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00:00:28>> A FINAL DECISION ON VOTING
ON THE FINAL THREE DAYS BEFORE
00:00:31THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
AND THE OHIO SUPREME COURT
00:00:34ISSUES A RULING IN ONE
CONTROVERSIAL CASE AND HEARS
00:00:38ARGUMENTS ON ANOTHER
CHALLENGING ONE.
00:00:39ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:45CAPTIONED BY THE
NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE
00:00:46--WWW.NCICAP.ORG--
>> THE THREE DAYS BEFORE THE
00:00:53NOVEMBER ELECTION ARE BACK ON
THE VOTING CALENDAR, AFTER A
00:00:56RULING FROM A FEDERAL JUDGE
THIS WEEK.
00:00:57SECRETARY OF STATE JON HUSTED
SAYS HE WILL FOLLOW THAT
00:01:01FEDERAL JUDGE'S ORDER THAT
CALLS ON HIM TO SET EARLY
00:01:05VOTING HOURS ON THE THREE DAYS
BEFORE ELECTIONS.
00:01:07PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA'S
RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN AND
00:01:10DEMOCRATS FILED A LAWSUIT IN
2012 AGAINST HUSTED OVER A
00:01:14STATE LAW THAT CUTS OFF
IN-PERSON EARLY VOTING FOR MOST
00:01:17OHIO RESIDENTS THREE DAYS PRIOR
TO ELECTION DAY.
00:01:20THE LAW MAKES AN EXCEPTION FOR
MILITARY PERSONNEL AND OHIO
00:01:24VOTERS LIVING OVERSEAS.
DEMOCRATS CLAIMED THAT WAS
00:01:28UNEQUAL TREATMENT AND THAT
EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE CHANCE
00:01:30TO VOTE ON THE THREE DAYS
BEFORE THE ELECTION.
00:01:32THE FEDERAL JUDGE AGREED.
HUSTED SAID IN A STATEMENT -- I
00:01:36AM PLEASED THAT THE FEDERAL
COURT HAS AFFIRMED WHAT I HAVE
00:01:39LONG ADVOCATED, THAT ALL
VOTERS, NO MATTER WHERE THEY
00:01:42LIVE, SHOULD HAVE THE SAME
OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.
00:01:45THANKFULLY, UNIFORMITY AND
EQUALITY WON THE DAY.
00:01:47WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING DAYS
AND HOURGS, I HAVE URGED
00:01:49UNIFORMITY, BIPARTISANSHIP AND
CERTAINLY, SO THAT ALL OHIOANS
00:01:54CAN KNOW THE RULES FOR VOTING
WELL IN ADVANCE OF THE
00:01:57ELECTION.
ABSENT LEGISLATIVE ACTION TO
00:01:58SET HOURS, I HAD ADOPTED BY
DIRECTIVE THE ONLY BIPARTISAN
00:02:02SCHEDULE THAT HAS BEEN OFFERED.
NOW THAT THE COURT HAS RULED, I
00:02:06WILL FOLLOW THE DECISION.
FORMER ASTRONAUT AND U.S.
00:02:10SENATOR JON GLENN HAS HAD A
HEART VALVE E PLACEMENT AS HE
00:02:13APPROACHES HIS 93RD BIRTHDAY.
A SPOKESMAN AT OHIO STATE STATE
00:02:18UNIVERSITY SAYS HE IS
RECUPERATING.
00:02:23GLENN IS STRONG AND HEALTHY
AHEAD OF HIS BIRTHDAY ON JULY
00:02:2618.
AND WE WISH SENATOR GLENN A
00:02:28SPEEDY RECOVERY.
THIS WEEK WAS ALL ABOUT THE
00:02:30OHIO SUPREME COURT, WITH A BIG
RULING IN ONE CONTROVERSIAL
00:02:34LAWSUIT AND ARGUMENTS IN
ANOTHER DISPUTED CASE.
00:02:36TUESDAY BROUGHT THE
LONG-AWAITED DECISION ON
00:02:39WHETHER A LIBERAL GROUP AND TWO
DEMOCRATIC STATE LAWMAKERS HAVE
00:02:43THE LEGAL RIGHT TO CHALLENGE
THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE
00:02:47LAW THAT CREATED JOBSOHIO, THAT
CONSTITUTIONALITY QUESTION WAS
00:02:51NEVER ANSWERED BECAUSE THE
COURT AGREED WITH TWO LOWER
00:02:54COURTS AND RULED 5-2 THAT
PROGRESS OHIO AND TWO
00:02:57DEMOCRATIC STATE LAWMAKERS HAVE
NO PERSONAL STAKE IN THE
00:03:00JOBSOHIO LAW, SO THEY CANNOT
CHALLENGE IT.
00:03:04PROGRESS OHIO AND MICHAEL
SKINDELL OF LAKEWOOD AND DENNIS
00:03:08MURRAY OF SANDUSKY, WHO WERE
STATE REPRESENTATIVES AT THE
00:03:11TIME, ARGUED THAT THEY DID HAVE
THE RIGHT TO SUE FOR FOUR
00:03:15REASONS, ONE OF THEM BEING
TAXPAYER STANDING.
00:03:17THE MAJORITY DIDN'T BUY ANY OF
THOSE REASONS.
00:03:20BUT IN THE RULING, THE JUSTICES
ALSO SAID THAT THE DECISION
00:03:25DOESN'T MEAN THAT NO ONE HAS
STANDING, THERE WERE SEVERAL
00:03:28PEOPLE IDENTIFIED IN THE CASE
WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY BRING A
00:03:31CLAIM AGAINST THE JOBSOHIO LAW
AND THE JUSTICES WRITE THAT THE
00:03:34COURTHOUSE DOORS ARE OPEN TO
THEM.
