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>> THE ENERGY FREEZE BILL IS A
00:00:30HOT TOPIC ONCE AGAIN.
AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF COMMON
00:00:34GROUND AMONG SUPPORTERS AND
OPPONENTS OF THE SCHOOL
00:00:37STANDARDS CALLED THE COMMON
CORE.
00:00:38I TALK TO A BACKER WHO SAYS THE
PROGRAM IS STAYING, AND A
00:00:41CRITIC WHO SAYS HE'LL FIGHT TO
ERASE IT.
00:00:43ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:54>> THE LATEST REPUBLICAN-BACKED
REVAMP OF OHIO'S ENERGY
00:00:59EFFICIENCY STANDARDS IS HALFWAY
THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE AFTER
00:01:02SEVERAL HOURS OF DELAYS AND A
VERY EARLY MORNING VOTE.
00:01:05THE BILL WOULD FREEZE FOR TWO
YEARS THE EFFICIENCY STANDARDS
00:01:09THAT WERE SET IN A 2008 LAW.
THAT LAW ALSO REQUIRES
00:01:12UTILITIES TO GET 25% OF THEIR
ELECTRICITY FROM RENEWABLE
00:01:17SOURCES BY 2025.
THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
00:01:19THIS BILL AND AN EARLIER
VERSION, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED ON
00:01:23THIS PROGRAM IN TWO SHOWS LAST
MONTH, IS THAT LAWMAKERS MUST
00:01:26TAKE ACTION AFTER THE TWO-YEAR
FREEZE OR THE STANDARDS'
00:01:31REQUIREMENT RETURNS IN 2017.
THE LEGISLATION WAS DISCUSSED
00:01:34ALL DAY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS ON
WEDNESDAY, WITH REPORTS OF A
00:01:38VETO THREAT FROM REPUBLICAN
GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH IF IT
00:01:41PASSED AS IT WAS.
IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE SENATE
00:01:43FLOOR JUST AFTER MIDNIGHT ON
THURSDAY AND PASSED AN HOUR
00:01:47LATER 21-12, BUT NOT ALONG
PARTY LINES.
00:01:51DEMOCRAT SHIRLEY SMITH VOTED
FOR IT, AND REPUBLICANS BILL
00:01:55BEAGLE, RANDY GARDNER AND GAYLE
MANNING VOTED AGAINST IT.
00:01:58IT NOW GOES ON TO THE HOUSE AND
IS EXPECTED TO MOVE QUICKLY.
00:02:02PRIMARY DAY WASN'T VERY
EVENTFUL THIS YEAR, BUT VOTERS
00:02:05DID APPROVE ISSUE ONE, WHICH
ALLOWS THE STATE TO SELL NEARLY
00:02:09$2 BILLION IN BONDS OVER THE
NEXT DECADE TO FINANCE LOCAL
00:02:12BRIDGE, WATER, SEWER AND ROAD
PROJECTS.
00:02:15UNOFFICIAL RESULTS SHOWED ISSUE
ONE PASSED 65% TO 35%.
00:02:19THAT IS THE BEST THE
CONSTRUCTION BOND PROGRAM HAS
00:02:23PERFORMED WITH VOTERS SINCE IT
WAS FIRST APPROVED IN 1987.
00:02:26IN THE ONLY CONTESTED STATEWIDE
RACE, CUYAHOGA COUNTY EXECUTIVE
00:02:31ED FITZGERALD BECAME THE
OFFICIAL DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR
00:02:33GOVERNOR BY EASILY DEFEATING
LARRY EALY, AN UNEMPLOYED
00:02:38DAYTON AREA MAN WHO HAD NO
CAMPAIGN ORGANIZATION AND HAD
00:02:41RAISE NODE MONEY.
ALL 12 REPUBLICAN AND FOUR
00:02:43DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF OHIO'S
CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION WON
00:02:46THEIR PRIMARIES OR WERE
UNOPPOSED.
00:02:48AND SINCE THE AVERAGE MARGIN OF
VICTORY FOR THOSE 16 CANDIDATES
00:02:51TWO YEARS AGO WAS 32 POINTS,
IT'S EXPECTED THE PRIMARY
00:02:55WINNERS WILL PREVAIL THIS FALL.
AND THREE OHIO HOUSE INCUMBENTS
00:02:59LOST THEIR PRIMARIES.
DEMOCRAT ZACH MILKOVICH OF
00:03:03AKRON AND REPUBLICANS PETER
STAUTBERG AND PETER BECK, BOTH
00:03:05OF CINCINNATI.
BECK IS PREPARING TO STAND
00:03:08TRIAL ON FRAUD CHARGES FOR
MISLEADING INVESTORS.
00:03:11AS THE SCHOOL YEAR IS WINDING
DOWN, DEBATE OVER WHAT KIDS ARE
00:03:15LEARNING AND BEING TESTED ON
CONTINUES TO RAGE.
00:03:18OHIO IS AMONG THE 44 STATES AND
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA THAT
00:03:22ADOPTED THE COMMON CORE STATE
STANDARDS INITIATIVE, WHICH
00:03:25SETS DETAILS ON WHAT KIDS FROM
KINDERGARTEN THROUGH THEIR
00:03:28SENIOR YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL
SHOULD KNOW IN GLASHE, LANGUAGE
00:03:32ARTS AND MATH.
THE COMMON CORE STANDARDS WERE
00:03:34RELEASED ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO,
AND SINCE THEN THE PROGRAM HAS
00:03:37BEEN PRAISED AS SUPERIOR TO
ALMOST ALL EXISTING EDUCATIONAL
00:03:41STANDARDS AT THE STATE LEVEL,
WHILE ALLOWING DISTRICTS
00:03:44FLEXIBILITY TO DEVELOP
CURRICULUM AND HELPING
00:03:46EDUCATORS BETTER PREPARE KIDS
FOR CAREERS BECAUSE OF AN
00:03:49EMPHASIS ON CRITICAL THINKING.
