCICAP.ORG]
KAREN: STATE LAWMAKERS NOW HAVE
00:01:01THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE ON A
PROPOSAL TO CAP THE PRICE OHIO
00:01:05PAYS FOR DRUGS IT BUYS FOR
MEDICAID, PRISONS, AND OTHER
00:01:08STATE-RUN PROGRAMS.
A CALIFORNIA-BASED FOUNDATION
00:01:11FORMED A GROUP CALLED OHIOANS
FOR FAIR DRUG PRICES, WHICH HAS
00:01:14PROPOSED A LAW THAT WOULD DEMAND
THAT OHIO PAY NO MORE FOR DRUGS
00:01:19THAN THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF
VETERANS AFFAIRS, WHICH IT SAYS
00:01:22PAYS AT LEAST 20% LESS THAN THE
STATE DOES.
00:01:25THE GROUP FILED PETITIONS FOR
THE OHIO DRUG PRICE RELIEF ACT
00:01:29IN DECEMBER, BUT THEY WERE MET
WITH COMPLAINTS FROM THE
00:01:31PHARMACEUTICAL RESEARCH AND
MANUFACTURERS OF AMERICA, THE
00:01:34DRUG MAKERS' CHIEF LOBBYING
GROUP.
00:01:38THE PETITION SIGNATURES WENT
THROUGH TWO REVIEWS BECAUSE OF
00:01:40THOSE COMPLAINTS, AND SECRETARY
OF STATE JON HUSTED THREW OUT
00:01:42TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SIGNATURES.
BUT ENOUGH REMAINED FOR THE DRUG
00:01:46PRICE RELIEF ACT TO BE SENT TO
LAWMAKERS.
00:01:50IF THEY DON'T ACT ON IT IN FOUR
MONTHS, THE GROUP CAN GATHER
00:01:53MORE SIGNATURES TO PUT IT BEFORE
VOTERS THIS FALL.
00:01:55THE DRUG MAKERS, WHICH SAY THE
MEASURE THREATENS CONSUMER
00:01:58ACCESS TO DRUGS, HAS SPENT $38
MILLION FIGHTING A SIMILAR
00:02:02MEASURE IN CALIFORNIA.
STATE OFFICIALS ARE LOOKING INTO
00:02:05WHAT APPEARED TO BE A DEVELOPING
WATER CRISIS IN THE NORTHEAST
00:02:09OHIO VILLAGE OF SEBRING IN
MAHONING COUNTY.
00:02:11THE WATER THERE HAS NOW TESTED
BELOW THE FEDERALLY ALLOWABLE
00:02:14LEVEL FOR LEAD, BUT THE
OPERATORS OF THE WATER SYSTEM
00:02:19DID NOT NOTIFY THE PUBLIC FOR
MONTHS THAT UNSAFE LEVELS OF
00:02:22LEAD HAD BEEN FOUND IN SOME
HOMES LAST SUMMER.
00:02:25DEMOCRATIC REP. JOHN BOCCIERI OF
NEARBY POLAND HAS NOW PROPOSED A
00:02:28BILL REQUIRING OFFICIALS TO
NOTIFY PEOPLE WITHIN 30 DAYS.
00:02:34IT IS THE FINAL WEEKEND OF
CAMPAIGNING IN NEW HAMPSHIRE FOR
00:02:37THE CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT,
INCLUDING GOV. JOHN KASICH.
00:02:39HE'S HOPING HIS GRANITE STATE
- BASED STRATEGY WILL PAY OFF
00:02:45AND GIVE HIM AT LEAST A
TOP-THREE FINISH, AFTER COMING
00:02:46IN EIGHTH IN THE IOWA CAUCUSES,
WHICH HE ALL BUT SKIPPED TO STAY
00:02:48IN THE NORTHEAST.
THE UNDERDOG CANDIDATE FOR THE
00:02:56DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION FOR U.S.
SENATE HAS BEEN TRYING TO SPARK
00:02:58MEDIA COVERAGE OF HIS CAMPAIGN
AND TO GET THE ENDORSED
00:03:00CANDIDATE IN THE RACE, FORMER
GOV. TED STRICKLAND, TO DEBATE
00:03:02HIM.
CALLS FOR DEBATES IN THAT RACE
00:03:07MADE BY SEVERAL PUNDITS HAVE
GONE UNANSWERED.
00:03:08CINCINNATI CITY COUNCILMAN PG
SITTENFELD HAS MADE GUN
00:03:10REGULATIONS THE CENTER OF HIS
CAMPAIGN, AND PUT FORWARD A
00:03:12UNIQUE IDEA - A CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT THAT WOULD OVERRIDE A
00:03:16STATE LAW FROM 2006 BANNING
LOCAL GUN BANS.
00:03:19THE OHIO SUPREME COURT UPHELD
THE SO-CALLED PRE-EMPTION LAW
00:03:22THAT OVERTURNED ALL LOCAL GUN
BANS.