00:03:36THE OPINION CONCLUDES WITH
THESE SENTENCES -- IF AND WHEN
00:03:39AN INJURED PARTY SEEKS TO
CHALLENGE JOBSOHIO, WE MAY
00:03:42ENTERTAIN SUCH A CASE.
BUT THOSE PARTIES ARE NOT
00:03:45BEFORE US TODAY.
APPELLANTS LACK STANDING TO
00:03:50BRING THIS SUIT, AND THEY MAY
PURSUE IT NO FURTHER.
00:03:53THE CASE WAS ARGUED BEFORE THE
OHIO SUPREME COURT IN NOVEMBER,
00:03:56BUT IT'S BEEN IN THE COURTS FOR
YEARS, AND HAS BROUGHT TOGETHER
00:03:59SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T USUALLY
WORK AS A TEAM.
00:04:01AMONG THOSE ARE THE
LIBERTARIAN, TEA PARTY BACKED
00:04:051851 CENTER FOR CONSTITUTIONAL
LAW, WITH ITS DIRECTOR MAURICE
00:04:08THOMPSON ARGUING THE CASE
BEFORE THE COURT FOR THE
00:04:10LIBERAL PROGRESS OHIO.
AND THAT GROUP'S EXECUTIVE
00:04:13DIRECTOR, BRIAN ROTHENBERG IS
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CASE.
00:04:17SO, BRIAN, NOW THAT IT'S BEEN
RESOLVED, AT LEAST AT THIS
00:04:20LEVEL, WHAT HAPPENS NOW?
>> IT'S KIND OF LIKE A TIE.
00:04:23WE DIDN'T REALLY, LIKE, HAVE A
DECISION HERE BECAUSE NO COURT
00:04:27HAS EVER RULED ON WHETHER IT'S
CONSTITUTIONAL.
00:04:29SO YOU KNOW, I GO TO THE LAWYER
PIECE OF THIS, WHICH IS HOW IN
00:04:33THE WORLD COULD THE LEGISLATURE
PASS SOMETHING POTENTIALLY
00:04:37UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND BECAUSE OF
ALL THESE LITTLE GAMES AND
00:04:40GIMMICKS AND LEGAL THINGS THAT
THEY'VE DONE, NO COURT MAY EVER
00:04:43RULE ON WHETHER IT'S
CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT, WITH
00:04:47PUBLIC MONEY INVOLVED.
AND I JUST THINK THE PRECEDENT
00:04:50IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT FISCAL
CONSERVATIVES ARE GOING TO RUE
00:04:55THE DAY THAT THEY DID THIS
JOBSOHIO PROGRAM, AND I THINK
00:05:00-- I THINK THAT OHIOANS ARE
GOING TO REGRET IT.
00:05:03>> NOW, IN THE MAJORITY
OPINION, THE JUSTICES WROTE
00:05:06THAT ALL THE PARTIES IN THE
CASE, INCLUDING APPELLANTS,
00:05:10IDENTIFIED MULTIPLE PERSONS
THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BRING A
00:05:14CLAIM.
THUS DESPITE PROTESTATIONS TO
00:05:17THE CONTRARY, THE PARTIES DO
NOT SUGGEST THAT NO PERSON
00:05:21COULD EVER HAVE STANDING TO
CHALLENGE JOBSOHIO.
00:05:23A PROPER PARTY MAY
UNQUESTIONABLY CONTEST THE
00:05:27CONSTITUTIONALITY OF JOBSOHIO.
SO WHO IS THAT PROPER PARTY?
00:05:29>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKE, YOU
KNOW, LUCY AND THE FOOTBALL
00:05:31BECAUSE WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY
PASSED THE LAW AND THEY SAID
00:05:34YOU HAVE TO FILE IT WITHIN 90
DAYS.
00:05:37AND THEN THEY SAID WELL, YOU
FILED IT WITHIN 90 DAYS, BUT
00:05:39YOU DIDN'T FILE IT IN THE RIGHT
COURT BECAUSE WE HAD TO FILE IN
00:05:43THE SUPREME COURT AND THEY SAID
YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE TRIAL
00:05:45COURT.
SO WE WENT TO THE TRIAL COURT,
00:05:46SO THEN THEY SAID WELL, IT WAS
WITHIN THE THE 90 DAYS, BUT
00:05:51JOBSOHIO DIDN'T EXIST THEN AND
NOBODY WAS HARMED BECAUSE
00:05:56JOBSOHIO DIDN'T EXIST WITHIN
THE 90 DAYS.
00:05:58SO NOW WHAT THE JUSTICE SAID
WAS OH, WELL, THERE MUST BE
00:06:01SOME PARTY, BUT THESE AREN'T
THE PARTIES.
00:06:03BUT IF THERE WERE A PARTY, THEN
THEY COULD DO IT BUT THEN THEY
00:06:06WOULD ALSO HAVE TO CHALLENGE
THE 90-DAY RULE MEANING BEYOND
00:06:11THAT 90 DAYS NO ONE COULD SUE
ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONALITY.
00:06:16SHE COULD HAVE RULED RIGHT THEN
THE 90-DAY RULE WAS
00:06:20UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN AND OF
ITSELF.
00:06:22BUT SHE SAID IF WE CAN FIGURE
OUT WHO THAT PERSON IS THAT WAS
00:06:25HARMED, AND SHE DIDN'T INDICATE
WHO THAT WOULD BE, YOU WOULD
00:06:29HAVE TO DO IT AND CHARGE THE
90-DAY RULE FIRST.
00:06:34SO THEN WE'D HAVE TO TRY TO GET
THE 90-DAY RULED OUT BECAUSE
00:06:38THIS IS LONG AFTER 90 DAYS.
