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00:00:01>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF OHIO"
00:00:17COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES,
HELPING BUSINESSES AND
00:00:20INDIVIDUALS SOLVE PROBLEMS
THROUGHOUT OHIO AND AROUND THE
00:00:23WORLD.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:28ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
TEACHERS, PROFESSIONALS, AND
00:00:33HIGHER EDUCATION FACULTY
COMMITTED TO THE SUCCESS OF
00:00:37EVERY CHILD.
>> A MORATORIUM ON EXECUTIONS IS
00:00:41IN ITS FINAL DAYS - AS
LAWMAKERS, JUSTICES AND OTHERS
00:00:43REVIEW A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS
ON HOW TO CHANGE THE DEATH
00:00:45PENALTY IN OHIO.
AND A NEW WEBSITE PROMISES HOURS
00:00:50OF FUN FOR POLITICAL JUNKIES,
HISTORY NERDS AND OTHERS
00:00:53FASCINATED BY THE NUMBERS THAT
DRIVE ELECTIONS AND CANDIDATES.
00:00:57ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:01:09EXECUTIONS IN OHIO WERE
TEMPORARILY HALTED IN MAY, WHEN
00:01:12US DISTRICT JUDGE GREGORY FROST
ORDERED A MORATORIUM TILL AUGUST
00:01:1615 SO ATTORNEYS FOR THOSE
CHALLENGING THE DEATH PENALTY
00:01:19HAVE TIME TO PREPARE FOR
ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE NEW WAY THE
00:01:23STATE WANTS TO EXECUTE KILLERS.
THE STATE PROPOSED INCREASING
00:01:26THE DOSAGE OF THE TWO DRUGS USED
IN EXECUTIONS AFTER JANUARY'S
00:01:30TROUBLED EXECUTION OF DENNIS
MCGUIRE, WHO DIED IN THE LONGEST
00:01:33EXECUTION ON RECORD IN OHIO.
AND LAST WEEK A FEDERAL JUDGE IN
00:01:37SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA HAS RULED
THE STATE'S DEATH PENALTY
00:01:40UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
THE JUDGE WROTE THAT INORDINATE
00:01:43AND UNPREDICTABLE DELAYS HAVE
RESULTED IN A DEATH PENALTY
00:01:47SYSTEM IN WHICH ARBITRARY
FACTORS DETERMINE WHETHER AN
00:01:50INDIVIDUAL WILL ACTUALLY BE
EXECUTED.
00:01:54THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CONCERNS
RAISED ABOUT THE FAIRNESS OF THE
00:01:56APPLICATION OF THE DEATH PENALTY
IN OHIO AS WELL.
00:02:02THOSE TWO STORIES MAKE A REPORT
ISSUED BY THE STATE'S DEATH
00:02:04PENALTY TASK FORCE THIS SPRING
ESPECIALLY TIMELY.
00:02:06THE PANEL OF NEARLY TWO DOZEN
LAWMAKERS, PROSECUTORS, LAW
00:02:09PROFESSORS, LAW ENFORCEMENT,
ATTORNEYS AND JUDGES AND
00:02:17WAS APPOINTED TWO YEARS AGO TO
REVIEW THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE
00:02:19DEATH PENALTY IN OHIO.
IN MAY - A YEAR LATER THAN
00:02:21EXPECTED - THE GROUP DELIVERED
ITS FINAL LIST OF 56
00:02:22RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY INCLUDE REQUIRING EITHER
00:02:29BIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE, SUCH AS
DNA, OR A VIDEOTAPED CONFESSION
00:02:31FOR A DEATH SENTENCE,
ELIMINATING THE DEATH PENALTY AS
00:02:33PUNISHMENT FOR A MURDER THAT
HAPPENS DURING THE COMMISSION OF
00:02:36ANOTHER CRIME SUCH AS KIDNAPPING
OR RAPE
00:02:39BUT THE DEATH PENALTY COULD
STILL BE AN OPTION IF THE VICTIM
00:02:41IS A CHILD OR A POLICE OFFICER,
AND BANNING THE EXECUTIONS OF
00:02:45PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL
ILLNESSES AT THE TIME OF THEIR
00:02:47CRIMES.
