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PORTER, WRIGHT, MORRIS, AND
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LEGAL PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO
00:00:12AND AROUND THE WORLD.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:14ASSOCIATION.
100,000 TEACHERS, SUPPORT
00:00:21PROFESSIONALS, AND HIGHER
EDUCATION FACULTY, COMMITTED TO
00:00:24THE SUCCESS OF EVERY CHILD.
>> THE AD WAR BEGINS IN THE
00:00:25GOVERNOR'S RACE.
A CRITICAL RULING COMES DOWN ON
00:00:27SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN OHIO.
AND THE SPONSOR OF A
00:00:30CONTROVERSIAL BILL TO FREEZE
OHIO'S ENERGY STANDARDS LAW IS
00:00:33HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:38OHIO."
CAPTIONED BY THE
00:00:42NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE
--WWW.NCICAP.ORG--
00:00:44>> THOUGH THERE'S BEEN NO
OFFICIAL KICKOFF FOR THE
00:00:50REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, THE
GOVERNOR'S RACE IS WELL UNDERWAY
00:00:52WITH THE LAUNCH OF THE FIRST TV
AD.
00:00:55THE AD, CALLED "DELIVER," WAS
RELEASED A DAY EARLY ON GOVERNOR
00:00:58JOHN KASICH'S CAMPAIGN WEBSITE.
IT WILL AIR FOR THE NEXT TWO
00:01:02WEEKS IN MAJOR TV MARKETS,
COURTESY OF A REPORTED $350,000
00:01:08MEDIA BUY, THOUGH THE KASICH
CAMPAIGN WILL NOT CONFIRM THAT
00:01:11DOLLAR FIGURE.
>> OHIO FAMILIES ARE STRUGGLING,
00:01:18AND'S -- JOHN KASICH'S POLICIES
ARE MAKING IT EVEN HARDER.
00:01:26JOHN KASICH RAISE TAXES ON
MIDDLE-CLASS AND SENIORS, WHILE
00:01:28GIVING THE WEALTHY EIGHT TAX CUT
HE SAID WOULD CREATE JOBS.
00:01:31>> NOT TO BE OUTDONE, THE
CAMPAIGN OF HIS LIKELY
00:01:33DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT, ED
FITZGERALD, LAUNCHED A STATEWIDE
00:01:35AD CAMPAIGN ON RADIO THIS WEEK
AS WELL.
00:01:37KASICH HAS $7.9 MILLION IN THE
BANK.
00:01:40FITZGERALD HAS $1.4 MILLION, AND
THIS IS EXPECTED TO BE ONE OF
00:01:43THE MOST EXPENSIVE GOVERNOR'S
RACES IN OHIO HISTORY.
00:01:48A FEDERAL JUDGE HAS PUT ON HOLD
THE MAJORITY OF WHAT ATTORNEYS
00:01:53AND OTHERS HAVE CALLED A
"MOMENTOUS" CHANGE TO OHIO'S LAW
00:01:55ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
JUDGE TIMOTHY BLACK ON WEDNESDAY
00:01:58STAYED HIS RULING ORDERING OHIO
TO RECOGNIZE THE MARRIAGES OF
00:02:01GAY COUPLES WHO WED IN OTHER
STATES.
00:02:04BUT HE MADE AN EXCEPTION FOR THE
FOUR COUPLES WHO FILED THE
00:02:07FEBRUARY LAWSUIT THAT LED TO THE
COURT CASE, ORDERING OHIO TO
00:02:11IMMEDIATELY LIST BOTH SPOUSES IN
EACH RELATIONSHIP AS PARENTS ON
00:02:15THEIR CHILDREN'S BIRTH
CERTIFICATES.
00:02:18ALL OTHER MARRIED GAY COUPLES IN
THE STATE WILL SEE NO IMMEDIATE
00:02:20TANGIBLE EXPANSION OF THEIR
RIGHTS UNTIL AN APPEALS COURT
00:02:23DECIDES TO UPHOLD OR OVERTURN
BLACK'S RULING.
00:02:28THAT LIKELY WILL TAKE MONTHS.
ATTORNEY GENERAL MIKE DEWINE HAS
00:02:34ANNOUNCED HE WILL REPEAL THE
DECISION.
00:02:36CALEIGH BOURGEOIS
TAKES A LOOK INSIDE THIS DEBATE,
00:02:47WHICH COULD FIND ITS WAY TO THE
HIGHEST COURT IN THE COUNTRY.
00:02:48>> THE STATE OF OHIO DOES NOT
SEE THEIR EIGHTH WEDDING
00:02:54ANNIVERSARY THAT WAY.
RICK AND TOM WERE LEGALLY
00:02:57MARRIED IN ANOTHER STATE.
THEY LIVE TOGETHER IN A
00:03:00BEAUTIFUL HOME, SOMETIMES ARGUE
WITH EACH OTHER --
00:03:05>> HE MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT WAS
MORE THAN IT WAS.