AND BY THEN YOU COULD GO BACK
00:06:42MAYBE PRESUMABLY IF YOU WIN AND
ACTUALLY HAVE A COURT DECIDE
00:06:45WHETHER JOBSOHIO IS
CONSTITUTIONAL.
00:06:46THAT'S REALLY CONFUSING, I
KNOW, TO VOTERS, TO VIEWERS.
00:06:52BUT THE POINT OF ALL THIS IS IF
IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL,
00:06:57SHOULDN'T A COURT JUST RULE ON
IT?
00:06:59AND I'M NOT -- I'M NOT
GRANDSTANDING HERE.
00:07:03I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS --
THAT'S WHY CONSERVATIVES AND
00:07:07LIBERALS JOINED TOGETHER ON
THIS.
00:07:08IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
>> AT THIS POINT THOUGH,
00:07:11UNWINDING JOBSOHIO WOULD BE A
PRETTY UNWIELDY ACT, WOULDN'T
00:07:14IT?
>> WELL, THIS GOVERNOR DECIDED
00:07:16TO SELL BONDS EVEN WITH THE
CASE PENDING, RISKING THE FACT
00:07:20THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO
UNWIND.
00:07:22BUT I HAVE, YOU KNOW, PARTNERS
OHIO IS NOT GOING TO STOPPING
00:07:28AVOW KATING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE
00:07:31CONCERNED ABOUT IS HOW MUCH OF
THAT DOLLAR YOU PUT INTO JOBS
00:07:33IS ACTUALLY JOB CREATION?
RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE 80% OF
00:07:38IT GOES TOWARD PROFIT EARING
AND THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE
00:07:43JOBS CREATED BECAUSE THERE'S NO
ACCOUNTABILITY ON THAT MONEY.
00:07:45IN 2012, THE "NEW YORK TIMES"
ACTUALLY DID A STUDY AND SAID
00:07:49IN OHIO WE SPENT $3.2 BILLION
ON JOB CREATION AND THE
00:07:53GOVERNOR'S OWN JOB CREATION
NUMBERS THAT YEAR WERE 22,000
00:07:57JOBS.
IF YOU DO THAT THAT'S $160,000
00:08:01A JOB SPENT.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE PAID THAT
00:08:02MUCH TO THOSE WORKERS.
>> BACK ON THE RULING THERE, IT
00:08:05SEEMS LIKE THE MAJORITY WAS
SAYING WITH THE LINE I JUST
00:08:09QUOTED EARLIER, APPELLANTS ARE
NOT THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE
00:08:11AGAINST JOBSOHIO DESPITE THE
DIRE PICTURE THEY PAINT.
00:08:15IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE
GOING AGAINST WHAT THE DISSENT
00:08:17WAS SAYING, WHICH WAS THAT
THERE WILL NEVER BE A RULING ON
00:08:20THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF
JOBSOHIO.
00:08:22>> THEY SEEMED TO THINK THAT
SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE IS GOING TO
00:08:24BE ABLE TO SUE ABOUT IT, BUT
THEY'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT --
00:08:27WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHO THIS
ELUSIVE PLAINTIFF S WE'VE GOT
00:08:31TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN DO
IT OUTSIDE OF THE 90 DAYS AND
00:08:34WHETHER THE 90-DAY RULE GETS
THROWN OUT.
00:08:36AND THEN WE GOT TO GO THROUGH
PROBABLY ALL THE NAME-CALLING
00:08:39THE GOVERNOR GAVE ME THROUGH
THIS PROCESS.
00:08:42AT ONE POINT HE CALLED ME --
BUT YOU'VE GOT TO PRESUME THAT
00:08:45THAT PERSON IS WILLING TO
WITHSTAND THAT.
00:08:48BUT IT'S PUBLIC MONEY AND A
PRIVATE ENTITY WITH NO
00:08:52ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS HARD FOR
00:08:54TAXPAYERS TO MAKE SURE THAT
THIS CONSTITUTION IS UPHELD.
00:08:56AND REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE IS
OUR CONSTITUTION IS DEFENSELESS
00:08:59IF THIS IS HOW OUR LEGISLATURE
AND OUR GOVERNOR AND OUR COURTS
00:09:04ARE GOING TO ACT.
>> IT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE THOUGH
00:09:07IN SOME PARTS THAT THEY WERE
SAYING KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF
00:09:09THAT, THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T
HAVE TAXPAYER STANDING, BECAUSE
00:09:14THERE ISN'T THIS TAXPAYER
STANDING, THAT THE CONSTITUTION
00:09:17IS PROTECTED, THAT IF THEY GAVE
YOU TAXPAYER STANDING THEY
00:09:20COULD GIVE MILLIONS OF OHIOANS
TAXPAYER STANDING AND ANYBODY
00:09:23COULD ATTACK THE CONSTITUTION
OR ANY LAW.
00:09:25>> IT'S KIND OF LAUGHABLE
BECAUSE JOBSOHIO, YOU KNOW, HAS
00:09:27BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPERS AND
WE'VE HAD THIS CONTROVERSY AND
00:09:30IT'S BEEN VERY WIDELY REPORTED,
EVEN IN THE TRIAL COURT
00:09:33DECISION, THEY SAID YOU DON'T
HAVE STANDING BUT THERE'S
00:09:35LEGITIMATE CONSTITUTIONAL
ISSUES HERE.
00:09:37AND THE APPELLANT COURT, THEY
SAID YOU DON'T HAVE STANDING
00:09:39BUT THERE'S LEGITIMATE
CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES HERE.
00:09:42I HAVE THE 1851 LAW CENTER,
WHEN USUALLY DOESN'T WORK WITH
00:09:45ME AT ALL, JOINING TO REPRESENT
ME IN COURT BECAUSE OF
00:09:49LEGITIMATE CONSTITUTIONAL
ISSUES AND JUSTICE IN THIS
00:09:54DECISION SAYS WELL, I'M NOT
SURE THERE'S A LEGITIMATE
00:09:56CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE HERE.
