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KAREN: THE HOUSE PASSES THE
00:00:29VERSION OF THE BUDGET MAJORITY
REPUBLICANS FLOATED, BUT IT'S
00:00:31LIKELY TO HIT ROUGH WATERS
AHEAD.
00:00:34AND IS HE OR ISN'T HE?
PUNDITS CAN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT
00:00:36GOV. JOHN KASICH'S POSSIBLE
PLANS FOR PRESIDENT.
00:00:40WE'LL CHECK IN WITH TWO OF THE
TOP POLITICAL EXPERTS IN THE
00:00:44STATE FOR THEIR THOUGHTS.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:47OHIO."
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00:00:58THE STATE BUDGET IS HALFWAY
THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
00:01:01BUT IT MAY NOT GET TOO MUCH
FURTHER IN ITS CURRENT FORM.
00:01:03THE BUDGET CAME OUT OF A HOUSE
COMMITTEE LAST WEEK, AND IT
00:01:08LOOKED DIFFERENT THAN GOV. JOHN
KASICH'S ORIGINAL BUDGET DID.
00:01:12IT HAD A 6.3% INCOME TAX CUT,
DOWN FROM KASICH'S PROPOSED 23%
00:01:15CUT.
AND IT HAD NONE OF THE MAJOR TAX
00:01:19INCREASES THAT KASICH HAD
PROPOSED TO PAY FOR HIS TAX CUT.
00:01:22THE INCREASES IN SALES TAX AND
THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY TAX OR
00:01:31CAT, AND THE HIKES IN TAXES ON
TOBACCO AND FRACKING.
00:01:36THE HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE DID
MAKE A FEW LAST MINUTE TWEAKS
00:01:38BEFORE VOTING IT OUT ON MONDAY.
THEY INCLUDED -- THE HOUSE PUT
00:01:41ANOTHER $100 MILLION DOLLARS
INTO PUBLIC SCHOOLS,
00:01:44SPECIFICALLY FOR THE 93
DISTRICTS THAT WOULD HAVE GOTTEN
00:01:46LESS MONEY BECAUSE OF A
PHASE-OUT OF THE TANGIBLE
00:01:48PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
SO NO DISTRICT WILL GET LESS
00:01:51MONEY IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE
BUDGET THAN IN THE CURRENT YEAR.
00:01:54THE HOUSE ALSO PUT $1.25 MILLION
TOWARD THE MAILING OF ABSENTEE
00:01:56BALLOT APPLICATIONS BY THE
SECRETARY OF STATE, WHICH
00:02:00PLEASED VOTING RIGHTS ADVOCATES,
AND CUT THE BAN ON AUDITOR DAVID
00:02:02YOST'S PROPOSED PLAN TO CONDUCT
SUNSHINE AUDITS OF STATE
00:02:05AGENCIES.
THE HOUSE BUDGET ALSO CUT TWO
00:02:08PROVISIONS THAT INFURIATED
UNIONS, SECTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE
00:02:11RECLASSIFIED HIGHER EDUCATION
FACULTY AS MANAGEMENT AND WOULD
00:02:13PREVENT UNIONIZED CHARTER SCHOOL
EMPLOYEES FROM GAINING ACCESS TO
00:02:17STATE PENSION BENEFITS.
AND THE HOUSE BUDGET ALSO CUT A
00:02:20CONTROVERSIAL PROPOSAL TO ALLOW
COUNTIES TO PRIVATIZE THEIR
00:02:28JAILS.
BUT HOUSE LEADERS SAID SEVERAL
00:02:38OF THESE IDEAS COULD COME BACK
IN OTHER BILLS.
00:02:42ON THE HOUSE FLOOR FOR THE FINAL
VOTE, FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN
00:02:44RYAN SMITH OF BIDWELL NEAR
GALLIPOLIS DEFENDED THE BUDGET
00:02:46AS A SPENDING PLAN THAT BUILDS
ON THE ECONOMIC STRIDES THAT
00:02:48OHIO HAS MADE IN RECENT YEARS.
KAREN: BUT DEMOCRATS WERE
00:02:52DISAPPOINTED.