BUT THE COMMON CORE HAS ALSO
00:03:52BEEN VILIFIED AS UNTESTED WITH
STANDARDS THAT AREN'T HIGH
00:03:56ENOUGH, AND THAT IT ENFORCES A
ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL APPROACH
00:04:00THAT'S TOO RELIANT ON
STANDARDIZED TESTING WHILE
00:04:04COSTING STATES AND SCHOOL
DISTRICTS A LOT OF MONEY.
00:04:06WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS THAT
THE DEBATE IS NOT ACROSS PARTY
00:04:10LINES.
IT'S AN INTRA-PARTY FIGHT AMONG
00:04:13REPUBLICANS.
THIS WEEK, I SAT DOWN WITH TWO
00:04:15LEADING LAWMAKERS ON THE
FRONTLINES OF THIS BATTLE.
00:04:19LONGTIME REPUBLICAN
REPRESENTIVE GERALD STEBELTON
00:04:22OF LANCASTER IS THE CHAIR OF
THE HOUSE EDUCATION COMMITTEE
00:04:24AND SUPPORTS COMMON CORE.
HE SAYS IT'S A SET OF LEARNING
00:04:28OBJECTIVES, NOT A CRICK RESUME,
THAT THESE STANDARDS EXIST SO
00:04:32THAT THERE CAN BE BENCHMARKS
THAT CAN BE MEASURED TO MAKE
00:04:34SURE KIDS ARE LEARNING WHAT
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
00:04:36AND HE SAYS LOCAL SCHOOL BOARDS
AND STATES STILL HAVE THE
00:04:40FLEXIBILITY TO SET CURRICULUM.
STEBELTON TOLD ME THAT THE
00:04:43INITIATIVE HAD BEEN ADOPTED AND
WAS BEING IMPLEMENTED SMOOTHLY,
00:04:46AND THEN A LOT OF NOISE ABOUT
THE COMMON CORE BURST IN FROM
00:04:50THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
>> IT WAS WHEN WE WERE DEALING
00:04:55WITH THE BUDGET LAST YEAR THAT
SOMEBODY ON NATIONAL MEDIA,
00:04:58GLENN BECK, RAISED THE ISSUE
AND RAISED SOME ALARM BELLS
00:05:04ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING THAT
THIS BECAME SOMEHOW OR OTHER A
00:05:07FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY
DIRECTED TOWARD CONTROLLING THE
00:05:11STATES, WHICH IS NOT TRUE.
AND SOME OF OUR MEMBERS BECAME
00:05:15CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
AND I PROMISED THAT WE WOULD
00:05:19HAVE FULL DISCUSSION ON IT.
WE HAD A FULL DISCUSSION ON IT.
00:05:26REPRESENTIVE THOMPSON
INTRODUCED HIS BILL.
00:05:29THE BILL CAME BEFORE THE
EDUCATION COMMITTEE.
00:05:32IT WAS GIVEN THE FIRST HEARING,
SPONSORED TESTIMONY, AND IT WAS
00:05:37GIVEN A SECOND HEARING WHERE WE
HAD SIX OR SEVEN HOURS OF
00:05:41TESTIMONY UNTIL APPROXIMATELY
1:00 IN THE MORNING ONE
00:05:45WEDNESDAY NIGHT, EARLY THURSDAY
MORNING.
00:05:47AND WE THINK WE'VE VETTED THE
BILL TO THE EXTENT THAT IT
00:05:53NEEDS TO BE VETTED.
>> NOW, ON THESE STANDARDS, YOU
00:05:55HAVE CRITICISMS THAT SAY THESE
STANDARDS ARE LOWER THAN THEY
00:05:58SHOULD BE.
THEY'VE BEEN DUMBED DOWN.
00:05:59THEY'RE NOT INTERNATIONALLY
BENCHMARKED.
00:06:03>> WELL, WE HAVE A PRETTY LOW
SET OF STANDARDS IN OHIO BEFORE
00:06:06THIS -- THE COMMON CORE CAME
ALONG.
00:06:10AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE
CONCERNS IS THAT WE HAVE NOT
00:06:12BEEN EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN TO
A HIGH ENOUGH LEVEL.
00:06:16WE HAVE ALMOST 41% OF OUR KIDS
WHO GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL
00:06:20THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR -- TO
TAKE COLLEGE COURSES IN MATH
00:06:24AND ENGLISH BECAUSE THEY NEED
TO BE REMEDIATED, AND THAT'S A
00:06:28VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 20% TO
00:06:3321% OF OUR STUDENTS WHO DROP
OUT OF SCHOOL BEFORE THEY
00:06:36GRADUATE.
SO TO SAY THAT WE DON'T -- THAT
00:06:38WE HAVE HIGH STANDARDS AND THAT
THE COMMON CORE STANDARDS ARE
00:06:42TOO LOW IS TO IGNORE THE
REALITY OF WHERE WE HAVE BEEN
00:06:45AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THESE STANDARDS ARE MUCH HIGHER
00:06:49THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE
PAST.
00:06:53VIRTUALLY, NOT EVERY
SUPERINTENDENT, BUT VIRTUALLY
00:06:56EVERY SUPERINTENDENT THAT I'VE
TALKED WITH SAID THESE ARE MUCH
00:06:58HIGHER STANDARDS AND THAT THEY
ARE MUCH CLEARER.
00:07:02THEY ARE MUCH -- THEY ARE GOING
TO BE EASIER TO TEACH TO
00:07:05BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A MILE WIDE
AND AN INCH DEEP.
00:07:09THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAUGHT
INDEPTH ON EACH SUBJECT OF MATH
00:07:11AND ENGLISH AND LANGUAGE ARTS.