WELL, THEN WHAT'S ALL THE INK
00:10:00ABOUT?
WHAT'S THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
00:10:02OF DOLLARS ABOUT?
WHY IS THE GOVERNOR CALLING ME
00:10:04NAMES ABOUT IT?
OF COURSE IT WAS LEGITIMATE AND
00:10:07IT WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE ABILITY TO
00:10:13SANCTION THE STATE USING PUBLIC
MONEY AND PRIVATE ENTITY E. AND
00:10:18IT'S A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT.
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
00:10:21>> THANK YOU.
>> THERE WERE SEVEN LAW
00:10:24PROFESSORS WHO FILED PAPERWORK
TO SUPPORT THE STATE'S ARGUMENT
00:10:27AGAINST PROGRESS OHIO'S
STANDING TO SUE.
00:10:29THE PROFESSORS SAID THAT JUST
BECAUSE A PERSON IS A TAXPAYER,
00:10:32THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PERSON
AUTOMATICALLY HAS STANDING.
00:10:35THE PROFESSORS SAID IN THEIR
BRIEF -- MILLIONS OF OHIOANS
00:10:38WOULD SATISFY THAT TEST.
NO MATTER HOW OBSCURE THE
00:10:42STATUTE, DISINTERESTED THE
PARTY, OR GENERALIZED THE
00:10:46GRIEVANCE, ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO
CHALLENGE ANY ACTION BY THE
00:10:48STATE SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE IS A
TAXPAYER.
00:10:50THE EXCEPTION WOULD OFTEN
SWALLOW THE TRADITIONAL
00:10:53STANDING RULES IN CONTROVERSIES
WITH THE STATE.
00:10:56ONE OF THOSE PROFESSOR IS
CHRISTOPHER WALKER FROM THE
00:10:59OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY MORITZ
COLLEGE OF LAW.
00:11:02HE IS HERE TO EXPLAIN WHY HIS
GROUP JOINED THE CASE.
00:11:04SO WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, SO THE
00:11:07QUESTION THAT COMES OUT WHEN
YOU READ THE MAJORITY OPINION
00:11:10IS PROGRESS OHIO AND THE STATE
LAWMAKERS DO NOT HAVE STANDING.
00:11:14BUT THERE ARE OTHER PARTIES
THAT DO.
00:11:17IF PROGRESS OHIO AND THESE
STATE LEGISLATORS DON'T HAVE
00:11:20STANDING AND TAXPAYERS DON'T
HAVE GENERALIZED STANDING, WHO
00:11:23CAN SUE OVER THIS?
WHO DOES HAVE STANDING?
00:11:27>> WELL, THE IDEA BEHIND
STANDING IS TO LIMIT A COURT'S
00:11:30ABILITY TO RULE ON ISSUES TO
PARTIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY
00:11:32INJURED BY WHAT THE
GOVERNMENT'S DOING.
00:11:34AND SO WE FILED ON BEHALF OF
PROFESSORS ACROSS THE STATE
00:11:40THAT TEACH IN THIS AREA OF
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW TO EXPLAIN
00:11:42THAT THAT'S -- THAT'S A BEDROCK
PRINCIPLE OF THE FEDERAL
00:11:47CONSTITUTION AND THE OHIO
CONSTITUTION, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE
00:11:51TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF INJURY.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO BE A
00:11:54TAXPAYER.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO HAVE YOU
00:11:56KNOW, SOME TYPE OF SPECIAL
INTEREST.
00:11:58YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW
THERE'S A CONCRETE INJURY IN
00:12:01ORDER TO CHALLENGE SOMETHING.
AND THAT'S FOR GOOD REASON.
00:12:04WE WANT COURTS TO BE USED NOT
TO MAKE LAWS OR TO IMPLEMENT
00:12:08POLICIES, BUT TO ACTUALLY HELP
PARTIES THAT HAVE BEEN HURT BY
00:12:11A PARTICULAR GOVERNMENT ACTION
TO BE ABLE TO GET RELIEF.
00:12:15AND IN THIS CASE THERE WASN'T
EVEN AN ATTEMPT TO BE MADE SO
00:12:18SHOW THERE WAS A CONCRETE
INJURY, THAT THE PARTIES FOR
00:12:21THE COURT WOULD HAVE THAT -- IT
WAS -- THEY WERE TRYING TO
00:12:24ESTABLISH THEY COULD CHALLENGE
IT BECAUSE THEY LOST THROUGH
00:12:27THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
>> IF INDEED THE COURT HAD
00:12:29DECIDED TO SIDE WITH PROGRESS
OHIO AND THE TWO STATE
00:12:32LAWMAKERS AND SAID THEY DID
HAVE STANDING AS TAXPAYERS,
00:12:35WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE
IMPLICATIONS OF THAT?
00:12:38>> IT DEPENDS HOW BROADLY THE
COURT'S RULING WAS.
00:12:42THERE IS AN EXISTING CASE FROM
THE OHIO SUPREME COURT THAT
00:12:46DOES ALLOW SPECIAL STANDING IF
THERE'S A SERIOUS
00:12:49CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATION.
THE COURT HERE SAID THE
00:12:52JOBSOHIO CASE DIDN'T REACH THAT
LEVEL, THAT THE ISSUES
00:12:55PRESENTED WEREN'T -- WEREN'T
STRONG ENOUGH.
00:12:57THEY ALSO HAD AN ADDITIONAL
RULING THAT IT WAS IN THE
00:13:00COMMON COURT OF PLEAS AND NOT
AN ACTION OF THE SUPREME COURT.
00:13:04SO THERE IS THAT EXCEPTION.