00:03:06>> AND ARE RAISING TWO DAUGHTERS
TOGETHER.
00:03:08>> IF I HAD TO THROW MYSELF IN
FRONT OF A BUS TO PROTECT MY
00:03:14CHILD --
>> BUT ONLY ONE OF THEM COULD
00:03:17LEGALLY ADOPT THE GIRLS.
A CINCINNATI ATTORNEY
00:03:22REPRESENTED THE COUPLES IN THE
CASES THAT LED TO THE RULING
00:03:24THIS WEEK FOR AN JUDGE TIMOTHY
BLACK.
00:03:25>> OHIO SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED
FOR FIGHTING THESE LOVING
00:03:28COUPLES IN THEIR EFFORTS TO
SECURE JUSTICE.
00:03:31>> BUT JUDGE BLACK'S DECISION IS
NOT FINAL.
00:03:35THE CASES, MOSTLY INVOLVING
PARENTAL RIGHTS TO CHILDREN
00:03:41RAISED BY GAY COUPLES, ARE
MOVING TO THE APPEALS COURT, AND
00:03:44MIGHT EVEN GO HIGHER THAN THAT
WILL STOP >> THIS MAKES
00:03:47ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE, ESPECIALLY
IN AN ERA WHERE WE ARE EAGER TO
00:03:51MAKE SURE WE DO NOT HAVE
DEADBEAT PARENTS, THAT WE DO NOT
00:03:57HAVE PARENTS IN THE NEGLECT OF
RESPONSIBILITIES, THAT WE DO
00:03:58HAVE TWO PARENT FAMILIES
WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
00:04:00>> THE CASE COULD EVEN MAKE ITS
WAY TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT,
00:04:05BUT UNTIL DECISIONS ARE REACHED,
COUPLES LIKE RICK AND TOM ARE
00:04:10STILL WINNING TO SHARE LEGAL
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR
00:04:12DAUGHTERS.
>> WHEN WE ADOPTED OUR CHILDREN,
00:04:16WE ARE THEIR PARENTS.
I AM THEIR FATHER.
00:04:18HE IS THEIR FATHER.
>> AFTER THE SUPREME COURT
00:04:22DECISION THAT LEGALLY MARRIED
SAME-SEX COUPLES MUST BE
00:04:25PROVIDED FEDERAL BENEFITS, THERE
IS NO TRACTION AND NEW
00:04:29CRITICISM.
JOHN BECKER OF CINCINNATI IS SO
00:04:33PASSIONATE ABOUT MARRIAGE BEING
BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN THAT
00:04:35HE IS ASKING CONGRESS TO IMPEACH
JUDGE BLACK BECAUSE OF THIS
00:04:40RULING.
>> YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF THE
00:04:41QUESTION -- WHY COULDN'T I APPLY
THE SAME ARGUMENT TO POLYGAMY?
00:04:46WHY COULDN'T I APPLY THE SAME
ARGUMENT TO CIVIL MARRIAGES?
00:04:50OR EVEN PARENT ADULT CHILD
MARRIAGES?
00:04:56YOU COULD EVEN CROSS A LINE --
DO WE EVEN INCLUDE ANIMALS?
00:05:0120 YEARS AGO, WE THOUGHT
HOMOSEXUALITY WAS TOO FAR.
00:05:06>> YOU ARE COMPARING GAY
MARRIAGE TO?
00:05:09>> IN THE SENSE OF EXPANDING
MARRIAGE FROM THE DEFINITION OF
00:05:13ONE MAN TO ONE WOMAN -- WHERE
DOES THAT AND?
00:05:17>> BECKER SAYS HE BELIEVES THE
DECISION SHOULD NOT BE UP TO
00:05:23JUDGES.
BUT TOM SAYS BENEATH ALL THE
00:05:25POLITICS, THERE IS PAIN.
>> I WONDER IF THEY REALLY
00:05:28UNDERSTAND THAT THAT DECISION IS
HURTING PEOPLE.
00:05:31>> IN THE MEANTIME, RICK AND TOM
ARE SERVING AS ADVOCATES.
00:05:35THEY RECENTLY ORGANIZED A
MARRIAGE CARAVAN TO CHICAGO,
00:05:42WHERE THREE SAME-SEX COUPLES
TIED THE KNOT JUST IN TIME FOR
00:05:44JUDGE BLACK'S DECISION.
BUT TOM SAYS THE MOST MEANINGFUL
00:05:48GESTURE TAKES A LITTLE LESS
EFFORT.
00:05:49>> I THINK THE MOST POWERFUL
EDUCATION IS BEING YOURSELF,
00:05:53HAVING A PICTURE ON YOUR DESK,
AND NOT EVEN NECESSARILY
00:05:57ADVOCATING.
