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00:00:01>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF
00:00:04OHIO" COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES
OF PORTER WRIGHT MORRIS, AND
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00:00:12LEGAL PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO,
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND AROUND
00:00:15THE WORLD.
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00:00:18AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION -- REPRESENTING
00:00:23131,000 TEACHERS, SUPPORT
PROFESSIONALS AND HIGHER
00:00:26EDUCATION FACULTY WHO ARE
WORKING FOR GREAT PUBLIC
00:00:28SCHOOLS FOR EVERY CHILD.
ONLINE AT OHEA.ORG.
00:00:29ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR "THE
STATE OF OHIO" IS MADE POSSIBLE
00:00:33BY ETECH OHIO.
AND THE LUBRIZOL FOUNDATION.
00:00:35>> DEMOCRATS TRYING TO STOP
OHIO'S NEW CONGRESSIONAL MAPS
00:00:40HIT A ROADBLOCK.
THE BATTLE OVER ISSUE 2 TURNS
00:00:44VERY NASTY, AS BOTH SIDES
ACCUSE EACH OTHER OF ALL SORTS
00:00:46OF CRIMES IN TV ADS.
EARLY VOTING IS UNDERWAY --
00:00:53WE'LL SEE HOW IT'S WORKING IN
TWO VERY DIFFERENT COUNTIES.
00:00:55AND A FORMER GOVERNOR ANSWERS
THE QUESTION -- DOES HE WANT
00:00:58THAT JOB AGAIN SOMEDAY?
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:01:01OHIO."
>> DEMOCRATS ARE STILL TRYING
00:01:06TO STOP OHIO'S NEW REPUBLICAN-
APPROVED CONGRESSIONAL MAP, BUT
00:01:09THIS WEEK SECRETARY OF STATE
JON HUSTED REJECTED MORE THAN A
00:01:12THOUSAND SIGNATURES TRYING TO
PUT A REPEAL OF THE NEW MAPS ON
00:01:15NEXT YEAR'S BALLOT.
HUSTED SAYS THE REDISTRICTING
00:01:18LEGISLATION LAYING OUT THE NEW
U.S. HOUSE DISTRICTS CONTAINED
00:01:22AN APPROPRIATION AND TOOK
EFFECT IMMEDIATELY, SO IT ISN'T
00:01:24SUBJECT TO REFERENDUM.
DEMOCRATS HAVE YET TO RECEIVE A
00:01:29RULING FROM THE OHIO SUPREME
COURT ON THE ISSUE.
00:01:31THEIR SUIT ARGUES THE MANEUVER
BY REPUBLICANS TO ADD THE
00:01:35SPENDING COMPONENT TO THE BILL
SHOULDN'T BLOCK IT FROM A
00:01:38BALLOT CHALLENGE.
THE HIGH COURT HAS PUT THE
00:01:42LAWSUIT ON THE FAST TRACK, AND
PAPERWORK WAS FILED THIS WEEK.
00:01:44THE DEADLINE FOR CANDIDATES TO
FILE FOR THE PRIMARY NEXT YEAR
00:01:48IS DECEMBER 7.
THE AD WAR OVER ISSUE 2 IS
00:01:53HEATING UP -- BUT THIS WEEK THE
ADS ACTUALLY WERE THE SUBJECT
00:01:56BOTH SIDES WERE FIGHTING ABOUT.
THE PRO-ISSUE 2 GROUP BUILDING
00:01:58A BETTER OHIO RELEASED AN AD
FEATURING MARLENE QUINN OF
00:02:02CINCINNATI THANKING
FIREFIGHTERS FOR SAVING HER
00:02:04GREAT-GRANDDAUGHTER.
THE SAME FOOTAGE OF QUINN WAS
00:02:10FEATURING IN AN EARLIER AD FOR
THE ANTI-ISSUE 2 GROUP WE ARE
00:02:12OHIO -- WHICH ALSO SHOWED QUINN
ASKING VOTERS TO REJECT SENATE
00:02:16BILL 5.
WE ARE OHIO BLASTED BUILDING A
00:02:22BETTER OHIO FOR USING THE SAME
FOOTAGE WITHOUT THE REQUEST TO
00:02:25VOTE "NO."
BUT THEN BUILDING A BETTER OHIO
00:02:29ACCUSED A FIREFIGHTER FROM A
PREVIOUS WE ARE OHIO AD OF
00:02:32LYING TO NEWS MEDIA ABOUT HIS
HEALTH BENEFIT COSTS.
00:02:33WE'LL HAVE MORE ON ISSUE 2
COMING UP.
00:02:36OHIOANS HAVE BEEN VOTING FOR
MORE THAN A WEEK NOW.
00:02:41THE START OF EARLY VOTING HAD
BEEN UP IN THE AIR BECAUSE OF
00:02:45THE ATTEMPT TO STOP A NEW
ELECTION REFORM LAW THAT WOULD
00:02:47HAVE SHORTENED THE EARLY VOTING
PERIOD AND MOVED THE START TO
00:02:51MID-OCTOBER.
OPPONENTS OF THE ELECTION
00:02:54REFORM LAW FILED PETITIONS TO
PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, AND WHILE
00:02:56THOSE SIGNATURES HAVEN'T BEEN
VALIDATED, THE DECISION WAS
00:03:00MADE TO GO AHEAD WITH EARLY
VOTING ON OCTOBER 4.
00:03:02ONE OF THE REASONS GIVEN FOR THE
ELECTIONS REFORM LAW, WHICH
00:03:07INCLUDED SOME 180 CHANGES TO
LAWS RELATING TO VOTING IN
00:03:10OHIO, WAS THAT THE STATE NEEDED
TO BRING MORE UNIFORMITY TO
00:03:15ELECTIONS ACROSS THE STATE.
