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00:00:01>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF OHIO"
00:00:06COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES OF
PORTER, WRIGHT, ARTHUR LLP,
00:00:10HELPING TO SOLVE COMPLEX LEGAL
PROBLEMS ACROSS OHIO AND THE
00:00:14WORLD.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:18ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
131,000 TEACHERS, SUPPORT
00:00:24PROFESSIONALS AND HIGHER
EDUCATION FACULTY WORKING FOR
00:00:27GREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR EVERY
CHILD.
00:00:28>>
THE STATE BUDGET BROUGHT GAINS
00:00:32FOR OHIO'S BUSINESSES LARGE AND
SMALL.
00:00:34TWO LOBBYISTS WHO SPEAK UP FOR
BUSINESS IN OHIO SPEAK OUT ABOUT
00:00:37THE THINGS THEY LIKE IN THE
SPENDING PLAN AND THE THINGS
00:00:39THEY DON'T LIKE THAT MAY BE
AHEAD.
00:00:43AND TWO GAY RIGHTS GROUPS WHO'VE
PUBLICLY SPARRED OVER A SAME-SEX
00:00:44MARRIAGE AMENDMENT LOOK AHEAD TO
WHAT VOTERS MIGHT SEE ON THE
00:00:46BALLOT, AND WHEN.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:49OHIO."
THE STATE BUDGET INCLUDES A BIG
00:00:56WINDFALL FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
THERE'S A 50% INCOME TAX CUT FOR
00:00:58SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE BUDGET.
IT HAD BEEN STRIPPED OUT OF
00:01:06GOVERNER JOHN KASICH'S ORIGINAL
BUDGET PROPOSAL WHEN IT WENT TO
00:01:08THE HOUSE, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT
BACK IN THE SENATE VERSION.
00:01:10AND THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER
CHANGE -- KASICH'S PROPOSAL WAS
00:01:16A 50% TAX CUT ON THE FIRST
$750,000 OF INCOME, BUT THE
00:01:18FINAL BUDGET HAS THE TAX CUT
APPLIED TO THE FIRST $250,000,
00:01:21WHICH MEANS THAT A BUSINESS
EARNING $250,000 A YEAR WOULD
00:01:25SAVE $7000 DOLLARS.
THIS TAX CUT, AND AN ACROSS-THE-
00:01:39BOARD TAX CUT PHASED IN OVER
THREE YEARS TO REACH 10%, ARE
00:01:40PAID FOR WITH AN INCREASE IN THE
STATE SALES TAX FROM 5.5% TO
00:01:415.75%.
TO TALK ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF
00:01:42THESE INCOME TAX CUTS AND THE
SALES TAX INCREASE ON OHIO'S
00:01:44BUSINESSES, I'M JOINED BY
OFFICIALS FROM THE STATE'S TOP
00:01:47TWO ORGANIZATIONS THAT LOBBY FOR
OHIO'S BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
00:01:50DAN NAVIN IS AN ASSISTANT VICE
PRESIDENT OF TAX AND ECONOMIC
00:01:54POLICY AT THE OHIO CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE.
00:01:56AND CHRIS FERRUSO IS THE
LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE
00:01:59NATIONAL FEDERATION OF
INDEPENDENT BUSINESS, OHIO.SO,
00:02:07LET'S GO THROUGH THE MAJOR
ARGUMENTS WE HAVE FOR AND
00:02:09AGAINST THIS.
GOVERNOR KASICH SAID THE TAX
00:02:13CUTS MAKE OHIO MORE COMPETITIVE
AND SPARK ECONOMIC GROWTH.
00:02:17OPPONENTS OF THE BUDGET SAY THAT
INCOME TAX CUTS UNDER THE
00:02:21FEDERAL LEVEL, UNDER PRESIDENT
BUSH, AT THE STATE LEVEL, DID
00:02:26NOT CREATE JOBS, DID NOT SPARK
ECONOMIC GROWTH AND THIS PACKAGE
00:02:30HURTS THE POOR MORE THAN THE
RICH.
00:02:32STARTING WITH YOU, DAN NEVIN,
WHY SHOULD THEY CREATE JOBS?
00:02:38>> FIRST, WE HAVE TO DISCUSS
WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE TAX CUTS
00:02:44WERE IN THE LATE-2000'S,
BEGINNING IN 2005 ON WE DID THE
00:02:52LAST MAJOR TAX REDUCTION OR
TOMMY HANSON TAX REFORM, WHAT
00:02:56ENSUED AFTER WAS PROBABLY THE --
ON BEHALF OF TAX REFORM, WHAT
00:03:01ENSUED WAS PROBABLY THE MOST
DISRUPTIVE ECONOMIC RECESSION IN
00:03:05THE LIFETIME OF MANY.
I DO NOT THINK IT IS A UNFAIR TO
00:03:10EVALUATE THIS TAX CUT BASED ON
WHAT HAPPENED FOUR OR FIVE YEARS
00:03:15AGO.
HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK THE
00:03:18GOVERNOR IN PARTICULAR AND HOUSE
AND SENATE LEADERS WERE
00:03:21INNOVATIVE WITH THE SMALL
BUSINESS TAX CUT BECAUSE IT
00:03:25APPLIES TO EACH INDIVIDUAL THAT
IS AN OWNER OF A SMALL BUSINESS
00:03:29-- WHETHER YOU ARE A PASS-
THROUGH ENTITY, A PARTNERSHIP,
00:03:35AN S CORPORATION, A LIMITED
LIABILITY COMPANY, AND EVEN IF
00:03:38THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE OWNERS,
OR INVESTORS, THEY CAN PULL THE
00:03:45TAX CUTS TOGETHER, AND WE
BELIEVE IT WILL CAUSE AN
00:03:48EXPANSION OF BUSINESS
INVESTMENT.
00:03:49>> LET ME SQ TO WEIGH IN, CHRIS
FERRUSO -- LET ME ASK YOU TO
00:03:59WEIGH IN, CHRIS FERRUSO.
>> DAN NEVIN HIT THE NAIL ON THE
00:04:02HEAD.
SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THE JOB
00:04:05CREATORS, AND WE REFERRED TO
THEM AS THE BACKBONE OF THE
00:04:09ECONOMY.
WITH RESPECT TO THE OVERALL
00:04:12PACKAGE, ABSOLUTELY, AND THE
MAJORITY OF MY MEMBERS ARE
00:04:18STRUCTURED AS SO.
WE HAVE OVER 25,000 MEMBERS,
00:04:22SMALL, INDEPENDENTLY HELD
BUSINESSES IN THE STATE OF OHIO
00:04:27THAT WILL ENJOY THE USE OF THAT
CASH INFUSION, TYPICALLY TO
00:04:31REINVEST.
USING A COMMITMENT FROM PUBLIC
00:04:34POLICY MAKERS TO ALLOW SMALL
BUSINESSES TO DO WHAT THEY DO
00:04:37BEST, REINVEST IN SMALL BUSINESS
AND GROW THEM DOWN THE LINE,
00:04:42WHETHER IT IS THE EXPANSION OF
THE NEW EQUIPMENT THAT WILL LEAD
00:04:46TO THE EXPANSION OF THAT
BUSINESS, OR MORE BUSINESS THAT
00:04:48WILL LEAD TO THE HIRING OF
INDIVIDUALS.
00:04:51>> HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TALKING
ABOUT -- AN EARLY ANALYSIS BY
00:04:58"CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER" SHOWED
FOR 80% OF SMALL BUSINESSES, IT
00:05:06WOULD BE ABOUT $800.
FOR 95%, THEY MAKE 100 THOUSAND
00:05:13-- LESS THAN 100,000 A YEAR, AND
THEY WOULD SAVE AS MUCH AS
00:05:17$2100.
NEITHER NUMBER IS BIG ENOUGH TO
00:05:19CREATE A SINGLE JOB.
HOW DOES THIS TRANSLATE?
00:05:24>> I WILL NOT DISAGREE THAT THE
$2100 FIGURE IS NOT STAGGERING,
00:05:29BUT, AGAIN, IT IS CAPITAL THAT
CAN BE REINVESTED.
00:05:34WHETHER IT IS BUYING A NEW PIECE
OF EQUIPMENT -- WHATEVER
00:05:38INDUSTRY YOU ARE IN, IT COULD
VERY, AND ULTIMATELY LEAD TO JOB
00:05:41GROWTH.
$2100, CLEARLY, WILL NOT BE
00:05:45ENOUGH FOR A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE
FROM THE GET-GO, BUT THE REALITY
00:05:48IS IT SNOWBALLS INTO EXPANDING
YOUR BUSINESS AND ULTIMATELY
00:05:53GROWING TO THE POINT WHERE YOU
CAN DO THAT, SO IT COMES DOWN TO
00:05:56THE POINT OF WHO IS BETTER AT
SPENDING THE MONEY -- THE
00:06:01GOVERNMENT OR THE SMALL
BUSINESSES IN THE STATE THAT
00:06:03CREATE THE JOBS.
>> DAN, WHAT HAD.
00:06:04>> I WAS GOING TO EXPAND -- YOU
HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL
00:06:10THE SMALL BUSINESS TAX CUT FOR
EACH INDIVIDUAL INVESTOR, OWNER
00:06:15OR SHAREHOLDER, AND ALSO THE
MARGINAL CUT IN PERSONAL INCOME
00:06:19TAX RATE BECAUSE THAT SAME
INCOME WOULD POTENTIALLY QUALIFY
00:06:22FOR THE CUT, SO, PARTICULARLY
WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE OWNERS
00:06:27OF A COMPANY -- WHETHER THE
COMPANY IS $2 MILLION IN SALES
00:06:30OR $20 MILLION IN SALES, THAT
LEVEL OR MAGNITUDE OF TAX CUT
00:06:39CAN STILL BE POOLED TOGETHER
AMONG ALL OF THE OTHER
00:06:41SHAREHOLDERS, AND THEREFORE, IT
DWARFS, POTENTIALLY, THE $2100
00:06:49TAX CUT OR THE $400 TAX CUT THAT
YOU TALKED ABOUT, AND I THINK IT
00:06:54WILL FACILITATE AND ASSIST
BUSINESS OWNERS IN THEIR
00:06:55EXPANSION PLANS OR TO BRING ON
NEW PEOPLE.