JUST BEING YOURSELF -- THAT IS
00:06:00WHAT IS POWERFUL.
>> KAYLEE BOURGEOIS -- CALEIGH
00:06:07BOURGEOIS.
>> CALEIGH BOURGEOIS IS A FELLOW
00:06:11IN THE E.W. SCRIPPS SCHOOL OF
JOURNALISM STATEHOUSE NEWS
00:06:13BUREAU.
THERE ARE 88 COUNTY COURTHOUSES
00:06:14IN OHIO, AND MANY OF THEM ARE
SPECTACULAR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
00:06:1669 OF THEM ARE LISTED ON THE
NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC
00:06:17PLACES.
OTHERS ARE BRAND NEW AND FEATURE
00:06:19THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY.
AND WHILE THEY ALL HOUSE
00:06:21DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND HOST A
VARIETY OF OFFICES, ALL OF THEM
00:06:24HAVE AT LEAST ONE COMMON PURPOSE
-- TO CONDUCT THE JUDICIAL
00:06:28BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY COMMON
PLEAS COURT.
00:06:31THAT BRINGS UP A QUESTION -- HOW
WILL THESE COURTHOUSES CONTINUE
00:06:34TO DO THAT WELL INTO THE 21ST
CENTURY?
00:06:37A GROUP OF STATE AGENCIES AND
INTERESTED ORGANIZATIONS WILL
00:06:39DISCUSS THAT AT A PUBLIC EVENT
NEXT MONTH.
00:06:42HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE OHIO
COUNTY COURTHOUSES SYMPOSIUM IS
00:06:46THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE OHIO
SUPREME COURT, MAUREEN O'CONNOR.
00:06:54THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
HERE.
00:06:54>> MY PLEASURE.
>> THE COURT SYSTEM IS
00:06:56INTERESTING, BECAUSE IT IS
HISTORIC, BUT RELIES ON THE
00:07:02LATEST TECHNOLOGY.
WE HAVE COURTHOUSES ON BOTH
00:07:05EXTREMES, SO TO SPEAK.
>> WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RETROFIT
00:07:09MANY OF THESE COURTHOUSES.
THAT WAS A CHALLENGE.
00:07:11OUR OWN JUDICIAL CENTER IS A
PERFECT EXAMPLE OF IT FACILITY
00:07:17THAT WAS CREATED FROM 1920 92
1931 -- 1929 TO 1931.
00:07:25THAT IS STATE-OF-THE-ART AND
NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED.
00:07:30WE WERE ABLE TO PUT IN THE
TECHNOLOGY AND CONTINUE TO
00:07:36UPDATE THE TECHNOLOGY.
YOU KNOW TECHNOLOGY IS NOT A
00:07:38STATIC THING.
WE ARE CONSTANTLY IN NEED OF
00:07:42SOME UPDATING, AND HAVE DONE
THAT OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
00:07:44WE KNOW FIRSTHAND THE CHALLENGES
BOTH IN THE RENTER FITTING, THE
00:07:47RESTORATION, AND KEEPING IT
STATE-OF-THE-ART.
00:07:52FOR TO NA LI, WE HAVE THE
BUDGET, THANKS TO MANY STATE
00:07:58LEGISLATORS AND TWO GOVERNORS.
WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE.
00:08:00OTHER PLACES DO NOT HAVE THAT
FINANCIAL BACKING, AND IT IS
00:08:09RELEGATED TO THE LOCAL
GOVERNMENT TO BE ABLE TO RESTORE
00:08:14IT WHEN NECESSARY, AND CERTAINLY
THE MAINTENANCE.
00:08:16>> I WAS GOING TO ASK.
MONEY HAS TO BE THE BIGGEST
00:08:20CHALLENGE.
AND YOU HAVE SMALL COURTHOUSES
00:08:21WHERE THERE IS NOT THE BIGGEST
BUDGET.
00:08:23HOW DO YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH
BUDGET ISSUES?
00:08:32>> THAT WILL BE EXPLORED, HOW TO
BE CREATIVE WITH THOSE FUNDING
00:08:37SOURCES.
HOW YOU CAN LOOK FOR FUNDING
00:08:41SOURCES WITHIN A COUNTY
GOVERNMENT TO DO THAT.
00:08:45WE HAVE SPEAKERS COMING IN FROM
VIRGINIA AND OTHER PLACES, WHO
00:08:50WILL TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE
ON THEIR LEVEL, AND HOW THEY MET
00:08:53THOSE CHALLENGES.
IT GOES TO THEM TO FIRST
00:09:00ESTABLISH THE APPRECIATION FOR
THE COURTHOUSES.
00:09:01I DO NOT KNOW THAT EVERYBODY
UNDERSTANDS WE HAVE THESE TOOLS
00:09:05SITUATED AMONGST OUR 88
COUNTIES.
