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00:00:15>> OHIO WILL HOST AT LEAST ONE
MAJOR PARTY POLITICAL
00:00:18CONVENTION, FOR THE FIRST TIME
SINCE 1936.
00:00:20AND THERE'S A BEHIND THE SCENES
BATTLE GOING ON OVER WHO WILL
00:00:22BECOME THE NEXT SPEAKER OF THE
OHIO HOUSE.
00:00:24WE'LL LOOK INTO WHAT'S
HAPPENING, AND WHY IT MATTERS.
00:00:27ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:39THE BIG NEWS THIS WEEK IS
ACTUALLY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S
00:00:44TWO YEARS AWAY.
THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL
00:00:46COMMITTEE ANNOUNCED TUESDAY THAT
IT HAD SELECTED CLEVELAND OVER
00:00:48DALLAS TO HOST ITS 2016
PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATING
00:00:51CONVENTION.
THE NEWS WAS MET WITH CHEERS AND
00:00:54JOY AMONG OFFICIALS IN NORTHEAST
OHIO, SUCH AS DEMOCRATIC MAYOR
00:00:56FRANK JACKSON.
HE AND OTHERS ARE THRILLED ABOUT
00:01:00THE IDEA OF THOUSANDS OF
POLITICIANS, REPORTERS AND
00:01:03OTHERS COMING IN TO POUR AN
ESTIMATED $200 MILLION INTO THE
00:01:09NORTHEAST OHIO ECONOMY.
BUT THE ANNOUNCEMENT HAD PEOPLE
00:01:12SOUTH OF CLEVELAND WONDERING
WHAT THIS MIGHT MEAN FOR
00:01:14COLUMBUS, WHICH IS ONE OF NOW
FIVE CITIES IN THE RUNNING FOR
00:01:16THE 2016 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
CONVENTION.
00:01:18CLEVELAND IS NOW OUT BECAUSE THE
DEMOCRATS HAVE A RULE THAT SAYS
00:01:20THEY WON'T PICK THE SAME CITY AS
THE REPUBLICANS DO.
00:01:24SO WHAT DOES THE CHOICE OF
CLEVELAND MEAN FOR COLUMBUS'
00:01:26CHANCES?
FORMER OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY
00:01:28CHAIR DAVID LELAND, WHO WAS A
CANDIDATE TO CHAIR THE
00:01:31DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE,
IS CURRENTLY RUNNING FOR STATE
00:01:34REPRESENTATIVE IN COLUMBUS, SO
HE'S DEFINITELY A CHEERLEADER
00:01:36FOR THE CITY.
LELAND SAYS THE CLEVELAND PICK
00:01:39DOESN'T CHANGE COLUMBUS' CHANCES
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
00:01:41LELAND SAYS THE DNC WILL LOOK AT
INFRASTRUCTURE AND FINANCIAL
00:01:45COMMITMENT, AND NOT WHERE THE
REPUBLICAN CONVENTION WILL BE.
00:01:50>> THE ELECTORAL POLITICS THAT
WERE GOING ON PRIOR TO THE
00:01:54CONVENTION OR EVEN BEFORE OR
EVEN DURING THE CONVENTION
00:01:56PLAYED A VERY, VERY SMALL PART
IN THE CONSIDERATIONS OF THE
00:02:00COMMITTEE AS TO WHICH CITY
SHOULD BE SELECTED.
00:02:03I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE
LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE
00:02:06INFRASTRUCTURE, HOTELS,
FINANCIAL COMMITMENT, ENERGY IN
00:02:09THE CITY -- I MEAN, THEY'RE
GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE
00:02:11THINGS.
>> DAVID WILHELM IS THE FORMER
00:02:14CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
COMMITTEE.
00:02:23HE MANAGED BILL CLINTON'S
SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN FOR
00:02:25PRESIDENT IN 1992.
AND LIKE LELAND, HE LIVES IN
00:02:27COLUMBUS.
AND WILHELM AGREES WITH LELAND
00:02:29THAT THE CITY'S DRIVE TO HOST
THE CONVENTION WILL BE A MAJOR
00:02:32FACTOR, BUT HE ADDS THAT THE
REPUBLICANS' PICK OF CLEVELAND
00:02:34WILL PLAY A BIG PART AS WELL.
>> I JUST DON'T THINK YOU WANT
00:02:38TO LET THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE
TRAVERSE THE CLEVELAND MEDIA
00:02:42MARKET AND THE STATE OF OHIO FOR
A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
00:02:45YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO MATCH
THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO
00:02:51COMPETE WITH THAT.
>> BY THE WAY, OHIO ISN'T THE
00:02:58ONLY SWING STATE IN THE CONTEST.
PENNSYLVANIA IS ALSO A
00:03:00BATTLEGROUND STATE, AND HAS 20
ELECTORAL VOTES TO OHIO'S 18.
00:03:03HOWEVER, THERE IS NO CORRELATION
BETWEEN CONVENTION LOCATION AND
00:03:08ELECTION RESULTS, THOUGH THE
DEMOCRATS DO HAVE A BETTER
00:03:11RECORD OF HOLDING THEIR
CONVENTIONS IN STATES THEY GO ON
00:03:12TO WIN.