00:07:00>> THE CHAMBER HAD BEEN
SUPPORTIVE OF THE OVERALL TAX
00:07:02REFORM PACKAGE, WHICH WAS A DEAL
STRUCK AND ANNOUNCED BY BILL
00:07:08BATCHELDER AND KEITH FABER.
IT INCLUDES THE SALES TAX
00:07:11INCREASE.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
00:07:13HOW DOES THAT WORK INTO YOUR
SUPPORT?
00:07:16>> WHETHER IT IS THE SALES TAX
CUT OR OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE
00:07:20PACKAGE, WE VIEW IT AS AN
OVERALL BALANCED TAX PACKAGE,
00:07:26PROBABLY THE TWO MAJOR CONCERNS
WE HAD ABOUT THE TAX REFORM
00:07:32EFFORT IT WENT THROUGH THE
LEGISLATURE WERE WE DID NOT WANT
00:07:36TO INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL
ACTIVITY TAX RATE, NUMBER ONE,
00:07:39AND NUMBER TWO, WE DID NOT WANT
TO SEE THE OVERALL BURDEN OF THE
00:07:43TAX PACKAGE SHIFT SUCKED
ACTUALLY TOWARD BUSINESSES,
00:07:47BECAUSE THAT WOULD, KIND OF,
NEGATE WHATEVER POSITIVE EFFECTS
00:07:53YOU ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
WE THINK THAT THE AGREEMENT
00:07:59FORGED BY LEGISLATIVE LEADERS
AND THE GOVERNOR I -- IS A
00:08:03BALANCED PACKAGE, AND WE THINK
IT WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL JOBS
00:08:06AND SPUR ADDITIONAL JOBS AND
INVESTMENT IN THE STATE.
00:08:12>> HOW TO SMALLER BUSINESSES
FEEL ABOUT THE SALES TAX
00:08:15INCREASE?
>> KAREN, AS YOU KNOW, THE
00:08:19ORIGINAL PLAN INCLUDED A ROUTER
EXPANSION.
00:08:22>> A LOWERING OF THE BASE.
THAT CORRECT.
00:08:25THERE WAS CONCERN FOR MY MEMBERS
INITIALLY.
00:08:29THIS INCREASE OF .25% IS PART OF
A BIGGER PACKAGE AND YOU HAVE TO
00:08:35LOOK IN TOTALITY.
WHEN YOU COUPLE THE PERSONAL
00:08:38INCOME TAX REDUCTION ALONG WITH
THE TREATMENT, IT WOULD NEGATE
00:08:46OR OFFSET POTENTIAL IMPACT FOR
MOST OHIOIANS WITH RESPECT TO
00:08:48THE 2.5 -- .25% INCREASE.
>> HELD LARGER BUSINESSES FEEL?
00:08:57-- HOW DO LARGER BUSINESSES
FEEL?
00:09:02IT WAS CONCERN ABOUT TREATING
SOME BUSINESSES DIFFERENTLY.
00:09:06>> I WOULD SAY THAT MOST OF YOUR
LARGER BUSINESSES, COMPANIES IN
00:09:10THE $500 MILLION PLUS IN SALES,
MOST OF THEM ARE SEE
00:09:15CORPORATIONS, WHERE YES, THEY
PAY THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY TAX,
00:09:22FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THEY ARE A
CORPORATION -- THEY DO NOT PAY
00:09:25AN INDIVIDUAL TAX ON THEIR SHARE
OF A COMPANY'S PROFITS.
00:09:30SO, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THEY
UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO IMPROVE
00:09:35SMALL BUSINESSES HE DOES, AFTER
ALL, A LOT OF THEIR SUPPLIERS --
00:09:41BUSINESSES, BECAUSE, AFTER ALL,
A LOT OF THEIR SUPPLIERS ARE
00:09:45SMALL BUSINESSES TO MUSTER THE
EFFORT TO APPLY ADDITIONAL TAX
00:09:48SAVINGS TO -- THE EFFORT TO
APPLY ADDITIONAL TAX SAVINGS, TO
00:09:57THE EXTENT IT DOES NOT LIMIT
THEIR ABILITY TO OPERATE, WHICH
00:10:01I DO NOT THINK THIS PACKAGE
MATERIALLY AFFECT, IS LOOKED
00:10:07UPON AS SOMETHING THE LARGER
BUSINESS COMMUNITY CAN LIVE
00:10:08WITH.