SO THE CASE IN SOME WAYS TURNED
00:13:10ON THE PROGRESS OHIO, YOU KNOW,
PLAINTIFFS, DID THEY MEET THAT
00:13:14EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCE TEST
OR ARE THEY JUST MORE OF A
00:13:18COMMON TAXPAYER AND THE COURT
RULED THAT NO, THEY DIDN'T MEET
00:13:20THAT TEST.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE
00:13:23SERIOUS, MORE OF A SERIOUS
CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATION TO BE
00:13:26ABLE TO MEET THAT STANDING
TEST.
00:13:28>> YOU ALSO HAVE A STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS.
00:13:31AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS
AN INJURED PARTY WHO DECIDES TO
00:13:34COME FORWARD, DIDN'T THE
STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS PASS ON
00:13:37THIS A LONG TIME AGO?
>> YEAH, THERE'S A 90-DAY
00:13:40STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.
AND THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS
00:13:44IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU HAVE
TO BRING A SUE.
00:13:46AND THERE THE STATUTE, THE
JOBSOHIO STATUTE SAYS THAT YOU
00:13:49HAVE TO BRING THE STUTE WITHIN
90 DAYS OF THE PASSAGE OF THE
00:13:53ACT TO CHALLENGE THE
LEGISLATION ITSELF.
00:13:55BUT IF THE COURT MENTIONED,
THERE'S ALSO A 60-DAY STATUTE
00:14:00OF LIMITATIONS FOR ANY ACTION
THAT YOU'RE CHALLENGING OF THE
00:14:03JOBSOHIO GROUP -- ORGANIZATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER ROUTE.
00:14:07AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE COURT
ALSO SAID WELL, IF STATUTE OF
00:14:12LIMITATIONS IS ALSO
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, CAN YOU
00:14:15CHALLENGE THAT IN COURT AND
YOU'D HAVE STANDING TO RAISE
00:14:16THE CHALLENGE THAT THAT'S NOT A
PROPER LIMITATION ON WHEN
00:14:20SOMEONE CAN BRING A SUIT.
>> THE DISSENTS WERE KIND OF
00:14:25INTERESTING.
TWO JUSTICES WROTE THE
00:14:28DISSENTS.
AND "OHIOANS WILL NEVER KNOW
00:14:31WHETHER THEIR GOVERNMENT HAS
VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION.
00:14:34APPARENTLY THEY DO NOT DESERVE
TO KNOW.
00:14:36THERE WON'T EVER BE A DECISION
ON WHETHER JOBSOHIO IS
00:14:38CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT."
DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE CASE
00:14:40HERE?
>> IT'S HARD WITH STANDING,
00:14:45BECAUSE STANDING IS A THRESHOLD
ISSUE WHERE YOU DON'T LOOK AT
00:14:47THE MERITS.
I THINK THE DISSENT WAS QUITE
00:14:50FOCUSED ON THE MERITS AND WAS
CONCERNED THAT THE -- THAT THE
00:14:53JOBSOHIO ACT WAS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND REALLY
00:14:55WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT ANSWER.
THERE'S A REASON WHY WE HAVE
00:14:59STANDING.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONCRETE
00:15:00INJURY, AND IF YOU DON'T, THE
PROPER RECOURSE IS THROUGH THE
00:15:03LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
IF IT'S A GENERAL GRIEVANCE
00:15:05THAT EVERY TAXPAYER HAS OR THAT
A STRONG NUMBER OF TAXPAYERS
00:15:09HAVE, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE PROCESS OF VOTING
00:15:12OUT YOUR LEGISLATURES OR LOBBY
YOUR LEGISLATORS IN ORDER TO
00:15:15GET CHANGE WITHIN THAT AREA.
IT'S NOT THE ROLE OF A COURT TO
00:15:18COME IN IF THERE'S NOT A
CONCRETE INJURY.
00:15:20>> CHRISTOPHER WALKER FROM OHIO
STATE UNIVERSITY, THANK YOU
00:15:24VERY MUCH.
AND AS EXPECTED, JOBSOHIO WAS
00:15:26PLEASED WITH THE RULING, WHICH
IS A WIN FOR IT AND FOR HOLDERS
00:15:29OF $1.5 BILLION IN BONDS IT PUT
ON THE MARKET IN JANUARY 2013,
00:15:35A DECISION NA SOME FOUND
SURPRISING CONSIDERING THE
00:15:37PENDING COURT CASE.
JOBSOHIO PRESIDENT AND C.I.O.
00:15:40JOHN MINOR SAID IN A STATEMENT
-- WE ARE PLEASED WITH THE
00:15:43COURT'S DECISION, WHICH ALLOWS
JOBSOHIO TO REMAIN FOCUSED ON
00:15:47OUR CORE MISSION OF CREATE BE
JOBS AND ENHABSING ECONOMIC
00:15:50OPPORTUNITIES FOR OHIOANS.
JOBSOHIO IS WORKING, SINCE ITS
00:15:55INCEPTION, WE HAVE HELPED
GENERATE $13.2 BILLION OF
00:15:59CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND 230,624
NEW AND RETAINED JOBS.
00:16:03WE ARE PROUD OF OUR
ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO DATE AND
00:16:06LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR
EFFORTS TO HELP OHIO GROW AND
00:16:09PROSPER.
THE OTHER BIG ISSUE BEFORE THE
00:16:12OHIO SUPREME COURT THIS WEEK
WAS TRAFFIC CAMERAS.
00:16:15THE JUSTICES HEARD A CASE THAT
TESTS HOW CITIES CAN USE
00:16:18AUTOMATED CAMERAS TO CATCH AND
FINE THOSE WHO SPEED AND RUN
00:16:23RED LIGHTS.
