There are no markers for this video.
00:00:02>> SUPPORT FOR "THE STATE OF
OHIO" COMES FROM --
00:00:04PORTERRICE.COM.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:18ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
131,000 TEACHERS AND FACULTY
00:00:23WORKING FOR GREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS
FOR EVERY CHILD.
00:00:25OHEA.ORG.
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT MADE POSSIBLE
00:00:31BY ETECH OHIO.
>> IT'S THE FINAL DAYS OF
00:00:40CAMPAIGN 2011, BUT THERE'S
ALREADY A LOT OF TALK ABOUT NEXT
00:00:41YEAR'S BALLOT, AND WHETHER A
REPUBLICAN-DRAWN CONGRESSIONAL
00:00:43DISTRICT MAP WILL BE ON IT.
TWO OF OHIO'S BEST KNOWN
00:00:44POLITICIANS TAKE ON ISSUE 3,
THE CONTROVERSIAL HEALTH
00:00:46INSURANCE AMENDMENT NOW BEFORE
VOTERS.
00:00:47AND AN AMENDMENT THAT COULD MAKE
THE BATTLES OVER ISSUE 2 AND
00:00:52ISSUE 3 SEEM LIKE MINOR DUSTUPS
COULD BE HEADED TO THE OHIO
00:00:55BALLOT.
WE'LL HEAR THE ARGUMENTS FOR
00:00:59AND AGAINST "PERSONHOOD"
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:01:03OHIO".
CAPTIONED BY THE
00:01:06NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE
--WWW.NCICAP.ORG--
00:01:07OHIO STILL HAS NO CONGRESSIONAL
MAP, AND THE BATTLE OVER COMING
00:01:10UP WITH ONE GOT INCREASINGLY
NASTY THIS WEEK.
00:01:12HOUSE SPEAKER BILL BATCHELDER
SAYS REPUBLICANS HAVE COME UP
00:01:16WITH A NEW MAP THAT HE SAYS IS
FAIRER TO DEMOCRATS IN HOPES OF
00:01:19GARNERING SUPPORT FROM
DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATORS WHICH
00:01:22WOULD ALLOW LAWMAKERS TO SCRAP
THE CONGRESSIONAL AND
00:01:26PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY IN JUNE
AND MOVE IT BACK TO MARCH.
00:01:28IT'S ESTIMATED THAT JUNE
PRIMARY WILL COST $15 MILLION.
00:01:31BUT A VOTE TO BRING THE MAP TO
THE HOUSE FLOOR THIS WEEK
00:01:37FAILED, PROMPTING THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM HOUSE
00:01:39MAJORITY WHIP MATT HUFFMAN OF
LIMA.
00:01:42>> THE PURPOSE OF 369 WAS TO
UNITE THE PRIMARIES BACK TO THE
00:01:53MARCH DATE AND TO INTRODUCE A
NEW MAP WHICH HAD TAKEN
00:01:59SUGGESTIONS FROM THOSE ALL OVER
THE STATE, INCLUDING THOSE ON
00:02:02THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE,
WHICH IS WHAT THIS NEW MAP
00:02:05REFLECTED.
ALSO TO SAVE $15 MILLION.
00:02:10NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE THAT
FORWARD TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY,
00:02:15BECAUSE OF THE VOTE ON THE
SUSPENSION OF THE ROLES, WE
00:02:20WILL MOVE UP FORWARD WITH THE
COMMITTEE PROCESS HOPEFULLY AT
00:02:24THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK.
>> THAT BROUGHT MINORITY LEADER
00:02:27ARMOND BUDISH TO HIS FEET.
>> WE HAVE TRIED TO TALK TO
00:02:33LEADERSHIP TO TRY AND
COMPROMISE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE
00:02:37HAVE BEEN REFUSED.
LEADERSHIP HAS REFUSED TO TALK
00:02:40DIRECTLY WITH THE DEMOCRATIC
LEADERSHIP.
00:02:42I AM NOT SURE WHY OR WHAT THEY
ARE AFRAID OF, BUT THIS IS THE
00:02:49SAME THAT HAS OCCURRED AT OTHER
TIMES THIS YEAR INCLUDING IN
00:02:53SENATE BILL 5.