>> CHRIS, REPORTERS HAVE TALKED
00:10:14TO SOME SMALL BUSINESSES ABOUT
THIS, AND SOME SEEM THEY ARE A
00:10:18LITTLE SURPRISE THAT THESE CUTS
ARE BEING CALLED SIGNIFICANT
00:10:22BECAUSE THEY DO NOT FEEL IT IS
SIGNIFICANT FOR THEM.
00:10:24THEY ARE HAPPY TO GET THE MONEY
BACK, BUT IT IS NOT A
00:10:28SIGNIFICANT CUT, NOT SOMETHING
THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY SPARK
00:10:31BUSINESS GROWTH.
>> WELL, THAT COMES DOWN TO THE
00:10:36INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS OWNER, HOW
THE BUSINESS IS STRUCTURED AND
00:10:39HOW IT OPERATES.
EACH INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS IS
00:10:41DIFFERENT.
WHAT WORKS FOR CARE AND WHY NOT
00:10:44WORK FOR -- KAREN MIGHT NOT WORK
FOR DAN.
00:10:51THE REALITY IS YOU ARE COUPLING
FOR PASS-THROUGHS, THE 50%
00:10:57REDUCTION AND THE PERSONAL
INCOME REDUCTION OF 10%.
00:11:02I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH THE
NAYSAYERS WHO SAY MARGINAL RATES
00:11:04ARE TOO HIGH, BUT WHOLEHEARTEDLY
AGREE WHEN YOU LOOK AT
00:11:07NEIGHBORING STATES LIKE
PENNSYLVANIA, WHERE RATES ARE NO
00:11:11-- LOWER THAN OURS, AND WE HAVE
NINE BRACKETS.
00:11:16I WOULD NOT DISAGREE ON THAT,
BUT AGAIN, WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT
00:11:20TO ONE MIGHT NOT SEEM
SIGNIFICANT TO ANOTHER, BUT
00:11:24OVERALL WHEN YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT A $2.7 BILLION TAX CUT
00:11:27PACKAGE, THAT IS REAL MONEY.
>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE IDEA
00:11:32OF TAX BRACKETS STILL BEING TOO
HIGH.
00:11:33THAT IS THE GOVERNOR CATHOLIC --
GOVERNOR KASICH HAS SAID AND HE
00:11:40SAYS HE IS NOT DONE WITH
TAXCUTTING.
00:11:41DAN, WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE
IT GO FROM HERE?
00:11:47ARE THE PROPOSALS YOU HOPE THE
GOVERNOR IS CONSIDERING?
00:11:50BUT BEFORE I ANSWER THE
QUESTION, IS >> FOR I ANSWER THE
00:11:54QUESTION, LET ME ADD ON TO WHAT
CHRIS SAID IN OUR NEIGHBORING
00:11:59STATES ARE MOVING TO A FLAT TAX.
INDIANA IS A 3.5%.
00:12:04WHICH AGAIN IS AT 4.25%.
PENNSYLVANIA IS MOVING TOWARD A
00:12:11THREE PERCENT FLAT INCOME TAX.
WE SIT HERE IN OHIO WITH NINE
00:12:14BRACKETS WITH THE HIGHEST
BRACKET AND 5.9%, AND WHEN YOU
00:12:20ADD ON THE MUNICIPAL TAX, YOU
ARE TALKING 8%.
00:12:26WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT WITH OTHER
STATES THAT IMMEDIATELY SURROUND
00:12:28US, THAT IS A COMPETITIVE
DISADVANTAGE IN MY BOOK.
00:12:33IT IS THE TEXTBOOK DEFINITION.
I THINK THE NEXT FRONTIER, IF
00:12:40YOU WILL, OF TAX REFORM, IS
GOING TO HAVE TO BE A
00:12:44COMBINATION OF CUTTING DOWN ON
THE NUMBER OF ROCKETS,
00:12:49ULTIMATELY -- BRACKETS,
ULTIMATELY MOVING TO A
00:12:50COMPETITIVE, FLAT RATE OF
TAXATION UNDER THE PERSONAL
00:12:54INCOME TAX.
THIS WOULD PROBABLY TAKE A FAIR
00:12:59AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT I THINK IT
IS IN LINE WITH WHERE THE
00:13:00GOVERNOR WANTS TO GO, AND IT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE WE
00:13:05HAVE SAID ALL ALONG THROUGHOUT
THE PROCESS -- THE PERSONAL
00:13:08INCOME TAX RATES IN OHIO ARE NOT
COMPETITIVE.