AMONG THOSE ON THE TASK FORCE
00:02:53WERE FOUR PROSECUTORS -
INCLUDING FRANKLIN COUNTY
00:02:59PROSECUTOR RON O'BRIEN.
O'BRIEN PRESENTED TO THE COURT A
00:03:02MINORITY REPORT OR DISSENT,
OUTLINING THE CONCERNS THE
00:03:05PROSECUTORS HAD ABOUT SOME OF
THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
00:03:06THE DAY AFTER HE PRESENTED THOSE
OBJECTIONS TO THE COURT, I
00:03:08TALKED WITH O'BRIEN ABOUT THAT
MINORITY OPINION.
00:03:13>> OUR VIEW WAS THE CHIEF
JUSTICE, WHEN SHE ASKED US TO
00:03:20PARTICIPATE, SAID A MORATORIUM
WAS NOT ON THE TABLE NOR WAS A
00:03:28REPEAL PART OF THE CHARTER.
MANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
00:03:35WOULD ACCOMPLISH JUST THAT,
INCLUDING A RECOMMENDATION THAT
00:03:44SUGGESTS THE DEATH PENALTY UNDER
OHIO LAW ARE AVAILABLE FOR
00:03:51KIDNAPPING, RAPE, BURGLARY,
ARSON, AND ROBBERY.
00:03:56NOW THAT IS PROBABLY, IF YOU ASK
THE PUBLIC, THE MOST SERIOUS YOU
00:04:08CAN THINK OF, RAPE, KIDNAPPING
OF A YOUNG WOMAN, ARMED ROBBERY,
00:04:18WHERE THERE IS EXECUTION AT A
GAS STATION OR CONVENIENCE STORE
00:04:23OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
THIS TASK FORCE HAS RECOMMENDED
00:04:28THOSE SPECIFICATIONS BE REPEALED
AND AT LEAST IN OUR VIEW THAT IS
00:04:33BEYOND THE CHARTER OF THE GROUP.
SECONDLY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE
00:04:40MOST HEINOUS CRIMES WE CAN THINK
OF, A RECOMMENDATION TO REPEAL
00:04:44THEM IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
IN THE CONTEXT OF THOSE
00:04:48RECOMMENDATIONS, THE GOAL WE
WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER WAS WHAT
00:05:00COULD BE DONE TO MAKE THE
IMPOSITION OF THE DEATH PENALTY
00:05:05MORE FAIR?
WE PRESENTED RECOMMENDATIONS,
00:05:12CURRENTLY A MITIGATION HEARING
IS ALL ABOUT THE DEFENDANT.
00:05:14NOTHING ABOUT THE VICTIM OR
THEIR FAMILY OR SURVIVORS OR THE
00:05:19IMPACT THE CRIME HAS HAD ON
OTHERS.
00:05:22IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FAIR
SENTENCING PROCESS, IT SEEMED IT
00:05:27SHOULD BE PART OF THE EQUATION.
IN THE MAJORITY OF STATES, IT
00:05:34IS.
>> AND STRENGTHENING THE
00:05:35EVIDENCE THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED
THAT MAY BE ONLY BIOLOGICAL DNA
00:05:41EVIDENCE OR A VIDEOTAPED
CONFESSION WOULD BE NEEDED FOR A
00:05:51CONVICTION.
YOU ARE OPPOSED TO THAT.
00:05:52>> RECOMMENDATION 17 SAYS IN THE
ABSENCE OF DNA OR OTHER EVIDENCE
00:06:00OR A VIDEOTAPE, NOT AUDIO TAPE,
THE DEATH PENALTY IS NOT
00:06:07SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PURSUED
BY THE STATE.
00:06:10TIMOTHY MCVEIGH, RESPONSIBLE FOR
168 DEATHS, COULD NOT BE
00:06:23PROSECUTED FOR THE DEATH
PENALTY.