BUT WITH 88 DIFFERENT COUNTIES
00:03:19-- SOME RURAL, SOME URBAN, AND
MANY SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN --
00:03:21THAT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE.
THIS WEEK, A LOOK AT HOW TWO
00:03:23COUNTIES ARE DOING EARLY VOTING.
THE FAYETTE COUNTY BOARD OF
00:03:27ELECTIONS IS ABOUT 45 MINUTES
SOUTHWEST OF THE STATEHOUSE, IN
00:03:33WASHINGTON COURT HOUSE.
WITH JUST 16,000 REGISTERED
00:03:36VOTERS, FAYETTE COUNTY ONE OF
THE STATE'S SMALLER, MORE RURAL
00:03:40POPULATIONS.
SO FAR AS OF THIS WEEK, ABOUT
00:03:44250 PEOPLE HAVE EITHER
REQUESTED ABSENTEE BALLOTS BY
00:03:46MAIL OR VOTED IN PERSON.
-- ABSENTEE AND PERSON.
00:03:53THE BOARD IS LOCATED ON THE
FOURTH FLOOR OF A COUNTY
00:03:56BUILDING, AND HAS A TABLE FOR
VOTERS TO FILL OUT THEIR
00:03:58APPLICATIONS BEFORE HEADING TO
THE ROOM SET UP FOR VOTING --
00:04:01WHERE THERE ARE JUST A HANDFUL
OF STATIONS.
00:04:03THE FAYETTE COUNTY BOARD OF
ELECTIONS HAS A STAFF OF FOUR
00:04:06-- WHICH SWELLS TO SIX FOR
EARLY VOTING.
00:04:08BETH ANN SNYDER IS THE DEPUTY
DIRECTOR AT THE FAYETTE COUNTY
00:04:12BOARD OF ELECTIONS, AND SHE
SAYS EARLY VOTING HAS BEEN GOOD
00:04:14FOR VOTERS.
>> IN FAYETTE COUNTY, IT HAS.
00:04:21PEOPLE HAVE 35 DAYS RIGHT NOW TO
COME IN AND VOTE.
00:04:27AND IT SEEMS TO WORK VERY WELL.
>> BUT YOU STILL GET PEOPLE
00:04:32COMING AND ELECTION DAY.
>> YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL
00:04:34NEVER VOTE EARLY.
THEY LIKE TO HAVE THE
00:04:37CAMARADERIE OUT TO THE PRECINCT
AND SEE ALL OF THEIR NEIGHBORS
00:04:42THAT ARE WORKING THERE.
>> MEANWHILE, IN COLUMBUS, IT'S
00:04:44A SIMILAR SCENE AT THE FRANKLIN
COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS --
00:04:46WITH SOME KEY DIFFERENCES.
THERE ARE 750, 000 REGISTERED
00:04:49VOTERS IN FRANKLIN COUNTY, AND
SO FAR 32,000 PEOPLE HAVE
00:04:51REQUESTED BALLOTS BY MAIL, AND
1100 PEOPLE HAVE VOTED IN
00:04:55PERSON.
THE BOARD OCCUPIES AN ENTIRE
00:04:59BUILDING -- THE OLD VETERANS
MEMORIAL ON BROAD STREET, WHICH
00:05:03USED TO BE COSI, THE CENTER OF
SCIENCE AND INDUSTRY.
00:05:05THERE ARE 30 VOTING MACHINES IN
THIS HUGE ROOM, AND THERE'S A
00:05:09TENT OUTSIDE
IN CASE AN OVERFLOW CROWD SHOWS
00:05:12UP AND LINES START FORMING.
IN FACT, THE FRANKLIN COUNTY
00:05:17BOARD OF ELECTIONS ESTIMATES IT
COULD BE THE STATE'S LARGEST
00:05:21BOARD OF ELECTIONS, TAKING OVER
FROM CUYAHOGA COUNTY NEXT YEAR.
00:05:23DEPUTY DIRECTOR NATHAN BURD SAYS
EARLY VOTING IS WORKING HERE
00:05:27TOO.
>> IT IS GOOD FOR US TO BE ABLE
00:05:31TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN AT
THEIR CONVENIENCE IN PERSON.
00:05:34VOTING BY MAIL, OF COURSE, IS
THE MOST CONVENIENT ACTION.
00:05:38YOU CAN GET YOUR BALLOT AND TAKE
AS MUCH TIME YOU NEED BEFORE
00:05:41ELECTION DAY TO VOTE.
IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.
00:05:45WE HAVE A COUNTY WITH 750,000
REGISTERED VOTERS IT PLAYS A BIG
00:05:50ROLE REDUCING THE LINES.
REMEMBER AND TO THOUSAND FOUR
00:05:54WAITING FOR SEVERAL HOURS.
I WAITED AT THREE AND A HALF AND
00:05:57MY LOCATION AND IN 2008, SEVEN
MINUTES.
00:06:00THE REASON IS BECAUSE SO MANY
INTO THOUSAND EIGHT ALREADY
00:06:04VOTING BY MAIL OR IN PERSON.
GOOD FOR ELECTION ADMINISTRATION
00:06:08ON OUR END AND FOR VOTERS TO
HAVE MOBILE AVENUES.
00:06:10>> BUT THE IDEA OF UNIFORMITY IS
A TOUGH ONE FOR THESE ELECTIONS
00:06:13WORKERS.
IN FAYETTE COUNTY, SNYDER SAYS
00:06:15SOME THINGS MAKE SENSE.