INSTEAD, THE REPUBLICANS TRIED
00:02:59TO CUT A SECRET BACK ROOM DEALS
WITH INDIVIDUAL DEMOCRATIC
00:03:03MEMBERS.
[UNINTELLIGIBLE]
00:03:05>> THE GENTLEMAN WILL EITHER
ADDRESS THE RESOLUTION OR WILL
00:03:12SIT DOWN.
>> MR. SPEAKER, I AM ADDRESSING
00:03:17THE RESOLUTION, WHICH IS A
MODIFICATION.
00:03:19I AM GIVING BACKGROUND.
>> AND WHEN BUDISH WAS GAVELED
00:03:21DOWN AS BEING OUT OF ORDER,
LONGTIME DEMOCRATIC REP. BOB
00:03:23HAGAN ROSE FROM HIS SEAT, AND
STOOD UP TO SPEAKER BATCHELDER.
00:03:25>> QUITE FRANKLY, I AM LEFT
WONDERING WHAT THE HELL WE'RE
00:03:36DOING DOWN HERE.
WE LEAD IN THE POVERTY RATE,
00:03:43ALMOST A PERCENT SIGN, AND IN MY
DISTRICT.
00:03:46WE HAVE INTRODUCED LEGISLATION
THAT PUTS NOTHING BACK TO WORK
00:03:53TO COME TO TAKE CARE OF POVERTY
-- DO NOT INTERRUPT ME!
00:03:56THIS IS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION
AND MY RIGHT TO SPEAK.
00:04:01>> BATCHELDER, WHO'S ALSO A
VETERAN LAWMAKER, REMINDED HAGAN
00:04:03THAT HE WAS OUT OF ORDER,
BECAUSE THE RULES OF THE HOUSE
00:04:04PROHIBITED HIM FROM THIS KIND OF
DISCUSSION IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.
00:04:06SO THE ALTERCATION DID END
POLITELY.
00:04:07THE MAP MOVE COMES IN AN EFFORT
TO PREVENT A SECOND PRIMARY IN
00:04:11JUNE, WHICH LAWMAKERS APPROVED
LAST MONTH.
00:04:13THE SECOND PRIMARY WAS ORDERED
BECAUSE THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL
00:04:17MAP THAT WAS APPROVED IS BEING
CHALLENGED BY DEMOCRATS, AND
00:04:21WITH THE FILING DEADLINE FOR A
MARCH CONGRESSIONAL PRIMARY IN
00:04:24DECEMBER, THERE NEEDED TO BE
MORE TIME.
00:04:27OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHAIRMAN
CHRIS REDFERN MADE IT OFFICIAL
00:04:31THIS WEEK THAT DEMOCRATS WOULD
TURN IN THE THOUSANDS OF
00:04:36PETITIONS THE PARTY HAS GATHERED
AND BOXED UP, AND ATTEMPT TO PUT
00:04:38THE MAP ON THE BALLOT NEXT
FALL.
00:04:40DEMOCRATS SAY THE MAP WOULD TIP
THE 16 MEMBER CONGRESSIONAL
00:04:43DELEGATION TOWARD REPUBLICANS
12-4, AND REDFERN CALLS IT
00:04:46"GERRYMANDERING ON STEROIDS".
REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR KEVIN
00:04:51DEWINE HAS ACQUIESCED THAT THE
MAP IS DRAWN TO FAVOR THE GOP,
00:04:55BUT LAWMAKERS SAY THE CURRENT
DISPUTED MAP IS FAIR BECAUSE IT
00:05:01COSTS EACH PARTY ONE SEAT, THAT
THE DISTRICTS ARE EXTREMELY
00:05:06EVENLY DIVIDED, AND THAT THE
INTERESTS OF MINORITY VOTERS
00:05:07ARE PROTECTED.
NOW TO THIS FALL'S BALLOT.
00:05:11WHILE MANY OHIOANS HAVE TAKEN
ADVANTAGE OF EARLY VOTING AND
00:05:16CAST BALLOTS ALREADY, THE FINAL
WEEKEND BEFORE ELECTION DAY
00:05:18PROMISES NO LET UP FOR OPPONENTS
AND SUPPORTERS OF ISSUE 2, THE
00:05:21COLLECTIVE BARGAINING REFORM
LAW.