00:06:26IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING THE
KINDS OF SERIOUS CRIMES THE
00:06:32DEATH PENALTY SHOULD APPLY TO,
IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT
00:06:37FAIRNESS ON THE PREMISE THERE IS
GOING TO BE, THAT THOSE FAMILIES
00:06:47THAT THE DEATH PENALTY BE
SOMETHING THAT IS CHARGEABLE AND
00:06:52UNDER CONSIDERATION AND COULD
NOT BE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DNA
00:06:57EVIDENCE TYING TIMOTHY MCVEIGH
TO THE BOMBING AND NOR DID HE
00:07:01GIVE A VIDEOTAPED STATEMENT.
>> YOU'VE GOT 43% IN HAMILTON
00:07:14COUNTY, SIX TIMES WHAT IT IS AND
FRANKLIN COUNTY.
00:07:17HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT WITHOUT
GOING TO A STATEWIDE PANEL AND
00:07:23STILL HAVE IT SO IT DOES NOT
FEEL LIKE IT IS THE LOTTERY?
00:07:26IT IS A LOTTERY WHERE YOU ARE
CHARGED AND GIVES YOU ON SUN
00:07:33WHETHER YOU WILL BE CHARGED OR
NOT.
00:07:34>> YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE
EVIDENCE.
00:07:36IN EACH OF THOSE CASES, AND BACK
TO THE JURY SYSTEM, THE JURORS
00:07:45ARE THE ONES THAT HEAR THESE
CASES AND THEY MAKE A
00:07:47RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHALLENGE.
I CAN THINK OF A FEW CASES WHERE
00:07:54JUDGES HAVE HER DEAD AND -- HAVE
REJECTED THE JURY SYSTEM.
00:08:02SO UNLESS WE SAY THAT IS TO BE
ABOLISHED, I DON'T THINK ANYONE
00:08:06FAVORS THAT, YOU WILL HAVE
JURIES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE
00:08:10STATE LOOKING AT THAT QUESTION
AND IT IS A SERIOUS ONE.
00:08:16IT SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUS BY
EVERYONE IN THE PROCESS.
00:08:18THERE IS A LOT OF FACTORS THAT
ENTER INTO DIFFERENT VERDICTS.
00:08:24AGAIN, IT SHOULD BE ONLY ON THE
EVIDENCE AND WHAT THE
00:08:29INSTRUCTIONS THE JUDGE MAY GIVE.
AND
00:08:33>> O'BRIEN SAYS ONE
RECOMMENDATION HE AGREES WITH IS
00:08:36A BAN ON DEATH SENTENCES BASED
ON TESTIMONY FROM JAILHOUSE
00:08:37SNITCHES.
BUT HE SAYS THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN,
00:08:39BECAUSE THAT KIND OF EVIDENCE IS
SO SUSPECT THAT NO PROSECUTOR
00:08:40WOULD GO FOR THE DEATH PENALTY
BASED ON IT.
00:08:43THERE WERE OPPONENTS OF THE
STATE'S DEATH PENALTY ON THE
00:08:46TASK FORCE AS WELL
FOR INSTANCE, ATTORNEY JON PAUL
00:08:47RION.
HE'S THE DAYTON ATTORNEY
00:08:50REPRESENTING THE FAMILY OF
DENNIS MCGUIRE, WHO ARE SUING
00:08:53THE STATE OVER MCGUIRE'S JANUARY
EXECUTION.
00:08:56TWO WEEKS AGO THE STATE ASKED
FOR THAT LAWSUIT TO BE
00:08:58DISMISSED, SAYING THAT ONLY
MCGUIRE COULD ARGUE THAT HIS
00:09:00CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WERE
VIOLATED.
00:09:03THE JUDGE SAYS HE'LL MEET WITH
BOTH SIDES IN THE CASE IN
00:09:05SEPTEMBER.
RION IS ON THE BOARD OF OHIOANS
00:09:08TO STOP EXECUTIONS.
KEVIN WERNER IS THAT
00:09:11ORGANIZATION'S EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR, AND I ALSO TALKED WITH
00:09:13HIM THIS WEEK ABOUT THE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
00:09:21>> OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE
CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE.
