00:00:01 | >> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE |
00:00:08 | BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF OHIO" COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES OF |
00:00:13 | PORTER, WRIGHT, MORRIS ALOPE, HELPING INDIVIDUALS SOLVE LEGAL |
00:00:18 | PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND AROUND THE |
00:00:22 | WORLD, ON THE WEB AT POE RTERWRIGHT.COM. |
00:00:27 | AND THE OHIO EDUCATION FOUNDATION, WHO ARE WORKING FOR |
00:00:32 | GREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR EVERY CHILD. |
00:00:35 | ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THE STATE OF OHIO IS MADE POSSIBLE BY E- |
00:00:40 | TECH OHIO. >>ONE PARTY CHAIR STEPS DOWN, |
00:00:44 | AND ANOTHER AWAITS A VOTE ON HIS LEADERSHIP. |
00:00:47 | FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL MARC DANN MAKES HISTORY BEFORE THE |
00:00:49 | OHIO SUPREME COURT -- BUT LIKELY NOT IN THE WAY HE WANTED. |
00:00:51 | AND OHIO'S WELFARE ROLLS ARE DROPPING -- BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE |
00:00:54 | BEING TOSSED OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE WORK |
00:00:56 | REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SET BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. |
00:00:57 | A PANEL OF EXPERTS ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WELFARE REFORM AND |
00:01:04 | HOW IT IS WORKING OR NOT WORKING. |
00:01:05 | ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF OHIO". |
00:01:08 | THE EMBATTLED CHIEF OF THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS ANNOUNCED |
00:01:12 | HE'S STEPPING DOWN -- JUST DAYS AHEAD OF A CENTRAL COMMITTEE |
00:01:16 | VOTE ON HIS LEADERSHIP. KEVIN DEWINE, WHO WAS AT THE HELM OF |
00:01:20 | THE OHIO GOP AS REPUBLICANS TOOK NEARLY EVERY OFFICE IN |
00:01:22 | STATE GOVERNMENT IN 2010, HAS BEEN LOCKED IN CONFLICT WITH |
00:01:25 | ALLIES OF GOV. JOHN KASICH, WHO'S WANTED DEWINE TO RESIGN |
00:01:28 | FOR MORE THAN A YEAR. DEWINE SENT OUT A LETTER TO CENTRAL |
00:01:33 | COMMITTEE MEMBERS THIS WEEK -- IT READS IN PART: |
00:01:36 | >> FACTIONS WITHIN OUR PARTY ARE ALIGNED TO FIGHT OVER WHO IS |
00:01:39 | BEST TO LEAD US FORWARD. A MEETING LOOMS WHERE THAT FIGHT |
00:01:42 | COULD ERUPT INTO A PARTY- SPLITTING DISPUTE THAT NO ONE |
00:01:45 | WILL WIN AND EVERYONE WILL LAMENT. I'M HONORED BY THE |
00:01:48 | LARGE NUMBER OF STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE |
00:01:52 | WILLING, EVEN EAGER, TO FIGHT TO SUSTAIN MY LEADERSHIP. YET I |
00:01:55 | CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE LET THAT FIGHT GO FORWARD. IF I |
00:01:58 | DID, IT WOULD BE PUTTING MY PERSONAL INTERESTS OVER OUR |
00:02:01 | PARTY'S BEST INTERESTS. AND I CARE TOO MUCH ABOUT OUR WORK TO |
00:02:04 | DO THAT. THAT'S WHY, AT OUR STATE COMMITTEE MEETING ON APRIL |
00:02:08 | 13, I WILL STEP ASIDE AS CHAIRMAN OF THE OHIO REPUBLICAN |
00:02:12 | PARTY. >> DEWINE HAD SAID A FEW WEEKS |
00:02:15 | AGO THAT HE WOULD NOT RUN FOR RE-ELECTION WHEN HIS TERM ENDS |
00:02:19 | LATER THIS YEAR, AND BOTH DEWINE AND KASICH HAD CLAIMED |
00:02:21 | THEY EACH HAD A MAJORITY OF VOTES ON THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE. |
00:02:24 | FORMER OHIO GOP CHAIRMAN BOB BENNETT HAS CONFIRMED THAT HE'S |
00:02:27 | IN TALKS WITH THE PARTY ABOUT TAKING OVER FOR DEWINE. BENNETT |
00:02:30 | SERVED FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS AND IS CREDITED WITH KEEPING |
00:02:35 | REPUBLICANS IN CONTROL OF STATE GOVERNMENT FOR MUCH OF THAT |
00:02:37 | TIME. MEANWHILE, OHIO DEMOCRATIC |
00:02:40 | PARTY CHAIR CHRIS REDFERN HAS A CHALLENGER AS HE RUNS FOR |
00:02:44 | ANOTHER TERM AT THE HELM OF HIS PARTY. LORAIN COUNTY PARTY |
00:02:49 | OFFICIAL TONY GIARDINI SAYS HE HAS THE BACKING OF SOME UNIONS |
00:02:51 | DISAPPOINTED IN REDFERN'S LEADERSHIP. BUT OTHER UNIONS |
00:02:54 | ARE STANDING BEHIND HIM, AND REDFERN SAID IN A STATEMENT THAT |
00:02:58 | HE FEELS HE HAS THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT OF THE STATE CENTRAL |
00:03:01 | COMMITTEE AND ORGANIZED LABOR -- AND THE STATEMENT READS IN |