00:05:22GOV. JOHN KASICH HAS BEEN GOING
AROUND THE STATE FOR THE LAST
00:05:27FEW DAYS TO APPEAR AT PRO-ISSUE
2 RALLIES, WHILE THE VOTE NO
00:05:30SIDE IS CONTINUING ITS AD WAR
ON TV AND RADIO.
00:05:33AND THEN THERE'S ISSUE 3, THE
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT
00:05:38WOULD ALLOW OHIOANS TO "OPT
OUT" OF A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT
00:05:41THAT EVERYONE BUY AND MAINTAIN
HEALTH INSURANCE.
00:05:43OHIO'S ATTORNEY GENERAL AND
OHIO'S SENIOR US SENATOR ARE NO
00:05:48STRANGERS TO PUBLIC
DISAGREEMENT.
00:05:50THERE WERE PLENTY OF
OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE THAT WHEN
00:05:55DEMOCRAT SHERROD BROWN
CHALLENGED INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN
00:05:57SEN. MIKE DEWINE IN 2006 AND
WON.
00:05:59BUT WHILE SEN. BROWN AND AG
DEWINE DON'T TRAVEL IN THE SAME
00:06:04CIRCLES, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF
THEIR POLITICS BUT BECAUSE OF
00:06:08THE OFFICES THEY HOLD, THEY HAVE
BOTH BEEN SPEAKING OUT ON ISSUE
00:06:103.
BROWN WHO WAS A STRONG SUPPORTER
00:06:13OF THE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE
FOR AMERICA ACT THAT PASSED IN
00:06:16MARCH 2010.
HE TALKED ABOUT IT AND ITS
00:06:19OPPONENTS WHILE IN COLUMBUS FOR
AN EVENT AT A LOW-INCOME
00:06:22HOUSING FACILITY IN COLUMBUS
LAST MONTH.
00:06:24>> I WISH I KNEW WHAT THEIR
ALTERNATIVE WAS IT.
00:06:29WHAT THIS REPEAL IS ABOUT IS
THAT MES 23-YEAR-OLD'S ON THEIR
00:06:37PARENTS PLANT ARE NOW ALL OF A
SUDDEN OFF OF IT?
00:06:38THEY'RE SUGGESTING WHEN THEY
TALK ABOUT REPEALING THIS HEALTH
00:06:43CARE BILL THAT WE REINSTATE PRE-
EXISTING CONDITIONS?
00:06:49WE ARE SAYING THE HEALTH-CARE
COMPANIES AGAIN THEY CAN SPEND
00:06:54AS MUCH AS THEY WANT ON
MARKETING AND PROFITS AND NOT
00:06:58PUT IT INTO ACTUAL HEALTH CARE.
THEY ARE SAYING TO SENIORS,
00:07:03SORRY, NO MORE FREE PHYSICALS OR
TESTS FOR OSTEOPOROSIS,
00:07:08DIABETES, PROSTATE CANCER,
BREAST CANCER.
00:07:10THEY ARE TAKING AWAY WHAT
SENIORS WILL BE GETTING WHEN WE
00:07:16HAVE, IN THAT LOT, CUT AND COVER
URGED THE -- COVERED THE DONUT
00:07:24HOLE.
WHEN CONSERVATIVES SAY THEY WANT
00:07:28TO REPEAL OBAMACARE, THAT IS
WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
00:07:32>> MIKE DEWINE RAN FOR ATTORNEY
GENERAL LAST YEAR ON A PLATFORM
00:07:36THAT INCLUDED STRIDENT
OPPOSITION TO THE FEDERAL
00:07:37HEALTH INSURANCE LAW.
>> I THINK THE ALTERNATIVE TO
00:07:44OBAMA HEALTHCARE IS REAL REFORM
DONE ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS THAT
00:07:51IS CONSTITUTIONAL.
NO ONE, I HOPE, THINKS THAT OUR
00:07:57SYSTEM IS PERFECT.
WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:07:59UNINSURED AND WE HAVE PEOPLE
THAT ARE UNINSURABLE.
00:08:03WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW PROVIDE SO
THEY CAN HAVE COVERAGE AND GET
00:08:08THE MEDICAL CARE THAT THEY NEED.