00:09:24THIS STEMS FROM A 2007 REPORT
THAT OHIO FAILED TO MEET 93
00:09:35PERCENT OF GUIDELINES IN THE
CAPITAL SYSTEM.
00:09:36SO 56 RECOMMENDATIONS COMING
FROM THE TASK FORCE WILL MAKE
00:09:44THE SYSTEM MORE FAIR AND
ACCURATE.
00:09:45>> YOU TALK ABOUT FAIRNESS, THE
PROSECUTORS HAVE AN ATTITUDE
00:09:50THAT WHEN THERE IS A DEATH
PENALTY CASE IT IS BECAUSE THE
00:09:53EVIDENCE IS STRONG.
IT IS NOT DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU
00:09:58WERE CHARGED, IT ALL DEPENDS ON
THE EVIDENCE.
00:10:01THEY WON'T GO FORWARD UNLESS THE
EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THAT.
00:10:08>> FOUR PROSECUTORS TO INSIST
THAT, THE PROCESS IS SOMEHOW
00:10:13SWAYED IN FAVOR OF THE DEFENSE,
THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.
00:10:18THE PROSECUTORS DON'T LIKE THE
OUTCOME OF THIS PROCESS.
00:10:23I SUSPECT THAT IS WHY THERE IS
SOME DISAGREEMENT OR SOME
00:10:33OPPOSITION TO THIS PROCESS.
>> THE DEATH PENALTY WAS NOT OFF
00:10:38THE TABLE.
IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE
00:10:40ELIMINATED.
THAT WAS MADE CLEAR IN THE
00:10:43BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS.
I IMAGINE THAT IS DISAPPOINTING.
00:10:45>> IT IS DISAPPOINTING TO ME AND
THE ORGANIZATION.
00:10:53HOWEVER, OHIO HAS A LONG HISTORY
OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.
00:10:59WE HAVE EXECUTION SCHEDULED TWO
YEARS IN ADVANCE.
00:11:05WE KNOW THE DEATH PENALTY IS NOT
LEAVING ANYTIME SOON.
00:11:07WE DO AGREE IF WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE A SYSTEM, IT NEEDS TO BE
00:11:13FAIR AND ACCURATE AND PEOPLE
LIKE ARTHUR TYLER ARE NOT
00:11:17EXECUTED.
THE SIX INNOCENT MAN WHO WE
00:11:22FREED.
WE RECOGNIZE THIS AS A WAY TO
00:11:26MAKE THE SYSTEM BETTER, THAT IS
OUR COMMON GROUND WITH
00:11:31PROSECUTORS, JUDGES, WE SHOULD
HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS FREE OF
00:11:35ERROR.
THAT IS WHAT THIS PROCESS IS
00:11:37ABOUT.
>> ONE OF THE MAJOR POINTS OF
00:11:40CONTENTION IN THE REPORT IS A
RECOMMENDATION THAT A COMMITTEE
00:11:42OF FORMER PROSECUTORS AND
ATTORNEYS IN THE AG'S OFFICE
00:11:44REVIEW CASES TO DECIDE IF COUNTY
PROSECUTORS CAN SEEK THE DEATH
00:11:45PENALTY.
O'BRIEN SAYS THAT TAKES AWAY A
00:11:49CRITICAL POWER THAT PROSECUTORS
ARE ELECTED TO USE.
00:11:53BUT WERNER SAYS THOSE
PROSECUTORS SHOULD BE PREPARED
00:11:55TO SHOULDER THE FINANCIAL BURDEN
OF CAPITAL TRIALS AND THE MANY
00:11:59YEARS OF APPEALS THAT FOLLOW IF
THEY WANT TO PURSUE THEM.
00:12:03BY THE WAY, WERNER MENTIONED
ARTHUR TYLER, WHO HAD BEEN
00:12:06SENTENCED TO DIE FOR THE MURDER
OF SANDER LEACH IN 1983.
00:12:12GOV. KASICH SPARED HIM FROM
EXECUTION IN MAY, AND COMMUTED
00:12:14HIS SENTENCE TO LIFE IN PRISON
DISAGREEING WITH THE OHIO PAROLE
00:12:16BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION THAT HE
EVENTUALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR
00:12:18PAROLE.