>> WE HAVE RESOURCES TO MAKE
00:02:59GOOD DECISIONS AND TRY TO STRIKE
THE BALANCE OF THE RIGHT
00:03:04INVESTMENTS WITH THE POLICY
INITIATIVES THAT WE WANT BACK
00:03:09WHILE ALSO BEING FISCALLY
PRUDENT AND CREATING A STRONG
00:03:11BUSINESS CLIMATE TO INCENTIVE
FIVE -- INCENTIVIZE
00:03:15ENTREPRENEURS.
KAREN: BUT DEMOCRATS WERE
00:03:16DISAPPOINTED.
DENISE DRIEHAUS OF CINCINNATI
00:03:18SAID THIS BUDGET IS OUT OF LINE
WITH WHAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS
00:03:21STATE WANT, WHICH SHE SAID WAS A
BIPARTISAN PLAN TO BUILD THE
00:03:23MIDDLE CLASS, REDUCE POVERTY,
CREATE PROSPERITY AND ENSURE
00:03:25THAT ALL OHIOANS HAVE A CHANCE
TO SUCCEED.
00:03:34>> WE STARTED THE PROCESS WITH
GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT WE DID
00:03:36NOT LIKE THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET.
WE WERE GUARDEDLY OPTIMISTIC
00:03:41ABOUT MAKING PROGRESS IN
CREATING A BUDGET THEY'LL WORK
00:03:43FOR OHIO.
WE MADE SOME PROGRESS, BUT THERE
00:03:49REMAIN SO MANY MISSED
OPPORTUNITIES.
00:03:50>> I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT
WE WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO
00:04:05SUPPORT IT.
NEVER BEING DISCUSSED IN THE
00:04:16MONTHS OF COMMITTEE HEARINGS.
IT ATTACKS THE CORE PRINCIPLES
00:04:27OF OUR PARTY AND IS NOTHING ELSE
BUT DIRECT ATTACK AGAINST AND A
00:04:31DAGGER INTO THE HEARTS OF
WORKING OHIOANS.
00:04:33KAREN: HOUSE DEMOCRATS PROPOSED
A DOZEN AMENDMENTS TO REDUCE THE
00:04:37SALES TAX, TO CUT THE INCOME TAX
FOR LOWER INCOME BRACKETS, TO
00:04:39INCREASE MONEY TO LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS, TO ELIMINATE THE
00:04:41REMAINING SO-CALLED ANTI-LABOR
PROVISIONS AND TO KEEP MEDICAID
00:04:44ELIGIBILITY FOR PREGNANT WOMEN
UP TO 200% OF THE FEDERAL
00:04:48POVERTY LEVEL, AMONG OTHERS.
WHILE REPUBLICANS DID SOME OF
00:04:51THESE AMENDMENTS COULD BE
CONSIDERED EVENTUALLY AS
00:04:54STANDALONE BILLS, ALL OF THE
DEMOCRATS AMENDMENTS WERE
00:04:58REJECTED.
THERE HAD BEEN SOME TALK OF A
00:05:01MINI-REVOLT OF CONSERVATIVE
REPUBLICANS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP
00:05:03OF JIM BUTLER, WHO HAD INITIALLY
RUN AGAINST CLIFF ROSENBERGER
00:05:09FOR SPEAKER.
BUTLER AND OTHERS ARE STILL
00:05:19CONCERNED ABOUT MEDICAID
EXPANSION IN THE BUDGET, AND TEA
00:05:21PARTY ACTIVISTS HAD BEEN URGING
THEIR SUPPORTERS TO CALL HOUSE
00:05:23MEMBERS TO DEMAND A "NO" VOTE ON
THE BUDGET FOR THAT AND FOR THE
00:05:26SIZE OF THE BUDGET.
AT MORE THAN $71 BILLION, IT'S
00:05:28THE LARGEST IN OHIO HISTORY.
SPEAKER PRO TEM RON AMSTUTZ OF
00:05:31WOOSTER HINTED THAT THE CONCERNS
ABOUT THE BUDGET IN HIS FINAL
00:05:33PITCH BEFORE THE VOTE, AND
SUGGESTED THE GOP CAUCUS STAND
00:05:36FIRM TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE
SENATE, WHICH HAS ALREADY
00:05:38STARTED INFORMAL HEARINGS.
>> THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE
00:05:47LINE.
I DON'T KNOW IT'S GOING TO
00:05:50HAPPEN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ONE HAPPEN
00:05:53IN THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE.
IT IS VERY STRONG PROPOSAL.
00:05:58WE HAVE SHOWN WE CAN DO IT.