THE ISSUE AND DEBATE IS NOT
00:08:13ABOUT CHANGING WHAT WE HAVE
TODAY.
00:08:15THERE ARE SOME HOLES IN THE
SYSTEM.
00:08:19THE QUESTION IS WHETHER
OBAMACARE IS THE WHITE WAY TO
00:08:23GO.
I THINK IT IS NOT.
00:08:24-- IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE
00:08:29ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF
OHIO, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS
00:08:33JOINED OTHER STATE IN FILING A
LAWSUIT AGAINST THE OBAMA HEALTH
00:08:37CARE LAW.
IT IS NOT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT
00:08:38LIKE THE BILL BUT BECAUSE I
THINK IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
00:08:43IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO COMPEL
EVERY AMERICAN TO BUY A
00:08:48PARTICULAR PRODUCT.
WHERE DOES CONGRESS GET THE
00:08:51AUTHORITY TO DO THAT?
>> ONE ON POINT, BROWN AND
00:08:53DEWINE AGREE THE US SUPREME
COURT WILL TAKE UP THE FEDERAL
00:08:55HEALTH INSURANCE LAW SOON, AND
DEWINE SPECULATES THERE COULD BE
00:08:57A DECISION ON THE LAW BY NEXT
SUMMER.
00:09:00BUT THEY DISAGREE STRONGLY ON
WHY ISSUE 3 IS BEFORE VOTERS,
00:09:05ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW.
BROWN SAYS THE TIMING IS NO
00:09:08ACCIDENT.
>> THE SUPREME COURT WILL LOOK
00:09:14INTO THE ISSUE REGARDLESS.
ISSUE THREE IS A MESSAGE
00:09:18AMENDMENT TO GET THE PARTY
BOATERS OUT TO VOTE, PURE AND
00:09:21SIMPLE.
-- THE TEA PARTY VOTERS OUT.
00:09:26THEY ACKNOWLEDGE PRIVATELY IT
HAS NO REAL IMPACT ON THE HEALTH
00:09:31CARE BILL, WHICH WILL GO TO THE
SUPREME COURT, IN THE NEXT 12
00:09:34MONTHS.
>> DEWINE SAYS CLEARLY THAT
00:09:36ISSUE 3 WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT
ON THE HEALTH CARE BILL.
00:09:37BUT HE SAYS THEIR RATIONALE FOR
GOING TO THE BALLOT IS NOT WHAT
00:09:41BROWN CLAIMS IT IS.
>> "IF YOU TALK AS I HAVE TO
00:09:48THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE WORK, WHO
GOT THIS ON THE BALLOT, THEIR
00:09:58CONCERN WAS THAT THEY FELT OHIO
SHOULD BE ON THE RECORD SAYING
00:10:01THAT.
I WOULD NOT IMPUGN THE MOTIVES
00:10:04OF THESE INDIVIDUALS.
THEIR THOUGHTS, WHETHER YOU
00:10:08AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT, THEY ARE
TRYING TO DO WHAT THEY THINK IS
00:10:11BEST FOR THE COUNTRY.
PROGRESSIVE GROUP INNOVATION
00:10:19OHIO, HAVE SAID THAT ISSUE 3
WOULD UNDO ALL SORTS OF STATE
00:10:21LAWS, INCLUDING RESTRICTIONS ON
ABORTION AND A RECENT CRACKDOWN
00:10:23ON PILL MILLS.
BUT DEWINE SAYS THAT'S A RED
00:10:25HERRING, AND HE SEES NO LINKAGE
THAT THAT AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE
00:10:26SUCH AN IMPACT.
THE IMPACT THAT THE THREE
00:10:32STATEWIDE ISSUES ON THE FALL
BALLOT WILL HAVE NEXT YEAR IS
00:10:33SOMETHING THAT'S GENERATED A
LOT OF DISCUSSION AMONGST
00:10:35POLITICAL JUNKIES AND PUNDITS IN
OHIO -- AND NATIONWIDE.
00:10:37I TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK
WITH THE CHAIRS OF OHIO'S TWO
00:10:41MAIN POLITICAL PARTIES, OHIO
REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR KEVIN
00:10:44DEWINE AND OHIO DEMOCRATIC
PARTY CHAIR CHRIS REDFERN.