TYLER SAID IN A LETTER TO KASICH
00:12:24THIS MONTH THAT CLEMENCY
ESSENTIALLY RESENTENCED HIM TO
00:12:26DEATH IN PRISON FOR A CRIME HE
DIDN'T COMMIT.
00:12:33BACK TO JUDGE FROST'S MORATORIUM
- IT EXPIRES ON AUGUST 15.
00:12:36THE NEXT INMATE SCHEDULED FOR
EXECUTION IS RONALD PHILLIPS,
00:12:39WHO'S SET TO DIE ON SEPTEMBER
18.
00:12:42HIS EXECUTION HAS BEEN DELAYED
TWICE, ONCE BY THE MORATORIUM
00:12:46AND ONCE BY GOV.
KASICH, WHO WANTED TIME TO
00:12:52INVESTIGATE PHILLIPS'S PROPOSAL
TO DONATE HIS ORGANS.
00:12:54PHILLIPS IS NOW ASKING FOR A
FURTHER DELAY, BUT IT APPEARS
00:12:56UNLIKELY HE'LL BE GRANTED THAT.
WHILE REPORTERS OFTEN JOKE THAT
00:13:00WE WENT INTO THIS PROFESSION
BECAUSE WE'RE TERRIBLE WITH
00:13:03MATH, WE NEED TO KNOW A LOT MORE
ABOUT NUMBERS, PERCENTAGES AND
00:13:05STATISTICS THAN MANY OTHER
NON-JOURNALISTS.
00:13:08ELECTION YEARS ARE AN EXCELLENT
EXAMPLE OF HOW IMPORTANT NUMBERS
00:13:10ARE TO POLITICAL REPORTING, AND
THERE'S NOW A WEBSITE THAT SHOWS
00:13:14THAT IN VERY CAREFUL DETAIL.
THE SITE OHIOELECTIONRESULTS.COM
00:13:18WAS SET UP BY LONGTIME
REPUBLICAN POLITICAL STRATEGIST
00:13:21AND CONSULTANT MIKE DAWSON,
FORMER PRESS SECRETARY TO GOV.
00:13:26GEORGE VOINOVICH AND A TOP AIDE
TO FORMER US SENATOR MIKE
00:13:29DEWINE.
DAWSON IS ALSO A FORMIDABLE AND
00:13:32DEEPLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ELECTION
HISTORIAN WHO HAS MAPPED OUT THE
00:13:36RESULTS OF HUNDREDS OF OHIO
ELECTIONS OVER THE LAST 150
00:13:38YEARS AND BROKEN DOWN THE MOST
RECENT ONES BY CONTEST, BY MEDIA
00:13:43MARKET, BY REGION, BY COUNTY,
AND IN MANY OTHER WAYS.
00:13:46IT'S A TREASURE TROVE OF DATA
FOR POLITICAL JUNKIES WHO WANT
00:13:50TO UNDERSTAND WHY OHIO IS ALWAYS
CALLED A BELLWETHER STATE IN
00:13:53PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, AND WHO
WANT TO TRY TO GUESS HOW OHIO
00:13:56VOTERS WILL GO IN THE FUTURE.
IN MAY, I TALKED WITH MIKE
00:14:01DAWSON ABOUT HIS SITE, AND WHY
HE SPENT SO MUCH TIME AND ENERGY
00:14:04ON BRINGING SO MUCH DATA
TOGETHER IN SUCH AN EASILY
00:14:06ACCESSIBLE WAY.
>> I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME
00:14:16STATISTIC SEND A NOTICE THE
SECRETARY OF STATE'S BOOKS,
00:14:23THERE WAS NO PLACE THAT COMBINES
THEM ALL SO YOU COULD LOOK AT
00:14:25RACES OVER TIME AND SEE WHAT WAS
HAPPENING IN THE DIFFERENT
00:14:31REGIONS AND COUNTIES.