AND TEACHERS, MOST TEACHERS
00:07:15THAT I'VE TALKED WITH, ARE
EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
00:07:17>> NOW WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
TEACHING TO THE STANDARDS,
00:07:20THERE WERE -- THERE'S BEEN A
LOT OF CRITICISM OVER THE YEARS
00:07:23ABOUT TEACHING TO THE TEST.
AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT
00:07:26STANDARDIZED TESTING AND THE
ROLE THAT PLAYS IN HOW YOU
00:07:28ACHIEVE THOSE STANDARDS.
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND STARTED A
00:07:31LOT OF THAT, THAT FEDERAL
POLICY.
00:07:33THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY COMMON
CORE IS NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ON
00:07:36STEROIDS, THAT IT EVEN TEACHES
MORE TO THE TEST.
00:07:38>> WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S
TRUE BECAUSE BASICALLY, YOU'RE
00:07:42-- YOU'RE TEACHING THE SUBJECT
MATTER THAT'S -- THIS IS THE
00:07:47COMMON CORE STANDARDS.
>> THAT'S K THROUGH 12?
00:07:50>> K THROUGH 12 RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE STANDARDS FOR K
00:07:53THROUGH 12 FOR MATH AND ENGLISH
ARTS.
00:07:56IT SAYS THIS IS WHAT A CHILD
SHOULD KNOW IN EACH GRADE IN
00:08:01MATH AND THIS IS WHAT A CHILD
SHOULD KNOW IN EACH GRADE IN
00:08:05ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARTS.
AND THERE ARE BENCHMARKS, IT
00:08:09DOESN'T SAY THAT THE CHILD IS
GOING TO FAIL IF THEY DON'T GET
00:08:11THERE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAY OF
00:08:13MEASURING WHETHER THE CHILD HAS
REACHED THOSE OR NOT.
00:08:16AND -- AND THE TEST WON'T
DICTATE WHETHER THEY FAIL OR
00:08:21PASS.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT YOU NEED
00:08:22SOME WAY TO MEASURE.
SO THERE'S TESTING, YEAH, SURE.
00:08:25>> WOULD YOU SAY THERE'S MORE
INFLUENCE ON TESTING OR MORE
00:08:28INFLUENCE ON CRITICAL THINKING,
WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF FOLKS
00:08:31WANT TO SEE?
>> THE WHOLE FOCUS OF THIS IS
00:08:34CRITICAL THINKING.
IT'S -- IT'S IN-DEPTH TEACHING
00:08:37SO THAT KIDS UNDERSTAND WHAT
THEY'RE LEARNING AS OPPOSED TO
00:08:41ROTE MEMORIZATION THAT THEY
FORGET LATER.
00:08:44I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE REMEMBER
THEIR MULTIPLICATION TABLES,
00:08:48BUT THEY DON'T -- THE WAY WE'VE
BEEN TEACHING IN THE PAST, THEY
00:08:51DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE
FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF
00:08:54MATHEMATICS THAT GET THEM TO
WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
00:08:59THEY REMEMBER THE THINGS THAT
THEY'VE MEMORIZED.
00:09:02BUT CRITICAL THINKING IN
MATHEMATICS IS IMPORTANT.
00:09:06CRITICAL THINKING AND
EVALUATING A TEXT IS IMPORTANT.
00:09:07THE ABILITY TO READ SOMETHING,
DIGEST IT, AND EXPLAIN IT AND
00:09:12THEN WRITE ABOUT IT IS
IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT
00:09:14WE DO IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR ALL
THE TIME.
00:09:16>> THERE ARE THOSE AGAIN
CRITICS WHO SAY THAT THESE
00:09:20STANDARDS WERE DEVELOPED BY
PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO EXPERTISE IN
00:09:22MATH AND READING, THAT THEY
WERE DEVELOPED IN WASHINGTON BY
00:09:29BUREAUCRATS AND THAT THEY'VE
BEEN HANDED DOWN TO THE STATES
00:09:31AS A TIE-IN TO --
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD
00:09:38WAS THERE WASN'T A SINGLE
MATHEMATICIAN ON THE COMMITTEE
00:09:40TO ADOPT THE MATHEMATIC
STANDARDS.
00:09:43THERE WERE 16 NATIONAL
MATHEMATICAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT
00:09:48WERE REPRESENTED ON THE BOARDS
THAT ADOPTED THESE STANDARDS.
00:09:50WE HAD A LADY FROM OHIO STATE
WHO CAME IN, WHO IS A
00:09:53MATHEMATICIAN, A LIFELONG
MATHEMATICIAN, NOW RETIRED.
00:09:57AND SHE WENT THROUGH THAT --
THAT ARGUMENT AND ABSOLUTELY
00:10:00DESTROYED THAT ARGUMENT.
AND POINTED OUT ALL THE PEOPLE
00:10:02FROM OHIO THAT SERVED ON IT AND
ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
00:10:06SUPPORT THESE STANDARDS AND
THEN GAVE US SOME INFORMATION
00:10:10THAT -- THAT THESE
ORGANIZATIONS REALLY DO SUPPORT
00:10:14THE COMMON CORE STANDARDS AND
BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE
00:10:17MUCH, MUCH BETTER IN THE FINAL
ANALYSIS THAN THE WAY WE'VE
00:10:20BEEN TEACHING MATH FOR THE LAST
30 YEARS.
00:10:22>> AND FINALLY LET'S TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MONEY
00:10:25INVOLVED.
CRITICS SAY IMPLEMENTING COMMON
00:10:28CORE IS COSTING A FORTUNATE,
THAT STATES CAN'T AFFORD IT,
00:10:31THAT OHIO CAN'T AFFORD IT.
>> WELL, THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE,
00:10:34FIRST OF ALL.