00:03:25BUT SITTENFELD SAYS THIS
AMENDMENT WILL RESTORE THE
00:03:28CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION OF
"HOME RULE" AND ALLOW LOCAL
00:03:31COMMUNITIES TO DECIDE FOR
THEMSELVES, INSTEAD OF STATE
00:03:33LAWMAKERS DECIDING FOR THEM.
THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN EMBRACED
00:03:37BY GUN CONTROL ACTIVISTS WHO
FLANKED HIM AT HIS PRESS
00:03:40CONFERENCE INTRODUCING IT.
BUT GUN RIGHTS GROUPS BLASTED IT
00:03:43AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE THEY
SAY IT WOULD PREVENT THE
00:03:47EXERCISE OF A CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHT, AND THEY SAY THE ISSUE OF
00:03:53PREEMPTION IS SETTLED LAW.
BUT SITTENFELD SAYS HE PLANS TO
00:03:55PUSH THIS AMENDMENT FORWARD
REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE
00:03:57MARCH 15 PRIMARY.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS
00:03:59AMENDMENT AND OTHER ISSUES
RELATED TO GUN CONTROL AND GUN
00:04:02RIGHTS AT THE STATEHOUSE ARE TWO
EXPERTS ON THE FRONT LINES WITH
00:04:05THIS ISSUE.
GERARD VALENTINO IS A CO-FOUNDER
00:04:07OF THE BUCKEYE FIREARMS
ASSOCIATION.
00:04:10JENNIFER THORNE IS THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE OHIO COALITION
00:04:14AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE, WHICH
SUPPORTS THE AMENDMENT.
00:04:18THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
00:04:24I WANT TO START WITH YOU,
JENNIFER.
00:04:25THIS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT,
THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY IT IS A
00:04:29CAMPAIGN STUNT BY SITTENFELD AND
WE ARE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT
00:04:35HIM COME WE ARE HERE TO TALK
ABOUT THE AMENDMENT.
00:04:36BUT IF IT ACTUALLY GETS TO THE
POINT BEFORE VOTERS, YOU WILL
00:04:40FACE A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO
GETTING IT PASSED FROM AND IF
00:04:42IT DOES PASS FROM YOU WILL FACE
OPPOSITION FROM THE NATIONAL
00:04:48RIFLE ASSOCIATION AND OTHER
GROUP WHO WANT TO LITIGATE IT.
00:04:49WHY DO YOU FEEL THIS IS
SOMETHING, AFTER A SUPREME COURT
00:04:55DECISION SAYING IT IS SETTLED
LAW, THAT CAN GO FORWARD AND BE
00:04:57UPHELD?
JENNIFER: I THINK ONE OF THE
00:05:02MOST INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT
THE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS COMING
00:05:05TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THIS
PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS THAT THEY
00:05:08ARE REALLY BEING REALISTIC ABOUT
HOW MUCH HARD WORK IT'S GOING TO
00:05:10TAKE, AND ALL THE STATEMENTS
BASING TO A RECOGNIZED THAT WE
00:05:15ARE GOING TO NEED A LOT OF
SUPPORT AND A LOT OF FUNDING TO
00:05:19GET THIS DONE AND IT IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT, ONCE WE HAVE
00:05:23MOVED PAST THE INITIAL 1000
SIGNATURES, OHIO COALITION
00:05:27AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE OR ANY OF
THE OTHER PREVENTION GROUPS WILL
00:05:29BE ABLE TO DO ALONE.
IT IS GOING TO TAKE A BROADER
00:05:34COALITION OF INDIVIDUALS AND
GROUPS WORKING ON IT.
00:05:35I THINK THAT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING
AT THINGS LIKE 30,000 AMERICANS
00:05:40DYING EVERY YEAR FROM GUNS, AND
11,000 OF THOSE BEING HOMICIDES,
00:05:44AND THEN MORE PEOPLE DYING IN
OHIO FROM GUNS THAN MOTOR
00:05:50VEHICLES, THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM
WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
00:05:54AND THERE ARE COMMON SENSE
LEGISLATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT CAN
00:05:57WORK, BUT BECAUSE OF THE GUN
LOBBY'S INFLUENCE IN WASHINGTON
00:06:02AND HERE IN THE STATEHOUSE COME
WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET ANY
00:06:04PROGRESS MADE ON OVERWHELMINGLY
POPULAR THINGS LIKE BACKGROUND
00:06:07CHECKS, FOR EXAMPLE.
WHEN WE LOOK TO RESTORE
00:06:10SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE
IN OHIO BEFORE, AND IT WAS VERY
00:06:16POPULAR -- THERE WERE OVER 20
CITIES, MUNICIPALITIES, THAT HAD
00:06:22GUN SAFETY RULES IN PLACE THAT
WERE OVERTURNED BY A GUN LOBBY
00:06:24SUPPORTED PREEMPTION LAW.
WE ARE REALLY LOOKING TO RETURN
00:06:29BACK TO WHAT ONCE EXISTED IN
OHIO.
00:06:34THIS IS NOT REALLY A NEW IDEA.