00:13:10SO, THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO,
00:13:16ULTIMATELY, ALONG WITH THE
GOVERNMENT AND LEGISLATIVE
00:13:17LEADERS.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE TAX
00:13:21THAT SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS PAY
IS THE PERSONAL INCOME TAX, AND
00:13:29ULTIMATELY MY MEMBERSHIP IS ONE
THAT WOULD STRONGLY SUPPORT AND
00:13:31ELIMINATION, ULTIMATELY, OF THE
INCOME TAX, BUT HOW YOU GET
00:13:37THERE -- THERE ARE A LOT OF
DOUBLES IN THOSE DETAILS, BUT
00:13:39ULTIMATELY MY MEMBERS WOULD LIKE
TO SEE THE ULTIMATE ELIMINATION
00:13:44OF THE PERSONAL INCOME TAX.
>> ON THAT NOTE, YOU HAVE SOME
00:13:47FOLKS THAT SAY WE CUT TAXES AT
THE STATE LEVEL, WE DRIVE UP
00:13:52TAXES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.
SO, THAT IS THE CONCERN FOR A
00:13:59LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE WORRIED
ABOUT THE INCOME TAX CUT, AND IF
00:14:04YOU ELIMINATE IT OR DRIVE IT
DOWN, DO THE LOCAL PLAYERS NOT
00:14:07HAVE TO PICK UP THE LOCAL SLACK?
>> BUT ME ADDRESS THAT.
00:14:11FIRST OF ALL, -- LET ME ADDRESS
THAT.
00:14:14FIRST OF ALL, THIS BUDGET IS
SPENDING UPWARD OF ANOTHER 10%,
00:14:19EVEN WITH THE TAX CUT OVER THE
BELOW-YEAR -- TWO-YEAR BY IN.
00:14:26IT IS HARD FOR ME TO COMPREHEND
THAT EVERYONE IS BEING SHORTED
00:14:31UNDER THIS CURRENT OBJECT.
-- BUDGET.
00:14:35THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, CHRIS AND I ALONG
00:14:40WITH 25 OTHER BUSINESS
ORGANIZATIONS, ARE PUSHING AND
00:14:44INITIATIVE TO MAKE MORE UNIFORM
-- AN INITIATIVE TO MAKE MORE
00:14:48UNIFORM THE TAX SYSTEM, AND WE
HAVE HEARD SIMILAR COMPLAINTS
00:14:52ABOUT THAT, WHEN IT IS VERY
CLEAR FROM OUR STANDPOINT THAT
00:14:55WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO CORRECT
THE SYSTEM, MAKE IT AS REVENUE-
00:14:59NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE, AND WE ARE
GETTING RESISTANCE, FRANKIE,
00:15:04FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES, EVEN ON
THAT MODEST -- FRANKLY, FROM THE
00:15:09MUNICIPALITIES, EVEN ON THAT
MODEST OBJECTION.
00:15:10SO, IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE
WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING
00:15:15MUNICIPALITIES OR SCHOOL
DISTRICT, THAT THEY CAN'T
00:15:19COMPLAIN TOO MUCH WITH ANY LEVEL
OF CREDIBILITY THAT THEY ARE
00:15:21BEING SHORTED WITH SUPPORT FROM
THE STATE.
00:15:25>> THOUGHTS, CHRIS?
>> WE ARE TRYING AND WANTING TO
00:15:30SIMPLIFY OUR MUNICIPAL TAX
SYSTEM, AND IT IS HARD TO ARGUE
00:15:35THAT THE SIMPLER THE TAXES, THE
EASIER IT IS TO COMPLY WITH, AND
00:15:40THERE IS A POTENTIAL REVENUE
STREAM FROM BETTER COMPLIANCE.
00:15:42I GO BACK TO THE POINT THAT THIS
IS NOT A SHORT-TERM PLAN.
00:15:45THE POTENTIAL ELIMINATION OF THE
STATE INCOME TAXES LONG-TERM --
00:15:51TAX IS LONG-TERM AND DOWN THE
ROAD, AND YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT
00:15:58HOW YOU DO THAT AND NOT
JEOPARDIZE THE SERVICE THAT
00:15:59OHIOIANS WANT.
MS. APPELLATE IS DO HAVE THE
00:16:04ABILITY TO LEVY AN INCOME TAX,
-- MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THE
00:16:07ABILITY TO LEVY AN INCOME TAX,
AND MANY DO AND I THINK THE
00:16:11VOTERS WILL MAKE THOSE
DECISIONS, ULTIMATELY.
00:16:16>> BY THE WAY, HOUSE BILL FIVE
DOES NOT AFFECT THE
00:16:21MUNICIPALITY'S ABILITY TO RAISE
THEIR OWN RATES.
00:16:24>> NOR THE RATE ITSELF.
>> THAT IS ALL WHOLE OTHER SHOW.
00:16:30I WANT TO ASK ABOUT SOMETHING
NOT IN THE BUDGET, GOVERNOR K-
00:16:356'S -- GOVERNOR K-6 -- KASICH'S
MEDICARE EXPANSION PROPOSAL.
00:16:45IT WAS STRIPPED OUT OF THE HOUSE
AND SENATE VERSION.