ONE OF THE FASCINATING THINGS IS
00:14:36NORTHEAST OHIO, IN THE FIRST 20
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS OF THE 40
00:14:43I HAVE COVERED, THEY VOTED FOR
REPUBLICANS SEVEN -- A 17 OUT OF
00:14:4920 TIMES.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW REGIONS AND
00:14:55COUNTIES CHANGE.
>> LET'S START WITH THE
00:14:59GOVERNOR.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
00:15:01TALKING ABOUT IT IS GOING TO BE
A CLOSE RACE FOR GOVERNOR
00:15:06BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE
REGISTERED DEMOCRATS BUT
00:15:09REPUBLICANS TURN OUT MORE IN
THESE NONPRESIDENTIAL YEARS.
00:15:13THERE IS A FIGHT FOR 10% OF THE
VOTERS.
00:15:16MANY PEOPLE MIGHT ACTUALLY TURN
OUT TO BE WRONG.
00:15:21>> WE WENT TO FOUR-YEAR TERMS IN
1958.
00:15:28WE HAVE HAD 14 ELECTIONS AND IN
10 OF THOSE THEY HAVE BEEN
00:15:35DECIDED BY 10 PERCENTAGE POINTS
OR MORE AND FIVE BY 20%.
00:15:39THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT
ADDING THE STATISTICS
00:15:46SIDE-BY-SIDE, YOU SEE THINGS ON
AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
00:15:50YOU START TO SEE TRENDS LIKE
THAT.
00:15:52>> YOU HAVE A LOT OF TRENDS IN
TERMS OF VOTER TURNOUT AND WHO
00:15:57ACTUALLY IS SHOWING UP.
IT IS INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE
00:16:04BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY VOTERS
TURNED OUT 40 YEARS AGO VERSUS
00:16:10NOW.
>> I WENT BACK TO 1960.
00:16:12SOME PEOPLE CONSIDER THAT TO BE
MODERN-DAY AND LOOKED AT THE
00:16:18TURNOUT IN PRESIDENTIAL YEARS.
THE FIRST 24 YEARS IT WAS ABOUT
00:16:224.2 MILLION AND THEN IN THAT
STEP TO ABOUT 4.6.
00:16:28IN 2004, AN INCREASE, ONE
MILLION MORE THAN IN 2000 AND
00:16:38LARGELY THOSE PEOPLE HAVE STAYED
AND VOTED IN THE NEXT ELECTIONS.
00:16:41CONVERSELY IN THE GOVERNOR'S
RACE, YOU HAD AS MANY CAST IN
00:16:46THE 1962 GOVERNOR'S RACE THAN IN
THE 2002 RACE.
00:16:50BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN THE
ELECTORATE, THOSE NUMBERS
00:17:02INCREASED BY 800,000 WHICH IS
WHY TED STRICKLAND ONE AND Y
00:17:062010 WAS CLOSER THAN NORMAL.
MORE PEOPLE ARE IN THE POOL.
00:17:13>> WE HAVE HAD THIS FOCUS ON
GETTING PEOPLE REGISTERED AND
00:17:17YET PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO TURN
OUT AS MANY AS ARE REGISTERED.
00:17:22>> I DON'T USE REGISTERED VOTERS
IN MY STATISTICS.
00:17:28IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE COUNTY
CLEANS ITS ROLES.
00:17:31I TEND TO LOOK AT ACTUAL VOTERS.
>> IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE THE
00:17:41TURNOUT BETWEEN A PRESIDENTIAL
YEAR AND A GOVERNOR'S RACE.
00:17:44THERE IS A HUGE DROP OFF.
>> USUALLY ABOUT A 30% DROP OFF
00:17:54FROM THE CURRENT PRESIDENTIAL
RACE.
00:17:55SO BETWEEN 2008 IN THE 2010
GOVERNOR'S RACE, 1.5 MILLION
00:18:03PEOPLE.
WHY IS THAT?
00:18:05IS IT JUST PEOPLE ARE MORE
MOTIVATED NONPRESIDENTIAL YEARS?
00:18:14>> THERE ARE OTHER STATISTICS
THAT WOULD DEMONSTRATE DEMOCRATS
00:18:21ARE MORE INTERESTED IN VOTED IN
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.