THIS IS TURNING BACK TO WHAT
00:06:40WORKED WHEN WE ALLOWED OUR LOCAL
COMMUNITIES TO MAKE THEIR OWN
00:06:42DECISIONS ABOUT HOW GUNS ARE
REGULATED IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
00:06:44KAREN: GERARD, YOU SAY THIS IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL BUT THERE IS
00:06:50CLEAR SUPPORT FOR IT.
IF YOU GO BACK TO WHEN THIS LAW
00:06:53WAS LITIGATED, OVER 20 CITIES --
COLUMBUS, LISBON, CINCINNATI,
00:06:56TOLEDO -- HAD PASSED RELATION ON
GUNS.
00:06:59THIS LAW OVERTURNED THOSE.
SHOULD AND OFFICIALS HAVE THE
00:07:06RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHAT GOES ON
IN THEIR COMMUNITIES?
00:07:08WHY SHOULD STATE LAWMAKERS GET
TO DECIDE?
00:07:11GERARD: IT IS NOT SO MUCH EVEN
THAT STATE LAWMAKERS GET TO
00:07:15DECIDE.
THIS NOT AN ISSUE, WHEN WE'RE
00:07:19TALKING ABOUT THE OHIO
CONSTITUTION -- THIS IS BIGGER
00:07:22UNITED STATES CONSTITUTIONAL
ISSUE.
00:07:23WE WERE NOT ALLOW A LOCAL
AUTHORITY OR MUNICIPALITY TO SAY
00:07:28YOU HAVE NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH
RIGHT IN OUR CITY.
00:07:30WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO SAY
WE ARE GOING TO SUSPEND THE
00:07:36FOURTH AMENDMENT PROTECTION
AGAINST ON THE SEARCH AND
00:07:38SEIZURES FROM OR SAY THEY ARE
NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE FIFTH
00:07:40AMENDMENT RIGHTS IN OUR LITTLE
CITY HERE.
00:07:43FOR THE SAME REASON, WE CANNOT
LET THAT LITIGATE SECOND
00:07:48AMENDMENT RIGHTS, WHICH ARE A
PROTECTED INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.
00:07:49THE HELLER CASE OF THE U.S.
SUPREME COURT DECIDED THAT.
00:07:53THE OTHER THING THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE FORGET IS ASSAULT WEAPONS
00:07:57BANS AND THOSE LOCAL GUN LAWS
DIDN'T WORK.
00:08:01IN THE YEARS AFTER PREEMPTION,
GUN CRIME, GUN VIOLENCE FROM
00:08:07EVEN IN CITIES THAT HAVE THOSE
BANDS IN PLACE, WENT DOWN.
00:08:09YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, THE
RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS IS
00:08:15ACCEPTED AS AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.
THERE IS NO DEBATE ON THAT.
00:08:17THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED
THAT.
00:08:20YOU HAVE TANGIBLE, IDENTIFIABLE
PUBLIC GOOD TO INFRINGE ON THAT
00:08:25RIGHT AND WINDOWS LAWS WERE --
WHEN THE THOSE LAWS WERE
00:08:32OVERTURNED, GUN CRIME AND GUN
VIOLENCE WENT DOWN.
00:08:33WHAT POSSIBLE REASON OR TANGIBLE
BENEFIT IS THERE TO BRING THEM
00:08:36ALL BACK?
THERE ISN'T, THAT IS PART OF THE
00:08:39PROBLEM.
WE'RE GOING BACK TO SITUATIONS
00:08:43IN THE STATE THAT DIDN'T WORK
, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WORK NOW
00:08:47IT'S A LOT OF DAMNING A CERTAIN
TYPE OF GUN BECAUSE OF THE WAY
00:08:50LOOKS -- BANNING A CERTAIN TYPE
OF GUN BECAUSE OF THE WAY LOOKS
00:08:53OR GIVING MUNICIPALITIES THE
ABILITY TO BAN GUNS IN THEIR OWN
00:08:59WAY, IT FAILED THEN, IT WILL
FAIL NOW, IT WILL FAIL IN THE
00:09:01FUTURE.
GUN CONTROL IS A FAILED SOCIAL
00:09:02EXPERIMENT THAT ANYONE WHO LOOKS
OF THE ISSUE OBJECTIVELY CAN
00:09:07VERY CLEARLY SEE THAT.
RIGHT NOW IN AMERICA WE HAVE
00:09:09MORE GUNS ON THE STREET THAN
EVER BEFORE INDUSTRY BECAUSE ALL
00:09:1350 STATES HAVE LEGAL CONCEALED
CARRY.
00:09:14DURING THAT TIME, GUN VIOLENCE
HAS PLUMMETED.
00:09:17WE HAVE LESS MURDERS TODAY THAN
WE DID IN 1987, WHEN FLORIDA
00:09:21PASSED THEIR CONCEALED CARRY
LAW, WHICH IS WHEN IT ALL
00:09:24STARTED.
WHAT BENEFIT IS THERE TO BAN
00:09:28GUNS?