>> THE RULES ARE -- ARE THE SAME
00:06:22FOR ALL OF US.
BUT WE ARE A SMALLER COUNTY AND
00:06:25THE HOURS THAT WE ARE OPEN RIGHT
NOW SERVICE OUR COMMUNITY.
00:06:29AND IF WE WERE FINDING THAT
THERE WERE LINES WHEN PEOPLE
00:06:34WANTED TO VOTE, WE WOULD TRY TO
EXTEND THOSE.
00:06:36AND WE HAVE THE DURING
PRESIDENTIALS.
00:06:41AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN OUR
OFFICE RIGHT HERE.
00:06:44SOME COUNTIES ARE BIGGER.
THEY NEED TO HAVE OFFSITE
00:06:46VOTING.
SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE A FEW
00:06:50DIFFERENCES BUT WE ALL FOLLOW
THE SAME RULES.
00:06:53>> JAMIE BROOKS IS THE DIRECTOR
OF THE FAYETTE COUNTY BOARD OF
00:06:56ELECTIONS.
>> I THINK THERE ARE SOME
00:06:59DIFFERENCES AND SMALL -- IN
SMALLER AND LARGER COUNTIES.
00:07:03DIFFERENT NEEDS.
WE CAN SEE THOSE AND WE WOULD
00:07:05LIKE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO
DO WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE VOTER.
00:07:08OUR MAIN INTEREST IS THE VOTER
AND OUR COMMUNITY.
00:07:11WE WANT TO SERVICE OUR COMMUNITY
AND PEOPLE.
00:07:14>> IN FRANKLIN COUNTY, BURD
SAYS HE THINKS UNIFORMITY CAN
00:07:16WORK FOR SOME THINGS, BUT NOT
FOR OTHERS.
00:07:17>> WE DON'T HAVE UNIFORMITY IN
THE TYPE OF VOTER REGISTRATION
00:07:23COMPUTER SYSTEM.
WE DON'T HAVE UNIFORMITY AND
00:07:25SEVERAL OTHER AREAS.
BUT IN TERMS OF HOURS THE
00:07:30PEOPLE CAN CAST A BALLOT AND
GETTING ACCESSIBILITY TO VOTING,
00:07:32I THINK THERE IS A GOOD ARGUMENT
TO MAKE IT IS PROBABLY BEST FOR
00:07:35IT TO BE UNIFORM.
SOME COUNTIES, THE LEGISLATIVE
00:07:39DISTRICTS OVERLAP.
SO, IF YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN
00:07:42LINCOLN COUNTY WHO CAN'T VOTE
EXTENDED HOURS AND WEEKNIGHTS
00:07:45BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE SAME
DISTRICT IN FRANKLIN CAN, THERE
00:07:48IS A JUSTIFIABLE CONCERN IT MAY
BE UNFAIR.
00:07:51THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF
ELECTION ADMINISTRATION THAT IS
00:07:54DIFFICULT TO GET UNIFORMITY ON
BECAUSE COUNTIES ARE SO
00:07:57DIFFERENT.
>> AND NEXT YEAR, THE
00:07:59DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE COUNTIES
ARE LIKELY TO BE EVEN MORE
00:08:01STARK, AS THEY HANDLE THOUSANDS
OF EARLY VOTERS WHO FEAR LONG
00:08:03LINES ON ELECTION DAY.
IN COLUMBUS, VOTERS WILL BE AT
00:08:05A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
>> NEXT YEAR FOR THE
00:08:11PRESIDENTIAL WE CANNOT DO EARLY
VOTING -- WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE
00:08:1760,000 70,001 TO VOTE EARLY IN
2012 SO WE WILL HAVE TO FIND
00:08:19ANOTHER SITE.
WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE OPEN
00:08:23AND ONE OFF SITE LOCATION OF
ALL.
00:08:24>> AND IN WASHINGTON COURT
HOUSE, BROOKS SAYS THE BOARD OF
00:08:27ELECTIONS WILL HAVE MOVED INTO A
NEW BUILDING, WITH AN OFFICE ON
00:08:29THE FIRST FLOOR INSTEAD OF THE
FOURTH.
00:08:30BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THINGS
WON'T BE BUSY.
00:08:32>> SOME PEOPLE THINK THE
PRESIDENTIAL IS THE ONLY
00:08:38ELECTION.
UNFORTUNATELY -- WE WANT TO SEE
00:08:39PEOPLE INVOLVED ALL THE TIME
WITH THE ELECTIONS.
00:08:41BUT WE REALLY GEAR ROUTE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF
00:08:46RECEPTIONISTS THAT ROUTE PEOPLE
ON THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
00:08:48WE HAVE A STAFF.
WE HAVE A SMALL BOARD THAT IS
00:08:51WONDERFUL.
THEY COME IN AND WILL HELP US
00:08:53OPEN THE ENVELOPES, RUN BALANCE
ONCE WE ALLOW TO DO THAT -- WE
00:09:00DO NOT HOLD IT UNTIL ELECTION
DAY BUT THERE IS A LOT OF EARLY
00:09:02WORK AND WE HAVE TO GET A LOT
MORE HELP IN HERE TO MAKE IT
00:09:05HAPPEN.
>> THE ELECTIONS OFFICIALS IN
00:09:06BOTH COUNTIES AGREE THAT THIS
YEAR IS A VERY UNUSUAL ONE --
00:09:09ESPECIALLY FOR AN OFF YEAR.
>> FRANKLY, THIS YEAR IS UNLIKE
00:09:14ANY OTHER BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ALL
THE CONFUSION ABOUT 194 AND
00:09:19WHETHER IT IS IN A FACTOR NOT.