00:09:08THEY STAND FOR MORE THAN JUST A
BUILDING IN THE ABSTRACT.
00:09:13THEY ARE HISTORICAL,
ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT,
00:09:17INSTITUTIONALLY SIGNIFICANT,
WHAT HAS HAPPENED FROM THE DATA
00:09:22IT OPENED THEIR DOORS.
YOU MENTIONED SECURITY.
00:09:29THAT IS A HUGE THING.
WHAT MANY OF THE COURTHOUSES
00:09:32HAVE DONE TO DEAL WITH SECURITY
IS TO CLOSE CERTAIN DOORS, AND
00:09:34TO LIMIT ACCESS TO THE COURT
THROUGH ONE OR TWO PORTALS THAT
00:09:38CAN BE MANNED WITH LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT, AND GO THROUGH THE
00:09:44ELECTRIC SURVEILLANCE.
WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
00:09:48NOBODY IS DISCOUNTING THAT.
THE CHALLENGE IS TO EDUCATE THE
00:09:51PUBLIC, TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE
THAT HOLD THE PURSE STRINGS, TO
00:09:57IDENTIFY THE NEEDS, FIGURE OUT
HOW MUCH WE ARE GOING TO NEED IN
00:10:00ORDER TO MEET THOSE NEEDS, AND
GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
00:10:02>> WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
>> THE STATE'S ALTERNATIVE
00:10:13ENERGY STANDARDS HAVE BEEN LAW
SINCE 2008.
00:10:16THEY REQUIRE THAT 25% OF THE
ELECTRICITY SOLD IN OHIO COME
00:10:19FROM ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES
BY 2025.
00:10:22AND AT LEAST HALF OF THAT MUST
BE GENERATED BY RENEWABLE
00:10:25SOURCES SUCH AS WIND, SOLAR,
GEOTHERMAL, HYDROPOWER OR
00:10:29BIOMASS, AND HALF OF THAT MUST
BE GENERATED WITHIN OHIO.
00:10:33SOME HAVE PRAISED THOSE
STANDARDS AS ENVIRONMENTALLY
00:10:35SOUND AND A GOOD PLAN FOR
DIVERSIFICATION OF ENERGY
00:10:38SOURCES, WHICH THEY SAY WILL
SAVE RATEPAYERS MONEY.
00:10:45BUT OTHERS HAVE ADVOCATED A
REVISITING OF THAT LAW, SAYING
00:10:47THE ENERGY LANDSCAPE HAS CHANGED
AND THAT THE STANDARDS ARE
00:10:51COSTING UTILITIES, AND
RATEPAYERS, MORE MONEY THAN THE
00:10:54BENEFITS THEY'RE RECEIVING.
A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE REVISED
00:10:57THOSE STANDARDS AND MADE IT
EASIER FOR UTILITIES TO DEAL
00:11:00WITH THEM STALLED IN THE
LEGISLATURE LAST YEAR.
00:11:03NOW THERE'S A NEW BILL THAT
WOULD FREEZE THEM AT THE END OF
00:11:06THIS YEAR, WHILE A TASK FORCE
LOOKS INTO THE COSTS OF THE
00:11:09STANDARDS AND THE BENEFITS OF
THEM.
00:11:11HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT BILL IS
ITS SPONSOR, SENATOR TROY
00:11:14BALDERSON, A REPUBLICAN OF
ZANESVILLE.
00:11:21LET ME ASK YOU A BASIC QUESTION
ABOUT THIS, IN TERMS OF -- SOME
00:11:26PEOPLE HAVE CALLED THIS A
FREEZE.
00:11:27SOME OF IT -- SOME OF THEM HAVE
CALLED IT A REPEAL.
00:11:31WHICH IS IT?
>> IT IS A FREEZE.
00:11:33WE ARE NOT SHUTTING WINDMILLS
DOWN.
00:11:36WE ARE NOT SHUTTING CONTRACTS
OFF.
00:11:39WE ARE HOLDING THE LEVEL WE ARE
RIGHT NOW FOR 2014.
00:11:42>> IS THERE A GUARANTEE THAT WE
WOULD COME BACK TO THE ENERGY
00:11:47STANDARDS NEXT YEAR, THE YEAR
AFTER THAT?
00:11:48>> THERE IS A GUARANTEE AFTER
THE STUDY.
00:11:52WHAT THE STUDY BRINGS WOULD BE
THE PROPOSAL TO MOVE FORWARD
00:11:57WITH.
>> HOW DOES THIS DIFFER FROM
00:12:00SENATOR SEITZ'S BILL, WHICH
CAUSED CONTROVERSY LAST YEAR?
00:12:06>> I WORKED WITH SENATOR SEITZ
ON A LOT OF THAT BILL.