KAREN: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT
00:09:33THAT, JENNIFER, AND ALSO THAT
REACTION WAS SUPPOSED TO GET RID
00:09:35OF THIS PATCHWORK OF LEGISLATION
WHERE YOU COULD CARRY ONE CITY
00:09:39BUT NOT ANOTHER SO SOMEONE WHO
WANTED TO ABIDE BY THE LAW WAS
00:09:41CAUGHT -- YOU HAD TO BONE UP ON
LAWS TO TRAVEL IN THE CITY OF
00:09:45OHIO.
WEIGH IN ON WHAT GERARD SAID
00:09:47ABOUT CRIME GOING AND ALSO THIS
PATCHWORK EFFECT.
00:09:50HOW DO WE STAY LAWFUL IF WE
BRING BACK THESE LOCAL GUN BANS?
00:09:56JENNIFER: FIRST OF ALL, I WANT
TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF
00:10:01COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SECOND
.MENDMENT
00:10:04AND THE LANGUAGE OF THIS FROM
WHICH BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE
00:10:09CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF
OHIO, WOULD STATE, AS I
00:10:11UNDERSTAND IT THAT THE LOCAL GUN
SAFETY LAWS WOULD HAVE TO BE
00:10:17COMPATIBLE WITH THE SECOND
AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED TO
00:10:18DISCUSS DIVISION -- THE UNITED
STATES CONSTITUTION.
00:10:23IN THE HELLER DECISION, THE
COURT DID HOLD FOR THE FIRST
00:10:25TIME THAT THE INDIVIDUAL DID
HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A GUN,
00:10:29BUT THEY DID NOT EXTEND THAT
RIGHT TO HAVING IT FOR POTENTIAL
00:10:35SELF-DEFENSE, WHICH WE COULD
TALK ABOUT THE DATA SURROUNDING
00:10:37THAT, BUT WE KNOW THAT A GUN IN
YOUR HOME IS 20 TIMES MORE
00:10:40LIKELY TO BE USED IN A SUICIDE,
HOMICIDE, OR UNINTENTIONAL
00:10:43SHOOTING THAN EVER FOR
SELF-DEFENSE IT BACK TO THE
00:10:45COURT DECISION, THEIR DECISION
TO NOT -- THEY SAID THAT THERE
00:10:52ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT COMMON
SENSE GUN REGULATIONS THAT CAN
00:10:54BE UPHELD.
SO LET'S GET THAT PART STRAIGHT
00:11:02FIRST.
SECONDLY, THE IDEA THAT GUN
00:11:06CRIME AND VIOLENCE HAS GONE DOWN
SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE IS MORE
00:11:07GUNS ON THE STREET IS A FALLACY.
WE ARE NOT SEEING PEOPLE WITH
00:11:14CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE IS
SAVING THE DAY IN THESE MASS
00:11:17SHOOTINGS.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE NOT
00:11:20INTERVENING BECAUSE THEY
RECOGNIZE THAT THEIR PRESENCE
00:11:24WITH A GUN IS GOING TO MAKE THE
JOB OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT
00:11:26WOULD ORDER TO TELL WHO IS THE
GOOD GUY AND BAD GUY IN THE
00:11:29SITUATION, ALL I SEE ARE GUNS.
NOW, BACK TO THE QUESTION OF THE
00:11:33PATCHWORK.
THAT IS SERVE THE OLDEST
00:11:38ARGUMENT IN -- THAT IS SORT OF
THE OLDEST ARGUMENT IN THE BOOK
00:11:41AND I FRANKLY REJECTED BECAUSE
IT WOULD IMPACT A VERY SMALL
00:11:45PERCENTAGE OF OHIOANS.
MOST OF US DON'T FEEL LIKE IT IS
00:11:51A GOOD IDEA TO STRAP ON A GUN
AND WALK OUT THE DOOR EVERY DAY
00:11:55AND IT IS NOT INCUMBENT ON THOSE
INDIVIDUALS TO KNOW IF THEY ARE
00:11:58IN A LOCALITY THAT REGULATES,
YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY CAN AND
00:12:03CANNOT HAVE CONCEALED CARRY.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS
00:12:06JUST A POTENTIAL MODIFICATION OF
WHERE A HIDDEN GUN CAN BE
00:12:13CARRIED.
NOT IN OUR PARKS, NOT IN OUR
00:12:16DATA CENTERS, ETC.
KAREN: AND I WANT TO PIGGYBACK
00:12:22ON THAT AND ASK YOU, GERARD,
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO
00:12:24TO THE PARK CANNOT HAVE PEOPLE
WITH CONCEALED WEAPONS AROUND
00:12:27THEM.
I KNOW CERTAINLY THERE MIGHT BE
00:12:30PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE
LAW, WHICH IS THE CONCEALED
00:12:31CARRY ARGUMENT ALL ALONG, THAT
OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS, WHY
00:12:38CAN'T LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS HAVE
GUNS AS WELL?