00:10:46>> YOU HAVE YOUR NEWS
CONFERENCES ON NOVEMBER 9TH WHEN
00:10:54YOU TELL US WHAT THE RESULTS
MEAN.
00:10:56WHAT YOU THINK THE RESULTS WILL
MEAN ON THE STATEWIDE ISSUES?
00:11:00WILL WANT ISSUE MATTER MORE THAN
OTHERS?
00:11:02OR WILL THIS BE AN ISSUE WHERE
YOU LOOK DOWN THE BATTLE AND SEE
00:11:06THE RESULTS OF THE LOWER RACES
IN PREDICTING WHAT NEXT YEAR
00:11:09WILL LOOK LIKE?
>> I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT
00:11:15I DO NOT THINK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
YOU'RE AFFECTS THE NEXT.
00:11:18YOU HAVE SEEN THIS IN THE CREDIT
PIAT POLL.
00:11:20-- QUINNIPIAC POLE.
THEY SHOW ISSUED TWO IS
00:11:28STRUGGLING AND THAT THE
PRESIDENT IS UPSIDE DOWN IN
00:11:31OHIO.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN
00:11:35NUMBERS THAT WILL BE ON THE
HOUSE AND SENATE FOR NEXT YEAR?
00:11:37>> LOOK.
I DO NOT THINK THAT A BALLOT
00:11:42ISSUE IN 2011 WILL HAVE A LARGE
POLITICAL ISSUE IN NOVEMBER
00:11:472012.
WHAT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT IN
00:11:51NOVEMBER 2000 CALL OUR JOBS AND
THE ECONOMY.
00:11:52THAT IS WHAT IT WILL BE ALL
ABOUT.
00:11:55THEY WILL NOT REMEMBER HOUSE
BILL 194.
00:11:57THEY WILL NOT PAY ATTENTION TO
THAT STUFF.
00:12:03IT WILL ALL BE JOBS AND THE
ECONOMY.
00:12:05>> OR SO WE HOPE.
IF YOU ASK ANY POLICE OFFICER,
00:12:10REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, HOW THEY
FEEL ABOUT THIS ISSUE OR HOW
00:12:13THEY HAVE BEEN TREATED, I DID
NOT FIND MANY THAT WILL VOTE FOR
00:12:17REPUBLICANS NEXT YEAR.
THIS ISSUE WILL HAVE A LASTING
00:12:20IMPACT ON THE SO-CALLED SWING
VOTERS AND REAGAN DEMOCRATS WHO
00:12:23LEFT THE PARTY BUT HAVE NOW
FOUND A PARTY WITH THE
00:12:27DEMOCRATIC PARTY BECAUSE OF OUR
SUPPORT OF THE MIDDLE CLASS AND
00:12:30COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS.
KEVIN AND I DISAGREE ALL THE
00:12:33TIME.
BUT WE DO NOT INSULT THE TO THE.
00:12:37I ADMIRE AND RESPECT THE JOB
KEVIN DOES, AND I HOPE HE SAYS
00:12:40THE SAME OF ME.
WHEN YOU HAVE A SITTING GOVERNOR
00:12:43THAT DIMINISHES THE ABILITY OF
POLICE OFFICERS WHEN HE INSULTS
00:12:47THOSE WHO ARE MEMBERS OF
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNITS AND
00:12:49SAYS HE WILL BREAK THEIR BACKS,
HE PERSONALIZES THE ISSUE.
00:12:54>> THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON JOHN
KASICK AND THOSE WHO ALLOWED HIM
00:13:01TO PASS A BILL FIVE.
THERE ARE A FEW MODERATES LEFT
00:13:04WHO WILL BE PAYING CLOSE
ATTENTION TO THE DISTRICT ON
00:13:07ELECTION NIGHT AND REMOVING
THEMSELVES FROM THE RIGHT WING
00:13:11AGENDA IN THE MONTHS TO COME.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, SOMETIMES
00:13:15IT IS ABOUT SEATS AND NOT
SERVICE.
00:13:16>> I THINK 2012 IS A REFERENDUM
ON BARACK OBAMA AND HIS FAILED
00:13:21POLICIES.