BUT IN 2012, BOTH PARTIES HELD
00:03:14THEIR CONVENTIONS IN STATES THEY
LOST.
00:03:18THE LAST TIME REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS HELD THEIR CONVENTIONS
00:03:23IN THE SAME STATE WAS WHEN THEY
BOTH MET IN MIAMI BEACH IN 1972.
00:03:25REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH
WAS AMONG THOSE WHO WAS THE
00:03:37FIRST TO GET THE NEWS.
OF COURSE, HE'S THE MOST VISIBLE
00:03:39REPUBLICAN IN OHIO AND HAS LONG
BEEN RUMORED TO BE CONSIDERING A
00:03:41RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016.
KASICH SAID CHOOSING OHIO SHOWS
00:03:43THE GOP IS STEPPING OUT OF ITS
COMFORT ZONE.
00:03:46>> OHIO'S THE LINCHPIN IN EVERY
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
00:03:47I MEAN, IF WE DON'T WIN TEXAS,
WE MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN HAVE
00:03:49AN ELECTION.
OHIO IS ALWAYS A SWING STATE,
00:03:53AND WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE CAN
SHOW.
00:03:57LOOK, TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT A
REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT'S STRONG
00:04:00ECONOMICALLY, BUT CARES ABOUT
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE SHADOWS
00:04:03-- IT'S SUCH A MESSAGE THAT THE
REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT HAD.
00:04:06AND WE'RE DOING IT.
>> BUT KASICH'S DEMOCRATIC
00:04:10OPPONENT THIS FALL, CUYAHOGA
COUNTY EXECUTIVE ED FITZGERALD,
00:04:12SAID IN A STATEMENT THAT THE
CHOICE IS A TRIBUTE TO THE HARD
00:04:17WORK HE AND OTHER DEMOCRATS HAVE
DONE IN TURNING CLEVELAND AND
00:04:24CUYAHOGA COUNTY AROUND.
SPEAKING OF KASICH AND
00:04:27FITZGERALD, THIS YEAR'S CAMPAIGN
FOR GOVERNOR IS UNDERWAY ON BOTH
00:04:30SIDES.
KASICH MADE THOSE COMMENTS ABOUT
00:04:32THE CONVENTION AT WHAT HAVE BEEN
CALLED HIS FIRST MAJOR CAMPAIGN
00:04:35EVENTS IN SOUTHWEST OHIO, WHERE
HE ACCEPTED THE ENDORSEMENT OF
00:04:37THE NATIONAL FEDERATION OF
INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OHIO.
00:04:40MEANWHILE, FITZGERALD SAT DOWN
WITH A GROUP OF REPORTERS FOR A
00:04:42WIDE-RANGING DISCUSSION ON HIS
POSITIONS, HIS PROPOSED POLICIES
00:04:45AND HIS PERSPECTIVES ON THE
STATE OF THE OHIO ECONOMY, ON
00:04:50MARRIAGE EQUALITY AND ON THE
HOBBY LOBBY SUPREME COURT CASE.
00:04:53BUT AS HE WAS TALKING WITH
JOURNALISTS, THE NEWS BROKE THAT
00:04:57THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY IS
SUING FITZGERALD TO FORCE HIM TO
00:05:01RELEASE THE RECORDS OF KEY CARD
SWIPES AND HIS PARKING CARD
00:05:05RECORDS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
CHRIS SCHRIMPF OF THE OHIO
00:05:08REPUBLICAN PARTY SAYS
FITZGERALD'S CLAIMS THAT THOSE
00:05:12RECORDS SHOULD BE PROTECTED
BECAUSE OF SECURITY CONCERNS IS
00:05:15A DODGE.
>> I SUSPECT WHAT YOU WOULD
00:05:18ACTUALLY FIND AND THE REAL
REASON HE IS HOLDING THESE
00:05:21RECORDS IS THAT THERE IS NO
PATTERN TO WHAT ED FITZGERALD IS
00:05:24DOING.
HE'S EITHER NOT SHOWING UP FOR
00:05:27WORK AT THE COUNTY OFFICE
BUILDING OR HE'S SHOWING UP AT
00:05:30STRANGE TIMES THAT HE DOESN'T
WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT.
00:05:33WHERE HE LIVES, WHERE HE WORKS,
WHERE HE'S GOING TO BE TODAY AND
00:05:37TOMORROW -- THE PUBLIC KNOWS
THOSE THINGS.
00:05:39THERE IS NO REASON THE PUBLIC
SHOULDN'T KNOW WHEN HE WAS DOING
00:05:43HIS JOB TWO YEARS AGO.
>> FITZGERALD SAYS HE'S GOTTEN
00:05:47DEATH THREATS, SO THE SAFETY
ISSUES ARE REAL.
00:05:52AND HE SAYS GOVERNOR KASICH HAS
OFFERED SECURITY CONCERNS AS HIS
00:05:55REASON FOR NOT RELEASING HIS
PUBLIC SCHEDULE, AND THAT THIS
00:05:57LAWSUIT IS COMPLETELY MOTIVATED
BY CAMPAIGN POLITICS.