00:03:03 | PART:>> LIKE WITH ANY LARGE ORGANIZATION, WE AS DEMOCRATS |
00:03:08 | HAVE DISAGREEMENTS OVER TIME BUT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO UNITE |
00:03:10 | AND COME TOGETHER DESPITE ANY DIFFERENCES WITHIN THE FAMILY |
00:03:14 | AS WE TACKLE, TOGETHER, THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTIONS OF OUR |
00:03:20 | LIFETIMES. >> THIS WEEK MARC DANN BECAME |
00:03:23 | THE FIRST FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL TO COME BEFORE THE OHIO |
00:03:25 | SUPREME COURT WITH HIS LAW LICENSE ON THE LINE. THE |
00:03:28 | QUESTION IS WHETHER THE DISGRACED FORMER AG SHOULD HAVE |
00:03:30 | HIS LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR SIX MONTHS, OR WHETHER THAT PENALTY |
00:03:32 | WILL BE STAYED, BECAUSE OF TWO MISDEMEANOR ETHICS VIOLATIONS, |
00:03:39 | AND NOT BECAUSE OF THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT SCANDAL WHICH CAUSED |
00:03:41 | HIM TO RESIGN IN MAY 2008. JOSEPH CALIGIURI, REPRESENTING |
00:03:46 | THE COURT'S DISCIPLINARY COUNSEL, SAID DANN'S POSITION |
00:03:47 | AS AG IS IMPORTANT IN DETERMINING THE PENALTY. |
00:03:49 | >> THE RESPONDENT, WHEN HE COMMITTED THIS MISCONDUCT, WAS |
00:04:00 | ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE PRACTICE OF LAW. |
00:04:02 | HE WAS SERVING AS THE STATE'S CHIEF LEGAL OFFICER, AND THE |
00:04:07 | RESPONDENT HIMSELF AGREES WITH THE BOARD FINDING IN PARAGRAPH |
00:04:10 | 33 OF THE REPORT THAT THE RESPONDENT'S POSITION AS |
00:04:13 | ATTORNEY GENERAL SET HIM APART FROM OTHER LAWYERS AND THAT HE |
00:04:15 | SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD. |
00:04:18 | THE SECOND FACTOR THAT THIS COURT SHOULD CONSIDER IS THE |
00:04:21 | FACT THAT THE RESPONDENT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCIPLINED. |
00:04:24 | IT IS THIS AGGRAVATING FACTOR THAT DISTINGUISHES THIS CASE |
00:04:29 | FROM THE OTHER CASES IN WHICH PUBLIC OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN |
00:04:33 | SUBJECTED TO PUBLIC DISCIPLINE. >> BUT DANN'S LAWYER ALVIN |
00:04:43 | MATHEWS SAID A SUSPENSION OF DANN'S LAW LICENSE WOULD BE A |
00:04:45 | MUCH STIFFER PENALTY THAN THE REPRIMAND GIVEN TO REPUBLICAN |
00:04:47 | FORMER GOV. BOB TAFT, WHO ALSO ADMITTED TO ETHICS VIOLATIONS |
00:04:48 | AND STAYED IN OFFICE. >> THE CONTACT WITH TAFT WAS |
00:04:52 | REPEATED MORE TIMES. THE FACT THAT A CHARTER PLANE |
00:04:55 | WAS INVOLVED -- THAT IS DIFFERENT, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE |
00:04:58 | THAT. HOWEVER, WHAT WE WANT TO SAY IS |
00:05:02 | BECAUSE DISCIPLINARY COUNCIL WOULD STAND UP AND SAY, AND THEY |
00:05:05 | SAID IT IN THEIR BRIEF, THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE CHIEF |
00:05:08 | LAWYER HAS BEEN DISCIPLINED, OR IS PROPOSED TO BE DISCIPLINED. |
00:05:14 | WELL, WE HAVE HAD OTHER HIGH OFFICES THAT HAVE BEEN |
00:05:17 | DISCIPLINED -- THAT IS ALL WE ARE SAYING. |
00:05:19 | YOU DO NOT JUST LOOK AT THE OFFICE IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT YOU |
00:05:22 | LOOK AT THE CONDUCT. <NO VIDEO><VIDEO OK> |
00:05:29 | >> DANN DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK TO REPORTERS AFTER THE ARGUMENTS. |
00:05:31 | MATHEWS ASKED THE COURT TO CONSIDER DANN'S FREE LEGAL WORK |
00:05:33 | IN THE CLEVELAND AREA FOR PEOPLE FACING FORECLOSURE, AND THAT |
00:05:34 | THEY WOULD BE DEVASTATED IF DANN COULDN'T WORK. CALIGUIRI SAID |
00:05:37 | THAT'S ONE FACTOR TO CONSIDER, BUT THAT IT DOESN'T OUTWEIGH |
00:05:39 | DANN'S ACTIONS. OHIO'S WELFARE ROLLS HAVE |
00:05:44 | DROPPED 18% OVER THE PAST YEAR -- THE LATEST NUMBERS SHOW 84- |
00:05:48 | THOUSAND OHIOANS ARE RECEIVING CASH ASSISTANCE FROM THE STATE, |
00:05:53 | DOWN FROM 102-THOUSAND THE YEAR BEFORE. THE IMPROVING ECONOMY IS |
00:05:57 | ONE REASON FOR THE DROP, BUT THE STATE HAS ALSO BEEN KICKING |
00:05:59 | PEOPLE OFF THE WELFARE ROLLS. FEDERAL WELFARE REFORM REQUIRES |
00:06:03 | HALF OF THE STATE'S WELFARE RECIPIENTS TO BE WORKING OR IN |
00:06:06 | JOB TRAINING PROGRAMS FOR 30 HOURS A WEEK FOR SINGLE-PARENT |
00:06:10 | FAMILIES, AND 55 HOURS A WEEK FOR TWO-PARENT FAMILIES, THOUGH |