00:12:09IF THERE IS ONE THING WE LEARNED
THIS WHOLE PROCESS -- THAT IS
00:12:14WHY WE ARE DOING IT DIFFERENTLY
THIS TIME -- IS SENATE BILL 58
00:12:18HAD UNANSWERED QUESTIONS FROM
BOTH SIDES.
00:12:19THE NUMBERS ARE JUST NOT THERE.
IT IS PRO-OR IT IS CALM.
00:12:23WE FELT BY DOING IT THIS WAY AND
DOING A FREEZE, TAKE A TIMEOUT,
00:12:30STUDY WHAT WE HAVE, LOOK AT THE
NUMBERS, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT
00:12:35ECONOMICS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
>> YOU SAY THE NUMBERS ARE NOT
00:12:39THERE.
WHY DOES THE LAW NEED TO BE
00:12:45CHANGED?
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING
00:12:47ABOUT, WHEN YOU SAY THE NUMBERS
ARE NOT THERE?
00:12:49>> IT NEEDS TO BE MAY BE
REWORKED.
00:12:51SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS DO THIS
ALL THE TIME.
00:12:55THEY MAKE DECISIONS.
THEY MAKE CHANGES.
00:13:04THE BUSINESS PLAN MAY NOT BE
GOING TO THE CUSTOMER
00:13:05SATISFACTION RATE THEY MAY WANT.
>> A LOT OF THE GENERATION OF
00:13:19THE FIRST BILL CAME FROM THE BIG
UTILITIES.
00:13:20IS THIS COMING FROM FIRSTENERGY,
OR SOMEWHERE ELSE?
00:13:23>> THIS IS COMING FROM THE
CONSUMERS.
00:13:27THIS IS NOT ABOUT UTILITIES AND
RENEWABLE ENERGY COMPANIES.
00:13:32THIS IS ABOUT THE CONSUMER.
THE CONSUMERS ARE PAYING FOR
00:13:37THESE COSTS.
TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS ARE IN
00:13:42LINE, SO THEY ARE GETTING THE
MOST BANG FOR THEIR BUCK.
00:13:45>> YOU HAVE CUSTOMERS SAYING, MY
BILLS ARE TOO HIGH.
00:13:48>> I AM ONE OF THOSE AND
SIMMERS.
00:13:50MANY HAVE SAID THE SAME THING.
ELECTRIC BILLS HAVE CONTINUALLY
00:13:56GONE UP.
I THINK THAT IS WHO WE NEED TO
00:13:58REPORT TO AND THAT IS WHO I AM
UP HERE TO REPRESENT.
00:14:01>> YOU BELIEVE THE BILLS ARE
GOING UP BECAUSE OF THE ENERGY
00:14:06STANDARDS, NOT BECAUSE OF OTHER
MARKET FORCES, GREATER ENERGY
00:14:08DEMAND.
>> THERE ARE FACTORS IN THERE.
00:14:12THE SHALE PLAY IS A VERY BIG
DEAL.
00:14:16THAT IS SOMETHING WE DID NOT
KNOW WAS COMING.
00:14:19THAT IS PART OF THE ECONOMIC
CHANGE COMING INTO PLAY RIGHT
00:14:23NOW.
TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
00:14:29UNDERSTANDING AND ADJUSTING THE
NUMBERS TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE
00:14:32FOR THE RENEWABLES AND ENERGY
EFFICIENCIES.
00:14:33>> PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT
THE SENATOR SIZE -- SENATOR
00:14:38SEITZ BILL AND YOURS.
THEY BELIEVE A FREEZE OR
00:14:44REVAMPING OF ENERGY STANDARDS
WOULD DRIVE ELECTRICITY PRICES
00:14:48HIGHER.
CAN YOU ANSWER THAT?
00:14:49>> I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WILL.
I DO NOT FORESEE AT RAISING
00:14:53ENERGY OR ELECTRIC PRICES IF WE
DO A FREEZE.
00:14:55WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS
STUDY GROUP FOR A YEAR.
00:14:59THAT GOES BACK TO THE WHOLE
FREEZE ISSUE.
00:15:02THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO STAY,
AND THE MANDATES ARE GOING TO
00:15:06STAY WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
>> THERE IS THE OTHER GROUP THAT
00:15:10SAYS THERE HAS BEEN A WHOLE
ALTERNATIVE ENERGY INDUSTRY
00:15:13DEVELOPING IN OHIO, BASED ON THE
2008 LAW, AND JOBS AND
00:15:19BUSINESSES WOULD BE THREATENED.
>> THE JOBS ARE STILL GOING TO
00:15:23BE HERE.
IT IS ALL ABOUT THE FREEZE.
00:15:26THE CONTRACTS WILL BE IN PLACE.
THE WINDMILLS ARE STILL GOING TO
00:15:32TURN.
THAT IS WHY IT IS A FREEZE.