WE -- WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY
00:10:38ON TESTS EVERY YEAR AS IT IS.
AND -- AND WE PAY AN
00:10:42ORGANIZATION FOR THE OHIO
ACHIEVEMENT TEST AND ALL THE
00:10:45EVALUATION TESTS THAT WE GIVE
TO OUR STUENTSDZ.
00:10:47WE WILL BE ELIMINATING THOSE
TESTS AND WE'LL BE SUBSTITUTING
00:10:50THESE OTHER TESTS.
THERE IS A COST.
00:10:52BUT MOST OF THE COST OF
IMPLEMENTATION HAS BEEN BORN BY
00:10:56THE DISTRICTS ON THEIR OWN
WITHOUT A LOT OF IMPACT ON
00:11:00THEIR BUDGETS BECAUSE OF THE
FACT THAT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS
00:11:05-- WITH THEIR IN-DEFENSE
TRAINING, THEY'VE DIVERTED
00:11:09THEIR EXISTING IN-SERVICE
TRAINING TO IN-SERVICE TRAINING
00:11:13FOR THE COMMON CORE, WHICH
BASICALLY RESULTED IN VERY
00:11:18LITTLE COST.
THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL
00:11:21TEST COSTS FOR A PERIOD OF A
COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT ONCE WE
00:11:24GET THAT -- THAT PERIOD WHERE
WE HAVE TWO SETS OF TESTS PAST
00:11:29US AND WE'RE ON TO WHAT
PROBABLY WILL BE THE PARK TESTS
00:11:33OR MAYBE ANOTHER TEST, IT WILL
BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS WHAT
00:11:37WE'RE DOING NOW COSTWISE.
>> THERE ARE ABOUT 12 STATES
00:11:40THAT HAVE SOME SORT OF
LEGISLATION REGARDING COMMON
00:11:44CORE.
INDIANA HAS SUSPENDED
00:11:46IMPLEMENTATION.
MICHIGAN CUT THE FUNDING.
00:11:47IF OHIO WERE TO JOIN THE GROUP
OF STATES THAT ARE SERIOUSLY
00:11:52CONSIDERING OR GETTING RID OF
COMMON CORE OR IF OHIO BECOMES
00:11:56THE FIRST TO REPEAL IT, WHAT
WOULD THAT COST THE STATE?
00:11:59>> WELL, THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS
TO THAT.
00:12:01FIRST OF ALL, WE WILL HAVE
SPENT SEVERAL -- WELL, A COUPLE
00:12:07HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN
LOCAL AND STATE FUNDS IN
00:12:11TRANSITIONING TO THE COMMON
CORE AND HAVING TEACHER
00:12:14PREPARATION AND IN-SERVICE
TRAINING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS
00:12:17TO ACCOMPLISH THAT OBJECTIVE.
THAT WOULD BE WASTED BECAUSE WE
00:12:20WOULD BE NOW GOING -- GOING
AWAY FROM THE COMMON CORE AND
00:12:24HAVING A NEW SET OF STANDARDS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A SET OF
00:12:28STANDARDS.
THE STANDARDS WE HAVE THAT ARE
00:12:29IN PLACE RIGHT NOW ARE NOT
GOOD.
00:12:32SO THERE WOULD BE A COST
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
00:12:35THE SECOND THING IN ORDER TO
HELP US WITH THE
00:12:39IMPLEMENTATION, WE'VE ACCEPTED
-- WE'VE RECEIVED A GRANT FROM
00:12:42$400 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
00:12:44THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE
MIGHT HAVE TO PAY THAT MONEY
00:12:46BACK IF WE SUSPEND THE COMMON
CORE STANDARDS AND THE NEW SET
00:12:52OF STANDARDS WOULD NOT BE
SUFFICIENT TO MEET WHAT THE
00:12:55OBJECTIVE OF NO CHILD LEFT
BEHIND, RACE TO THE TOP IS.
00:12:59SO THERE COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT
IMPACT.
00:13:01I JUST, YOU KNOW, INDIANA HAS
MADE SOME DECISIONS, I THINK
00:13:04THEY WERE DUMB DECISIONS, BUT
THEY'VE DONE IT.
00:13:08I READ A REPORT LAST WEEK THAT
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO COST
00:13:11THEM $125 MILLION TO -- TO REDO
WHAT THEY'VE DONE ALREADY.
00:13:18IT'S GOING TO DELAY IT A COUPLE
YEARS.
00:13:20AND FRANKLY, I DON'T WANT TO
WAIT TWO MORE YEARS FOR OUR
00:13:23KIDS TO HAVE REALISTIC
EXPECTATIONS AS TO WHAT THEY
00:13:26WILL LEARN IN SCHOOL.
IF YOU -- IF YOU TAKE THE RATIO
00:13:30OF POPULATIONS OF OHIO AND
INDIANA, IF IT'S GOING TO COST
00:13:35INDIANA $125 MILLION TO DO
THAT, NOT TAKING INTO
00:13:39CONSIDERATION WHAT THEY'VE
ALREADY DONE AND THE TIME
00:13:41THEY'VE WASTED, THAT WOULD BE
SOME PLACE IN THE ORDER OF $200
00:13:44MILLION OR $300 MILLION FOR
OHIO.
00:13:47SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A WISE
DECISION.
00:13:48>> AND FINALLY, THERE SEEMS TO
BE AN AWFUL LOT OF PASSION ON
00:13:51THE SIDE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
00:13:54I REMEMBER THAT HEARING THAT
YOU SPOKE OF WHERE IT WAS
00:13:56SEVERAL HOURS UNTIL 1:00 IN THE
MORNING.
00:13:58YOU HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO
WANTED TO TESTIFY.
00:14:00A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY
EMOTIONALRY WROUGHT, IT SEEMED
00:14:03LIKE.