00:06:18 | THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS. AND FOR SEVERAL YEARS, ONLY AROUND |
00:06:20 | ONE IN FOUR OHIOANS RECEIVING ASSISTANCE WERE COMPLETING |
00:06:22 | THEIR WORK REQUIREMENTS, SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STARTED |
00:06:26 | FINING THE STATE. OHIO WAS SLAPPED WITH THE HIGHEST FINES |
00:06:29 | IN THE NATION, AND COULD $130 MILLION IN FUNDING BY THE END |
00:06:31 | OF SEPTEMBER UNLESS THAT PERCENTAGE GOES UP TO 50 |
00:06:39 | PERCENT. SO THE STATE'S JOB AND FAMILY SERVICES AGENCIES HAVE |
00:06:43 | PUT TOGETHER A PSA, AND ARE CRACKING DOWN ON THOSE WHO |
00:06:45 | AREN'T MEETING THEIR WORK REQUIREMENTS -- THAT MEANS SOME |
00:06:47 | PEOPLE ARE NOW OFF THE WELFARE ROLLS. BUT SOME OF THOSE WHO |
00:06:50 | WORK WITH RECIPIENTS WHO ARE IN DANGER OF LOSING THAT ASSISTANCE |
00:06:53 | ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM IF THEY DO. |
00:06:56 | HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS NEW EFFORT AND THE WORK REQUIREMENT |
00:06:59 | IDEA IN GENERAL ARE FOUR PEOPLE ON THE FRONT LINES. MICHAEL |
00:07:02 | COLBERT IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF JOB AND |
00:07:07 | FAMILY SERVICES. JOEL POTTS IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE |
00:07:11 | JOB AND FAMILY SERVICES DIRECTORS' ASSOCIATION, WORKING |
00:07:13 | WITH COUNTY OFFICES AROUND THE STATE. PHIL COLE IS WITH THE |
00:07:16 | OHIO ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCIES, AND REPRESENTS |
00:07:19 | 50 OFFICES WORKING WITH LOW INCOME OHIOANS. AND JACK FRECH |
00:07:24 | IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE ATHENS COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF JOB AND |
00:07:26 | FAMILY SERVICES. HE JOINS US THROUGH THE |
00:07:31 | FACILITIES AT WOUB IN ATHENS. I WANT TO START WITH YOU, |
00:07:37 | DIRECTOR, AND THE SUBJECT OF THE PSA YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS PUT |
00:07:40 | TOGETHER. IS IT TO REMIND RECIPIENTS OF |
00:07:43 | THEIR OBLIGATIONS, OR IS IT TO TELL TAXPAYERS THAT PEOPLE |
00:07:47 | RECEIVING CASH ASSISTANCE DO HAVE TO WORK? |
00:07:48 | >> IT IS TO REMIND RECIPIENTS THAT IF THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE |
00:07:52 | ADVANTAGE OF THESE BENEFITS, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A WORK |
00:07:55 | ACTIVITY, AND A WORK ACTIVITY IS NOT NECESSARILY JUST WORK. |
00:08:00 | IT COULD BE COMMUNITY SERVICE. IT COULD BE JOB READINESS |
00:08:04 | TRAINING. IT COULD BE EDUCATION THAT IS |
00:08:06 | DIRECTLY JOB-RELATED. >> DID THIS TAXPAYERS KNOW THAT |
00:08:12 | BEFORE GOING IN -- DID THOSE TAXPAYERS KNOW THAT? |
00:08:15 | >> I DO NOT THINK THE EDUCATION WAS THAT RIGHT, SO WE DECIDED TO |
00:08:18 | DO THE PSA TO HELP THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BUT IT IS REALLY |
00:08:21 | TARGETED AT THE INDIVIDUAL. WE NEEDED A CULTURE SHIFT IN |
00:08:25 | OHIO TO MAKE THE WORK PARTICIPATION PROCESS AND |
00:08:28 | UPFRONT PROCESS. WE HAD TO GET THE INDIVIDUAL |
00:08:31 | INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHO IS |
00:08:34 | ACTUALLY BEING REMOVED. ARE THESE LONG-TERM UNEMPLOYED |
00:08:38 | PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET WORK? |
00:08:40 | ARE THESE PEOPLE WHO YOU FEEL ARE NOT REALLY USING THE SYSTEM |
00:08:45 | AND ARE NOT DOING MORE AND TRYING HARDER? |
00:08:47 | WHO ARE THESE FOLKS? >> KEEP IN MIND THAT THE BULK OF |
00:08:51 | THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING CASH ASSISTANCE ARE NOT DUE TO |
00:08:55 | SANCTIONS. SANCTIONS ONLY REPRESENTS ABOUT |
00:08:58 | 36% OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LEAVE. |
00:09:01 | ABOUT 64% OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LEAVE CASH ASSISTANCE ARE |
00:09:04 | DUE TO INCOME VERIFICATION CHANGE. |
00:09:06 | THAT MEANS MAYBE THEY GOT A PART-TIME JOB OR MAYBE THERE WAS |
00:09:09 | SOME LEVEL OF LIFESTYLE CHANGE, OR SOME OTHER REASON OTHER THAN |
00:09:14 | SANCTIONING. THAT IS KEY TO UNDERSTAND |
00:09:17 | BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD SANCTIONS. |
00:09:20 | >> BUT YOU ARE CERTAINLY DOING THIS? |