00:06:00>> THIS IS A STRATEGIC MOVE ON
THIS PART TO TRY TO TAKE
00:06:03SOMETHING WHERE THEY'VE HAD A
VERY CHECKERED RECORD AND TRY TO
00:06:06SAY ON A VERY SENSITIVE SECURITY
ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE BEYOND
00:06:15POLITICS, HOW DO WE POLITICIZE
THIS TO TRY TO MAKE IT APPEAR AS
00:06:17IF ONE SIDE IS OPEN AND THE
OTHER IS NOT?
00:06:20THE GOVERNOR'S SECURITY STAFF IS
NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU
00:06:23INFORMATION ON EVERYTHING YOU
ASK FOR, NOR SHOULD THEY AND
00:06:26NEITHER WILL THE COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MY OFFICE
00:06:29NOR SHOULD THEY.
THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN BREWING FOR
00:06:32-- >> THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN
BREWING FOR A WHILE.
00:06:36REPUBLICANS WEARING SANDWICH
BOARDS THAT LOOK LIKE KEY CARDS
00:06:39HAVE BEEN SEEN AT FITZGERALD
EVENTS, EVEN AS DEMOCRATIC
00:06:41ACTIVISTS HAVE FOUGHT IN COURT
FOR ACCESS TO KASICH'S SCHEDULE.
00:06:43THE OHIO SUPREME COURT SAYS
-- THE RACE TO REPLACE SPEAKER
00:06:58BILL BATCHELDER APPEARS OVER,
MAYBE.
00:07:03THE CONTEST HAD BEEN BETWEEN
LONGTIME REPRESENTATIVE RON
00:07:07AMSTUTZ OF WOOSTER AND REP.
CLIFF ROSENBERGER OF
00:07:09CLARKSVILLE, WHO'S IN HIS SECOND
TERM.
00:07:11AND TO THE SURPRISE OF SOME BUT
NOT TO OTHERS, ROSENBERGER
00:07:14APPEARS TO BE THE WINNER.
LAST WEEK, ROSENBERGER AND
00:07:15AMSTUTZ SAT DOWN FOR A MEETING
TO DISCUSS WHO WOULD TAKE OVER,
00:07:16AND AMSTUTZ CAME OUT OF IT
SAYING HE'S THROWING HIS SUPPORT
00:07:18BEHIND THE RELATIVE NEWCOMER
ROSENBERGER, WHICH GIVES
00:07:21ROSENBERGER THE SUPPORT OF MORE
THAN 60% OF THE EXPECTED CAUCUS.
00:07:24WITH THAT MOVE, AMSTUTZ WILL BE
A CANDIDATE FOR SPEAKER PRO TEM,
00:07:26THE SECOND TOP SPOT.
>> WE'RE A TEAM THAT IS NOW
00:07:31BUILDING MOMENTUM AND PICKING UP
ADDITIONAL MEMBERS THAT ARE
00:07:34WANTING TO JOIN US.
>> ROSENBERGER SAYS THE
00:07:38COALITION CAME TOGETHER IN THE
INTEREST OF PARTY UNITY.
00:07:41>> WHAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO
DO WAS TO PULL THESE TEAMS
00:07:44TOGETHER SO WE COULD FOCUS ON
THE GENERAL ELECTION RACES
00:07:46COMING OUT THIS NOVEMBER SO WE
CAN HAVE A STRONG MAJORITY AND
00:07:48CONTINUE TO DELIVER ON GOOD
POLICIES FOR OUR STATE.
00:07:50>> BUT AS OFTEN IS THE CASE,
THERE'S MORE TO THIS STORY.
00:07:53HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT IS
"COLUMBUS DISPATCH" REPORTER JIM
00:07:55SIEGEL, WHO'S BEEN FOLLOWING THE
SPEAKER'S RACE.
00:08:02SO, HOW DOES A 33-YEAR-OLD
REPUBLICAN IN HIS SECOND TERM
00:08:06WHO HAS KEPT A RELATIVELY LOW
PROFILE -- I CAN ONLY THINK OF
00:08:08AND FEW -- HANDFUL OF TIMES THAT
I TALKED TO HIM, IF ANY ME -- IF
00:08:13ANY, WIN AGAINST A CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE?
00:08:21HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN?
>> YOU GET BACKED BY GOOD PEOPLE
00:08:26AND YOU HAVE SOME FRIENDS.
HE HAD THE BACKING OF DECENT
00:08:28STRATEGIST AND LOBBYISTS, SOME
OF WHOM ARE CLOSELY CONNECTED TO
00:08:33THE GOVERNOR, AND HE IS KNOWN AS
SOMEONE WHO COMES ACROSS VERY
00:08:37WELL PERSONALLY.
HE MAKES GOOD PERSONAL
00:08:40RELATIONSHIPS.
HE HAS WORKED.
00:08:43THERE WAS A POINT WHERE A
VETERAN LEGISLATOR WAS TALKING
00:08:50ABOUT RUNNING, DECIDED HE WAS
NOT GOING TO, HE THREW HIS
00:08:52SUPPORT BEHIND CLIFF
ROSENBERGER, AND THAT GOT THE
00:08:58BALL ROLLING FOR HIM.
IT HAS BEEN A SLOW PROCESS AND
00:09:00HE HAS BUILT UP SUPPORT.
LIKE YOU SAID, RON AMSTUTZ HAS
00:09:08BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME,
KNOWN AS A GOOD POLICY GUY,
00:09:12REFERRED TO AS A POLICY WONK.