WHAT DO YOU TELL THESE PEOPLE
00:14:04ABOUT THIS AND HOW DO YOU
REASSURE THEM, IS THERE ANY WAY
00:14:09TO REASSURE THEM THAT THIS IS
WHAT YOU SAY IT IS AND NOT WHAT
00:14:11THEY ARE THINKING IT IS?
>> WELL, I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT
00:14:15HOW YOU DO THAT.
BECAUSE EVERY ARGUMENT THAT
00:14:18WE'VE PRESENTED IS JUST
REJECTED, YOU KNOW, I HAD A
00:14:24MEETING OUT IN PICKERINGTON A
YEAR AND A HALF AGO -- WELL,
00:14:27NO, A YEAR -- YEAH, A YEAR AND
A HALF AGO, AND WE HAD A FEW
00:14:32PEOPLE THERE WHO LISTENED TO
WHAT THE PRINCIPALS SAID,
00:14:39LISTENED TO WHAT PEOPLE FROM
DIFFERENT AREAS HAD TO SAY
00:14:42ABOUT THE STANDARDS.
THEY REJECTED ALL THE ARGUMENTS
00:14:44OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE,
BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR
00:14:47THAT.
AND SO --
00:14:48>> COULD THEY BE RIGHT THOUGH?
IS THERE A CHANCE THAT THEIR
00:14:51ARGUMENTS ARE CORRECT?
>> NO.
00:14:53NO.
THEY'RE NOT.
00:14:54THEY'RE WRONG.
SO, I MEAN, I -- LISTEN, THE
00:14:57COMMON CORE IS NOT GOING TO GO
AWAY IN OHIO.
00:14:59AS LONG AS I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF
THE HOUSE EDUCATION COMMITTEE,
00:15:02WE'RE GOING HAVE COMMON CORE.
>> EARLY IN THAT INTERVIEW,
00:15:06STEBELTON REFERENCED THE
LAWMAKER WHO'S PROPOSED THE
00:15:08BILL TO REPEAL THE COMMON CORE
INITIATIVE IN OHIO.
00:15:10HE IS REPRESENTIVE ANDY
THOMPSON, A REPUBLICAN FROM
00:15:14MARIETTA.
THOMPSON SAYS CONCERNS ABOUT
00:15:15COMMON CORE DIDN'T EXPLODE
UNTIL PARENTS STARTED SEEING
00:15:18THE IMPACT, AND HE SAYS
NATIONAL CONSERVATIVE
00:15:21COMMENTATORS STARTED TALKING
ABOUT IT AT ABOUT THE SAME
00:15:24TIME.
AND HE MAINTAINS THERE'S NO
00:15:26EVIDENCE THAT THE STANDARDS IN
THE COMMON CORE INITIATIVE
00:15:28HAVEN'T BEEN DUMBED DOWN.
>> THERE ARE FOLKS THAT
00:15:32EVALUATE STANDARDS AND THEY'VE
BEEN LOOKED AT, MASSACHUSETTS
00:15:35HAD PROBABLY THE HIGHEST
STANDARDS IN THE NATION, AND
00:15:37THEY ALSO HAD A TRACK RECORD TO
SHOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN TESTED
00:15:40AND PROVEN.
THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T HAVE WITH
00:15:42THE COMMON CORE STANDARDS.
PEOPLE MAY REMARK THAT THEY'RE
00:15:46HIGHER THAN OURS.
PERHAPS THEY ARE.
00:15:48I THINK OHIO'S EDUCATION RECORD
HAS NEEDED TO BE IMPROVED.
00:15:52SO I'VE BEEN PART OF THAT IN
THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE.
00:15:54WITH THE COMMON CORE STADS,
THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE EXPERTS IN
00:15:57THE STANDARDS BUSINESS THAT
I'VE TALKED TO, AND THEY
00:15:59TESTIFIED IN THE HOUSE IN MY
HEARING IN NOVEMBER, SAID THESE
00:16:02ARE NOT AS -- THESE AREN'T THE
STANDARDS WE NEED.
00:16:05THEY AREN'T GOOD.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TESTED
00:16:08ANYWHERE.
THERE'S NO PROOF THEY'VE BEEN
00:16:13TESTED ANYWHERE.
SO IT'S KIND OF SPECULATIVE TO
00:16:16SAY THEY'RE BETTER THAN WHAT WE
V I THINK OHIO WANTS TO CHOOSE
00:16:22STANDARDS WE KNOW HAVE BEEN
TESTED AND PROVEN ELSEWHERE,
00:16:24WHETHER IT'S MASSACHUSETTS,
MINNESOTA AND CALIFORNIA HAVE
00:16:27HAD EXCELLENT STANDARDS.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO STANDARDS.
00:16:30WHENEVER YOU SAY SOMETHING
ABOUT COMMON CORE, THEY SAY YOU
00:16:32JUST DON'T WANT STANDARDS FOR
OUR KIDS.
00:16:34I DO.
I WANT TO HAVE OUR EDUCATION
00:16:36SYSTEM PERFORM BECAUSE IF
YOU'RE A PARENT, YOU OFTEN
00:16:39DON'T GET A SECOND CHANCE.
YOU'VE GOT ONE CHANCE TO
00:16:42EDUCATE YOUR KID OR MAYBE TWO
CHANCES IF YOU'VE GOT MORE THAN
00:16:45ONE CHILD.
SO THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY
00:16:47ABOUT THIS.
WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL 20 YEARS.
00:16:50>> YOU CALLED COMMON CORE NO
CHILD LEFT BEHIND ON STEROIDS.
00:16:53AND SAID THAT THIS WHOLE IDEA
OF TEACHING TO THE TEST IS
00:16:57REALLY ACCELERATED IN THIS
PROGRAM.