00:09:22 | PEOPLE ARE BEING REMOVED FROM THE WELFARE ROLLS BECAUSE THEY |
00:09:26 | ARE NOT MEETING WORK REQUIREMENTS? |
00:09:28 | >> THEY ARE BEING REMOVED FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH MEETING THE |
00:09:31 | WORK REQUIREMENTS. MY MESSAGE WOULD STRONGLY BE |
00:09:34 | PLEASE COMPLY. WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT. |
00:09:36 | THEY HAVE A REQUIREMENT. WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO ENFORCE |
00:09:40 | WORK ASSIGNMENTS, AND THEY HAVE A REQUIREMENT AS A CONDITION OF |
00:09:43 | RECEIVING ASSISTANCE OF COMPLYING WITH THOSE. |
00:09:45 | IF THERE IS A MESSAGE OUT THERE, IT REALLY IS, "COMPLY, WORK WITH |
00:09:50 | US" SO WE CAN HELP THEM. >> IS THAT EASY TO SAY AND HARD |
00:09:58 | TO ACTUALLY DO IN SOME PARTS OF THE STATE WHERE YOU STILL HAVE |
00:10:01 | DOUBLE-DIGIT UNEMPLOYMENT? >> OF COURSE IT DEPENDS ON WHERE |
00:10:05 | ARE THE JOBS. BEFORE THE RECESSION, THE |
00:10:07 | MAJORITY OF CLIENTS THAT CAME TO COMMUNITY ACTION ACTUALLY HAD A |
00:10:11 | JOB. WE KNEW THE ECONOMY WAS IN |
00:10:15 | TROUBLE FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE THE JOBS WERE NOT PAYING WELL OR |
00:10:18 | DID NOT HAVE GREAT BENEFITS. NOW, MOST PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR |
00:10:21 | A JOB, TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING, BUT THERE IS NOTHING OUT THERE |
00:10:24 | RIGHT NOW. >> THAT IS CERTAINLY THE CASE |
00:10:27 | DOWN IN ATHENS WHERE YOU ARE. >> ONE OF THE MAJOR POINTS |
00:10:31 | MISSING FROM THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS WHAT LIFE IS LIKE |
00:10:34 | FOR THESE PEOPLE LIVING ON PUBLIC ASSISTANCE. |
00:10:36 | WE TALK ABOUT THIS BENEFIT THAT THEY HAVE, AND I DO NOT THINK |
00:10:41 | THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT WHAT WE ARE |
00:10:45 | TALKING ABOUT FOR A TYPICAL FAMILY WITH A COUPLE OF KIDS IS |
00:10:48 | $450 A MONTH, AND ANOTHER $500 IN FOOD STAMPS. |
00:10:55 | WE ARE SUPPORTING THESE FOLKS AT LESS THAN HALF THE POVERTY |
00:10:58 | LEVEL. WE ARE ASKING THEM THEN TO DO 30 |
00:11:02 | HOURS A WORK OF WEEK -- 30 HOURS OF WORK A WEEK. |
00:11:07 | TO THAT THE MATTER IS THESE FOLKS CANNOT AFFORD RENT AND |
00:11:10 | UTILITIES. THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO KEEP A CAR |
00:11:14 | ON THE ROAD. THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO MEET THEIR |
00:11:16 | BASIC NEEDS. WE ARE LEANING SO HEAVILY ON |
00:11:19 | THIS RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY HAVE, BUT WE MAKE NO MENTION |
00:11:22 | WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY WE ALL HAVE TO |
00:11:25 | MAKE SURE THAT THESE FOLKS AT LEAST HAVE THEIR BASIC NEEDS MET |
00:11:27 | IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND SECONDLY, THEY HAVE THE MEANS TO |
00:11:31 | BE ABLE TO GET TO A WORK ASSIGNMENT OR GET TO WORK. |
00:11:34 | THAT IS THE BIGGEST BARRIER THESE FOLKS ARE FACING RIGHT |
00:11:37 | NOW. WE DO NOT REALLY WANT TO TALK |
00:11:42 | ABOUT THE FAILURE OF WELFARE REFORM IN THAT REGARD TO DEAL |
00:11:45 | WITH THE BASIC ISSUE OF KEEPING FAMILIES TOGETHER AND PROVIDING |
00:11:51 | A BASIC LEVEL OF ASSISTANCE THAT MEETS THEIR NEEDS. |
00:11:54 | >> BUT IS THE FACT THAT THEY ARE HAVING -- THEIR INCOME IS SO LOW |
00:11:58 | -- IS THAT NOT A MOTIVATOR TO GET THEM TO GO WORK? |
00:12:00 | BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MORE INCOME. |
00:12:03 | >> STILL, WHERE IS THE JOB GOING TO BE? |
00:12:05 | PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE REAL COST OF LIVING IN VARIOUS |
00:12:10 | COUNTIES OF OHIO. WHEN THEY GET A $450 CASH |
00:12:13 | ASSISTANCE, THAT PAYS THE COST OF TRANSPORTATION IN ATTICS -- |
00:12:18 | ATHENS COUNTY, BUT IT DOES NOT COVER ANYTHING ELSE. |
00:12:21 | THEY GIVE THEM $450 AND SAY, "GO LIVE ON THIS," BUT IT DOES NOT |
00:12:28 | PAY ENOUGH TO LIVE. YOU HAVE THIS LEVEL OF MONEY |
00:12:31 | THAT DOES NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING. >> CASH ASSISTANCE ALONE IS NOT |
00:12:36 | ENOUGH. AN INDIVIDUAL GETS CASH |
00:12:38 | ASSISTANCE. THEY GET MEDICAID. |
00:12:41 | THEY GET FOOD STAMPS. THEY ARE PROBABLY ON SOME LEVEL |