HE IS VERY WELL-KNOWN, BUT I
00:09:17THINK IT WAS JUST A NUMBER OF
FOLKS THAT WERE NOT ENTIRELY
00:09:21COMFORTABLE WITH HIM EVEN THOUGH
HE HAS GREAT EXPERIENCE, WHEREAS
00:09:25THE FROZEN BURGER IS VERY STRONG
WITH THE DIFFERENT -- WHERE IS
00:09:28CLIFF ROSENBERGER IS VERY STRONG
WITH PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS.
00:09:33THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY RON
AMSTUTZ'S SUIT.
00:09:40HE WOULD BE THE NUMBER TWO, AND
THAT WOULD PLAY A KEY ROLE.
00:09:44>> THAT BRINGS UP A THIRD
PERSON, REPRESENTATIVE JIM
00:09:49BUTLER.
TO ME ABOUT HIS ROLE.
00:09:50-- TELL ME ABOUT HIS ROLE.
>> HE HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
00:09:55WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
SPEAKER'S RACE, YOU ALWAYS HEAR,
00:09:59THEN YOU HAVE JIM BUTLER HOPE
FOR THE TEAM.
00:10:03THEY HAVE ABOUT A HALF DOZEN
FOLKS WITH THEM.
00:10:06THEY TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED
00:10:11A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE OPTION IF
ROSENBERGER AND RON AMSTUTZ
00:10:17COULD NOT WORK SOMETHING OUT.
NOW THAT THEY HAVE -- THE DEAL
00:10:24HAS BEEN WORKED OUT, JIM BUTLER
SAID WAIT A MINUTE, I WAS NOT
00:10:27INVITED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE
DEAL AND THAT DID NOT MAKE HIM
00:10:31HAPPY.
IT WAS SET UP WITH THE HELP OF
00:10:32SPEAKER BATCHELDER.
HE SAID HE WAS NOT READY TO DROP
00:10:36OUT, FADE AWAY, AND SUPPORT
CLIFF ROSENBERGER, AND THE
00:10:40ARCHCONSERVATIVE WING OF THE
CAUCUS HAVE, AND THEY'RE ALSO
00:10:45BEHIND JIM BUTLER.
SO, NOW YOU HAVE ONE GROUP --
00:10:48THE CLIFF ROSENBERGER BLUR --
GROUP SAYING WE HAVE ONE TO 60%
00:10:54OF THE CAUCUS ON BOARD.
JIM BUTLER'S GROUP IS SAYING WE
00:10:59HAVE A SIZABLE NUMBER AS WELL,
AND IT IS EARLY.
00:11:03THEY BELIEVE OVER THE COURSE OF
THE NEXT MONTREUX PLUS -- FOUR
00:11:07PLUS MONTHS THEY COULD SEE SOME
CHANGES IN ALLIANCES AND WHO IS
00:11:10BACKING A MOVE.
IT WILL BE TESTING TO SEE HOW
00:11:12THIS PLAYS OUT.
IT WOULD NOT BE UNPRECEDENTED
00:11:16FOR SOMEONE WHO APPEARS TO HAVE
THE LEADERSHIP SPOT LOCKED UP
00:11:19AND HAVE IT SLIPPED AWAY.
IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED WHEN
00:11:24SPEAKER BATCHELDER WON THE
LEADERSHIP ROLE.
00:11:31>> PRESENTED LOUIS TERHAR, WHO
IS BEHIND JIM BUTLER, SAID THIS
00:11:36HAD COME DOWN TO A RACE BETWEEN
PERSONALITIES AND THERE WAS NOT
00:11:41A PRINCIPLE OF POLICY BEING
DISCUSSED.
00:11:43IS THIS REALLY ABOUT
PERSONALITIES, RATHER THAN
00:11:47POLICY AND WHAT CLIFF
ROSENBERGER AND RON AMSTUTZ WANT
00:11:50TO DO?
>> THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO THAT.
00:11:53LOOK, IT IS A ERASE AMONGST
REPUBLICANS.
00:11:59IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A HUGE
POLICY DIVIDE COMMAND LEAST NOT
00:12:01IN THE HOUSE, AS IT STANDS NOW.
THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WHERE THEY
00:12:04DID NOT MESH, BUT A LOT OF THE
BIG ISSUES -- I DO NOT THINK
00:12:12THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN CLIFF ROSENBERGER AND
00:12:15RUN ON STUNTS, OR CLIFF
ROSENBERGER -- RON AMSTUTZ, OR
00:12:22CLIFF ROSENBERGER AND JIM BUTLER
, BUT PERSONALITY MATTERS.
00:12:26AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU HAVE
TO BRING TOGETHER THE CAUCUS TO
00:12:29VOTE ON BIG ISSUES AND NOT ALL
OF YOUR MEMBERS ARE GOING TO
00:12:31WANT TO DO THAT.
SO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT
00:12:36KIND OF TONE AND PERSONALITY TO
BUILD COALITIONS, RELATIONSHIPS,
00:12:38AND MAKE EVERYONE NOT FEEL LIKE
THEY ARE JUST BEING DRAGGED
00:12:42AROUND BY THE NOSE.