00:16:59YOU'VE ALSO SAID THAT THE
PROGRAM WAS DEVELOPED WITHOUT
00:17:02ANY INPUT FROM A LOT OF
EXPERTS.
00:17:05NOW, REPRESENTIVE STEBELTON AND
AREAS HAVE SAID THERE ARE
00:17:08PLENTY OF EXPERTS INVOLVED,
NATIONALLY KNOWN ORGANIZATIONS
00:17:11THAT REPRESENT MATHEMATICIANS
AND ENGLISH PROFESSORS AND
00:17:14THESE SORT OF GROUPS WERE
INVOLVED IN THE CREATION OF
00:17:17THESE STANDARDS.
WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THAT THE
00:17:19EXPERTS WEREN'T INVOLVED?
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT I
00:17:22SUGGESTED EXPERTS WEREN'T
INVOLVED.
00:17:24WHAT I SUGGESTED WAS A LOT OF
OHIOANS WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT
00:17:27THIS, ESPECIALLY PARENTS.
PARENTS, SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS,
00:17:30A LOT OF FOLKS LIKE, THAT
THEY'LL SAY WELL, WE GOT 300
00:17:33EMAILS.
WELL, 300 EMAILS OUT OF A
00:17:35POPULATION OF 11 MILLION IS NOT
A LOT.
00:17:38WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT AN ISSUE
-- AN AREA THAT DOMINATES OUR
00:17:40BUDGET.
YOU THINK ABOUT AN AREA THAT'S
00:17:42PARTICULARLY PERSONAL TO
PARENTS AND TEACHERS, SCHOOL
00:17:44BOARD MEMBERS.
WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
00:17:46IT WAS AN INSIDER CONVERSATION.
IT SEEMINGLY WAS A STEALTH
00:17:50PROGRAM.
I'M ON THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE.
00:17:52I WAS ON IT FOR THREE YEARS
BEFORE I HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT
00:17:55THIS.
AS SOMEBODY WHO IS REPRESENTING
00:17:57PEOPLE, YOU DON'T LIKE TO BE
CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
00:17:59I THINK WE WERE.
I THINK IT POTENTIALLY WAS A
00:18:02DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO GET THIS
KIND OF INSERTED AND THEN BY
00:18:05THE TIME YOU'RE TWO, THREE
YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY SAY
00:18:07IT'S TOO LATE TO TURN BACK NOW.
>> LET'S TALK MONEY.
00:18:11YOU'VE WORRIED ABOUT THE AMOUNT
OF MONEY THAT'S GOING INTO
00:18:14COMMON CORE.
BUT THE MONEY WOULD HAVE BEEN
00:18:16SPENT ANYWAY.
IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE THAT OUR
00:18:18STANDARDS WERE TOO LOW TO BEGIN
WITH, THEN THE MONEY WOULD HAVE
00:18:21BEEN SPENT ANYWAY, JUST MAYBE
IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
00:18:23AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF COMMON
CORE'S PULLED BACK,
00:18:28REPRESENTIVE STEBELTON HAS
ESTIMATED IT COULD BE $200
00:18:32MILLION THAT OHIO COULD LOSE.
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE MONEY IF
00:18:35YOUR BILL GOES THROUGH AND IF
COMMON CORE BECOMES THE STATE
00:18:39THAT TAKES BACK COMMON CORE?
>> WE ALWAYS HAVE TO TAKE
00:18:42PRIORITY WHERE DOLLARS ARE
GOING.
00:18:45THE CONCERN WAS FEDERAL DOLLARS
AND WHAT KIND OF POWER THAT
00:18:47PUTS IN THE HANDS OF THE
EDUCATION DEPARTMENT UNDER ARNE
00:18:52DUNCAN.
IF YOU LISTEN TO QUOTES THAT
00:18:53HE'S MADE, HE MAKES NO BONES
ABOUT IT.
00:18:55IF YOU DO WHAT YOU'RE TOLD, YOU
WILL BE REWARDED UNDER MY, YOU
00:18:58KNOW, MY PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT
00:19:02UNSETTLING FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR
THAT COMING FROM A FEDERAL
00:19:05BUREAUCRACY WHICH IS NOT
SUPPOSED TO HAVE A ROLE IN
00:19:06EDUCATION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING AGAIN THAT
00:19:09OHIO LEGISLATORS HAVE TO DECIDE
FOR OHIO.
00:19:11AND WHEN IT COMES TO STANDARDS.
TO ME IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT
00:19:14OHIO PICKING ITS OWN STANDARDS.
NOT ACCEPTING A BOILER PLATE
00:19:16THAT WAS DRAWN FROM SOME
SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS IN
00:19:20WASHINGTON, D.C., FORMULATED,
MARRIED UP WITH DOLLARS AND
00:19:24FEDERAL STIMULUS DOLLARS AND
THEN STATES WERE ENTICED TO
00:19:27TAKE THIS.
WE'LL GIVE YOU A WAIVER OUT OF
00:19:29NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND.
WE'VE GOT THIS MONEY POT.
00:19:31SO I THINK IT -- I THINK IT
IMPACTED DECISIONS IN A WAY
00:19:35WHEN STATES WERE DESPERATE FOR
MONEY.
00:19:37YOU REMEMBER BACK IN THE
STRICKLAND ERA, YOU KNOW, MONEY
00:19:40WAS A SHORTFALL.
WE NEEDED TO FIND SOME WAY TO
00:19:43PATCH AND PAVE OVER THE
PROBLEMS, AND SO THAT WAS VERY
00:19:46ENTICING.
STIMULUS DOLLARS AND THAT
00:19:49FEDERAL ROLE AND THAT FEDERAL
INTRUSION, YOU GET A LOT OF
00:19:52MANDATES, A LOT OF DEMANDS,
WHETHER IT'S ARNE DUNCAN OR
00:19:57ANYONE ELSE.