00:12:43 | OF SUBSIDIZED RENT. NOT SAYING IT IS A PERFECT WORLD |
00:12:47 | AT ALL, BUT WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT THERE ARE JOBS OUT THERE. |
00:12:51 | WE ARE SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO A WORK ACTIVITY, WHICH INVOLVES |
00:12:55 | YOU LEAVING YOUR HOME. IN MOST CASES, WE HAVE |
00:12:59 | SUBSIDIZED TRANSPORTATION EITHER THROUGH GAS CARDS, BUS TOKENS, |
00:13:03 | OR SOME LEVEL OF COUNTY SUBSIDIZE TRANSPORTATION, AND |
00:13:08 | YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND LEARN A SKILL. |
00:13:11 | IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL GET A PAID JOB, BUT YOU WILL GET A |
00:13:15 | CASH BENEFIT. YOU MIGHT BE DOING COMMUNITY |
00:13:22 | SERVICE OR DOING SOME LEVEL OF JOB PLACEMENT EDUCATION. |
00:13:25 | >> BUT IS IT YOUR OBLIGATION WORKING IN THE COUNTY OFFICES TO |
00:13:28 | HELP PEOPLE GET THE TRAINING FOR THE JOBS THAT ARE OUT THERE? |
00:13:31 | AND ARE YOU DOING ENOUGH OF THAT? |
00:13:34 | >> YOU NEVER DO ENOUGH. POVERTY IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE |
00:13:36 | WITH US. POVERTY IS A HUGE PROBLEM. |
00:13:39 | AS A GOVERNMENT, THE WORST THING WE COULD POSSIBLY DO IS NOT SET |
00:13:43 | REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT IT WILL TAKE FOR PEOPLE TO GET |
00:13:46 | OUT OF POVERTY. THE TRUTH IS 30 HOURS IS |
00:13:48 | PROBABLY FEWER HOURS THAN THEY WILL HAVE TO WORK, ESPECIALLY AT |
00:13:52 | MINIMUM WAGE. YOU MAY HAVE TO WORK TWICE THAT. |
00:13:54 | SO WE NEED TO HELP IN A LOT OF WAYS, AND WE ARE HELPING IN A |
00:13:59 | LOT OF WAYS, BUT WE COULD ALWAYS DO MORE. |
00:14:01 | I THINK THAT IS IMPERATIVE TO THE COMPOSITION AS WELL, BUT THE |
00:14:04 | MOST IMPORTANT THING WE NEED TO DO FIRST, AND THAT IS WHAT THE |
00:14:08 | PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE DOING AND THAT IS WHAT THE |
00:14:10 | FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES, AND THAT IS SETTING A REALISTIC |
00:14:13 | EXPECTATION. ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE |
00:14:15 | THE LONG TERM FOLKS THAT ARE ON HERE. |
00:14:18 | IN OHIO, WE HAVE A THREE-YEAR TIME LIMIT. |
00:14:20 | THEY HAVE BEEN THERE THREE YEARS OR LESS. |
00:14:22 | THREE YEARS IS A LONG TIME DID NOT HAVE A JOB AND TO BE RAISING |
00:14:26 | YOUR KIDS IN POVERTY, BUT THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON THESE |
00:14:28 | INDIVIDUALS. WE NEED TO SET A REALISTIC |
00:14:31 | EXPECTATION THAT FAMILIES NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO BE IN A |
00:14:33 | BETTER POSITION TO CARE FOR THEIR KIDS. |
00:14:35 | WHETHER WE SANG TO THEM OR NOT, WHETHER WE ASSIGNED TO WORK OR |
00:14:39 | NOT, MOST OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL LOSE THEIR CASH ASSISTANCE. |
00:14:42 | I APPRECIATE WHAT JACK IS SAYING. |
00:14:47 | $450 IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY. I DO NOT KNOW THE PUBLIC |
00:14:50 | REALIZES THAT BEING ON WELFARE IS NOT -- YOU DO NOT GET THIS |
00:14:53 | HUGE WINDFALL OF AVAILABLE CASH, BUT THEY WILL LOSE ACCESS TO THE |
00:14:58 | $450 AS WELL, SO WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN WITHIN OUR |
00:15:02 | MEANS, WITHIN OUR ABILITY TO GIVE THEM TRAINING, TO GIVE THE |
00:15:07 | ASSIGNMENTS, TO SET THOSE REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS, AND THE |
00:15:10 | NUMBER ONE THING EMPLOYERS TELL US THAT THEY WANT FOR ENTRY- |
00:15:13 | LEVEL JOBS IS NOT A TRAINED EMPLOYEE, BUT AN EMPLOYEE |
00:15:15 | BECOMES IN WITH A WORK ETHIC WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT IT WORKS OUT AT |
00:15:19 | 8:00, THE NEED TO BE THERE AT 8:00. |
00:15:21 | THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE RELATIVELY EASY TO DO AS FAR AS |
00:15:24 | ASSIGNMENTS, BUT I HATE TO SAY THIS -- FRANKLY, IN SOME OF OUR |
00:15:27 | CASES, THAT IS A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR FOLKS. |
00:15:30 | WE DO A LOT OF THOSE THINGS. >> LET ME ASK JACK TO WEIGH IN. |
00:15:35 | I THINK YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. |