THE CASE COMES FROM A TICKET
00:16:25THAT BRADLEY WALKER OF KENTUCKY
GOT FROM AN AUTOMATED TRAFFIC
00:16:28CAMERA WHEN DRIVING THROUGH
TOLEDO IN 2009.
00:16:30IN 2011, WALKER FILED A
LAWSUIT, CLAIMING THAT THE
00:16:34PROCESS BY WHICH HE WOULD
APPEAL THE TICKET WAS
00:16:36UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
CITIES TYPICALLY SEND A CAMERA
00:16:39TICKETS APPEAL TO AN
ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING RATHER
00:16:42THAN INTO THE COURT SYSTEM,
SINCE THE VIOLATION IS CIVIL
00:16:45AND NOT CRIMINAL.
AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE UNDER
00:16:48OHIO'S CONSTITUTION, SAYS ADAM
LOUKX, WHO ARGUED FOR THE CITY
00:16:51OF TOLEDO.
>> A PRINCIPAL PART OF THAT
00:16:56INSTRUMENT IS THE HOME RULE
AUTHORITY OF A CITY TO
00:17:00SELF-GOVERN.
AND A PART OF SELF-GOVERNMENT
00:17:01IS THE ABILITY TO SET UP
ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL BOARDS TO
00:17:04-- TO HAVE QUASI-JUDICIAL
HEARINGS ON MATTERS OF LOCAL
00:17:08CONTROVERSY.
>> LOUKX SAID IF ALL DISPUTES
00:17:10ENDED UP IN THE COURTS, THEY
WOULD BE OVERWHELMED, SO CITIES
00:17:14HAVE SET UP ADMINISTRATIVE
PANELS SUCH AS CIVIL SERVICE
00:17:17COMMISSIONS, TAX APPEALS
BOARDS, EVEN TAXI CAB
00:17:20COMMISSIONS AND DANCE HALL
REVIEW BOARDS.
00:17:22AND HE SAID ANYONE WHO WANTS TO
APPEAL A TRAFFIC CAMERA
00:17:26PARTICULAR KET DO SO AFTER THEY
PAY THE FINE.
00:17:28AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE
HEARING OFFICER'S DECISION,
00:17:30THEY CAN TAKE IT TO COURT.
THOUGH HE SAID THAT HASN'T
00:17:33HAPPENED OFTEN, AND THAT
INFORMATION ABOUT THE COURT
00:17:36APPEALS OPTION USUALLY DOES NOT
ACCOMPANY THE TICKET WHEN IT'S
00:17:39SENT IN THE MAIL TO THE DRIVER.
BUT ANDREW MAYLE REPRESENTING
00:17:43CITED DRIVER BRADLEY WALKER,
ARGUED THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE
00:17:46HEARING PROCESS CREATED BY THE
TOLEDO LAW IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
00:17:52BECAUSE STATE LAWMAKERS HAVE
NOT ALLOWED THAT.
00:17:54>> THE MUE THINKS CAP COURT HAS
JURISDICTION UNLESS THE GENERAL
00:17:57ASSEMBLY SAYS OTHERWISE.
TOLEDO CANNOT SELF-CREATE AN
00:18:01EXCEPTION.
>> AND HE SAID DRIVERS WHO
00:18:02DON'T WANT TO PAY THE TICKETS
WHILE THEY APPEAL THE
00:18:05VIOLATIONS COULD RISK LOSING
THEIR CARS BECAUSE THE LAW
00:18:08ALLOWS THE CITY OF TOLEDO TO
ACT ON THOSE UNPAID TICKETS AS
00:18:12IF THEY WERE DEBTS.
AFTER THE ARGUMENTS, THE
00:18:15ATTORNEYS FOR THE CITY OF
TOLEDO AND THE CAMERA OPERATING
00:18:19COMPANY DECLINED COMMENT.
BUT MAURICE THOMPSON FROM THE
00:18:23LIBERTARIAN 1851 CENTER FOR
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW WAS TALKING.
00:18:26HE HADN'T SAID MUCH ABOUT THE
JOBSOHIO DECISION THE DAY
00:18:29BEFORE BECAUSE HE WAS HELPING
BRADLEY WALKER'S TEAM GET READY
00:18:32FOR THIS CASE, BUT HE SAYS HE
DID IT FOR A BIGGER OVERALL
00:18:35GOAL.
>> AS A NOMINAL LEGAL MATTER,
00:18:39WINNING THIS CASE FOR US DOES
NOT SHUT DOWN THE CAMERA
00:18:42PROGRAMS.
WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT RED LIGHT
00:18:44CAMERA TICKETS HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL COURT.
00:18:48NOW AS A PRAGMATIC ECONOMIC
MATTER, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT
00:18:51IT'S NO LONGER PROFITABLE AND
LUCRATIVE FOR CITIES TO PURSUE
00:18:55THESE THINGS.
>> ONCE AGAIN, THAT CASE
00:18:57BROUGHT TOGETHER PEOPLE WHO
DON'T NORMALLY TEAM UP, THE
00:19:00ACLU JOINED WITH THOMPSON'S
1851 CENTER, AND NEARLY 30 OHIO
00:19:04LAWMAKERS FROM BOTH PARTIES
FILED PAPERWORK SIDING WITH
00:19:08DRIVER BRADLEY WALKER AS WELL.
THE CITIES OF CLEVELAND,
00:19:12COLUMBUS, EAST CLEEVERPBED, AND
DAYTON ALONG WITH THE OHIO
00:19:16MUNICIPAL LEAGUE FILED BRIEFS
BACKING TOW LEAD'S OWE CLAIMS.
00:19:19AND THE DRIVER BRADLEY WALKER
WAS ALSO THERE TO SEE HIS CASE
00:19:24ARGUED.
HE SAID HE WAS SURPRISED IT
00:19:26EVER ENDED UP AT THE OHIO
SUPREME COURT.