00:12:39WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO
SAY, HEY, YOU'RE TAKING YOUR
00:12:44RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE AND YOU'RE
RIGHT TO FEEL SAFE AND PUTTING
00:12:46IT OVER MY RIGHT TO NOT -- TO BE
A PART FOR GUNS ARE NOT ALLOWED?
00:12:51GERARD: WELL, THERE'S NOT MUCH
TO SAY IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT
00:12:58BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CONSISTENT
ARGUMENT.
00:12:59THE GUN ONLY BECOMES AN ISSUE OF
SAFETY WHEN IT IS USED IN A
00:13:02CRIME OR SOME WAY ILLEGALLY.
YOU POINTED OUT, EVERY DAY YOU
00:13:09WALK PAST, YOU GET IN LINE AT
THE LOCAL STORE, HUNDREDS OF
00:13:14PEOPLE ARE CARRYING GUNS, AND
THERE IS NO PUBLIC SAFETY
00:13:17THREAT.
WE KNOW THAT, BECAUSE WHEN OHIO
00:13:20PASSED CONCEALED CARRY IN 2004,
DESPITE WITH THE ANTI-GUN SIDE
00:13:25CLAIMED -- YOU WERE INVOLVED, I
REMEMBER DISCUSSING THE ISSUE
00:13:30WITH YOU -- NONE OF THAT
HAPPENED.
00:13:32WE SAW GUN CRIME AND GUN
VIOLENCE GO DOWN.
00:13:34REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT
SOMEONE WANTS TO CLAIM THEY HAVE
00:13:38A RIGHT TO BE IN A PARK WITHOUT
SOMEONE WITH A GUN -- A, THEY
00:13:42DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT, FIRST AND
FOREMOST, BUT B, IT IS NOT A
00:13:47PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY YOU
00:13:50WILL BE IN A PARK WITH SOMEONE
WITH A GUN AND IT WILL NOT BE AN
00:13:52ISSUE.
AS FOR THE RETELLING SET OF
00:13:59TAKEN PLACE HIM IN THE INSTANCE
WHERE THERE HAS BEEN AN ON THE
00:14:00VICTIM FOUGHT BACK INTO SPREE
KILLING -- THE PEARL,
00:14:04MISSISSIPPI SCHOOL SHOOTING WAS
THE BIGGEST 1 -- THE DISTAL HAS
00:14:08NEVER BEEN HIGHER THAN 2 -- THE
DEATH TOLL HAS NEVER BEEN HIGHER
00:14:12THAN 2.
COMPARE THAT TO WHICH AN ATTACK
00:14:14ON SANDY HOOK, -- COMBAT TO
VIRGINIA TECH, SANDY HOOK, WHERE
00:14:21NO ONE HAD THE ABILITY TO FIGHT
BACK -- THERE WERE INSTANCES
00:14:25WHERE A LICENSE HOLDER HAD A GUN
AND FOUGHT BACK.
00:14:31A LADY IN COLORADO, IN ONE OF
THE CHURCH SHOOTINGS, DREW HER
00:14:33GUN AND FOUGHT BACK AND THE
DEATH TOLL WAS 2.
00:14:36WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE
OTHER CHURCH SHOOTING IN
00:14:41COLORADO TWO MONTHS LATER, THE
DEATH TOLL WAS 12.
00:14:42IT IS NOT A QUESTION OF IF YOU
CAN HELP.
00:14:46THE QUESTION IS IT WILL HELP, WE
KNOW THAT.
00:14:47THERE'S TANGIBLE, IDENTIFIABLE
PROVE IT WILL HELP.
00:14:51THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE ANTI-GUNSIGHT AND THE
00:14:55PROGRAM SIDE OF THIS
ISSUE.
00:14:56THE PRO-GUN SIDE OF THIS ISSUE
LIVES IN THE WORLD OF MAYBE,
00:15:02POSSIBLY, WE DON'T KNOW.
THE PRO-GUN SIDE LIVES IN THE
00:15:04SIDE OF HERE ARE THE CASES WHERE
THERE HAS BEEN AN ARMED VICTIM
00:15:08THAT FAR BACK, HERE ARE THE --
THAT FAR BACK, HERE ARE THE
00:15:14DEATH TOLLS.
WE KNOW THIS.
00:15:16WE KNOW THAT IN 1987, WHEN
FLORIDA PASSED THE CONCEALED
00:15:19CARRY LAW, WHEN THE CONCEALED
CARRY TRAIN STARTED MOVING IN
00:15:23THE NATION, THERE WERE 20,096
MURDERS AND NONNEGLIGENT
00:15:27MANSLAUGHTER CASES.
THAT IS ACCORDING TO THE FBI.
00:15:29IS NOT SOME PRO-GUN THINK TANK
PUTTING TOGETHER STATISTICS WHAT
00:15:35THE ANTI-GUNSIGHT LIKES TO USE.
IN 2012, THE LAST YEAR THAT THE
00:15:42STATISTICS ARE AVAILABLE FOR
2827 PIT I WANT TO MAKE
00:15:46SOMETHING CLEAR, THOUGH.