WE'VE GOT REDISTRICTING.
00:09:21THE NEW CONGRESSIONAL MAPS AND
STATE LEGISLATIVE MAPS.
00:09:25WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO
BETWEEN NOW AND THE PRIMARY.
00:09:27BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE NOW A MAY
PRIMARY IT IS BACK TO MARCH AND
00:09:32YOU HAVE TO FILE BY DECEMBER 7.
ONLY A MONTH WE HAVE IT
00:09:39PROCESSED ON AN PETITIONS READY
FOR CANDIDATES TO CIRCULATE.
00:09:42IT IS MERGING TOGETHER -- I WILL
BE HONEST, IT IS CONFUSING AND A
00:09:46LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HAVING TROUBLE
KEEPING UP WITH THE WE ARE DOING
00:09:48THE BEST WE CAN AND WE WILL BE
ABLE TO MANAGE.
00:09:51>> BUT BETH ANN SNYDER SAYS
IT'S A REMINDER THAT ELECTION
00:09:53YEARS THAT DON'T INCLUDE BIG
CANDIDATE RACES ARE STILL VERY
00:09:55IMPORTANT.
>> WE REALLY WANT TO STRESS THE
00:10:00FACT THAT IN THESE ELECTIONS,
THESE ODD YEARS, ARE IMPORTANT
00:10:04TO YOU.
THESE ARE YOUR TOWNSHIP
00:10:07TRUSTEES, SCHOOL BOARDS.
THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PUT
00:10:09ISSUES ON THE BALLOTS THAT
AFFECT YOU.
00:10:11THAT IS HOW YOU GET YOUR SCHOOL
ISSUES, FIRE LEVIES, EVEN IN THE
00:10:16SMALL VILLAGES.
THESE ACTUALLY AFFECT YOUR
00:10:20POCKETS OF LOT MORE THAN I THINK
EVEN THE PRESIDENTIAL DOES.
00:10:22GET OUT AND VOTE.
>> THE NEW ELECTIONS REFORM LAW
00:10:26BANNED COUNTIES FROM SENDING
OUT UNREQUESTED ABSENTEE BALLOTS
00:10:28TO ALL REGISTERED VOTERS.
WHILE THE LAW IS ON HOLD, THE
00:10:32SECRETARY OF STATE PUT OUT A
DIRECTIVE TELLING COUNTIES THEY
00:10:35COULDN'T DO THAT, WHICH UPSET
ELECTIONS OFFICIALS IN URBAN
00:10:38COUNTIES -- SPECIFICALLY IN
CUYAHOGA COUNTY.
00:10:39COUNTY OFFICIALS HAD SAID THEY
SENT OUT THE BALLOTS TO TRY TO
00:10:46AVOID LONG LINES ON ELECTION
DAY, BUT RURAL COUNTIES WEREN'T
00:10:48SENDING OUT THOSE BALLOTS --
AND IT'S BEEN NOTED THAT URBAN
00:10:52COUNTIES VOTE DEMOCRATIC WHILE
RURAL COUNTIES TEND TO BE MORE
00:10:55REPUBLICAN.
THERE'S NOW AN AGREEMENT THAT
00:10:58ALLOWS CUYAHOGA COUNTY TO SEND
OUT THOSE BALLOTS NEXT YEAR
00:11:00DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL VOTE.
THE FRANKLIN COUNTY BOARD OF
00:11:03ELECTIONS WOULD NOT HAVE SENT
OUT UNREQUESTED ABSENTEE BALLOTS
00:11:05DURING THIS OFF YEAR, BUT HAS
IN OTHER BIG VOTING YEARS --
00:11:08AGAIN, WITH THE REASONING THAT
IT COULD LOWER THE POSSIBILITY
00:11:10OF LONG LINES.
THE FAYETTE COUNTY BOARD OF
00:11:16ELECTIONS HAS NEVER SENT OUT
MASS BATCHES OF UNREQUESTED
00:11:18ABSENTEE BALLOTS -- SNYDER AND
BROOKS SAY THEY TYPICALLY WOULD
00:11:21THEM ONLY SEND TO PREVIOUS
ABSENTEE VOTERS OR TO FOLKS WHO
00:11:24WERE KNOWN TO BE ILL.
THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION OVER
00:11:30THE YEARS ABOUT THE ROLE
ENDORSEMENTS PLAY IN POLITICAL
00:11:33CAMPAIGNS.
BUT IT'S ALMOST EASY TO PREDICT
00:11:35WHICH GROUPS MIGHT FEEL ABOUT
EACH OF THE THREE STATEWIDE
00:11:38ISSUES, SINCE REPUBLICANS HAVE
BEEN COMING OUT IN FAVOR OF ALL
00:11:42THREE, AND THE STATE DEMOCRATIC
EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE HAS VOTED TO
00:11:44CALL FOR A NO VOTE ON EACH OF
THEM.
00:11:45BUT SOME MIGHT BE SURPRISED AS
TO WHERE THE ORGANIZATION
00:11:51REPRESENTING THE STATE'S COUNTY
PROSECUTORS MIGHT FALL ON THE
00:11:55ISSUE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THEM --
ISSUE 1, WHICH WOULD RAISE THE
00:11:57MANDATORY RETIREMENT AGE FOR
JUDGES FROM 70 TO 75.
00:11:59THE OHIO PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION HAS COME OUT
00:12:05AGAINST ISSUE 1, AND EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR JOHN MURPHY IS HERE TO
00:12:07EXPLAIN WHY.
LET ME START WITH WHY YOU OPPOSE
00:12:15THE MANDATORY RETIREMENT AGE
BEING RAISED.