00:16:48WHAT IS THE CHAMBER DOING NOW?
ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT
00:16:53LAWMAKERS OPPOSE TO IT?
>> WE HAVE BEEN HAVING
00:16:57DISCUSSIONS WITH VARIOUS
LAWMAKERS.
00:16:58BASICALLY ON THE GROUND THAT IN
TERMS OF -- THE REASON FOR OUR
00:17:05SUPPORT IS THAT WE THINK THAT
EVEN MORE UNCOMPENSATED CARE
00:17:10WOULD BE BORN BY THE PRIVATE
SECTOR, AND OTHERWISE, THE
00:17:14INSURED EMPLOYERS, IF WE DO NOT
HAVE MEDICARE EXPANSION --
00:17:21MEDICAID EXPANSION, AND IF WE DO
NOT HAVE MEDICAID EXPANSION
00:17:24PURSUANT TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE
ACT, EMPLOYERS COULD BE SUBJECT
00:17:26TO PENALTIES, UPWARDS OF $88
MILLION, ACCORDING TO A JACKSON
00:17:32HEWITT STUDY THAT WAS RECENTLY
RELEASED.
00:17:34SO, WE ARE STILL SUPPORTIVE OF
MEDICAID EXPANSION AND WE ARE
00:17:41HOPEFUL THAT ULTIMATELY IN
GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND IN THE
00:17:45GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, WE WILL BE
ABLE TO FORM -- FORGE AN
00:17:47AGREEMENT.
>> WOULD YOU BE ACTIVELY
00:17:51OPPOSING LAWMAKERS WORKING
AGAINST IT?
00:17:53>> WE ARE WORKING IN A MORE
COLLABORATIVE, POSITIVE -- WE
00:18:00ARE NOT LOOKING TO DO ANYTHING
ALONG THAT LINE POLITICALLY.
00:18:02>> I KNOW IN MICHIGAN, THEY HAD
OPPOSED MEDICAID EXPANSION, BUT
00:18:10I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE IT
ACTUALLY CAME TO BE SOME FORM OF
00:18:15LEGISLATION, SO HAS NFIB ISSUE
THOUGHTS ON MEDICARE EXPANSION?
00:18:23>> WE HAVE NOT FORMALIZED OUR
POSITION.
00:18:27WE ARE A MEMBER-DRIVEN
ORGANIZATION, SO THE MEMBERS
00:18:32WILL HELP TO DICTATE THAT, BUT I
WILL SHARE THERE IS CONCERN
00:18:34AMONG MEMBERS ABOUT A HUGE
PROGRAM -- ARGUABLY, I THINK IT
00:18:39IS THE LARGEST LINE ITEM, A HUGE
EXPENSE THAT HAS BEEN GROWING
00:18:45EXPONENTIALLY FOR DECADES ABOUT
WHAT COMMITMENT THERE IS FROM
00:18:49THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH
RESPECT TO UPHOLDING THEIR END
00:18:50OF THE BARGAIN, AND LONG-TERM,
ONCE THE AMOUNT THE FEDERAL
00:18:54GOVERNMENT REIMBURSES SKILLS
BACK, HOW THE STATE IS ABLE TO
00:19:01MANAGE THOSE COSTS AND PAY FOR
IT.
00:19:02WE ARE WATCHING WITH INTEREST
WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS DOING
00:19:07NOW.
THERE IS TALK ABOUT THEM COMING
00:19:08BACK TO DISCUSS MEDICAID REFORM
AND HOW THEY CONTROL THOSE
00:19:11COSTS, SO WE ARE VERY INTERESTED
IN LISTENING AND WEIGHING IN ON
00:19:16THOSE DISCUSSIONS WHEN
APPROPRIATE.
00:19:17>> DAN NAVIN AND CHRIS RUSSO,
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
00:19:212014 SEEMS A LONG WAY AWAY, BUT
IN POLITICAL TIME, IT'S NOT.
00:19:23RACES FOR THE FIVE EXECUTIVE
OFFICES ON NEXT YEAR'S BALLOT
00:19:26ARE DEFINITELY UNDERWAY, AND
THERE'S EVEN MOVEMENT ON SOME
00:19:29POSSIBLE ISSUE CAMPAIGNS.
A GROUP THAT WANTS TO BLOCK AND
00:19:32EVENTUALLY OVERTURN THE NEW
CRACKDOWN ON AN ESTIMATED 800
00:19:36INTERNET CAFES IS GATHERING
SIGNATURES FOR NEXT YEAR'S
00:19:39BALLOT.
THERE'S ALSO THE POTENTIAL
00:19:43AMENDMENT TO LEGALIZE SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE IN OHIO.