00:18:24IN THE LAST 10 RACES,
REPUBLICANS HAVE WON FIVE TIMES
00:18:33AND DEMOCRATS FIVE TIMES.
IN GOVERNOR'S RACES, SEVEN FOR
00:18:40THE REPUBLICANS WHICH MEANS MORE
OF THEM ARE COMING OUT IN THOSE
00:18:42YEARS.
>> YOU LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWNS
00:18:47FOR THE 2010 RACE, YOU CAN SEE
HOW THE NUMBERS BREAK DOWN AND
00:18:55WHO IS VOTING.
PARTS OF OHIO ARE RED, AND BLUE.
00:18:59>> THE 2010 GOVERNOR'S RACE, IF
YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON THE
00:19:05WEBSITE, TED STRICKLAND WON MOST
OF THE COUNTIES IN SOUTHEAST
00:19:10OHIO WHERE HE IS FROM.
JOHN KASICH IS LIKELY TO CAPTURE
00:19:15THEM BECAUSE THEY TEND TO VOTE A
LITTLE BIT MORE REPUBLICAN,
00:19:20ESPECIALLY RECENTLY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2010 MAP, HE
00:19:25LOST FRANKLIN COUNTY.
HE WILL DO BETTER STATISTICALLY
00:19:29BASED ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN
THE PAST.
00:19:30LOOKING AT THE MAPS ARE
FASCINATING.
00:19:35I HAD A GOOD GRAPHICS DESIGNER
WHO HELPED ME.
00:19:38>> THERE ARE ALWAYS KIND OF
FACTS.
00:19:41NO CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR HAS
WHATEVER ONE ALL 88 COUNTIES.
00:19:47>> THAT IS CORRECT.
I WAS SURPRISED.
00:19:49GEORGE GRANDE 72%, THE LARGEST
EVER SINCE 1885 BUT ONLY 86
00:19:59COUNTIES.
TWO PEOPLE CARRIED ALL OF THE
00:20:06COUNTIES, JOHN GLENN IN 1974,
AND AGAIN IN 2004.
00:20:12>> IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE HAD A
REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT FOR
00:20:19SEVERAL YEARS.
THE DEMOCRATS REALLY DOMINATED
00:20:23IN THE U.S. SENATE FOR A WHILE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
00:20:27PRESIDENTIAL RACES, HALF
REPUBLICAN, THIS IS A SPLIT
00:20:31STATE EVEN THOUGH YOU LOOK AT
2010 AND LAST YEAR WITH OBAMA.
00:20:38CLICK CERTAINLY IN PRESIDENTIAL
YEARS IT IS A SWING STATE.
00:20:44IT IS NOT IN NONPRESIDENTIAL
YEARS.
00:20:46I WAS LOOKING AT RACES FOR THE
EXECUTIVE OFFICES, AND IN THE
00:20:591970'S AND 1980'S, DEMOCRATS
182%.
00:21:02REPUBLICANS HAVE WON 75%.
THERE HAS BEEN A FLIP WHICH
00:21:09WOULD INDICATE IN THE
NONPRESIDENTIAL YEARS, OHIO IS
00:21:14LEANING REPUBLICAN.
>> SOME MIGHT WONDER IF THERE IS
00:21:17ANY DATA THAT INDICATES WHAT
REDISTRICTING HAS DONE AND WHAT
00:21:25PEOPLE SAY GERRYMANDERING HAS
DONE.
00:21:27DO YOU SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF
GERRYMANDERING IN YOUR STANCE?
00:21:29>> BECAUSE OF THE LINES CHANGE
EVERY 10 YEARS, I CHOSE NOT TO
00:21:36DO OHIO SENATE AND HOUSE RACES.
IT IS JUST TOO DIFFICULT.
00:21:43ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT
STATEWIDE RACES, THERE ARE NO
00:21:47GERRYMANDERED LINES.
IT IS EASIER TO LOOK AT THAT
00:21:51WAY.