I AM NOT CLAIMING THAT MORE
00:15:49PEOPLE CARRYING GUNS CAUSE THE
CRIME TO GO DOWN.
00:15:52THAT IS NOT EVEN AN ISSUE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS AS MORE AND
00:15:57MORE PEOPLE ARE CARRYING GUNS,
CRIME GOES DOWN.
00:16:01WHETHER IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO
WITH THOSE GUNS OR NOT, WHAT
00:16:05POSSIBLE JUSTIFICATION IS THERE
TO INFRINGE ON THE INDIVIDUAL
00:16:06RIGHT?
THERE ISN'T ONE.
00:16:08KAREN: GO AHEAD, JENNIFER.
JENNIFER: I WOULD SAY THERE HAS
00:16:13NEVER BEEN ANY VALIDITY PUT TO
THE STATEMENT THAT THERE IS THE
00:16:20INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO CARRY A
CONCEALED WEAPON.
00:16:23IF WE GO BACK TO THE AMENDMENT,
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR LOCAL
00:16:28LAWS LIKE CHILD ACCESS
PREVENTION LAWS THAT WERE ALSO
00:16:33STRUCK DOWN.
BANDS ON JUNK GUNS OR SATURDAY
00:16:36NIGHT SPECIALS.
THERE ARE A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER
00:16:38THINGS THAT LOCAL COMMUNITIES NO
LONGER HAVE THE ABILITY TO
00:16:43DECIDE ABOUT, AND THEY ARE AT
THE WHIM OF A GUN LOBBY
00:16:49CONTROLLED STATEHOUSE.
SO, REALLY, IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT
00:16:57HIDDEN AND LOADED WEAPONS.
IT IS ABOUT A WHOLE HOST OF
00:17:02THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD
BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND DECIDE
00:17:03WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM.
NOW, THERE MAY BE SOME CITIES IN
00:17:07THE STATE OF OHIO THAT DON'T
WANT TO MAKE ADDITIONAL
00:17:08REGULATIONS, BUT IT WOULD BE UP
TO THEM.
00:17:11AT THIS POINT THERE IS JUST NO
ABILITY FOR PEOPLE THAT DO WANT
00:17:16TO FOLLOW THE POPULAR WILL TO DO
ANYTHING.
00:17:21KAREN: I WANT TO ASK YOU ON THIS
NOTE, LET'S TALK ABOUT OTHER
00:17:26BILLS AT THE STATEHOUSE BECAUSE
THERE ARE SEVERAL.
00:17:28GERARD AND THERE IS A BILL THAT
POTENTIAL ADVOCATES HAVE CALLED
00:17:32THE GUNS EVERYWHERE BILL,
ALLOWING GUNS IN DAY CARES,
00:17:36AIRPORTS -- PARTS OF AIRPORTS --
GERARD: PARTS OF AIRPORTS.
00:17:39KAREN: SO-CALLED VICTIM ZONES AS
TERMED BY YOUR SIDE.
00:17:44IT PASSED THE HOUSE, IN THE
SENATE NOW.
00:17:47"THE NEW YORK TIMES" WEIGHED IN
ON IT AND SAID "IF YOU THE
00:17:54FANTASIES OF PEOPLE WHO THINK
THEY HAVE THE POWER TO STOP
00:17:55CRIMINALS EVEN THOUGH IN
PRACTICE, CONCEALED CARRY
00:17:56WEAPONS INFLICT MORE HARM ON
OWNERS AND IN VICTIMS THAN
00:18:01ACTUAL CRIMINALS."
JENNIFER HINTED AT THAT.
00:18:04THAT ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
GERARD: THE POLICY IS THAT STATE
00:18:10-- THE FALLACY IS THAT
STATEMENT.
00:18:11KAREN: THAT IS NOT A TRUE
STATEMENT?
00:18:12GERARD: NOT EVEN CLOSE.
WHEN THEY PUT THE STATISTIC
00:18:19TOGETHER, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY
DID IS, I'M A DRUG DEALER, YOU
00:18:22ARE DRUG DEALER.
WE KNEW EACH OTHER, I SHOT YOU
00:18:25COULD YOU ARE A FAMILY MEMBER,
FRIEND, OR ACQUAINTANCE.
00:18:28THEY USE EVERY POSSIBLE
RIDICULOUS CONNECTION TO TIE
00:18:32THOSE ISSUES TO THE GUN.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT,
00:18:38THESE ISSUES THAT WE ARE TRYING
TO GET -- THAT THE BILL IS
00:18:40TRYING TO GET PAST NOW, 25 426
OTHER STATES CURRENTLY ALLOW
00:18:44CARRY IN THOSE PLACES.
NONE OF THOSE STATES ARE LOOKING
00:18:50TO REVEAL THAT BECAUSE LIFE
HOLDERS WENT -- LICENSE HOLDERS
00:18:54WENT IN THERE AND SHUT THE
PLACES UP.