00:19:45LAST WEEK I TALKED TO THE TWO
LGBT COMMUNITY LEADERS WHO ARE
00:19:48ARGUABLY THE MOST INFLUENTIAL
PLAYERS IN THIS DEBATE -- IAN
00:19:51JAMES, THE HEAD OF FREEDOMOHIO,
WHICH IS PUSHING THE BALLOT
00:19:54ISSUE FOR NEXT YEAR, AND
ELYZABETH HOLFORD, EXECUTIVE
00:19:58DIRECTOR OF EQUALITY OHIO, THE
STATE'S LARGEST LGBT RIGHTS
00:20:01ORGANIZATION.
JAMES AND HOLFORD HAVE
00:20:05DIFFERENCES OF OPINION OVER
WHETHER LEGALIZED SAME-SEX
00:20:08MARRIAGE IN OHIO COULD BE
APPROVED NEXT YEAR, JUST TEN
00:20:11YEARS AFTER OHIO VOTERS APPROVED
AN AMENDMENT DEFINING MARRIAGE
00:20:15AS ONLY BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE
WOMAN.
00:20:18THOUGH JAMES HAS SAID HIS
CAMPAIGN IS MOVING FORWARD
00:20:21TOWARD 2014, HE TOLD ME NO FINAL
DECISION HAS BEEN MADE.
00:20:26IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH YOU
CAN'S TURN BACK?HAVE WE REACHED
00:20:33THAT POINT ALREADY?
ARE YOU ON THE 2014 BALLOT, AND
00:20:40IT CANNOT BE TURNED AROUND?
>> IT ULTIMATELY COMES DOWN TO
00:20:41RESOURCES.
ELIZABETH ORFORD IS RIGHT.
00:20:46-- ELYZABETH HOLFORD IS RIGHT.
IS THE POLLING SHOWING A CLEAR
00:20:51PATH FORWARD, AND WE HAVE UNTIL
JULY TO DO THAT.
00:20:55YOU CANNOT WIN UNLESS YOU DO,
AND YOU CANNOT WIN BY NOT DOING,
00:21:02SO I AM ENCOURAGED TO HEAR
ALLIES IN THE TALL FOR TALK
00:21:05ABOUT WHAT EQUALITY OHIO --
ELYZABETH HOLFORD TALK ABOUT
00:21:12WHAT EQUALITY OHIO IS DOING TO
BRING ORGANIZATIONS TOGETHER AND
00:21:15ONCE WE GET CLOSER TO JULY, WE
WILL GET CLOSER TO THAT
00:21:17DECISION.
>> IN THAT YEAR, WHAT WILL YOU
00:21:21DO FOR EQUALITY OHIO, --
EQUALITY OHIO?
00:21:24>> WE'LL BE TRYING TO GAIN
SUPPORT FOR THE TIME THAT IS
00:21:30RIGHT.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE POLLING
00:21:33NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.
WE DID POLLING BEFORE.
00:21:35WE SHOW THERE WAS NOT A -- A
BUMP FROM ROB PORTMAN.
00:21:43WILL THERE BE ONE?
I WOULD SAY HOPEFULLY, BUT WE DO
00:21:51NOT KNOW UNTIL WE WORK WITH THE
NUMBERS FROM DOMA.
00:21:55THAT IS NOT TO SAY I AM NOT
PASSIONATE ABOUT MARRIAGE
00:22:00EQUALITY OR THAT WE CANNOT
ACHIEVE MARRIAGE EQUALITY AND
00:22:03OHIO, BUT WE HAVE STEPS TO TAKE
THAT ARE MORE THAN CONVERSATIONS
00:22:06ON THE GROUND, BUT ARE REALLY A
STRATEGICALLY AND TACTICALLY
00:22:09PLANNED CAMPAIGN ACROSS OHIO,
NOT JUST WITH VOLUNTEERS THEY GO
00:22:13ONLINE AND PULLED DOWN A BALLOT
BOOKLET AND FILL IT.
00:22:18THAT IS A GREAT THING TO DO, AND
THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO
00:22:21THAT, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE
TRAINED ON AROUND THE STATE --
00:22:27TRAINING DONE AROUND THE STATE
WITH VOLUNTEERS TO MOVE PEOPLE
00:22:31TOWARD NOT JUST SUPPORTING US,
BUT TOWARDS COMING OUT IN THE
00:22:35YEAR THAT WE PUT THAT AMENDMENT
ON THE BALLOT.
00:22:36>>
YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THAT
00:22:40INTERVIEW FROM LAST WEEK AT OUR
WEBSITE, STATENEWS.ORG, AT
00:22:42IDEASTREAM.ORG OR ON THE OHIO
CHANNEL'S WEBSITE.
00:22:44NEXT WEEK, A SPECIAL TREAT FOR
REAL BUDGET GEEKS -- A RETURN OF
00:22:48TWO OF OUR FAVORITE EXPERTS ON
THE STATE BUDGET AND STATEHOUSE
00:22:50POLITICS.
I TALKED TO REPUBLICAN NEIL
00:22:53CLARK AND DEMOCRAT BILL SHKURTI
FOR NEXT WEEK'S SHOW.