>> DO YOU SEE ANY OPENINGS FOR A
00:21:56THIRD PARTY TO TRY TO REALLY
HAVE A MARK AND MAKE INROADS IN
00:22:00ANY OF THESE RACES?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
00:22:06THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM IS TOO
STRONG.
00:22:07WHEN OTHER CANDIDATES HAVE
GOTTEN VOTES, IT IS NOT A
00:22:10SIGNIFICANT NUMBER.
I DO NOT SEE IT IN THE NEAR
00:22:14FUTURE.
>> WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WEBSITE
00:22:18NOW?
WHAT MORE WOULD YOU WANT TO ADD?
00:22:22>> ONLY A FRACTION OF THE DATA
IS ON THE WEBSITE.
00:22:29I CAN ADD HUNDREDS OF MORE
DOCUMENTS.
00:22:34I AM PROBABLY GOING TO ADD SOME
MORE.
00:22:39I HAVE SOME SUPREME COURT
STATISTICS AND OTHER
00:22:42NON-GUBERNATORIAL STATISTICS.
I AM PROBABLY GOING TO DO SOME
00:22:46MORE CHARTS AND GRAPHS SO IT IS
MORE EXPLANATORY, YOU CAN SEE
00:22:52WHAT HAPPENS OVER TIME.
I ONLY HAVE A FRACTION OF MY
00:22:56STATISTICS.
>> DAWSON SAID HE HOPES PEOPLE
00:23:02WILL USE HIS MAPS AND GRAPHS IN
POLITICAL SCIENCE COURSES AND
00:23:05THAT POLITICAL JUNKIES WILL
SPEND HOURS LOOKING OVER ALL THE
00:23:06DATA, AS HE HAS OVER THE YEARS.
AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
00:23:08FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO PUBLIC
RADIO AND TELEVISION, THANKS FOR
00:23:10WATCHING.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS,
00:23:11MAKE COMMENTS, OR WATCH THIS
WEEK'S SHOW OR EARLIER EPISODES,
00:23:14PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT
STATENEWS.ORG, OR WATCH ON THE
00:23:17OHIO CHANNEL'S WEBSITE OR AT
IDEASTREAM.ORG/OHIO.
00:23:24AND YOU CAN FOLLOW JO INGLES,
ANDY CHOW AND ME ON TWITTER.
00:23:26AND PLEASE JOIN US AGAIN NEXT
TIME FOR "THE STATE OF OHIO."
00:23:29WE CLOSE THIS WEEK WITH IMAGES
AND SOUNDS FROM THE OPENING DAY
00:23:32OF THE 160TH OHIO STATE FAIR IN
COLUMBUS.
00:23:36THE FAIR RUNS THROUGH AUGUST 3.
?
00:23:40?
>> I AM SERVING OF THE JUNIOR
00:25:03FAIR BOARD.
I HOPE YOU FIND SOMETHING UNIQUE
00:25:07AND SOMETHING THAT WILL LEAVE A
LASTING MEMORY IN THE MINDS AND
00:25:10HEARTS OF YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
>> THE FAIR IS THE BEST IN THE
00:25:16NATION.
I AM VERY PROUD OF THAT.
00:25:17>> LET'S CUT THE RIBBON AND HAVE
A GREAT TIME.
00:25:21THE SAFE AND THANK YOU TO THE
HIGHWAY PATROL FOR KEEPING THE
00:25:24FAIRGROUNDS SAFE AND FAMILIES,
AND LOVE THE FAIR AND I WANT TO
00:25:29THANK THE FANS.
LOOK AT ALL OF THESE KIDS.
00:25:31>> ARE WE ALL SET UP?
1, 2, 3.
00:25:34?
>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATE OF OHIO
00:26:32COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES OF
PORTER, WRIGHT, AND MORRIS,
00:26:37HELPING INDIVIDUALS SOLVE
COMPLEX LEGAL PROBLEMS ACROSS
00:26:40THE COUNTRY AND WORLD.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:26:46ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
TEACHERS, SUPPORT PROFESSIONALS,
00:26:50AND HIGHER EDUCATION FACULTY,
COMMITTED TO THE SUCCESS OF
00:26:54EVERY CHILD.
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