00:15:33>> WE HEAR A LOT FROM
BUSINESSES, SAYING THEY DEPEND
00:15:38ON CERTAINTY, AND THEY LOOK FOR
IT TO MAKE LONG-RANGE PLANS.
00:15:40AS A FREEZE MAKE THINGS SEEM
UNCERTAIN?
00:15:46>> IN LIFE, WE LOOK FOR CERTAIN
THINGS AND DO NOT ALWAYS GET
00:15:49THOSE THINGS.
HUMMING FROM A SMALL BUSINESS
00:15:50BACKGROUND, THERE IS ALWAYS
CHANGE.
00:15:53WE ARE ADAPTING TO CHANGES.
I CAN APPRECIATE SOME OF THE
00:15:57ISSUES THEY ARE SAYING.
WHAT THEY CAN STILL MOVE
00:15:59FORWARD.
I WANT THEM TO KNOW THEY CAN
00:16:05STILL MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE
EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE IN
00:16:07PLACE FOR NEXT YEAR.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD
00:16:10EVEN FURTHER WITH RENEWABLES, OR
MAYBE BACKWARD.
00:16:14WE DO NOT KNOW YET.
THAT IS WHAT SENATE BILL 310 HAS
00:16:17BROUGHT ABOUT.
WE HAVE ALL THIS UNCERTAINTY.
00:16:20WE CAN STOP, TAKE A TIME OUT,
AND STUDY IT.
00:16:26>> DO THE ENERGY STANDARDS SAVE
MONEY FOR RATEPAYERS, OR DO YOU
00:16:32FEEL THEY COST MORE THAN THEY
ARE WORTH?
00:16:33ASK MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT
THEY COST MORE THAN THEY ARE
00:16:36WORTH.
AND IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS
00:16:40-- AND YOU LOOK AT THE MANDATES,
THE COSTS, THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY
00:16:46-- WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THE
LOW HANGING FRUIT, AT THESE
00:16:51NUMBERS ARE GOING TO START
ESCALATING.
00:16:52I DO NOT KNOW THAT THE
TECHNOLOGY IS OUT THERE THAT WE
00:16:55CAN EMBRACE IT.
>> DO YOU THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE
00:16:58THE SAME VIEW IN THE CAUCUS?
>> I DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK FOR
00:17:02EVERYBODY IN MY CAUCUS.
THE ONES I HAVE WORKED WITH,
00:17:05OBVIOUSLY -- SENATOR SEITZ HAS
THE SAME BELIEVE I DO.
00:17:11SOMETIMES, HE IS EVEN FURTHER
OUT THERE THAN I AM WITH SOME OF
00:17:13THESE ISSUES.
I THINK THE CAUCUS UNDERSTANDS.
00:17:18I THINK THEY ARE A LITTLE MORE
AT EASE WITH THIS BILL THAN THEY
00:17:22WERE SENATE BILL 58, BECAUSE IT
IS A FREEZE.
00:17:24>> I THINK -- I GUESS THE NEXT
STEP WOULD BE THIS 21 MEMBER
00:17:34COMMITTEE PUT TOGETHER, AND IT
WOULD BE ABOUT A YEAR OF DOING
00:17:37THAT.
AND THEY REPORT BACK.
00:17:39>> YES.
I WANT TO PLAY A PART IN THAT.
00:17:43FROM THE OUTSIDE, COMING IN ME
KNOW YOU ARE PRETTY SMART.
00:17:52YOU UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AT
HAND HERE.
00:17:55YOU ARE AT THE POINT WHERE, I
CANNOT SAY THE WORD -- THEY ARE
00:18:05NOT GOING TO COME INTO PLAY.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE
00:18:10CONSTITUENT AND HELPING THE
STATE OF OHIO.
00:18:11>> AND THE PEOPLE ON THAT
COMMISSION -- WHERE WOULD THEY
00:18:15COME FROM?
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ARE
00:18:17WORKING ON?
>> WE ARE WORKING ON THE EXACT
00:18:20MEMBERS OF THAT.
THE CONSUMERS COUNCIL WOULD BE A
00:18:25MEMBER.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A RESIDENT
00:18:27REPRESENT SOMEBODY.
IT IS GOING TO BE FIVE MEMBERS
00:18:30FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, FIVE
FROM THE SENATE, FIVE FROM THE
00:18:34HOUSE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT MORE THAN THAT
00:18:37WHEN THE BILL GETS PASSED.
>> ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE NOW OR
00:18:45WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR?
>> WE KNOW SENATE BILL 58
00:18:47BROUGHT THIS TO A HEAD.
WE ARE SATISFIED WITH WHAT THIS
00:18:55BILL HAS TO OFFER.
>> SENATOR TROY BALDERSON, THANK
00:18:59YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:19:00>> LAST WEEK, WE BEGAN THIS
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEW ENERGY
00:19:02STANDARDS BILL WITH TWO LEADERS
OF GROUPS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED
00:19:07BY THE STANDARDS -- WHETHER THEY
CONTINUE ON SCHEDULE OR ARE
00:19:09FROZEN AT THIS YEAR'S LEVELS.