WE CONSIDER THE YES VOTE TODAY
00:06:16ON THIS VOTE.
KAREN: IN THE END, THE BUDGET
00:06:23PASSED ON A MOSTLY PARTY LINE
VOTE 63-36.
00:06:25THREE DEMOCRATS BROKE WITH THE
PARTY AND VOTED FOR THE BUDGET
00:06:28-- JOHN BARNES JR., BILL PATMON
AND MARTIN SWEENEY, ALL OF
00:06:31CLEVELAND.
FIVE REPUBLICANS DEPARTED FROM
00:06:32THEIR MAJORITY COLLEAGUES AND
VOTED AGAINST THE BUDGET, AND
00:06:33THE FIRST THREE ARE FAMILIAR
NAMES IN THIS CATEGORY -- JOHN
00:06:36BECKER AND TOM BRINKMAN, BOTH OF
CINCINNATI, RON HOOD OF ASHVILLE
00:06:38IN SOUTHEAST OHIO, NINO VITALE
OF URBANA AND PAUL ZELTWANGER OF
00:06:41MASON.
BUT GOV. KASICH WASN'T PLEASED
00:06:51WITH WHAT HE SAW FROM HIS FELLOW
REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE.
00:06:53HIS SPOKESMAN, ROB NICHOLS
ISSUED A STATEMENT THAT READS IN
00:06:55FULL,
"RESTRAINED, RESPONSIBLE
00:06:58BUDGETING HAS HELPED GET OHIO
BACK ON TRACK, WHICH IS WHY THE
00:07:00GOVERNOR IS SO TROUBLED BY THE
HOUSE BUDGET.
00:07:03THEIR SPENDING INCREASES AND
ROSY BUDGET PROJECTIONS THREATEN
00:07:06THE PROGRESS OHIO HAS MADE IN
THE PAST FOUR YEARS AND THE
00:07:07REJECTION OF TAX REFORM IS A
MISSED OPPORTUNITY THAT, IF
00:07:11ALLOWED TO REMAIN, WOULD ERODE
OUR IMPROVING ECONOMIC CLIMATE.
00:07:21AS A FORMER CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET
COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN, HE'S SEEN
00:07:24THIS SITUATION BEFORE: AFTER THE
FISCAL CRISIS SUBSIDES PEOPLE
00:07:26THINK IT'S OKAY TO SLIP BACK TO
OLD HABITS.
00:07:28THE GOVERNOR WILL DO EVERYTHING
POSSIBLE TO PREVENT THAT FROM
00:07:30HAPPENING.
HE RESPECTS THE LEGISLATIVE
00:07:33BUDGET PROCESS AND CONGRATULATES
SPEAKER ROSENBERGER ON THE
00:07:35PASSAGE OF HIS FIRST BUDGET.
HE LOOKS FORWARD TO THE SENATE'S
00:07:38WORK NOW AND HAS CONFIDENCE THAT
THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERS WILL
00:07:41COME TOGETHER ON A BUDGET THAT
ADVANCES THE IDEAS THAT HAVE
00:07:44BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL IN
STRENGTHENING OHIO."
00:07:51THE SENATE HAS STARTED INFORMAL
HEARINGS ON THE BUDGET.
00:07:52THERE ARE BASICALLY TWO MAIN
TOPICS HERE ON CAPITOL SQUARE
00:07:56SINCE LAWMAKERS RETURNED FROM
SPRING BREAK, AND THEY BOTH
00:07:58INVOLVE THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
THE BIENNIAL STATE BUDGET AND
00:08:01THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR
PRESIDENT IN 2016.
00:08:04AND OBVIOUSLY, GOV. JOHN KASICH
IS FRONT AND CENTER IN BOTH OF
00:08:07THESE DISCUSSIONS.
THIS WEEK, KASICH LAUNCHED A 527
00:08:11ORGANIZATION CALLED NEW DAY FOR
AMERICA, RECALLING THE "NEW DAY"
00:08:15THEME THAT HIS GUBERNATORIAL
CAMPAIGN ADOPTED IN BOTH 2010
00:08:18AND 2014.
A 527 ORGANIZATION IS ALLOWED TO
00:08:23RAISE UNLIMITED FUNDS TO PROMOTE
POLICY, BUT THAT MONEY CAN'T BE
00:08:26USED FOR A PRESIDENTIAL
CAMPAIGN.