00:12:17WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT?
>> WE LIKE THE AGE WHERE IT IS.
00:12:21WE THINK IT SERVED US WELL.
AND IT HAS GENERALLY IMPROVE THE
00:12:27QUALITY OF JUDICIARY SINCE 1968
WHEN THE PEOPLE ADOPTED IT.
00:12:30AND, FRANKLY, WE DON'T SEE A
REASON TO CHANGE IT.
00:12:35PROPONENTS ARGUE LIFE EXPECTANCY
HAS GONE UP.
00:12:37OK, FINE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY
00:12:42ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF MENTAL
ACUITY.
00:12:45THEY HAVE NOT SHOWN THAT THAT
HAS GONE UP.
00:12:48SOME LIFE EXPECTANCY
IMPROVEMENT, YES, BUT YOU REALLY
00:12:52HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THE MENTAL
ISSUES.
00:12:54>> WHEN YOU GO TO AN ARBITRARY
NUMBER, STAY AT 70 OR EVEN 75,
00:13:00DOESN'T THAT BY DEFINITION
ELIMINATE SOME QUALIFIED JURIST
00:13:03WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO SERVE EVEN
LONGER?
00:13:05>> NO DOUBT.
IT IS THE PROBLEM WITH ANY
00:13:08ARBITRARY LIMIT ON ANYTHING.
YOU WILL CUT OUT SOME PEOPLE WHO
00:13:11ARE PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF
SERVING VERY WELL.
00:13:14AND THAT IS A PROBLEM.
IT IS REGRETTABLE BUT WE THINK
00:13:20THEY CONVINCED OF THE ISSUE IS
ON THE OTHER SIDE -- WEIGHT OF
00:13:28THE ISSUE IS ONE OF THE SITE.
THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE.
00:13:31YOU CANNOT OVER THE BENCH AFTER
69 -- YOU ARE STARTING SOMEBODY
00:13:36STARTING ON A SIX-YEAR TERM OF
OFFICE WHERE IT IS VERY
00:13:40DIFFICULT THAT HE DOES RUN INTO
DIFFICULTY TO REMOVE HIM.
00:13:45AND YOU ARE EXPECTING HIM TO BE
ALERT AND GOOD AND HAVE
00:13:49SUFFICIENT ENERGY TO FILL OUT
HIS TERM UP UNTIL 82.
00:13:52THAT IS A BIG INCREASE.
CURRENTLY THE MAXIMUM IS 75.
00:13:57WE THINK GOING UP TO 82 JUST
INCREASES THE RISK
00:14:01SUBSTANTIALLY.
SHOULD NOT DO THAT.
00:14:03>> WE ALLOW OUR SUPREME COURT
JUSTICES GO THAT FAR AND FEDERAL
00:14:07COURT JUSTICES GO THAT FAR AND
RETIRE WHEN THEY'RE READY.
00:14:10>> AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE
PROBLEMS WITH THAT OF THE JUDGES
00:14:12AS WELL.
THE CITIZENS OF THIS STATE,
00:14:15HOWEVER, DECIDED WAY BACK IN
1968 WE WILL HAVE AN ARBITRARY
00:14:19LIMIT.
THAT IS REALLY NOT PART OF THE
00:14:21DEBATE THERE.
THE ONLY DEBATE NOW IS WHERE IT
00:14:23IS GOING TO BE.
>> VOTERS WILL GET TO DECIDE
00:14:27THIS AS A STATE ISSUE, ONE, BUT
TO AN VOTERS GET TO DECIDE WHO
00:14:31IS ON THE BENCH ANY WAY INSTEAD
OF A ONE SIZE FITS ALL AMENDMENT
00:14:34THAT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO GO TO
75 OR STAY AT 70.
00:14:38ISSUE VOTERS BE ABLE TO MAKE THE
CHOICE?
00:14:41>> IF THE VOTERS KNEW WHO THEY
WERE VOTING FOR, YOU WOULD HAVE
00:14:45A MUCH STRONGER ARGUMENT TO HAVE
NO LIMIT BECAUSE THE VOTERS
00:14:49WOULD KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND KNOW
THEIR CONDITION AND ALL THAT.
00:14:51THE PROBLEM IS, IN OHIO, IT IS
WELL KNOWN, MOST VOTERS DON'T
00:14:55KNOW WHO THEY ARE VOTING FOR
FOR JUDGE.
00:14:58THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
>> A LOT OF PROSECUTORS, I CAN'T
00:15:02IMAGINE, SOME DAY MIGHT SEE
THEMSELVES AS JUDGES.
00:15:07DOESN'T KEEPING THIS AT 70
POTENTIALLY AFFECT THE
00:15:12RESTORATIONS OF SOME OF YOUR
MEMBERSHIP?
00:15:15>> SOME.
THEY REALIZE THAT THE STILL
00:15:17DON'T LIKE IT.
>> WE HEARD FROM MATT HUFFMAN,
00:15:19ONE OF THE SPONSORS OF THE
AMENDMENT.
00:15:22YOU HAVE SOME JUDGES AND A 70'S
WHO THEIR BEST YEARS MIGHT BE
00:15:26AHEAD OF THEM.
AND YOU ARE STILL CONCERNED THAT
00:15:29THERE ARE OTHERS THAT AREN'T.
>> YOU GOT TO -- YOU KNOW, IT IS
00:15:33SORT OF PLAYING THE ODDS TO
REDUCE IT TO THE BARE MINIMUM.
00:15:36THERE ARE SOME, NO DOUBT, WHO
ARE QUITE CAPABLE AT 80.