00:18:55IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH
CARRYING IN THOSE PLACES, YOU
00:19:00BETTER BELIEVE THAT THE OTHER
STATES WOULD HAVE REPEALED THE
00:19:03IMMEDIATELY.
TO BELIEVE THAT THAT LAW WOULD
00:19:04WORK IN, SAY, TEXAS OR INDIANA
OR PENNSYLVANIA AND NOT BELIEVE
00:19:11IT WOULD WORK IN OHIO, YOU HAVE
TO MAKE A LEAP OHIOANS ARE LESS
00:19:17TRUSTWORTHY, MORE BLOODTHIRSTY,
MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT A CRIME
00:19:19AND PEOPLE IN THOSE OF THE
STATES.
00:19:20THAT IS AN ABSURD NOTION.
KAREN: LET ME ASK YOU TO WEIGH
00:19:27IN ON THE WHOLE IDEA THAT
CONCEALED CARRY WEAPON HOLDERS,
00:19:29THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WENT TO THE
PROCESS AND GOT THE PERMITS AND
00:19:31ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE LAW,
AND IF GERARD'S STATS ARE
00:19:34CORRECT THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE
LAW.
00:19:35WHY NOT ALLOW THEM TO CARRY
THESE WEAPONS IN PLACES WHERE WE
00:19:39ARE ALREADY ALLOWING THEM TO
CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS INTO
00:19:41BARS IF THEY ARE NOT DRINKING,
THIS SORT OF THING?
00:19:43JENNIFER: I THINK THE ISSUE WITH
THIS RUNS EVERYWHERE BILL, HOUSE
00:19:47BILL 48, MOVING ITS WAY THROUGH
THE OHIO SENATE CURRENTLY, IS
00:19:52THAT IT WOULD FURTHER NORMALIZE
THE PRESENCE OF DEADLY WEAPONS
00:19:55IN OUR PUBLIC SPACES AND PLACES
LIKE DAY CARE CENTERS, WHERE IT
00:19:57SHOULD NEVER BE A QUESTION AS TO
WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE GUNS
00:19:59ALLOWED THEIR.
IT IS RIDICULOUS.
00:20:02AND THE OTHER PART ABOUT ALL OF
THIS IS THAT IT CERTAINLY -- THE
00:20:09FOLKS THAT DO OFTEN APPLIED TO
HAVE A LICENSE SO THEY CAN CARRY
00:20:18A HIT IN A LOADED WEAPON IN
PUBLIC SPACES, YOU KNOW, THEY
00:20:22ARE PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR
SAFETY, BUT EVERYONE IS A GOOD
00:20:27GUY UNTIL THEY ARE NOT A GOOD
GUIDE.
00:20:28I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE'S
REALITY IS IN BLACK AND WHITE.
00:20:36WE ALL CAN GO THROUGH DIFFERENT
SITUATIONS.
00:20:39WE MIGHT LOSE OUR TEMPER, WE
MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MUCH TO
00:20:43DRINK.
THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO
00:20:48STRUGGLE WITH ADDICTION ISSUES.
WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE
00:20:51THINGS, PARTICULARLY JUST LOSING
ONE'S TEMPER, THOSE ARE THE
00:20:55TIMES WHERE WE BECOME VIOLENT.
IF THERE IS A GUN AT THE READY,
00:20:59THAT IS REALLY THE ISSUE.
SECONDLY, JUST NORMALIZING THE
00:21:05IDEA THAT IT -- WE ARE SORT OF
GIVING UP AND SAYING WE ARE
00:21:08GOING TO NEED TO FACE THE WORLD
ARMED AND READY TO KILL SOMEONE
00:21:15AND A MOMENTS NOTICE, THAT IS
SOMETHING I REJECT AND HE IS NOT
00:21:18SOMETHING I THINK MOST OF
OHIOANS WANT FOR THEIR KIDS.
00:21:20KAREN: FINALLY, I WANT TO ASK
YOU BOTH ABOUT A BILL JUST
00:21:26INTRODUCED AN HOUSE, AN IDEA
THAT HAS COME BACK AGAIN, THE
00:21:29IDEA OF A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT
HOLDER NOT NEEDING TO GET A
00:21:32PERMIT TO CARRY A CONCEALED
WEAPON.
00:21:33LET ME ASK YOU, GERARD WITH THE
IDEA OF NOT DOING ANY TRAINING,
00:21:36JUST GETTING THE WEAPON?
GERARD: GO BACK TO THE OTHER
00:21:42STATES THAT ALLOW IT.
ALASKA --
00:21:44KAREN: BUT DOES THAT MAKE IT A
GOOD IDEA?
00:21:48GERARD: THERE HAVE A PROBLEM
WITH IT THERE.
00:21:51ALASKA, REMIND HIM OF STATES
CALLED CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY,
00:21:56THEY ARE NOT RUNNING TO REPEAL
THOSE HILLS COULD IF THEY WERE A
00:22:01HUGE PROBLEM IN THOSE STATES,
LEGISLATORS WERE TO JUMP ON IT
00:22:04AND ENACT LAWS TO FIX IT.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THOSE
00:22:08PLACES -- THE STATES ALLOW
CARRYING IN PLACES LIKE DAY
00:22:12CARE.