00:15:36 | >> A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT STRIKE ME AS ODD -- WE TALK |
00:15:39 | ABOUT WHAT IS REALISTIC. REALISTICALLY, ONLY ABOUT 15% OF |
00:15:43 | THE PEOPLE ON PUBLIC ASSISTANCE GET SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. |
00:15:47 | THE VAST MAJORITY DO NOT. ALL THE MONEY WE SPEND IN |
00:15:50 | MEDICATE GOES INTO THE POCKETS OF DOCTORS AND HOSPITAL |
00:15:53 | ADMINISTRATORS AND FOLKS LIKE THAT. |
00:15:55 | NOT A DIME AND IN THE POCKETS OF POOR FAMILIES. |
00:15:58 | AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY ARE STILL SITTING THERE WITH THAT |
00:16:01 | $450 A MONTH THAT THEY HAVE TO USE TO MEET ALL THEIR CASH NEEDS |
00:16:04 | FOR HOUSING, UTILITIES, PERSONAL HYGIENE ITEMS, ALL THOSE KINDS |
00:16:10 | OF THINGS, PLUS KEEP A CAR ON THE ROAD WITH CAR INSURANCE. |
00:16:14 | IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO THAT. |
00:16:17 | YET, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOLKS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE |
00:16:22 | REALISM FOR THESE FOLKS, AND YOU KNOW, HOW THEY REALISTICALLY |
00:16:27 | NEED TO GO OUT AND FIND A JOB. THESE FOLKS LOVE THEIR CHILDREN. |
00:16:32 | THEY WANT TO PROVIDE A BETTER LIVING FOR THEM. |
00:16:35 | IT IS AS THOUGH WE ACCEPT NO RESPONSIBILITY THAT IF THESE |
00:16:42 | VOTES HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO KEEP A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS, TO PAY |
00:16:44 | THEIR UTILITIES, TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION AVAILABLE TO |
00:16:46 | THEM -- TRANSPORTATION, BY THE WAY, MAY BE AVAILABLE IN THE |
00:16:52 | METROPOLITAN AREAS, BUT IN RURAL AREAS, THERE IS ALMOST NO PUBLIC |
00:16:55 | TRANSPORTATION THAT THESE FOLKS CAN COUNT ON, SO WE ARE PUTTING |
00:16:59 | THEM IN AN UNTENABLE SITUATION WHERE IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO |
00:17:02 | MEET THIS GOAL, AND THEN WE ARE BLAMING THEM WHEN THEY CANNOT DO |
00:17:06 | IT. WE ARE OVERLOOKING THE FACT THAT |
00:17:08 | THE STATE OF OHIO SETS THESE BENEFIT LEVELS, AND THEY ONLY |
00:17:11 | SPEND ABOUT 1/3 OF THE MONEY THEY GET IN THE WELFARE BLOCK |
00:17:14 | GRANT ON CASH ASSISTANCE. THE OTHER 2/3 ENDS UP IN COUNTY |
00:17:20 | WELFARE ADMINISTRATION, DAY CARE, SOMEBODY ELSE'S POCKET. |
00:17:21 | >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP HEARING THAT THEY |
00:17:30 | CANNOT AFFORD AT A LOT -- THE STATE CANNOT AFFORD A LOT OF |
00:17:33 | THESE THINGS. THE STATE CANNOT AFFORD THE |
00:17:35 | SPENDING THAT HAD BEEN DONE BEFORE. |
00:17:37 | LET ME ASK YOU, IS THERE NOT THE GOAL OF GETTING THESE FOLKS TO |
00:17:43 | WORK -- MAYBE THERE IS SOME OTHER SOLUTION BESIDES JUST |
00:17:46 | PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO THE PROGRAM WHEN THERE IS NOT THE |
00:17:51 | MONEY AVAILABLE. >> OF COURSE, WE DO NOT GET |
00:17:55 | STATE MONEY. WE HAVE FEDERAL MONEY. |
00:17:56 | WE WORK WITH PEOPLE IN THESE SITUATIONS, AND THERE ARE SOME |
00:18:00 | OTHER SOLUTIONS. DOLE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE CLOCK |
00:18:07 | IS TICKING. IT MIGHT BE TIME. |
00:18:14 | YOU CANNOT DEVELOP GOOD JOBS OVERNIGHT. |
00:18:15 | ONE OF OUR AGENCIES -- WE DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. |
00:18:23 | ONE OF OUR AGENCIES -- THE COUNTY HAD NO HOSPITAL. |
00:18:27 | IT TOOK 8.5 YEARS FROM THE TIME YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE |
00:18:30 | TIME WE DID THE INITIAL DIGGING OF THE GROUND. |
00:18:36 | WHY DO WE BUILD A HOSPITAL? IS THAT WE NEEDED A HOSPITAL IN |
00:18:42 | THE COUNTY. NO, YOU NEED GOOD JOBS. |
00:18:44 | THAT IS WHAT COMES WITH A HOSPITAL. |
00:18:47 | WE SAW IT FIRST AS A JOB DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. |
00:18:49 | IT TOOK A LONG TIME. IN THE INTERIM, WHAT DO YOU DO? |
00:18:53 | YOU TRY TO FIND THE JOBS. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THIS |
00:18:56 | GOVERNOR AND TRIED TO DEVELOP THOSE THINGS. |
00:18:58 | >> LET ME ASK THE DIRECTOR -- THE IDEA OF PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING |
00:19:03 | REMOVED FROM THE ROLLS -- ARE THESE OTHER FACTORS BEING TAKEN |