00:15:40BUT WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE
ODDS ARE THE OTHER WAY, THAT YOU
00:15:44ARE TAKING A RISK THAT MORE THAN
NOT WILL EXPERIENCE DIFFICULTIES
00:15:49IF WE INCREASE IT THAT MUCH.
>> SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY IT IS
00:15:53AGEISM, NOT FAIR TO
DISCRIMINATE --
00:15:58>> CITIZENS OF THE STATE DECIDED
OVER 40 YEARS AGO WE WOULD HAVE
00:16:01LIMITS.
>> FINALLY, DEMOCRATS HAVE COME
00:16:04OUT AGAINST ALL THREE OF THE
STATEWIDE ISSUES, INCLUDING THIS
00:16:07ONE.
THEY SAY THIS IS UNFAIRLY
00:16:10KEEPING REPUBLICANS ON THE OHIO
SUPREME COURT AND OTHER COURTS
00:16:15-- IN MANY WAYS, WHAT YOU JUST
SAID VOTERS MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW
00:16:19WHO THEY ARE VOTING FOR AS A
JUDGE.
00:16:20ARE YOU CONCERNED HOW POLITICS
MIGHT PLAY A ROLE IN HOW THIS
00:16:24ISSUE IS DECIDED AND MAYBE NOT
THE ARGUMENTS HERE?
00:16:29>> POLITICS MAY PLAY A ROLE.
THAT IS THE ISSUE, THAT IT IN
00:16:35TRANCHES FOLKS THEY WOULD LIKE
TO MOVE ON SO THEY HAVE A FAIR
00:16:37SHOT OF REPLACING THEM WITH
DEMOCRATS, I ASSUME.
00:16:41WE HAVE DEMOCRAT MEMBERS AND
REPUBLICAN MEMBERS AND ALL
00:16:44AGREED WE SHOULD NOT BE
INCREASING THE A'S BECAUSE WE
00:16:46ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ABILITY
OF THE JUDGE TO FILL OUT THE
00:16:49TERM AND DO THE JOB.
WE ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT
00:16:52POLITICS.
>> IS JUDICIAL TURNOVER A
00:16:55CONCERN ABOUT MEMBERS IN YOUR
ORGANIZATION?
00:16:58DO YOU LIKE JUDGES THAT THEY ON
A BENCH FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF
00:17:02TIME?
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE JUSTICE
00:17:04TURN OVER OR DOES IT MATTER?
>> WHAT MATTERS IS HE'S GOT THE
00:17:08ENERGY, HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING
THE JOB.
00:17:11WHETHER IT GOES OUR WAY OR THE
OTHER WAY, WE WANT A FAIR SHOT
00:17:14AT A COMPETENT PERSON.
THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
00:17:18>> IS THERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT
THE SIX-YEAR TERM?
00:17:22>> ANOTHER PROBLEM.
JUDGES DO HAVE SIX-YEAR TERM
00:17:25WHICH MEANS YOU ARE -- THIS GUY
IS SIGNING ON FOR SIX YEARS, A
00:17:30LONG TIME.
PROSECUTORS ONLY SERVED FOUR
00:17:32YEARS AND MOST OTHER OFFICIALS
ONLY SERVE FOUR YEARS.
00:17:34IF YOU DO RUN INTO A PROBLEM,
THE CHANCES ARE THE JUDGE -- IT
00:17:39IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR A
LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
00:17:42>> JOHN MURPHY FROM THE OHIO
PROSECUTING ATTORNEYS
00:17:45ASSOCIATION.
>> MOVING FROM ENDORSEMENTS TO
00:17:50DEBATES -- ONE OF THE FIRST
DEBATES ON ISSUE 2 WAS HELD
00:17:52RECENTLY AT THE BEXLEY PUBLIC
LIBRARY JUST EAST OF DOWNTOWN
00:17:54COLUMBUS, MODERATED BY FORMER
WOSU RADIO HOST FRED ANDRLE.
00:17:56ON THE PRO-ISSUE 2 SIDE WAS
SEN. PRESIDENT PRO-TEM KEITH
00:17:58FABER OF CELINA, AND ON THE
ANTI-ISSUE 2 SIDE WAS DALE
00:18:01BUTLAND, SPOKESMAN FOR WE ARE
OHIO, WHICH GATHERED THE
00:18:05SIGNATURES TO PUT SENATE BILL 5
ON THE BALLOT.
00:18:07THE TWO SPARRED FOR MORE THAN
AN HOUR ABOUT BINDING
00:18:11ARBITRATION, NEGOTIATIONS FOR
SAFETY EQUIPMENT, THE BANNING
00:18:14OF STRIKES AND OTHER PROVISIONS
OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
00:18:17REFORM LAW.
AND THE DISCUSSION GOT HEATED
00:18:20SEVERAL TIMES, AS IN THIS
EXCHANGE THAT HITS AT THE
00:18:23BOTTOM-LINE POINTS THAT BOTH
SIDES HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE.
00:18:24>> SENATOR SITES -- I KNOW
SENATOR EABER THOSE FAREWELL,
00:18:37HE IS FROM CINCINNATI, ONE OF
THE MOST CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF
00:18:41THE LEGISLATURE.
HE VOTED AGAINST THIS BILL AND
00:18:44HE SAID WHEN YOU GET RID OF
BINDING ARBITRATION AND YOU
00:18:48ALLOW MANAGEMENT TO OF THOSE ADS
WILL HE SAID IT IS LIKE YOU GO
00:18:51TO DIVORCE COURT AND YOU FIND
OUT THAT YOUR FATHER IN LAW IS
00:18:54THE JUDGE.
THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
00:18:59THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND THEY KEEP COMING BACK TO
00:19:02THIS, SENATOR.
IN NEVER ANSWERED THIS QUESTION
00:19:05YET.
I WILL TRY IT ONCE MORE.
00:19:07IF YOU NEED SAVINGS IN ANY OTHER
AREA, WHY YOU FEEL THE NEED TO
00:19:11TAKE AWAY THE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING RIGHTS OF EMPLOYEES?
00:19:14YOU TALK ABOUT THIS LAW BEING IN
PLACE SINCE 1983 AND, BOY, IT
00:19:19NEEDS TO BE CHANGED -- I DO NOT
KNOW ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN
00:19:22AROUND THAT LONG THAT DOESN'T
NEED CHANGING.
00:19:25LET US TALK ABOUT HOW IT HAS
WORKED.
00:19:27BEFORE 1983, THE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING LAW WAS ENACTED, OF
00:19:32OHIO AVERAGED 60 STRIKES A YEAR.
SINCE THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
00:19:38LAW, SINCE 1983, WE HAVE
AVERAGED FOUR STRIKES A YEAR.
00:19:42IN 2010 AND IN 2011, ZERO
STRIKES.
00:19:48THIS LAW HAS WORKED.
IF IT IS NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX
00:19:52IT.
>> THE SHORT ANSWER TO THE
00:19:53QUESTION IS THE ARBITRATION
PROVISION OF THE PROBLEM.
00:19:57NOT JUST BASED ON THE NUMBER OF
ARBITRATION AWARDS -- BY THE
00:20:00WAY, NOT JUST BASED ON THE
COMMUNITY'S ABILITY TO PAY.
00:20:03AN OUTSIDE PERSON SAYING YOU
WILL RAISE TAXES AND DID THE
00:20:06OTHER THINGS.
IT SHOULD BE THE ELECTED
00:20:08OFFICIALS.
THE REAL PROBLEM IS MORE
00:20:10INSIDIOUS.
WHAT YOU HAVE IS A SITUATION
00:20:12WITH THE UNION COMES IN AND SAYS
WE 16% RAISES, THE CITY FOLKS
00:20:16SAY WE'VE NOT -- CANNOT AFFORD
ANY AN ARBITRATOR SAYS 6 OR 0,
00:20:21WE WILL SUGGEST 3%.
IT SOUNDS FAIR.
00:20:24IT IS NOT FAIR IF THE TAXPAYERS
CAN DEBATE THE BILL.
00:20:28THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE A
SITUATION HAVE A SEAT AT THE
00:20:31TABLE.
NOT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND
00:20:36NOT THE GOVERNMENT APPOINTEES
THAT ARE OFTEN ALSO THE PEOPLE
00:20:40SUPPORTED BY THE UNIONS.
SO, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE
00:20:43PROCESS YOU NEED TO PUT THE
TAXPAYERS IN A POSITION TO HAVE
00:20:46A SEAT IN THE TABLE.
THAT IS WHAT SENATE BILL 5 DOES.
00:20:49ASKS THAT PEOPLE WILL ALSO LEAD
-- ULTIMATELY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
00:20:53THE LEVEL OF QUALITY OF SERVICE
BE THE DECIDER IS.
00:20:56>> FABER AND BUTLAND HAVE BEEN
MAKING THE ROUNDS OF DEBATE
00:21:00VENUES AROUND THE STATE.
A NEW PAIR OF COMBATANTS WILL
00:21:01TAKE ON ISSUE 2 BEFORE THE CITY
CLUB OF CLEVELAND ON MONDAY.
00:21:03FORMER CINCINNATI CITY
COUNCILMAN JEFF BERDING
00:21:04WILL
REPRESENT THE PRO-ISSUE 2
00:21:06COALITION BUILDING A BETTER
OHIO, WHILE FORMER OHIO
00:21:09CONGRESSMAN DENNIS ECKART WILL
BE ON HAND FROM THE ANTI-ISSUE
00:21:112 GROUP WE ARE OHIO.
THEY'LL BE BEFORE A LIVE
00:21:15AUDIENCE OF NEARLY A THOUSAND
ATTENDEES AND WILL TAKE
00:21:17QUESTIONS FROM A PANEL OF
REPORTERS, AND I'LL BE THE
00:21:20MODERATOR.
WE'LL HAVE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THAT
00:21:23DEBATE NEXT WEEK.
ONE PERSON WHO WAS HIGHLY
00:21:27VISIBLE DURING THE DEBATE OVER
SENATE BILL 5 WAS THE MAN WHO
00:21:30WAS LEADING THE DEMOCRATIC
TICKET AT THIS TIME LAST YEAR --
00:21:32FORMER GOV. TED STRICKLAND.
I SPOKE WITH STRICKLAND LAST
00:21:37WEEK ABOUT THE ISSUE 2 CAMPAIGN.
HERE'S MORE OF OUR
00:21:40CONVERSATION, STARTING WITH THE
QUESTION PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF
00:21:41THE AISLE WANT TO HEAR HIM
ANSWER.
00:21:43>> WHEN YOU MENTION GOV. CASE
IT -- KASICH, VISIT THE FIRST
00:21:56TIME IN HIS INTERVIEW I HEARD
YOU MENTION HIM BY NAME.
00:21:59IS IT BECAUSE, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT
SAY SOUR GRAPES.
00:22:02OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING MAYBE
THIS IS THE PRECURSOR TO A
00:22:05CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR AGAIN.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON RUNNING FOR
00:22:09GOVERNOR?
>> WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A
00:22:11MINUTE.