>> GOVERNOR KASICH, WE OFTEN ASK
00:12:48HIM ABOUT LEGISLATION, AND MOST
THE TIME HE SAYS HE CANNOT
00:12:51COMMENT AND DOES NOT, BUT HE HAS
MADE EXCEPTIONS LIKE THE
00:12:55SEVERANCE TAX AND OTHER THINGS
HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT.
00:12:56THIS IS OPINION PLAY A ROLE IN
WHO SHOULD BE THE SPEAKER?
00:13:00>> ALTHOUGH ROSENBERGER AND THE
ADMINISTRATION HAVE SAID IT IS
00:13:05NOT TRUE, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS
IS THAT CLIFF ROSENBERGER IS
00:13:09GOVERNOR KASICH'S CHOICE TO BE
THE SPEAKER, AND THAT IS PART OF
00:13:14THE REASON THIS DRAGGED ON FOR A
WHILE.
00:13:17SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
THAT.
00:13:19THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME
LAWMAKERS THAT FEEL STRONGLY
00:13:22THAT THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH THAT
WHILE IT SHOULD WORK WITH THE
00:13:26GOVERNOR, IT SHOULD BE
INDEPENDENT AND DO ITS OWN
00:13:28THING.
NOW, LIKE I SAID, I CANNOT TELL
00:13:29YOU WHETHER CLIFF ROSENBERGER --
WHETHER HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH
00:13:35THE GOVERNOR -- HOW THAT WILL
TRANSLATE.
00:13:39I THINK THEY WILL WORK FINE
TOGETHER.
00:13:41I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY WILL GO
TOO FAR OR NOT.
00:13:43CLEARLY, SOME THINK HE MIGHT,
AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ANOTHER
00:13:48CHALLENGER OUT THERE.
WE WILL SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
00:13:50I THINK IT FACTORS IN.
IT IS THE GOVERNOR'S OPINION,
00:13:57BUT I DO NOT KNOW THAT IT ALWAYS
FACTORS IN IN THE POSITIVE.
00:13:58>> SPEAKING OF JIM BUTLER, THERE
IS SOMETHING THAT COULD
00:14:05POTENTIALLY CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR
HIM.
00:14:06THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION ABOUT
A LETTER THAT CAME FROM HIS
00:14:10OFFICE, OR AT LEAST THE
LETTERHEAD FROM HIS OFFICE.
00:14:13>> THIS IS A STRANGE SIDE ISSUE.
CLIFF ROSENBERGER WAS RUNNING
00:14:21AND HE GOT A TAPE PARTY PRIMARY
CHALLENGE -- TEA PARTY PRIMARY
00:14:26CHALLENGER, AND SUDDENLY HE GOT
A LETTER IN THE MAIL LOOKING
00:14:28LIKE IT CAME FROM JIM BUTLER'S
OFFICE SAYING CONGRATULATIONS,
00:14:33WE ARE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF YOU,
LET US KNOW IF YOU NEED HELP. IF
00:14:38THAT ACTUALLY DID COME FROM
BUTLER'S OFFICE, IT WOULD BE A
00:14:41TERRIBLE THING IF THAT GOT OUT
BECAUSE YOU JUST DO NOT BACK THE
00:14:45CHALLENGER TO A SITTING
INCUMBENT IN YOUR OWN PARTY.
00:14:47THAT WOULD BE BAD FOR HIM AND
PUT YOU IN THE DOG --
00:14:50>> ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS COULD
POTENTIALLY BE THE SPEAKER.
00:14:54PLAXICO DEEPLY FOR YOU IN THE
DOGHOUSE OF A LOT OF
00:14:59REPUBLICANS.
-- >> IT COULD DEEPLY PUT YOU IN
00:15:03THE DOGHOUSE OF A LOT OF
REPUBLICANS.
00:15:04JIM BUTLER HER THE LETTER, --
HEARD ABOUT THE LETTER, AND HE
00:15:09SAID I DID NOT WRITE THE LETTER.
THEY HAD THE LETTER WORKED ON AT
00:15:16THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS LAB.
RESOURCES WERE PUT INTO THIS.
00:15:19A REPORT WAS SENT TO THE
FRANKLIN COUNTY PROSECUTOR.
00:15:22THEY HAVE ASKED THE PATROL TO DO
MORE WORK ON IT, BUT IT DOES
00:15:29APPEAR THEY ARE HEADED TO THE
POINT WHERE IT WILL BE A
00:15:30LEGISLATIVE STAFFER WHO WILL
FACE CHARGES FOR THIS FOR
00:15:34FORGERY OF SOME KIND.
JIM BUTLER IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT
00:15:39BECAUSE HE THINKS THIS WAS DONE
TO TRY TO EMBARRASS HIM.
00:15:41CLIFF ROSENBERGER SAYS HE HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, AND
00:15:45NOBODY HAS INDICATED TO ME THAT
HE HAS.
00:15:47IT IS STRANGE -- WHY WAS THIS
LETTER SENT, AND WHAT DID THEY
00:15:53THINK THE ENDGAME WAS GOING TO
BE BECAUSE AT SOME POINT JIM
00:15:58BUTLER WOULD LEARN ABOUT THE
LETTER, HE WOULD DENY IT, AND WE
00:16:01WOULD END UP IN THE SAME WAYS WE
ARE NOW NO MATTER WHAT.