00:19:28A PREVIOUS HIGH COURT DECISION
RULED THAT CAMERAS TO CATCH
00:19:30SPEEDERS AND RED LIGHT RUNNERS
ARE LEGAL.
00:19:33IT COULD BE SEVERAL MONTHS
BEFORE A RULING ON THE HEARING
00:19:35PROCESS, WHICH THOMPSON SAYS IS
USED BY THE 15 OHIO COMMUNITIES
00:19:40THAT HAVE TRAFFIC CAMERAS.
THE SUPREME COURT ALSO ISSUED A
00:19:43RULING THAT THE VICTORY FOR PAY
DAY LENDERS THIS WEEK.
00:19:45THE JUSTICES SAID IN A
UNANIMOUS DECISION THAT A
00:19:49TWO-LEAK LOAN TO A MAN THAT
IMPOSED MORE THAN 235% INTEREST
00:19:54IS NOT PROHIBITED UNDER OHIO'S
MORTGAGE LENDING LAWS.
00:19:57THE JUSTICES RULED AGAINST
ATTORNEYS FOR RODNEY SCOTT, WHO
00:20:01HAD WANTED TO CLOSE A LOOPHOLE
IN A 2008 LAW THAT ALLOWED
00:20:05PAYDAY-STYLE LOANS TO CONTINUE
AS INTEREST-BEARING MORTGAGE
00:20:10LOANS DESPITE A STATE CRACKDOWN
ON PREDATORY SHORT-TERM LENDING
00:20:13THAT PASSED IN 2008.
THAT LAW WAS NOT ONLY APPROVED
00:20:16BY LAWMAKERS BUT WAS UPHELD BY
64% OF VOTERS THAT SAME YEAR.
00:20:21BUT THE JUSTICES RULED THE LAW
DID NOT PROHIBIT THOSE LOANS.
00:20:23AND THE COURT SAID ITS RULING
PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
00:20:27STATE LAW MEAKERS TO REVISIT
THE LAW TO CLARIFY ITS INTENT.
00:20:31SCOTT WOULD HAVE PAID INTEREST
OF LESS THAN $6 IF HE PAID BACK
00:20:36THE LOAN TO CASHLAND ON TIME,
BUT HE FACED A TOTAL OF $570.16
00:20:41PLUS 25% INTEREST AFTER MISSING
HIS PAYMENT.
00:20:46THE OTHER BIG NEWS AROUND
CAPITOL SQUARE THIS WEEK
00:20:49CONTINUES TO BE THE ENERGY
STANDARDS FREEZE.
00:20:51WITH GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH'S
STIGGET AND A PRIVATE SIGNING
00:20:55CEREMONY, OHIO BECOMES THE
FIRST STATE IN THE COUNTRY TO
00:20:57PULL BACK ON REQUIRED
ALTERNATIVE ENERGY STANDARDS
00:20:59FOR UTILITIES, WHICH HAVE BEEN
IN PLACE IN OHIO SINCE THE LAW
00:21:03INSTITUTING THEM PASSED ALMOST
UNANIMOUSLY IN 2008.
00:21:08OPPONENTS OF THE MANDATE SAY
THEY'RE COSTING TOO MUCH MONEY
00:21:10AND WILL RAISE ELECTRIC RATES,
WHILE THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE
00:21:14STANDARDS SAY THEY SAVE MONEY
IN THE LONG RUN AND HAVE HELPED
00:21:17CREATE A GROWING GREEN INDUSTRY
IN OHIO.
00:21:18I TALKED WITH TWO POLITICAL AND
POLICY OBSERVERS THIS WEEK,
00:21:22DALE BUTTLAND WITH INNOVATION
OHIO, A LIBERAL LEANING
00:21:25RESEARCH GROUP, AND GREG LAWSON
WITH THE BUCKEYE INSTITUTE,
00:21:29WHICH IS A FREE MARKET THINK
TANK.
00:21:31I ASKED THEM THEIR THOUGHTS ON
SENATE BILL 310, THE ENERGY
00:21:36STANDARDS FREEZE.
>> IT'S GOING TO LEAD IN AN
00:21:39INCREASE IN ELECTRICAL RATES
FOR RATE PAYERS.
00:21:41IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO A DROP IN
JOBS.
00:21:43WE ALREADY HAVE 25,000 JOBS
RIGHT NOW THAT ARE IN THE
00:21:47RENEWABLE ENERGY FIELD.
WE'VE GOT $6 BILLION WORTH OF
00:21:52SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS READY TO
GO, WHICH ARE GOING TO GO
00:21:54ELSEWHERE IF WE DO THIS.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA THAT
00:21:57HAS BEEN DRIVEN BY THE FACT
THAT JOHN KASICH AND HIS ALLIES
00:22:02IN THE LEGISLATURE HAVE
RECEIVED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
00:22:04CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE
FOUR MAJOR UTILITIES WHO HAVE
00:22:07BEEN PUSHING THIS.
>> GREG, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT
00:22:09THE SAME THING.
>> IF -- IF WHAT HE JUST SAID
00:22:12WAS TRUE THEN WE WOULD HAVE
DONE A FULL REPEAL THAT'S WHAT
00:22:16WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE.
RENEWABLE ENERGY, IF IT'S GOING
00:22:20TO WORK, THE MARKET CAN MAKE
DECISIONS.
00:22:23SO ACTUALLY THE FREEZE IS A
LUKE WARM POLICY AT BEST.
00:22:26IT'S NOT GOING -- AGAIN, A LOT
OF TIMES IN OHIO, WE HAVE A
00:22:30TENDENCY TO GO ONLY PART WAY
TOWARDS THE KIND OF REFORMS WE
00:22:33NEED.
WE SHOULD HAVE JUST REPEALED
00:22:36THE WHOLE MANDATE, BUT WE
DIDN'T.