LET ME SAY ABOUT GOV. KASICH, HE
00:22:17WON FAIR AND SQUARE.
WHEN THE ELECTION WAS OVER LAST
00:22:20NOVEMBER I WAS NOT ANGRY WITH
GOV. KAY SICK -- KASICH.
00:22:27HE DID WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO TO
WIN, HE GOT MORE VOTES THAN I
00:22:31GOT, GOVERNOR OF THE STATE, AND
I ACCEPTED THAT WITHOUT RANCOR
00:22:35OR HARD FEELINGS.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T
00:22:39CONTINUE TO HAVE OPINIONS AND IT
DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T HAVE
00:22:42CONVICTIONS THAT I WANT TO PUT
FORTH AN ARGUMENT I WANT TO
00:22:45MAKE.
AND THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING.
00:22:47IN TERMS OF WHAT I MIGHT DO IN
THE FUTURE, LIFE UNFOLDS.
00:22:51I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WILL DO NEXT
MONTH OR NEXT YEAR THE OR IN TWO
00:22:56OR THREE YEARS.
I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THE DOOR
00:23:00ON ANYTHING.
>> YOU ARE NOT SAYING YOU ARE
00:23:01RUNNING BUT YOU ARE NOT RULING
IT OUT.
00:23:04>> ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THAT IS A REASONABLE
00:23:06APPROACH.
MUCH OF IT WILL DEPEND ON WHAT I
00:23:09THINK PEOPLE WILL WANT TO WIN
THE TIME COMES.
00:23:12MY PARTY MAY NOT WANT ME TO RUN
AND THE PEOPLE OF OHIO MAY NOT
00:23:18WANT ME TO RUN AND IF I CONCLUDE
THAT IS IT, I CERTAINLY WON'T
00:23:22RUN.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, KAREN,
00:23:25IMPORTANT THINGS ARE BEING
DECIDED IN OHIO.
00:23:27ISSUED TWO IS IMPORTANT TO ME.
I AM URGING PEOPLE TO VOTE NO.
00:23:32AND ISSUED THREE IS SOMETHING
MANY OHIOANS HAVEN'T PAID
00:23:36ATTENTION TO WHAT IT IS A VERY,
VERY CRITICAL ISSUE.
00:23:40>> AN AMENDMENT THAT COULD
EFFECTIVELY ALLOW -- TO DROP OUT
00:23:44OF THE FEDERAL HEALTH-CARE LAW.
>> IT COULD BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE
00:23:48DECISION, KAREN, WILL BE MADE BY
THE FEDERAL COURTS.
00:23:52FEDERAL LAW SUPERSEDES STATE
LAW.
00:23:54SO WHETHER OR NOT OHIO
PARTICIPATES IN IT WHAT THEY
00:23:58CALL OBAMACARE WILL BE DECIDED
BY THE COURTS AND NOT BY THIS
00:24:02INITIATIVES.
>> YOU SAID YOU ON ROLLING OUT A
00:24:04RUN FOR GOVERNOR BUT HAVE NOT
NECESSARILY SAID YOU ARE GOING
00:24:07TO RUN.
I HAVE SEEN YOU ON CNN.
00:24:09I HAVE SEEN YOU ON HUFFINGTON
POST.
00:24:14ARE YOU POSSIBLY LOOKING AT
ANOTHER OFFICE, MAYBE A RETURN
00:24:16TO CONGRESS OR U.S. SENATE?
>> I AM NOT GOING TO GO BACK TO
00:24:20CONGRESS.
I HAVE BEEN THERE AND I ENJOYED
00:24:23THAT.
BUT I'D LIKE WHAT I AM DOING
00:24:25NOW.
I AM ENGAGED IN SOME BUSINESS
00:24:29DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS.
WE WANT TO CREATE JOBS IN OHIO
00:24:31AND I THINK PRIVATE CITIZENS CAN
DO THAT AS WELL AS ELECTED
00:24:34OFFICIALS.
SO, WE ARE DOING THAT.
00:24:38I AM WORKING WITH SOME OF MY
FORMER STAFF.
00:24:41AND I ENJOY THESE PEOPLE.
THEY SERVED ME AND OHIO VERY
00:24:46WELL.
AND I WANT TO STAY CONNECTED TO
00:24:48THEM AND WORK WITH THEM.
SO, KAREN, LIFE IS GOOD FOR ME.
00:24:54BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
ARE SUFFERING AND STRUGGLING.
00:24:59MANY OF THEM IN MY OWN FAMILY.
AND EVERYONE, I THINK, WHO HAS
00:25:05BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY AS I
HAVE, THE OPPORTUNITIES I HAVE
00:25:10BEEN GIVEN, HAS A RESPONSIBILITY
TO STAY ENGAGED AND INVOLVED AND
00:25:14THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING.
I LOVE THIS STATE, I LOVE THE
00:25:17PEOPLE IN THIS STATE.
AND I WANT OHIO TO PROSPER.
00:25:21AND I WANT TO THE PROSPERITY TO
BE SHARED.
00:25:24AND I WANT A SENSE OF FAIRNESS
TO PERVADE POLITICS.
00:25:29>> BESIDES HEADING UP A FIRM
CALLED MIDWEST GATEWAY
00:25:32PARTNERS, WHICH HE SAYS IS MORE
OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
00:25:34EFFORT THAN A POLITICAL EFFORT,
STRICKLAND HAS BEEN DOING A LOT
00:25:36OF SPEAKING.
AND FOR THOSE ON FACEBOOK WHO
00:25:39WERE WONDERING, HE SAYS HIS
WIFE FRANCES IS DOING WELL AND
00:25:41STAYING BUSY TOO.
AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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