00:08:37BUT KASICH HAS BEEN DROPPING
EVEN MORE HINTS THAT HE'S
00:08:39SERIOUS ABOUT RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT, EVEN AS HIS BUDGET IS
00:08:42GETTING DISCUSSED, AND IN SOME
WAYS TORN APART, AS IT MAKES ITS
00:08:44WAY THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THAT ARE
00:08:47TWO EXPERTS IN OHIO AND NATIONAL
POLITICS.
00:08:49DAVID NIVEN IS A PROFESSOR OF
POLITICAL SCIENCE AT THE
00:08:52UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI.
AND JOHN GREEN IS THE DIRECTOR
00:08:56OF THE BLISS INSTITUTE FOR
APPLIED POLITICS AT THE
00:08:58UNIVERSITY OF AKRON.
HE JOINS US AT THE STUDIOS OF
00:09:00WNEO IN KENT.
WE HAVE SENATOR TED CRUZ, RAND
00:09:09PAUL, MARCO RUBIO.
THEN CARSON, FORMER ARKANSAS
00:09:14GOVERNOR MIKE HUCKABEE.
TEXAS GOVERNOR RICK PERRY, SCOTT
00:09:20WALKER, FORMER CEO, RICK
SANTORUM.
00:09:23BOBBY JINDAL AND MAYBE DONALD
TRUMP.
00:09:26THEN OF COURSE THERE IS JEB BUSH
AND MAYBE EVEN NEW JERSEY
00:09:33GOVERNOR CHRIS CHRISTIE.
WHAT ARE JOHN KASICH CHANCES
00:09:38AGAINST THOSE PEOPLE, MANY OF
WHOM ARE HOUSEHOLD NAMES AND
00:09:42HEADLINERS AND POLITICS.
>> THIS IS A CAST OF THOUSANDS.
00:09:47WE TEND TO THINK OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY AS SPEAKING
00:09:56WITH ONE VOICE BUT THIS IS A
DIFFERENT ARRAY OF OPTIONS.
00:09:58WINNERS TEND TO HAVE GREAT IN
TANGIBLE STRENGTHS.
00:10:04JUST A AMAZING CHARISMA OR
MAGNETISM AND PEOPLE WANT TO
00:10:11FOLLOW THEM.
OR THEY HAVE THE MOST MONEY.
00:10:13IT'S HARD TO EMERGE FROM THE
FIELD FROM ONE OF THOSE AND
00:10:20SOMEONE LIKE GEORGE W. BUSH HAS
BOTH.
00:10:21HOW DOES HE STAND OUT AGAINST
THIS CAST OF THOUSANDS?
00:10:25>> HOW DOES HE HAVE A CHANCE
AGAINST SOME OF THESE MAJOR
00:10:35HEADLINES?
>> HE CAN APPEAL TO A RELATIVELY
00:10:39SMALL NUMBER OF VOTERS.
AND THE SUCCESSFUL GOVERNOR,
00:10:48SOMEONE WHO IS UNORTHODOX IN HIS
VIEWS.
00:10:50THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AND MUCH
DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE
00:10:56OTHER CANDIDATES.
>> HE SEEMS SIMILAR TO SCOTT
00:11:03WALKER IN SOME RESPECTS.
DOES IT DEPEND ON IF THESE
00:11:08CANDIDATES DROP OUT?
>> THE CANDIDACY WOULD BENEFIT
00:11:18IF ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES
SIMILAR TO HIM STUMBLED IN THE
00:11:20EARLY GOING.
WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS FIND
00:11:24A WAY TO BREAK OUT.
THAT IS THE THING THAT I THINK
00:11:32HE IS EXPLORING RIGHT NOW.
>> LET ME ASK YOU.
00:11:42WHEN YOU START LOOKING BACK ON
HIS PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL
00:11:48CAMPAIGN, HE WAS RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT.
00:11:49YOU HAVE THE SAME POSSIBILITY.
WHAT HE WAS DEALING WITH IN 1999
00:12:01AND 2000.
IS THAT GOING TO BE THE REASON
00:12:04HE DROPS OUT.
AM I JUMPING THE GUN HERE?
00:12:15>> AS LONG AS HE IS A POTENTIAL
CANDIDATE, THE WASHINGTON POST
00:12:21WRITES ABOUT HIM, WE TALKED
ABOUT HIM.