OHIO NEEDS TO HAVE THAT
00:19:59CONVERSATION.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE
00:20:00DOLLARS.
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
00:20:01THING WE DO.
LET'S GET IT RIGHT.
00:20:03IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THE WRONG
PATH, WE SHOULD KNOW IT.
00:20:05IT SHOULD BE COMMUNICATED, NOT
JUST TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO
00:20:09KNOW, BUT TO ALL THE CITIZENS
OF OHIO, PARTICULARLY THE
00:20:12PARENTS, GRANDPARENT, SCHOOL
OFFICIALS.
00:20:14>> I TALKED TO SOME FOLKS WHO
ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT COMMON
00:20:17CORE.
YOU AND OTHERS ARE REALLY
00:20:18PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTION HERE.
00:20:21SOME COMMON CORE OPPONENTS HAVE
EVEN SINGLED OUT REPRESENTIVE
00:20:25STEBELTON IN SAYING THAT
THEY'RE BEING PERSECUTED BY HIM
00:20:28AND HE'S IGNORING THEM.
WHY REPRESENTIVE STEBELTON?
00:20:31>> I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO
GET -- HE'S A COLLEAGUE OF MINE
00:20:34AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT ALL MY
COLLEAGUES IN THE LEGISLATURE.
00:20:37I THINK IN ANY RACE WHERE YOU
SEE THAT KIND OF PASSION AND
00:20:41SOMETIMES WHEN YOU SAY PASSION
IT MAKES LIKE SOMEBODY IS
00:20:45HAVING SOME EMOTIONAL REACTION.
I THINK THESE ARE WELL-INFORMED
00:20:50PEOPLE.
THEY'RE CONCERNED PEOPLE.
00:20:51THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
YOU'VE GOT KIDS, GRANDKIDS,
00:20:53YOU'VE GOT MATH THAT YOU CAN'T
UNDERSTAND.
00:20:55I THINK FOR MORE THAN A YEAR,
FOLKS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO
00:20:59COMMUNICATE TO REPRESENTIVE
STEBELTON AND TO OTHERS HOW
00:21:03IMPORTANT THIS WAS TO THEM.
AND JUST LISTEN TO US.
00:21:04TELL US WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IF YOU THINK IT'S NO PROBLEM,
00:21:08THEN SAY SO.
IF YOU DO THINK IT'S A PROBLEM,
00:21:11WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CHANGE
IT?
00:21:12I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE MEMBERS,
AND ANY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE,
00:21:16AND I REACHED OUT TO THE
DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS
00:21:19IN SAYING, FOR DIFFERENT
REASONS, YOU SHOULD BE
00:21:21CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED
00:21:23ABOUT OUR CORPORATE ROLE IN
EDUCATION, OK?
00:21:25SO WE HAVE THE GATES FOUNDATION
GIVING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS
00:21:29AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AREN'T
ANYTHING TO BILL GATES,
00:21:31APPARENTLY.
SO MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE
00:21:33FORDHAM FOUNDATION, MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS TO THE ACADEMY AND THEN
00:21:38YOU SEE A POSITIVE QUOTE ABOUT
COMMON CORE AND YOU KNOW WHERE
00:21:43THAT CAME FROM.
IT AFFECTS PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION.
00:21:45AND THIS FEELING THAT WE'RE
KIND OF OVERWHELMED, HOW DO YOU
00:21:48OVERCOME THE RESOURCES OF THE
WORLD'S THIRD WEALTHIEST MAN?
00:21:52AND HIS FRIENDS ARE WARREN
BUFFETT, THE WALTON FAMILY.
00:21:55I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE A DAVID AND
GOLIATH HERE.
00:21:58I THINK THE PUBLIC FEELS LIKE
THAT, TOO.
00:22:01AND SOMEHOW GOLIATH IS THIS
CORPORATE, GOVERNMENT, YOU
00:22:05KNOW, IT'S A TRIANGLE BUT KIND
OF A PARTNERSHIP HERE.
00:22:08AND WE'RE LEFT OUT THAT OF
CONVERSATION.
00:22:10SO I WANT TO HELP THAT
CONVERSATION GET STARTED.
00:22:12>> WHEN I TALKED TO
REPRESENTIVE STEBELTON, HE SAID
00:22:14THAT HE'S TRIED TO TALK TO
OPPONENTS OF THE COMMON CORE,
00:22:18THAT ALL THE ARGUMENTS HAVE
BEEN REJECTED, AND THAT THEY
00:22:22AREN'T LISTENING TO
SUPERINTENDENTS AND PRINCIPALS
00:22:24AND TEACHERS AND OTHERS WHO
HAVE SUPPORTED COMMON CORE.
00:22:26AND I SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM
WHAT IF THEIR ARGMENTSDZ ARE
00:22:31RIGHT?
AND HE SAID, NO, THEY'RE WRONG.
00:22:32DO YOU FEEL THAT SOME OF THE
COMMON CORE OPPONENTS ARE BEING
00:22:36PORTRAYED AS CRAZY, AS -- AS
OUT THERE?
00:22:39>> I THINK WHEN CHAIRMAN
STEBELTON, IT WAS KIND OF
00:22:43UNUSUAL, BEFORE I EVEN HAD MY
SPONSOR TESTIMONY, HE DID A
00:22:46BACKGROUND BRIEFING WITH ALL
THE MEDIA SAYING THAT MY BILL
00:22:49WAS GOING NOWHERE, IT HAD NO
LEGS.
00:22:51THE PEOPLE OPPOSING COMMON CORE
WERE JUST MISINFORMED OR, YOU
00:22:55KNOW, OVERLY EMOTIONAL.
THAT'S NOT RESPECTING THE
00:22:58PROCESS.