HERE'S MORE FROM MY CONVERSATION
00:19:12WITH TED FORD, THE PRESIDENT OF
OHIO ADVANCED ENERGY ECONOMY,
00:19:13WHICH REPRESENTS MORE THAN 400
RENEWABLE AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY
00:19:18COMPANIES, AND SAM RANDAZZO WITH
INDUSTRIAL ENERGY USERS OHIO,
00:19:20WHICH REPRESENTS BIG AND SMALL
COMPANIES SUCH AS MCDONALD'S AND
00:19:22MARATHON REFINERY.
WE PICK UP WITH A QUESTION ABOUT
00:19:24WHERE THE UTILITY COMPANIES
STAND ON THIS BILL AND WHY THEY
00:19:27HAVEN'T BEEN MORE VOCAL ABOUT
THEIR POSITIONS.
00:19:34>> WELL, IT IS NOT SURPRISING TO
ME, GIVEN THE POLITICS
00:19:41ASSOCIATED WITH THESE ISSUES AND
THE POTENTIAL EXPOSURE OF SOME
00:19:47OF THE UTILITIES, THAT THEY ARE
NOT ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING AT
00:19:51THIS POINT.
BUT ALL OF THE UTILITIES THAT
00:19:54HAVE STAKED OUT A POSITION ON
THIS SUBJECT HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED
00:19:59THAT THE PATH WE ARE PRESENTLY
ON, UPWARDLY SLOPING
00:20:03OBLIGATIONS, IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.
IN MY MIND, IT IS NOT A QUESTION
00:20:09ABOUT WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO
REFORM THE CURRENT MANDATE, BUT
00:20:12WHEN.
THAT WIN IS DEFINED IN POLITICAL
00:20:18TERMS, NOT ENGINEERING OR
ACCOUNTING FIRMS, OR ANY OTHER
00:20:20DISCIPLINE THAT IS COMMON IN OUR
WORLD.
00:20:22THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WILL DECIDE
WHEN WE REFORM THE MANDATES.
00:20:28BUT I THINK ALL THE UTILITIES
AND BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE BEEN
00:20:33WORKING WITH, INCLUDING THE OHIO
CHAMBER, THE OHIO STEEL COUNCIL,
00:20:38THE NATIONAL FEDERATION OF
BUSINESSES, WHICH IS SMALL
00:20:41BUSINESS FOLKS, ON AND ON
THROUGHOUT OHIO, HAVE URGED THE
00:20:45GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO MAKE IT
SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER.
00:20:49>> THIS WHOLE IDEA OF A "WHEN"
-- IF PEOPLE SEE ELECTRICAL
00:20:56BILLS GOING UP, THEY ARE GOING
TO CORRELATE IT WITH THE
00:20:59STANDARDS AND ASK FOR IT SOONER
RATHER THAN LATER.
00:21:00>> THE REALITY IS, BILLS ARE
GOING TO GO UP AS DEFERRED
00:21:05INVESTMENTS.
THERE ARE THINGS UTILITIES HAVE
00:21:10TO DO TO MAKE THE SYSTEM MORE
RELIABLE.
00:21:11THEY ARE GOING TO EXPECT
CONSUMERS TO HELP PAY FOR THAT,
00:21:17JUST AS THEY DO FOR THE CLEANUP
OF OLD MANUFACTURED GAS
00:21:20FACILITIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
OPERATIONAL SINCE THE 1600S.
00:21:23UTILITIES ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF
MAKING MONEY, A GUARANTEED RATE
00:21:27OF RETURN.
THAT IS WHAT THIS IS REALLY
00:21:30ABOUT.
IT IS ABOUT FIRSTENERGY WANTING
00:21:34TO SELL MORE ELECTRICITY, AND TO
OFFSET THE COSTS THEY ARE
00:21:40INCURRING AS THE RESULT OF SOME
OF THE THINGS THEY ARE HAVING TO
00:21:42DO.
>> DON'T UTILITIES ALSO CHARGE
00:21:47THE CUSTOMERS FOR THESE
STANDARDS, ON TOP OF EVERYTHING
00:21:50ELSE?
>> THEY CHARGE THE CUSTOMERS FOR
00:21:53ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.
THAT IS THE WAY UTILITIES
00:21:55OPERATE.
THAT IS WHY WE EVALUATE THEIR
00:22:00REQUESTS FOR RATE INCREASES AND
COST RECOVERY ON A WHOLE RANGE
00:22:04OF THINGS.
>> COULDN'T CONSUMERS COME BACK
00:22:06TO THE LEGISLATURE AND SAY, WE
ARE TIRED OF PAYING FOR THESE
00:22:09STANDARDS, WE DO NOT THINK THEY
ARE WORKING?