00:16:05I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE THOUGHT
PROCESS WAS.
00:16:06I WILL BE INTERESTING --
INTERESTED TO SEE WHO GETS
00:16:12CHARGED.
>> DO YOU THINK THE SPEAKER'S
00:16:15RACE IS OVER?
>> KNOW, AND IT IS NOT BECAUSE I
00:16:20DO NOT THINK CLIFF ROSENBERGER
HAS 60% OF THE VOTES.
00:16:24I'M SURE HIS LIST IS ACCURATE,
BUT TIME MARCHES ON, AND IN THE
00:16:29COURSE OF FOUR MONTHS, I HAVE
BEEN AROUND DOING THIS LONG
00:16:33ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU DO NOT
CALL THESE KIND OF THINGS EARLY,
00:16:37ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS A
VIABLE SECOND CANDIDATE AND A
00:16:39SECRET BALLOT TO PICK THE
SPEAKER.
00:16:42>> JIM SIEGEL OF THE "COLUMBUS
DISPATCH," THANK YOU.
00:16:46>> THANK YOU.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
00:16:49>> THE QUESTION OF WHO WILL BE
SPEAKER AND WHY COMES UP WITH
00:16:56SOME REGULARITY NOW, THANKS TO
TERM LIMITS.
00:16:58AND THE SPEAKER HAS OFTEN BEEN A
VERY VISIBLE FORCE IN STATEHOUSE
00:17:00POLITICS OVER THE YEARS.
TO TALK ABOUT THAT, I'M SO
00:17:01PLEASED TO WELCOME BACK TO THE
SHOW MY STATEHOUSE BUREAU
00:17:05REPORTER EMERITUS, MY FORMER
COLLEAGUE BILL COHEN.
00:17:09SO, IT APPEARS THAT WE ARE GOING
TO HAVE A SPEAKER THAT IS 33
00:17:13YEARS OLD, AND THAT IS CLIFF
ROSENBERGER IN HIS SECOND TERM.
00:17:19HE WAS BORN FOUR MONTHS BEFORE
RON AMSTUTZ WAS ELECTED IN 1981,
00:17:25APPARENTLY.
CAN YOU REMEMBER A SPEAKER WHO
00:17:28IS THIS YOUNG IN THIS RELATIVELY
INEXPERIENCED?
00:17:29>> I CANNOT GET THE SPEAKERS
THAT I REMEMBER ARE VERNON RICE,
00:17:34WHO WAS NOT REALLY A REAL
VETERAN WHEN HE TOOK OVER BUT HE
00:17:38LASTED 20 YEARS AS SPEAKER AND
HE HAD THAT STATURE AS AN
00:17:44EXPERIENCED GUY.
JOANNE DAVIDSON HAD BEEN AROUND
00:17:45FOR MANY YEARS.
BILL BATCHELDER, OF COURSE, HAD
00:17:52BEEN AROUND FOR SOMETHING LIKE
30 YEARS BEFORE HE BECAME
00:17:53SPEAKER.
>> EVEN SPEAKER JOHN HUGHES THAT
00:17:57HAD BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE
WHILE.
00:17:59HE WAS YOUNGER, BUT HAD BEEN IN
THE LEGISLATURE FOR A LITTLE
00:18:02WHILE.
>> THAT IS RIGHT, AND THE ONE
00:18:06THING THAT TIES A LOT OF THESE
PEOPLE TOGETHER IS THAT IN
00:18:09GENERAL THEY HAVE BEEN
WHEELER-DEALERS, AND I'M NOT
00:18:13SAYING THAT IS GOOD OR BAD, BUT
THAT IS HOW THEY VIEW THEMSELVES
00:18:18-- AS PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IT IS TO
KEEP THE CAUCUS TOGETHER, KEEP
00:18:21THEM UNIFIED, DO NOT LET THINGS
GET TOO CONTROVERSIAL, AND BE,
00:18:26KIND OF, A CONCILIATOR.
THAT IS WHAT ROSENBERGER SOUNDS
00:18:29AS IF HE IS, HAVING MADE THIS
DEAL WITH AMSTUTZ.
00:18:38IT SEEMS TO BE SOMEWHAT IN THE
CENTER OF HIS OWN PARTY.
00:18:39>> A LOT OF PEOPLE DO HAVE THE
PERCEPTION THAT THE SPEAKER IS
00:18:44THIS PERSON THAT BRINGS EVERYONE
TOGETHER, BUT SOME MIGHT THINK
00:18:48THE SPEAKER IS JUST THE BEST
FUNDRAISER IN THE CAUCUS, THE
00:18:51MOST POPULAR PERSON IN THE
CAUCUS.
00:18:53WHO IS THE SPEAKER, TYPICALLY?
IS HE OR SHE ANY ONE OF THOSE
00:18:59THINGS?
>> BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, I WOULD
00:19:03SAY, SHOWING THAT HE OR SHE
COULD BE A GOOD FUNDRAISER, AND
00:19:05THAT THEY CAN REWARD OR PUNISH
PEOPLE THAT HELP OR HURT THEM
00:19:10HERE IN WERNER -- HURT THEM.
VERNON RICE WAS THE
00:19:14QUINTESSENTIAL EXAMPLE WITHOUT
TERM LIMITS.