00:19:06 | INTO CONSIDERATION? THE FACT THAT THEY MIGHT NOT |
00:19:08 | HAVE A CAR BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE INSURANCE AND GAS TO |
00:19:11 | PUT IN IT? >> WE ARE TAKING ALL OF THIS |
00:19:14 | INTO CONSIDERATION. AGAIN, I AM NOT SURE WHERE JACK |
00:19:17 | IS GOING ON THIS. HE KNOWS WE HAVE GAS CARDS IN |
00:19:22 | OUR PLAN. WE HAVE BUS TOKENS. |
00:19:23 | IF YOU CONTACT YOUR COUNTY CASE WORKER AND SAY YOU CANNOT GET TO |
00:19:29 | YOUR WORK PARTICIPATION SITE, THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET |
00:19:32 | THERE. WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT |
00:19:33 | JOBS. JOEL MENTIONED THE FACT THAT |
00:19:37 | WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT IS A POPULATION THAT WILL BE ON |
00:19:40 | PUBLIC ASSISTANCE FOR A YEAR, SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, AND |
00:19:44 | NOT DO ANYTHING. YOU WANT TO PICK UP A SKILL, DO |
00:19:47 | JOB READINESS, OR SOFT SKILLS. SOME TYPE OF RESERVE-BUILDING. |
00:19:51 | IF WE SANCTION YOU NOW, IT IS A PERSONAL DECISION. |
00:19:55 | YOU HAVE MADE A PERSONAL DECISION THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO |
00:20:01 | DO 32 HOURS OF WORK PARTICIPATION. |
00:20:03 | AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, THAT IS NOT JUST A JOB. |
00:20:06 | IT CAN BE COMMUNITY SERVICE. >> LET ME ASK JACK TO WEIGH IN |
00:20:09 | ON THAT. >> FOR ONE THING, IT IS NOT TRUE |
00:20:13 | THAT IF YOU CALL ANY COUNTY IN THE STATE AND ASK FOR TRAVEL |
00:20:15 | MONDAY TO GET YOUR WORK ASSIGNMENT, YOU WILL GET WHAT |
00:20:18 | YOU NEED. THE MAJORITY OF COUNTIES ARE |
00:20:20 | PAYING BETWEEN $25 OR $50 A MONTH IN THE WAY OF GAS CARDS OR |
00:20:24 | TRAVEL ALLOWANCE, WHICH IS NOT EVEN A FULL GAS TANK. |
00:20:28 | IT WILL NOT GET YOU TO WORK 30 HOURS A WEEK FOR WEEKS IN A |
00:20:32 | MONTH. THAT IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. |
00:20:35 | WE ARE ALSO OVERLOOKING THE FACT THAT THE STATE OF OHIO CUT AT |
00:20:42 | LEAST $170 MILLION OUT OF THE BUDGETS THAT THE COUNTIES HAD |
00:20:45 | THAT THEY USED TO PAY FOR CAR REPAIRS. |
00:20:47 | THEY USED TO PAY FOR TRAVEL EXPENSES, SHORT-TERM TRAINING |
00:20:50 | PROGRAMS. THE STATE OF OHIO HAS MADE -- HE |
00:20:53 | SAYS THIS IS A CHOICE OF THE CLIENTS. |
00:20:55 | THIS IS NOT A CHOICE OF THE CLIENTS TO ONLY GET $450 A |
00:20:59 | MONTH. THAT IS A CHOICE OF THE STATE OF |
00:21:01 | OHIO. CUTTING $170 MILLION OF FUNDS |
00:21:06 | OUT OF THE COUNTY COFFERS TO BE ABLE TO HELP THESE PEOPLE FIND |
00:21:08 | JOBS -- THAT WAS A CHOICE OF THE STATE OF OHIO, NOT THESE CLIENTS |
00:21:13 | -- >> CAN I SPEAK TO THAT? |
00:21:14 | IT SPEAKS TO THE BUDGET. WE DID NOT TEST -- CUT THE CASH |
00:21:18 | ASSISTANCE ROLLS AT ALL. JACK KNOWS THAT THAT IS NOT |
00:21:21 | CORRECT. THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET MAINTAIN |
00:21:24 | THE ENTIRE SAFETY NET. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM, |
00:21:27 | THE PROGRAM IS MUCH BIGGER THAN CASH ASSISTANCE. |
00:21:28 | YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT EATING THE FOOD BANKS, CHILD WELFARE, |
00:21:33 | ASSISTANCE FOR COUNTIES, FOR CASEWORKERS AND ADMINISTRATIVE |
00:21:38 | COSTS, AND TALKING ABOUT CASH ASSISTANCE. |
00:21:39 | >> WHERE IS JACK GETTING THIS, THAT THE STATE HAS CUT THESE |
00:21:43 | BENEFITS? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE |
00:21:45 | NOW FOR CAR REPAIRS AND THAT SORT OF THING, RIGHT? |
00:21:47 | >> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. MICHAEL KNOWS THAT THE CUTS IN |
00:21:52 | FUNDING TO THE COUNTY RESULTED IN THEM CUTTING SERVICES. |
00:21:58 | I DID NOT SAY YOU CUT CASH ASSISTANCE. |
00:22:01 | I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS ALREADY SO LOW THAT EVEN |
00:22:06 | YOU GUYS -- >> WE MADE UP FOR IT IN OTHER |
00:22:10 | LINES. WE CREATED THE 533 LINE. |
00:22:12 | >> YOU ARE GETTING INTO AREAS THAT PEOPLE DO NOT -- |
00:22:16 | THAT WE GAVE COUNTY'S $100 MILLION WORTH OF FLEXIBILITY TO |
00:22:20 | MOVE MONEY BETWEEN DIFFERENT LINES SO THAT THEY WOULD RESTORE |
00:22:22 | THESE CUTS. >> BUT YOU DID NOT RESTORE THE |