00:12:23THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE HERE.
THE GOOD NEWS FOR HIM IS THAT
00:12:32JEB IS NO GEORGE W.
HE DOESN'T HAVE THE LOCKDOWN ON
00:12:35THE MONEY THAT GEORGE W HAD.
HE DOESN'T HAVE QUITE A
00:12:42REFLECTED GLORY THAT GEORGE W
WAS WRITING ON FROM TECH THIS.
00:12:44IT HAS BEEN OUT OF OFFICE FOR A
LONG TIME.
00:12:51YOU WOULD RATHER BE FACING JEB
BUSH TODAY THAN GEORGE W. BUSH
00:13:00IN 2000.
>> ONE PERSON HE WOULD LIKELY
00:13:07POSSIBLY FACE IF HE GOES ON TO
SURVIVE THE REPUBLICAN
00:13:08CONVENTION OR THE NOMINATION IS
HILLARY CLINTON.
00:13:11SHE HAS DONE FAIRLY WELL AGAINST
JOHN KASICH.
00:13:17IN OHIO, SPECIFICALLY.
HOW DO YOU THINK JOHN KASICH
00:13:22WOULD DO AGAINST HILLARY
CLINTON?
00:13:23>> I THINK HE WOULD BE VERY
COMPETITIVE IN A GENERAL
00:13:28ELECTION.
BUT IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE IN HER
00:13:31ELECTIONS ARE LIKELY TO BE VERY
COMPETITIVE.
00:13:32AND THE WHOLE BUDGET OF ISSUES
THAT BOTH SIDES WILL TRY TO
00:13:40EXPLOIT.
IT USED TO BE THAT CANDIDATES
00:13:45HAD TO GET IN EARLY BECAUSE IT
TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO RAISE
00:13:48MONEY.
BECAUSE OF CHANGES IN THE
00:13:51CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS, LARGE
AMOUNT OF MONEY CAN BE RAISED IN
00:13:54A VERY SHORT TIME.
WHETHER IT IS THE PRIMARIES ARE
00:13:59THE GENERAL ELECTION.
IT MAKES HIM POTENTIALLY MORE
00:14:05COMPETITIVE THIS TIME THAN IT
WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR EIGHT YEARS
00:14:07AGO.
>> IS A POSSIBLE KASICH IS
00:14:13PLAYING ALONG GAME HERE.
BUT HE'S TRYING TO GET HIS NAME
00:14:18OUT THERE, GET THE RECOGNITION
AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE
00:14:22YEAR.
>> I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY
00:14:25POSSIBLE.
POLITICIANS TEND TO PLAY THE
00:14:29LONG GAME.
THE OTHER ONE THAT PEOPLE HAVE
00:14:33BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THE
POSSIBILITY THAT JOHN KASICH
00:14:36MIGHT BE A VICE PRESIDENTIAL
NOMINEE.
00:14:37MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE HE MIGHT BE
ABLE TO SECURE OHIO FOR THE
00:14:42REPUBLICAN TICKET.
IT MIGHT BE A JOB YOU WOULD
00:14:45ENJOY.
THE BEST WAY TO RUN FOR VICE
00:14:49PRESIDENT IS TO RUN FOR
PRESIDENT.
00:14:50>> KASICH IS AN EXECUTIVE AND
DOESN'T WANT TO BE ANYBODY'S
00:14:58VICE PRESIDENT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT
00:15:02JOHN GREEN JUST SAID?
>> IT'S HARD TO RESIST THE CALL
00:15:07WHEN THE PARTY SAYS WE NEED YOU.
IT WOULD BE A GOOD PAIRING.
00:15:11SOMEONE WHO COULD USE A SENIOR
STATESMAN, IMAGINE THAT FLORIDA
00:15:18OHIO COMBINATION.
THERE IS ANOTHER LONG GAME, RUN
00:15:24FOR PRESIDENT AND GET A BETTER
TIMESLOT WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED.
00:15:28SELL A FEW COPIES THE NEXT TIME
YOU WRITE ONE OF THOSE BOOKS.
00:15:31THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO GETTING
YOUR NAME OUT MAKING THESE
00:15:36LITTLE TRIPS.
WHERE THE DOWNSIDE COMES AND IS
00:15:39THE ACTUAL RUNNING AND HAVING TO
BE ON THE GROUND EVERY DAY TO
00:15:43TRY TO WIN THIS THING.