00:22:11SHOULD THAT BE THE MESSAGE TO
THE LEGISLATURE?
00:22:15>> WHAT CONSUMERS ARE SAYING IS,
THERE IS A SMALL GROUP OF AND
00:22:22SIMMERS, PARTICULARLY LARGE
INDUSTRIAL USERS, WHO ARE
00:22:25SAYING, WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN RIDERS.
00:22:27WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND HAVE BEEN
WILLING TO CONSIDER HOW WE OPT
00:22:34FOLKS OUT SO THEY ARE NOT PAYING
THOSE COSTS.
00:22:36THERE IS A SMALL PROBLEM THAT
HAS BEEN BLOWN UP INTO A BIG
00:22:39ONE.
THE REALITY IS, THESE STANDARDS
00:22:42ARE BENEFITING CONSUMERS.
JUST ABOUT EVERY LEGITIMATE
00:22:46STUDY THAT HAS BEEN DONE SHOWS
THAT.
00:22:47WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING
TODAY IS ESSENTIALLY REPEALING
00:22:52THE STANDARDS, STUDYING THEM FOR
18 MONTHS, AND THEN THE
00:22:56LEGISLATURE HAS TO COME BACK AND
REENACT THEM, WHICH IS UNLIKELY
00:22:58TO HAPPEN.
WE HAVE COME BACK TO BASICALLY
00:23:05EXECUTING THE PRISONER AND THEN
HOLDING THE TRIAL.
00:23:07THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
WHY DON'T WE KEEP THE STANDARDS
00:23:11IN PLACE AND STUDY THEM OVER THE
NECK 18 MONTHS AND DECIDE?
00:23:13>> THE ANALOGY IS INTERESTING.
I THINK IT HIGHLIGHTS LENGTHS TO
00:23:19WHICH PEOPLE WILL GO TO TRY TO
EMBELLISH AND SCARE PEOPLE.
00:23:24IN THIS CASE, THE PRISONER, MR.
FORD REFERRED TO THE ABILITY TO
00:23:36APPEAL TO EVERY CONSUMER BASED
ON MERIT.
00:23:37WE ARE NOT LOCKING AWAY PEOPLE
WHO MANUFACTURE LED LIGHT BULBS
00:23:43OR INSTALL SOLAR ROOFTOPS.
THERE ARE A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS
00:23:47WITH TAX BENEFITS THEY WILL BE
ABLE TO OBTAIN.
00:23:49THERE ARE A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS
OFFERED BY OHIO'S PORT
00:23:52AUTHORITIES THAT PROVIDE UPFRONT
FINANCING TO HELP PEOPLE MOVE
00:23:56FORWARD.
THERE IS NO EXECUTION OF A
00:24:01PRISONER INVOLVED.
IF MR. FORD IS CORRECT, AND THE
00:24:06THINGS HE SAYS ARE CAUSING
CUSTOMERS TO REALIZE ADVANTAGES
00:24:12IN THE REAL WORLD -- IF HE IS
CORRECT ABOUT THAT, CUSTOMERS
00:24:16WILL BEAT A PATH TO MR. FORD AND
THE MEMBERS OF HIS ORGANIZATION
00:24:23WHO ARE PREPARED TO BUILD A
BETTER MOUSETRAP.
00:24:26THAT IS THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS.
I COULD GO TO HOME DEPOT OR THE
00:24:32DRUGSTORE AND BUY LED LAMPS.
>> THEY ARE NOT AS HEAVILY
00:24:36REGULATED.
>> THEY COMPETE ON THEIR ABILITY
00:24:39TO INNOVATE.
THEY COMPETE ON THEIR ABILITY TO
00:24:43OFFER A BETTER PRICE.
AS MR. FORD INDICATED, THE
00:24:47UTILITIES COMPETE FOR A
REGULATED, GUARANTEED RATE OF
00:24:50RETURN.
PUTTING UTILITIES IN THE
00:24:52BUSINESS OF DISTRIBUTING
MANDATED TECHNOLOGY IS THE MOST
00:24:56EXPENSIVE WAY TO TRY TO ADVANCE
GOALS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON
00:25:01REDUCING THE ENERGY INTENSITY OF
OUR ECONOMY.
00:25:02AGAIN, IS GOVERNMENT A BETTER
DECISION-MAKER THAN URI ABOUT
00:25:12WHAT WE WANT TO SPEND OUR MONEY
ON, AND HOW WE SHOULD ALLOCATE
00:25:16OUR DISPOSABLE INCOME?
I THINK NOT.
00:25:18>> THE SENATE IS EXPECTED TO
TAKE UP THE BILL AFTER THE
00:25:25LAWMAKERS RETURN FROM SPRING
BREAK.
00:25:26AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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