00:22:38THIS IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.
BY THE WAY, THESE COST SAVINGS,
00:22:41PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND,
THESE ARE SAVINGS THE UTILITIES
00:22:44REPORT, BUT IT'S BASED ON A
TYPE OF TEST THAT THEY ARE
00:22:48MANDATED TO REPORT.
IT'S A TEST THAT BASICALLY SAYS
00:22:52IF YOU SPEND ALL OF THIS MONEY
TODAY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO
00:22:54HAVE SAVINGS OUT IN THE FUTURE.
AND WE PRESENT VALUE IT TO
00:22:57TODAY.
SO IT'S NOT RAW SAVINGS RIGHT
00:22:59HERE, RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A FORMULA THAT THEY'RE
00:23:02FORCED TO DO SO THESE SAVINGS
ARE PERHAPS QUITE ILLUSORY
00:23:08BASED ON THE MODEL.
THE SAVINGS ARE A BIT OF A
00:23:12PHANTOM.
>> SO I THINK WE CAN CONCLUDE,
00:23:14GREG SAID A RISING TIDE CAN
LIFT ALL BOTH.
00:23:17WHETHER IT COMES TO TAX POLICY
OR IT COMES TO ENERGY POLICY,
00:23:20THE POLICIES THAT GREG WOULD
LIKE TO PURSUE WOULD END UP
00:23:24BEING A RISING TIDE LIFTING ALL
YACHTS.
00:23:28>> BUT THIS FREEZE HAS BEEN
TALKED ABOUT AS BEING A
00:23:31COMPROMISE BETWEEN A TOTAL
REPEAL AND KEEPING THE LAW.
00:23:34COMPROMISE DOESN'T MAKE ANYBODY
HAPPY.
00:23:38I GUESS NEITHER ONE OF YOU ARE
HAPPY, RIGHT?
00:23:40>> LOOK, MAKE NO MISTAKE, OUR
RENEWABLE ENERGY STANDARDS ARE
00:23:43DEAD.
WHEN YOU FREEZE THEM FOR TWO
00:23:45YEARS LIKE THIS, AS I JUST TOLD
YOU, WE'RE GOING HAVE LITERALLY
00:23:48BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PROJECT
ARE GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
00:23:51I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
GOTTEN THESE PROJECTS READY TO
00:23:55GO HAVE SAID WE'RE GOING TO GO
SOMEWHERE ELSEWHERE WE DON'T
00:23:58HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS
PROBLEM HERE.
00:24:00SO WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THOSE
JOBS.
00:24:02WE'RE GOING TO, AS I SAY, RATES
ARE GOING UP.
00:24:05AND TO SAY NOTHING OF THE
POLLUTION.
00:24:08WE'RE JUST CHOKING US.
AND YOU KNOW, I -- I -- I HAVE
00:24:14A GREAT DEAL OF -- I MEAN, I
UNDERSTAND WHERE GREG WANTS TO
00:24:16GO.
BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S
00:24:18GOING TO BENEFIT ANY OF US TO
BE THE RICH ET PEOPLE IN THE
00:24:21CEMETERY.
>> GREG, WE OFTEN HEAR THAT
00:24:22BUSINESS REALLY RELIES ON
CERTAINTY AND IT REALLY NEEDS
00:24:25TO HAVE CERTAIN LAWS TO KEEP
PACE.
00:24:28THIS IS KIND OF UNCERTAIN HERE.
A TWO-YEAR FREEZE AND THEN
00:24:31WHAT?
WE'RE TOLD THE LEGISLATURE,
00:24:32UNLESS IT ACTS, THAT THESE
STANDARDS WILL COME BACK.
00:24:35>> AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE
UNFORTUNATE THING ABOUT THE
00:24:38FREEZE IS AND WHY WE THINK THAT
A FULL REPEAL WAS THE RIGHT
00:24:41THING.
THAT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT
00:24:42PREDICTABILITY.
LOOK, THAT'S NOT BEING
00:24:44ANTI-GREEN OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S SIMPLY SAYING IF YOU
00:24:47HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE
COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKETPLACE,
00:24:49YOU CAN DO IT.
THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF REASON
00:24:51WHY WIND ENERGY DOESN'T WORK
THE WAY ADVOCATES SAY IT DOES
00:24:55AND IT HAS TO DO WITH TECHNICAL
ASPECTS OF WHEN WIND BLOWS.
00:25:01THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE JUST NEED
TO LET THE MARKET MAKE SOME OF
00:25:04THESE DECISIONS.
ONE OF THE GREATEST PROBLEMS WE
00:25:05HAVE ACROSS THE BOARD IS WE
DON'T LET INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES
00:25:09DO IT.
WE PICK AND CHOOSE WINNERS AND
00:25:11LOSERS.
WE HAD A MANDATE THAT FORCED
00:25:14PEOPLE THAT HALF OF IT HAD TO
COME FROM SOLAR TECHNOLOGY.
00:25:17MAYBE 10% SHOULD COME FROM IT.
IF THE MARKET CAN DO IT AND DO
00:25:20IT RIGHT, IT WILL, ON ITS OWN,
WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT SAY THOU
00:25:24SHALT DO.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM PUTTING THE
00:25:26THUMB ON THE SCALES.
THIS IS AGAIN STUTTER STEPPING
00:25:29IT WAY.
WE WOULD HAVE PREFERRED MORE
00:25:32PREDICTABILITY AND AN
ELIMINATION.
00:25:33>> NEXT WEEK WE'LL BRING YOU
THE REST OF THAT CONVERSATION
00:25:37FEATURING TALK ON TAXES, ON
SCHOOL LEVIES, ON STATE
00:25:39SPENDING AND ON OTHER ISSUES.
BUT THAT IS IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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