>> HE HAS TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE
00:15:48TO DO WHEN HIS TERM AS GOVERNOR
EXPIRES.
00:15:50HE WAS ON NBC'S MEET THE PRESS
AND REPEATED SOMETHING HE SAID
00:15:56TO REPUBLICANS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
HE WAS WAITING FOR THE LORD TO
00:16:01TELL HIM WHAT TO DO WITH HIS
LIFE.
00:16:02HOW DO YOU THINK THAT PLAYS WITH
VOTERS, AS HE SEEMS TO BE TRYING
00:16:07TO CARVE OUT A MODERATE
REPUBLICAN NICHE?
00:16:10>> IT PLAYS WELL WITH THE CORE
IOWANS CAN -- ISLAND VOTER.
00:16:22IT MOST OF THEIR COUNTRY ROLL
THEIR EYES A LITTLE BIT AND SAYS
00:16:27YOU ARE PLAYING COY HERE.
PLAYING A GAME WITH US.
00:16:29IF THE LORD IS SPEAKING TO THE
POLLS, HE'S NOT MAKING A GREAT
00:16:34CASE FOR JOHN KASICH RIGHT NOW.
>> YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF
00:16:42RESEARCH IN REGARD TO AMERICAN
VOTERS, POLITICS, AND RELIGION.
00:16:44HOW DO YOU THINK MOST VOTERS FOR
THAT CONVERSATION, TALKING ABOUT
00:16:51WAITING FOR THE LORD TO TELL HIM
WHAT TO DO WITH HIS LIFE.
00:16:52>> THE REACTION WAS UNDOUBTEDLY
MIXED.
00:16:56SOME OF THE CHRISTIAN
CONSERVATIVES AND DEEPLY
00:17:00RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ON THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY PROBABLY REACT
00:17:04POSITIVELY TO THAT TERMINOLOGY.
OTHER PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY
00:17:09IRRITATED BY IT OR EVEN A BIT
OFFENDED WITH THE IDEA THAT GOD
00:17:13DOESN'T TAKE SIDES IN AMERICAN
POLITICS.
00:17:14A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE
COMFORTABLE WITH MAINSTREAM
00:17:20RELIGION AND THE IDEA THAT
SOMEONE BRINGS THEIR SPIRITUAL
00:17:22LIFE FOR GUIDANCE DOESN'T SEEM
LIKE A PARTICULARLY GOOD OR BAD
00:17:28THING.
IT COULD BE MUCH MORE
00:17:34PROBLEMATIC IN A QUESTION ABOUT
ONE'S INTENTIONS TO GET TO THE
00:17:39RACE.
>> HIS CRITICS WILL SAY THE IDEA
00:17:44THAT HE IS A MODERATE IS FAKE
DISHES.
00:17:45AND IT IS MORE WELL-KNOWN.
PEOPLE WILL START TO SEE THAT.
00:17:52WILL KASICH BE VIEWED AS A
MODERATE?
00:17:56IS KASICH GOING TO BE VIEWED AS
A MODERATE WHEN POLICIES ARE
00:18:05DEBATED AND DISCUSSED?
>> ANYONE MEASURED AGAINST TED
00:18:12CRUZ WILL LOOK LIKE A MODERATE.
IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE IN THE
00:18:14REPUBLICAN PARTY TO DUPLICATE
THE FAR RIGHT EDGES OF SOMEBODY
00:18:20LIKE TED CRUZ.
EVEN IF KASICH IS CONSERVATIVE,
00:18:23RIGHT WING ON 95 OUT OF 100
ISSUES, FINDING THAT 5% TO BE
00:18:30ANATHEMA.
IT'S ONE OF THE IRONIES.
00:18:34JEB BUSH GOVERNS AS A HARD-CORE
CONSERVATIVE AND HE HAS TO FEND
00:18:39OFF DISCHARGE THAT HE IS A
MODERATE AND KASICH WILL BE IN
00:18:44THE SAME SITUATION.
THAT ONE ISSUE OF MEDICAID
00:18:48EXPANSION MEANS SOMETHING TO
HARD-CORE REPUBLICAN VOTERS THAT
00:18:52DOESN'T WANT TO TOUCH OBAMACARE.
>> WILL KASICH BE VIEWED AS A
00:19:00MODERATE WHEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT
POLICY WILL COME OUT?