00:23:00IN THE 1980'S, CLARK WAS THE
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR THE
00:23:02OHIO SENATE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS
AND SHKURTI WAS THE BUDGET
00:23:05DIRECTOR FOR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNER
RICHARD CELESTE.
00:23:07HERE'S WHAT THEY SAID WHEN I
ASKED THEM ABOUT THE FUTURE OF
00:23:09THE SEVERANCE TAX ON LARGER OIL
AND NATURAL GAS DRILLERS, WHICH
00:23:11WAS STRIPPED BY REPUBLICAN
LAWMAKERS FROM GOVERNER KASICH'S
00:23:14BUDGET PROPOSAL.
IS THERE ONE?
00:23:20>> OH, IT'S GOING TO COME.>> IT
IS SHAMEFUL.
00:23:25>> IT IS GOING TO COME.
IT IS A LEGISLATIVE THING.
00:23:29>> IS IT A LEGISLATIVE THING,
WILL IT BE ON THE BALLOT?
00:23:33>> I HOPE IT IS NOT ON THE
BALLOT DURING IT IS VERY --
00:23:37BALLOT.
IT WOULD BE REALLY BIG.
00:23:39THERE NEEDS TO BE A REASONABLE
POLICY WITH A REASONABLE TAX.
00:23:43THINK THE GOVERNOR WAS TOO LOW.
>> I WOULD AGREE, BUT AT LEAST
00:23:50THE GOVERNOR PROPOSED SOMETHING.
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE THEY
00:23:53ARE CHEWING UP ROADS AND USING
UP INFRASTRUCTURE.
00:23:55>> IT IS RESEARCH THAT WILL BE
DEPLETED IN 15 OR 20 YEARS AND
00:24:01WE WILL NOT HAVE TAKEN WILL BE
NEEDED TO REPORT.
00:24:02I DO NOT CARE ABOUT CREATING NEW
WALMARTS ETC., BECAUSE WHEN THE
00:24:10DRILLING STOPS, THE WALMARTS
CLOSE.
00:24:14I HAVE SEEN THAT ALREADY IN
OHIO.
00:24:15>>
MORE ON THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE
00:24:19STATE BUDGET -- WHAT'S IN IT,
WHAT'S NOT, AND WHAT THEY THINK
00:24:21NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IMMEDIATELY
ON NEXT WEEK'S SHOW.
00:24:23BUT THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO PUBLIC
00:24:25RADIO AND TELEVISION, THANKS FOR
WATCHING.
00:24:27IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS,
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00:24:29WEEK'S SHOW OR EARLIER EPISODES,
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00:24:31STATENEWS.ORG.
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00:24:34FACEBOOK, AND YOU CAN FOLLOW JO
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00:24:36TWITTER.
AND PLEASE JOIN US AGAIN NEXT
00:24:38TIME FOR "THE STATE OF OHIO."
WE LEAVE YOU NOW WITH SIGHT AND
00:24:40SOUNDS OF THE OHIO STATE FAIR.>>
WELCOME TO THE 2013 OHIO STATE
00:24:46FAIR.
THE 160TH OHIO STATE FAIR.
00:24:52GOVERNOR KASICH, IF YOU WOULD
COME UP.
00:24:56LET'S GIVE THEM A ROUND OF
APPLAUSE.
00:24:57WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR
SUPPORT AND EVERYTHING.
00:25:01GOVERNOR, IT IS A GREAT HONOR
FOR ME TO INTRODUCE YOU TO SAY A
00:25:05FEW WORDS.
THANK YOU, GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH.
00:25:08>> I AM EXCITED TO GO THROUGH
THE FAIR AGAIN THIS YEAR, AND
00:25:14OPERATION SHADE IS UNDERWAY.
WE HAVE NINE TREES PLANTED OUT
00:25:19HERE.
LAST YEAR I SAID I THOUGHT IT
00:25:21WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD SHAED
THE ENTIRE FAIRGROUND -- SHADE
00:25:28THE ENTIRE FAIRGROUND WHERE
FAMILIES COULD ENJOY THEMSELVES
00:25:31AND NOT FEEL LIKE THEY ARE
WALKING AROUND ON A HOT SKILLET,
00:25:34SO WE JUST STARTED WITH THESE
NINE TREES.
00:25:35SOME HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT TO
MANAGE, BUT NOT BECAUSE OF THE
00:25:40TECHNOLOGY CONNECTED TO THEM.
WE THINK WE HAVE HIT ON
00:25:43SOMETHING.
TO SAY THANK YOU TO OHIO STATE
00:25:46UNIVERSITY FOR THEIR WORK -- WE
WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE
00:25:51OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY FOR THEIR
WORK.
00:25:52>> WE WILL DO A COUNTDOWN.
READY, GOVERNOR QUESTION MARK 1,
00:25:592, -- GOVERNOR?
ONE, TWO, THREE.
00:26:05WELCOME TO THE OHIO STATE FAIR.
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