00:22:27 | CUTS BY GIVING US FLEXIBILITY WITH $170 MILLION LESS. |
00:22:31 | IT IS NOT RESTORING THE CUTS. WE HAVE REAL CUTS NOT JUST IN |
00:22:35 | THAT. WE HAD CUT ACROSS THE BOARD. |
00:22:40 | OUR AGENCY ALONE LAID OFF 50 PEOPLE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. |
00:22:44 | THOSE WERE REAL CUTS. WE CUT REAL SERVICES. |
00:22:47 | NOT JUST US. COUNTIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE |
00:22:51 | HAD TO DO THAT. THOSE WERE DECISIONS THAT WERE |
00:22:53 | MADE STATE LEVEL, AND NONE OF THOSE THINGS HELPED THESE PEOPLE |
00:22:56 | LIVING ON $450 A MONTH OUT THERE GET TO A WORK SITE OR GET THE |
00:23:01 | JOB TRAINING THAT THEY NEED. >> WE HAVE THE SAME $1.2 BILLION |
00:23:06 | PROGRAM THAT WE HAD IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. |
00:23:08 | WE HAVE THE SAME -- THAT OF THE COSTS HAVE INCREASED |
00:23:14 | IN THAT TIME, HAD THEY NOT? THAT IS ESSENTIALLY LESS MONEY. |
00:23:17 | >> THEY HAVE, BUT UNDERSTAND, THIS IS A MATCH PROGRAM GEARED |
00:23:21 | WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH $400 MILLION, AND WE HAVE TO LIVE |
00:23:28 | WITHIN THE COSTS. EVERYTHING IS FEEDING OFF OF ONE |
00:23:30 | FUNDING STREAM. CHILD CARE, FOSTER CARE, ALL |
00:23:32 | THESE OTHER DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. >> I WANTED IT TO THE ISSUE OF |
00:23:36 | PERSONAL CHOICE. THE DIRECTOR SAID THIS WAS A |
00:23:38 | PERSONAL CHOICE OF WHAT THE FOLKS HAVE MADE. |
00:23:41 | IS THAT YOUR EXPERIENCE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? |
00:23:45 | >> THAT IS THE WAY THE PROGRAM IS SET UP. |
00:23:48 | THE LAW IS VERY CLEAR. IT IS NOT JUST THE PERSON SAID. |
00:23:51 | ONE VENDOR PERCENT OF PEOPLE ELIGIBLE FOR CASH ASSISTANCE AS |
00:23:54 | A CONDITION OF ELIGIBILITY ARE REQUIRED TO WORK. |
00:23:57 | WE ARE MEASURED ON AT LEAST 50% MUST BE WORKING 30 HOURS, BUT |
00:24:01 | THEY ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING SOMETHING. |
00:24:02 | >> DO YOU FEEL IT IS A PERSONAL CHOICE FOR THESE FOLKS THAT HAVE |
00:24:06 | BEEN KICKED OFF? >> IT IS NOT NECESSARILY EVEN A |
00:24:10 | PERSONAL CHOICE. IT IS A COMPLIANCE ISSUE. |
00:24:12 | IF YOU WANT CASH ASSISTANCE IN THIS OR ANY OTHER STATE, YOU |
00:24:16 | MUST WORK AS A CONDITION OF THAT. |
00:24:18 | WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND ASSIGNMENTS. |
00:24:21 | IT GOES OVER A WIDE GAMUT. WHEN IT COMES INTO A PERSONAL |
00:24:25 | CHOICE IS WHEN IT COMES TO THE SANCTION. |
00:24:27 | IF THEY ARE ASSIGNED TO WORK, THEY HAVE THREE CHOICES -- THEY |
00:24:32 | CAN DO THE ASSIGNMENT -- THEY CAN ASK TO HAVE THAT HIS |
00:24:37 | CLOTHES, OR WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SANCTIONS. |
00:24:39 | THERE IS NO FOURTH OPTION, AND IN THAT, IT IS A CHOICE. |
00:24:42 | >> IS IT A CHOICE? >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. |
00:24:47 | IF IT IS A CHOICE, IT IS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE FELT THEMSELVES |
00:24:51 | BEING PERSONALLY DEFEATED. THEY HAVE GIVEN UP. |
00:24:53 | THAT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE DIRECTOR OR THE FAULT OF THE |
00:24:56 | STATE OF OHIO. IT IS JUST THE WAY THE RULES ARE |
00:24:59 | SET UP, AND THE RULES ARE WRONG. WE NEED TO REDO THEM. |
00:25:02 | >> THIS IS A BIG ENOUGH ISSUE WE CANNOT SOLVE IT YEAR, BUT I |
00:25:06 | APPRECIATE ALL YOUR PERSPECTIVES HERE. |
00:25:08 | THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THIS WEEK |
00:25:13 | BY TAKING A MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY PARENTS ON A VERY |
00:25:16 | SPECIAL WEDDING ANNIVERSARY WEEKEND. |
00:25:18 | I WILL NOT SAY WHICH ONE OTHER THAN TO NOTE THAT ALL MARRIED |
00:25:21 | COUPLES AIM FOR THIS MILESTONE AND MOST NEVER REACH IT. |
00:25:24 | I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY PARENTS FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO EACH |
00:25:27 | OTHER AND TO OUR FAMILY AND FOR THEIR LOVE AND SUPPORT FOR US |
00:25:30 | AND FOR THEIR FRIENDS AND THEIR COMMUNITY. |
00:25:33 | CONGRATULATIONS TO MY MOM AND DADDY. |
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