00:19:02>> I THINK THE MEDICAID
EXPANSION IS SOMETHING THAT
00:19:10MIGHT APPEAL TO INDEPENDENTS AND
DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.
00:19:12IT WOULD IDENTIFY HIM AS PERHAPS
NOT BEING AS FAR RIGHT.
00:19:18A LOT OF THIS REALLY HINGES ON
WHAT WE MEAN BY MODERATION.
00:19:24JOHN KASICH IS LESS A MODERATE
THAN SOMETHING OF A MAVERICK.
00:19:30IN POLITICAL DISCOURSE, WE PUT
THAT LACK OF ORTHODOXY TOGETHER.
00:19:40BECAUSE THEY ARE SOMEWHERE IN
THE MIDDLE.
00:19:44>> HIS BUDGET INCLUDED A 23%
ACROSS-THE-BOARD INCOME TAX CUT.
00:19:53INCLUDING INCREASES ON CIGARETTE
TAXES, FRACKING, THE STATE SALES
00:19:59TAX.
THE HOUSE CUT THAT THROUGH ALL
00:20:04THE INCREASES.
AS HE IS LOOKING AT NATIONAL
00:20:10INTENTIONS, RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT.
00:20:13IT WILL BE VERY SERIOUSLY
ALTERED?
00:20:19WILL THAT HURT HIM NATIONALLY?
>> IT IS PROBABLY HIS BEST
00:20:26FRIEND WITH REGARD TO THE
NATIONAL PERCEPTION OF HIS
00:20:28POLICIES.
THE LEGISLATURE PULLED HIM BACK
00:20:39ON THAT AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN
REALLY HARD FOR THE AVERAGE
00:20:43REPUBLICAN VOTER TO SWALLOW.
HE WANTED TO EXPAND THE TAXES
00:20:49AND IN THE END, THEY ARE NOT
GOING TO LET HIM DO IT.
00:20:51CAN SAY I CUT THE INCOME TAX
WHICH SOUNDS SO MUCH BETTER THAN
00:20:58I CUT THE INCOME TAX AND RAISED
THESE AND HAD THIS EFFECT.
00:21:02THE LEGISLATURE IS MORE TRUE AND
THEY ARE DOING HIS WORK FOR HIM.
00:21:10>> THE IDEA THAT THE LEGISLATURE
IS HELPING HIM OR COULD HURT
00:21:17HIM.
A HARPY BILL OR A RIGHT TO LIFE
00:21:23WILL.
HOW ABOUT HOW HE MIGHT BE
00:21:29PERCEIVED NATIONALLY WITH HIS
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE REPUBLICAN
00:21:30DOMINATED LEGISLATURE?
>> THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR
00:21:37OWN PARTISANS IN THE
LEGISLATURE.
00:21:38IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF
INTEREST THAN AN EXECUTIVE
00:21:44ELECTED STATEWIDE.
THERE COULD BE SOME REAL HELP
00:21:48BUT THERE COULD BE SOME REAL
PROBLEMS AS WELL.
00:21:50I DON'T THINK KASICH WILL RUN ON
HIS LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS.
00:21:54HE WILL RUN ON THE PERCEPTION
AND PERHAPS THE REALITY THAT
00:21:58MANY OF HIS POLICIES OF HAVE A
-- HAVE HAD A POSITIVE IMPACT.
00:22:03>> LET ME ASK YOU BOTH TO
CONCLUDE THIS SEGMENT.
00:22:07THESE THINK HE'S GOING TO RUN?
WHEN DO YOU THINK WE MIGHT NOW?
00:22:11-- DO YOU THINK WE WILL KNOW?
>> YOU WILL KNOW BY THEN BECAUSE
00:22:21SO MANY OF THE REPUBLICAN
ACTIVIST ARE BEING PRESSURED TO
00:22:23COMMIT TO A CANDIDATE.
FUNDRAISING YOU COULD DELAY.
00:22:28IT YOU COULD PUT TOGETHER A
CAMPAIGN LATE THAT SO MUCH OF
00:22:30THE INFRASTRUCTURE -- JEB BUSH
IS WORKING ON THAT.
00:22:38IF YOU WANTS TO COMPETE FOR THIS
THING, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE
00:22:45IS A PATH FORWARD.