00:19:18HE IS -- HE AMASSED IMMENSE
POWER PUNISHING ENEMIES,
00:19:24REWARDING FRIENDS, KEEPING
EVERYONE IN LINE, KEEPING TOTAL
00:19:28CONTROL OF THE MONEY GOING ON.
NOWADAYS, YOU WILL HAVE A
00:19:31SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE THAT DOES A
LITTLE BIT OF THAT, BUT SINCE
00:19:36THEY WILL ONLY BE SPEAKER FOR
FOUR YEARS AT THE MOST BEFORE
00:19:40THEY ARE OUT ON TERM LIMITS, YOU
WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE WE
00:19:44USED TO HAVE WITH VERNON RICE.
>> WHICH BRINGS TO THE QUESTION,
00:19:51WHY DOES ANYONE CARE WHO THE
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS?
00:19:53WHY DOES IT MATTER TO THE
AVERAGE OHIOAN?
00:19:56>> I DO NOT THINK IT MATTERS
VERY OFTEN.
00:20:00USUALLY IT IS SOMEONE IN THE
CENTER OF THEIR OWN PARTY.
00:20:04THEY DO NOT BRING EVERYONE
TOGETHER, DEMOCRAT AND
00:20:10REPUBLICAN.
THEY BRING THEIR OWN MAJORITY
00:20:11PARTY TOGETHER.
BUT, THIS THING WITH JIM BUTLER
00:20:15PERHAPS CHALLENGING FROM THE
RIGHT AND SAYING THAT
00:20:16ROSENBERGER IS NOT CONSERVATIVE
ENOUGH, NOW, THAT WOULD BE A
00:20:23DIFFERENCE.
I THINK HE WOULD BE A SPEAKER
00:20:25THAT WOULD BE MORE ON THE SIDE
OF ONE PARTY.
00:20:26JUST THINK -- IT WOULD NOT MAKE
MUCH DIFFERENCE MOST OF THE
00:20:32TIME, BUT THINK ABOUT THIS ONE
MAJOR ISSUE THAT HAPPENED A
00:20:34COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
MEDICAID EXPANSION.
00:20:36WE ADDED TWO UNDER 75,000 MORE
PEOPLE TO THE MEDICAID ROLLS.
00:20:40-- 275,000 MORE PEOPLE TO THE
MEDICAID ROLLS.
00:20:45MANY REPUBLICANS ARE NOT LIKE
THE IDEA.
00:20:50BASIC WENT AROUND THE
LEGISLATURE.
00:20:51HE WENT TO THE CONTROLLING
BOARD.
00:20:53THE VOTES LOOKED IFFY.
WHAT HAPPENED, THE HOUSE SPEAKER
00:20:58BILL BATCHELDER YANKED TWO
MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD.
00:21:02>> CLIFF ROSENBERGER AND RON
AMSTUTZ.
00:21:06>> IRONICALLY, AND REPLACE THEM,
AND THERE WEREN'T ANY NUMBER
00:21:11VOTES -- AND THERE WERE ENOUGH
VOTES TO GET THROUGH.
00:21:16IT JIM BUTLER WERE SPEAKER,
PERHAPS YOU WOULD NOT HAVE
00:21:18MEDICAID EXPANSION TODAY.
WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST
00:21:22IT, IT WOULD BE A BIG
DIFFERENCE.
00:21:25WHEN YOU HAVE A SOMEWHAT
MODERATE CONSERVATIVE, IF THERE
00:21:29IS SUCH A THING, AND THEN AN
ULTRACONSERVATIVE VYING FOR THE
00:21:33HOUSE SPEAKERSHIP, YES, IT COULD
MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN ISSUES.
00:21:36>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, DOES
THE SPEAKER, WHO HE OR SHE IS,
00:21:44SET THE TONE FOR THE LEGISLATION
?
00:21:46IF THE SPEAKER IS HARD RIGHT OR
HARD LEFT, DO WE GET A SENSE OF
00:21:52WHAT KIND OF LEGISLATION WE WILL
SEE AND WHETHER WE WILL SEE
00:21:54LEGISLATION WILL WEEKLY AT ALL?
-- MOVE QUICKLY AT ALL?
00:21:58>> I THINK THAT IS TRUE.
IF JIM BUTLER WERE THE SPEAKER,
00:22:01YOU COULD EXPECT CONSERVATIVE OR
ULTRACONSERVATIVE LEGISLATION.
00:22:05IF IT IS ROSENBERGER, IT WOULD
BE CONSERVATIVE, BUT NOT TOTALLY
00:22:11TEA PARTY MATERIAL.
>> WHAT ABOUT WHEN VERNON RICE
00:22:15WAS SPEAKER?
HE SEEMED TO HAVE A REPUTATION
00:22:19FOR HOLDING EVERYONE TOGETHER,
BUT ALSO WORKING WITH
00:22:23REPUBLICANS TO TRY TO BRING SOME
LEGISLATION TO THE FLOOR.
00:22:26>> YEAH, BUT HE WOULD USUALLY
JUST DO IT WITH HIS OWN CAUCUS.
00:22:31IF HE COULD GIVE REPUBLICANS A
FEW CRUMBS AND GET THEM ON BOARD
00:22:35, TOO, THAT WOULD BE FINE, BUT
AGAIN, RICE, DAVIDSON, SHE'S
00:22:41DEAD, THE -- HUSTED, THESE ARE
NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE I A
00:22:47LOGICALLY DRIVEN.