THAT'S NOT LISTENING.
00:22:59AND I THINK IF SOMEONE IS A
CASS ULTIMATE OF COMMON CORE,
00:23:02IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAILED
TO LISTEN.
00:23:04FROM THE BEGINNING, PEOPLE HAVE
MADE PHONE CALLS TO CHAIRMAN
00:23:07STEBELTON.
PEOPLE HAVE MADE PHONE CALLS TO
00:23:09OTHER FOLKS.
AS I SAID, THEY WANT A SENSE
00:23:12THAT YOU'RE TAKING THEM
SERIOUSLY.
00:23:13OFF THE BAT, IT WAS JUST
REDUCED TO SOME GLENN BECK
00:23:18CONSPIRACY OR A TEA PARTY
TANTRUM.
00:23:20IT'S NOT.
WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM HARVARD.
00:23:22WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM HERITAGE
FOUNDATION, KATO INSTITUTE, THE
00:23:27PIONEER INSTITUTE, ONE OF THE
BEST EDUCATION THINK TANKS IN
00:23:30THE COUNTRY, ALL EXPRESSING
CONCERN ABOUT THIS.
00:23:33AGAIN, GEORGE WILL IS NOT SOME
CRAZY -- JOHN STOSSEL.
00:23:35YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE,
THINKERS.
00:23:37YOU'VE GOT COMEDIANS NOW.
C.K., THE COMEDIAN.
00:23:42WHO IS NOT CONSERVATIVE.
CHUCK NORRIS.
00:23:45YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM THE
CELEBRITY WORLD.
00:23:47YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM THE
EDUCATION WORMED.
00:23:48YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE
ACADEMICALLY VERY ASTUTE,
00:23:52HARVARD LAWYERS.
YOU KNOW --
00:23:53>> YOU HAVE LAWMAKERS AND OTHER
FOLKS WHO ARE SAYING THAT YOU
00:23:57ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.
>> WELL, PERHAPS THEY FEEL THAT
00:23:59WAY.
BUT I GUESS OUR JOB AS
00:24:02LEGISLATORS IS TO NOT JUST
LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:24:05THE ORDANED EXPERTS BUT ALSO TO
LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:24:09JUST GRASS ROOTS REGULAR FOLKS.
AND AGAIN, OUR JOB AS
00:24:12LEGISLATORS AND EDUCATION IS
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
00:24:14THINGS THAT WE DO, IS TO GET
THAT RIGHT.
00:24:16AND IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
UPSET WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE
00:24:19CAN'T JUST TUNE THAT OUT AND
ACT LIKE IT DOESN'T EXIST OR
00:24:22DISMISS IT AS SOME CONSPIRACY.
THAT'S HOW PEOPLE LOSE
00:24:25ELECTIONS AND THAT'S ALSO HOW
PEOPLE LOSE THEIR LEGITIMACY AS
00:24:29LEGISLATORS.
SO WE'VE HAD OTHER
00:24:31CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES IN THE
PAST, PARTICULARLY IN OUR -- IN
00:24:34MY FIRST TERM.
BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE UNDER A BED
00:24:38SOMEPLACE.
YOU HAVE TO TALK TO PEOPLE.
00:24:39AND I REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD SOME
OF THOSE PREVIOUS ISSUES, I'M
00:24:42NOT AFRAID TO DO TOWN HALLS AND
TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF.
00:24:45PEOPLE ARE JUST, AS I SAID,
THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE
00:24:49LISTENING.
>> REPRESENTIVE STEBELTON, WHO
00:24:50IS TERM LIMITED AS SAID AS LONG
AS HE'S CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE,
00:24:54THE COMMON CORE IS STAYING.
HE WILL BE GONE NEXT YEAR.
00:24:57IF YOU HAD HERE NEXT YEAR, WILL
YOU REINTRODUCE THIS BILL?
00:25:00WILL YOU CONTINUE THIS FIGHT?
>> I'M GOING TO CONTINUE THIS
00:25:02FIGHT.
I THINK IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL
00:25:05PROCESS.
I'M SORRY TO HEAR HE'S SO
00:25:07RESOLUTE IN HIS STANCE GIVEN
WHAT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING, BUT
00:25:10I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE TERM
LIMITED, SOMETIMES YOU'RE GOING
00:25:12TO WANT TO END YOUR TENURE WITH
A CERTAIN BRAND, I GUESS.
00:25:15I WISH HE WOULD LISTEN.
I KNOW THE SPEAKER HAS SAID WE
00:25:18NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
IT'S HARD TO HAVE A
00:25:21CONVERSATION WHEN ONE SIDE
DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE A
00:25:23CONVERSATION.
BUT I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO
00:25:25EDUCATE FOLKS.
MY THOUGHTS HAVE BEEN ALWAYS
00:25:27NOT TO DEMONIZE ANYBODY WHO
DISAGREES BUT TO SAY LET'S HAVE
00:25:31THAT DEBATE.
WHAT I THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE
00:25:34PERHAPS IN OUR CAUCUS OR EVEN
IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WAS A
00:25:37REAL DEBATE ON THIS ISSUE.
I EXPECT IT'S COMING AND I LOOK
00:25:40FORWARD TO IT.
>> ANOTHER THING THAT BOTHERS
00:25:42THOMPSON IS WHAT HE CALLS THE
MINING FOR DATA NOT STRIKETLY
00:25:45TIED TO BASIC ADMINISTRATIVE
NEEDS.
00:25:47STEBELTON SHARES HIS CONCERNS
AND SAYS THAT LEGISLATION HAS
00:25:50BEEN PASSED IN OHIO THAT WOULD
RESTRICT THE COMMON CORE DATA
00:25:54THAT WILL BE SENT TO VENDORS
AND TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
00:25:57AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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