TO ME THAT IS THE FIRST PLACE I
00:22:15WANT TO CARRY.
IF I AM CARRYING A CONCEALED
00:22:17HANDGUN AND WHY MY ELECTRIC USE
IT TO PROTECT MYSELF PEOPLE IN
00:22:22THAT ELECT TO USE IT TO PROTECT
MYSELF AND PEOPLE IN A BANK, IN
00:22:24KROGER, IN A PIZZA PLACE, BUT
NOT ALLOWED TO PROTECT CHILDREN
00:22:30WITH IT?
THAT IS AS ABSURD AS IT
00:22:33COULD BE.
KAREN: YOU CANNOT CARRY IN THE
00:22:37STATE HOUSE WHERE WE ARE NOW.
GERARD: EXACTLY, THAT IS A WHOLE
00:22:40OTHER ISSUE.
SHE WAS TALKING THAT LAST TIME
00:22:42THROUGH, SHE SAID "MIGHT" OR "
MAYBE" 11 TIMES.
00:22:47WHAT WE CAN SAY IS THESE OTHER
STATES HAVE THESE LAWS AND THEY
00:22:52ARE NOT A PROBLEM, THEY WORK.
TANGIBLE, IDENTIFIABLE EVIDENCE
00:22:55TO SAY THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON,
THIS IS HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS,
00:22:59THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY "MIGHT,"
00:23:02"MAYBE," "WE THINK."
WE KNOW.
00:23:10TO SAY IT WOULDN'T WORK IN OHIO,
YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE WE ARE MORE
00:23:17BLOODTHIRSTY AND LESS LIKELY TO
FOLLOW THE LAW, WE ARE LESS
00:23:20LIKELY TO DO THE RIGHT THING
THAN PEOPLE IN THOSE OTHER
00:23:21STATES.
IT IS NOT AND MAY BE SITUATION.
00:23:23EITHER/OR, THE ONLY CHOICE.
KAREN: JENNIFER, I WILL GIVE YOU
00:23:29THE LAST WORD.
JENNIFER: WE CONNECTED THE
00:23:33STRENGTH OF GUN LAWS ACROSS
VARIOUS STATES AND -- WE CAN
00:23:36LOOK AT THE STRENGTH OF GUN LAWS
ACROSS THE VARIOUS STATES AND
00:23:38STATES WITH STARTER GUN LAWS
HAVE LOWER RATES OF GUN
00:23:43VIOLENCE.
IN THE STATE OF OHIO, WE'RE
00:23:45TALKING ABOUT INCREASED TRAINING
FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
00:23:46TO PROPOSE A BILL THAT WOULD
BASICALLY GIVE ANY CIVILIAN THE
00:23:53ABILITY TO PICK UP AND WALKED
OUT THEIR DOORS STRAPPED WITH A
00:23:57HIDDEN AND LOADED WEAPON --
KAREN: WITH A BACKGROUND CHECK,
00:24:03THOUGH, RIGHT?
JENNIFER: ASSUMING THEY
00:24:07PURCHASED THE GUN THROUGH A
METHOD THAT REQUIRES A
00:24:10BACKGROUND CHECK.
WE KNOW A LOT OF GUYS ARE SOLD
00:24:13WITHOUT BACKGROUND CHECKS.
THAT IS A WHOLE OTHER THING.
00:24:15WE HAVE THIS EXECUTIVE ACTION
WHICH SHOULD HELP NARROW THINGS
00:24:22LIKE THE GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE, BUT
WE STILL NEED A LAW BOTH
00:24:27FEDERALLY AND IN THE STATE OF
OHIO THAT REALLY EXPANDS
00:24:30BACKGROUND CHECKS TO ALL GUNS
SALES.
00:24:31SO NO PERMIT CONCEALED CARRY
IDEA IS A HORRIBLE IDEA, AND I
00:24:37THINK THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF
OHIOANS THINK IT IS A RECKLESS
00:24:46BILL THAT IS BEING PUT FORTH FOR
POLITICAL PURPOSES TO SATISFY
00:24:49THE GUN LOBBY.
KAREN: EVEN THOUGH IT HAS COME
00:24:52OPENING TO GERARD'S STATS,
WORKED IN OTHER STATES?
00:24:55JENNIFER: I THINK THERE ARE LOTS
OF FOLKS IN THOSE STATES THAT
00:25:01WOULD ARGUE THAT THERE IS NOT
MOMENTUM TO CHANGE THEM, BUT
00:25:05WHAT I CAN TALK ABOUT IS THE
STATE OF OHIO AND WHAT FOLKS
00:25:09YOUR WANT HIM AND IT IS NOT
ANYONE BEING ABLE TO CARRY A GUN
00:25:16LITERALLY ANYWHERE WITH NO
TRAINING.
00:25:17KAREN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A
CIVIL DISCUSSION ABOUT GUN LAWS
00:25:21IN OHIO.
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