-- THEY ARE NOT IDEOLOGICALLY
00:22:52DRIVEN.
BILL HARRIS WAS SENATE
00:22:57PRESIDENT.
HE WAS THE QUINTESSENTIAL
00:23:00EXAMPLE OF THAT PERSONIFIED.
HE WAS THE SENATE PRESIDENT,
00:23:04REPUBLICAN.
WE WOULD SAY TO HIM, WELL, ARE
00:23:07YOU FOR OR AGAINST THIS
PARTICULAR CONTROVERSY OF
00:23:09PROPOSAL WHICH IS REALLY A BIG
ISSUE, AND IT WAS ALMOST A
00:23:12COMEDY ROUTINE.
WE WOULD JUST LAUGH AND GIGGLE
00:23:15BECAUSE HIS ANSWER WAS ALWAYS
SOMETHING LIKE -- WELL, THIS IS
00:23:19A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THE
PEOPLE OF OHIO, AND WE WILL
00:23:24CONSIDER THIS IN THE
SUBCOMMITTEE, AND WE WILL BRING
00:23:25IT TO A VOTE ONLY AFTER CAREFUL
CONSIDERATION OF WHAT IS BEST
00:23:29FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT
STATE OF OHIO.
00:23:31IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN NEVER PIN
HIM DOWN ON ANYTHING.
00:23:35HE WAS NOT AN ISSUE ORIENTED
GUY.
00:23:38HE WAS IN THE MODE OF
CONCILIATOR, LET'S BRING THE
00:23:41CAUCUS TOGETHER, NOT EMBARRASS
OURSELVES, WIN REELECTION AND
00:23:48STAY IN THE MAJORITY.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME
00:23:49OUT OF THIS SITUATION CAME FROM
LOUIS TERHAR WHO SAID THE CHOICE
00:23:55OF ROSENBERGER CENTERS AROUND
TWO PERSONALITIES AND NOT ONE
00:24:01PRINCIPLE OF POLICY WAS
DISCUSSED.
00:24:03IS THE SPEAKER REALLY A
PERSONALITY RATHER THAN A POLICY
00:24:05PERSON?
>> IF THE CHOICE IS BETWEEN
00:24:08THOSE TWO THINGS, IT GENERALLY
HAS BEEN REVOLVING AROUND
00:24:11PERSONALITY, AND THE PEOPLE
SKILLS, THE WHEELER-DEALER
00:24:17SKILLS.
UP UNTIL NOW, IT HAS NOT BEEN
00:24:18THAT MUCH PITTING MODERATES AND
CONSERVATIVES OR MODERATES
00:24:25AGAINST LIBERALS.
IT HAS NOT BEEN THAT MUCH
00:24:26ISSUE-ORIENTED.
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SPEAKER
00:24:30AND THE ROLE OF THE LEGISLATURE
WITH REGARD TO THE GOVERNOR,
00:24:32WHAT YOU THINK THAT SAYS ABOUT
ROSENBERGER AND GOVERNOR KASICH
00:24:35BEING REELECTED?
HOW IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
00:24:39THE HOUSE, THE SPEAKER, AND THE
GOVERNOR -- HOW DOES THAT COME
00:24:41TOGETHER?
>> IT APPEARS TO COME TOGETHER
00:24:47PRETTY WELL WITH THOSE TWO,
GOVERNOR KASICH AND ROSENBERGER.
00:24:49IF IT BECOMES JIM BUTLER AND THE
GOVERNOR, I THINK YOU WOULD SEE
00:24:54SOME JOUSTING.
YOU WOULD SEE JIM BUTLER SAYING
00:24:58WE'RE GOING TO HOLD TO A VERY
CONSERVATIVE POSITION, THE TEA
00:25:02PARTY POSITION, AND GOVERNOR, IF
YOU STRAY FROM THAT, AS YOU HAVE
00:25:06A COUPLE OF TIMES LIKE WITH
MEDICAID EXPANSION, WE ARE NOT
00:25:09GOING TO JUST GO ALONG WITH IT
BECAUSE YOU ARE ASKING US AND
00:25:13YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN AND I AM A
REPUBLICAN.
00:25:14WE WILL STAY WITH THESE
ULTRACONSERVATIVE ISSUES.
00:25:18>> SO, JUST BECAUSE THE SPEAKER
IS FROM THE SAME PARTY OF THE
00:25:22GOVERNOR, THAT DOES NOT
NECESSARILY MEAN ANYTHING.
00:25:24THERE HAVE BEEN COVERS BETWEEN
THE -- STRUGGLES BETWEEN THE
00:25:29GOVERNOR AND THE SPEAKERS IN THE
PAST EVEN WHEN THEY ARE THE SAME
00:25:32PARTY.
>> IN GENERAL, BUT THEY WILL
00:25:33AGREE 90% OF THE TIME.
ONCE IN A WHILE THEY DISAGREE,
00:25:38AND WE REPORT ON IT, BUT IN
GENERAL, THEY SEE IT I 2-IRON
00:25:4195% THE TIME.
>> BILL COHEN, THANK YOU FOR
00:25:45BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU.
00:25:46AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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