IF YOU WANTS TO ENJOY THE RIDE
00:22:48AND ENJOY A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
ATTENTION, I THINK HE GETS IT.
00:22:51>> WHEN MIGHT WE KNOW FOR
CERTAIN?
00:22:55IS HE GOING TO RUN?
>> THE GOVERNOR MAY NOT KNOW
00:23:04HIMSELF.
BUT WE WILL KNOW BY SEPTEMBER
00:23:07BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO START
BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN
00:23:13THE EARLY STATES.
YOU CAN'T GET SUPPORT AT THE
00:23:16GLASS -- AT THE GRASSROOTS.
>> IT HAS BEEN SAID HILLARY
00:23:25CLINTON IS GOING TO RAISE $2
BILLION FOR THIS CAMPAIGN.
00:23:26COULD JOHN KASICH MATCH THAT
KIND OF MONEY?
00:23:32>> I THINK SO.
REPUBLICANS WILL RAISE THE KIND
00:23:41OF MONEY THAT THEY COMPETE
AGAINST THE DEMOCRATS.
00:23:45IN 2012, GOVERNOR ROMNEY AND HIS
SUPPORTERS ACTUALLY SPENT
00:23:50SLIGHTLY MORE THAN PRESIDENT
OBAMA.
00:23:51BOTH WERE FUNDED WELL.
>> DO YOU THINK REPUBLICANS AND
00:24:10KASICH WILL HAVE THAT KIND OF
MONEY?ACT
00:24:15>> THEY DON'T WANT THE OTHER
SIDE TO JUMP OUT AHEAD.
00:24:21IT'S AN ARMS RACE.
A BILLIONAIRE WILL NOT ALLOW MY
00:24:25PARTY TO BE OUTSPENT.
NEXT AND YOU KNOW, A COUPLE
00:24:31BILLION DOLLARS HAVE BEEN SPENT.
>> THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING
00:24:37HERE.
KAREN: AND ONE FINAL NOTE FOR
00:24:38THE WEEK.
DEMOCRATS, AND EVEN SOME
00:24:40LONGTIME REPUBLICANS, ARE
MOURNING A MAN THEY CONSIDER A
00:24:42GIANT OF OHIO POLITICS.
PAUL TIPPS DIED THIS WEEK.
00:24:44TIPPS IS BEST KNOWN IN RECENT
MEMORY FOR STATE STREET
00:24:48CONSULTANTS, ONE OF THE MOST
INFLUENTIAL LOBBYING FIRMS IN
00:24:53OHIO, ALONG WITH HIS CO-FOUNDING
PARTNER, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST
00:25:00NEIL CLARK, WHO'S A FREQUENT
GUEST ON THIS SHOW.
00:25:02THIS VIDEO IS FROM ONE OF THE
LAST APPEARANCES FOR THE PAIR,
00:25:06AT THE COLUMBUS METROPOLITAN
CLUB AFTER THE MAY PRIMARY IN
00:25:112006.
THE TWO HAD A VERY PUBLIC
00:25:13FALLING OUT THAT ENDED UP IN A
COURT BATTLE.
00:25:15TIPPS CHAIRED THE OHIO
DEMOCRATIC PARTY STARTING IN
00:25:171975, AND UNDER HIS TERM, BOTH
U.S. SENATORS WERE DEMOCRATS, AS
00:25:20WAS THE MAJORITY OF THE
CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION, ALONG
00:25:25WITH THE OHIO HOUSE AND SENATE.
AND WHEN HE STEPPED DOWN IN
00:25:281983, EVERY STATEWIDE EXECUTIVE
OFFICE WAS OCCUPIED BY A
00:25:31DEMOCRAT.
TIPPS HAD BEEN IN HOSPICE CARE
00:25:34IN RECENT WEEKS AND DIED,
SURROUNDED BY HIS FAMILY, WHO
00:25:36ISSUED A STATEMENT THAT READS IN
PART, "OUR FATHER'S LOVE
00:25:40INSPIRED US TO BECOME SECURE,
PRODUCTIVE ADULTS, AND HIS
00:25:42LESSONS ON LIFE TAUGHT US TO
EMBRACE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
00:25:45PRINCIPLES OF OPPORTUNITY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL.
00:25:48HE ALWAYS WON BY URGING US TO
DEFER TO OUR BETTER ANGELS.
00:25:51WE MISS HIM ALREADY."
AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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