>> WE WILL HAVE MORE ON THE
00:13:26ELECTION ROUND UP NEXT WEEK.
AN AMENDMENT THAT'S NOT ON THE
00:13:28BALLOT IN OHIO THIS YEAR WILL BE
IN ANOTHER STATE.
00:13:29AND IT'S SO FAR REACHING THAT
IT GOES EVEN BEYOND THE SO-
00:13:33CALLED HEARTBEAT BILL, WHICH
SOME HAVE CALLED THE MOST
00:13:35EXTREME ABORTION BAN IN THE
COUNTRY.
00:13:36IT'S A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO
THE OHIO CONSTITUTION THAT
00:13:41WOULD DEFINE THE WORDS "PERSON"
AND "MEN" TO APPLY TO EVERY
00:13:44HUMAN BEING AT EVERY STAGE OF
THE BIOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT OF
00:13:48THAT HUMAN BEING OR HUMAN
ORGANISM, INCLUDING
00:13:52FERTILIZATION" IRRESPECTIVE OF
ONE'S AGE, RACE, GENDER, OR
00:13:57DISABILITY."
PATRICK JOHNSTON IS A FAMILY
00:14:02PHYSICIAN IN ZANESVILLE AND IS
THE DIRECTOR OF PERSONHOOD
00:14:04OHIO.
HE SAYS THE PERSONHOOD
00:14:07AMENDMENT WOULD, IN HIS WORDS,
ACKNOWLEDGE THE RIGHT TO LIFE
00:14:08WHEN LIFE BEGINS.
>> WHEN DOES LIFE BEGIN?
00:14:17IT IS A SCIENTIFIC QUESTION AND
THERE IS A PRETTY STRONG ANSWER.
00:14:20LIFE BEGINS AT FERTILIZATION.
NOTHING AFTER THAT MAKES YOU
00:14:26MORE ALIVE OR MORE HUMAN.
AND DOES NOT AFFECT THIS AND THE
00:14:32PERSONHOOD AMENDMENT DISCUSSES
THIS.
00:14:40IT WOULD NOT EFFECT GENUINE
CONCEPTION.
00:14:44>> WHILE JOHNSON SAYS IT DOESN'T
AFFECT WHAT HE CALLS GENUINE
00:14:48CONTRACEPTION, WHICH HE DEFINES
AS METHODS THAT KEEP EGGS FROM
00:14:49BEING FERTILIZED, HE'S A BIT
CAGEY WHEN ASKED HOW IT WOULD
00:14:53AFFECT CERTAIN COMMONLY USED
METHODS OF BIRTH CONTROL.
00:14:55>> IS THE RADICAL.
IT WAS THEORETICAL THAT THE
00:15:03MORNING AFTER PILL AND THE IUD
WOULD PREVENT IMPLANTATION.
00:15:10IT HAPPENS SIX DAYS BEFORE
IMPLANTATION.
00:15:12BUT THE POINT, YOU HAVE A
DISTINCT HUMAN EMBRYO.
00:15:18WE ARE ALL JUST EMBRYOS A GROWN-
UP.
00:15:20THEORETICALLY, MAYBE THESE WOULD
PREVENT IMPLANTATION, BUT THERE
00:15:27IS NO SCIENTIFIC DATA TO PROVE
A THAT THE PREVENTION HAPPENS
00:15:32WITH ORAL CONTRACEPTION, THE
MORNING AFTER PILL, OR WITH THE
00:15:36IUD.
SHE GOT PREGNANT ON IT.
00:15:41SHE MISSED A FEW PERIODS AND THE
BABY IS JUST FINE.
00:15:44IT IS ONLY NEEDING JUST A SMALL
POTION OF THE ENDOMETRIUM.
00:15:53>> BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY
OPPONENTS SEE IT.
00:15:55SANDY THEIS SPEAKS FOR HEALTHY
FAMILIES OHIO, A GROUP THAT'S
00:15:57BEEN FORMED TO BATTLE
PERSONHOOD'S ATTEMPT TO BRING
00:15:59THE AMENDMENT TO THE BALLOT.
>> THIS IS AN EFFORT TO OVERTURN
00:16:06ROE V. WADE.
ROE SAID THEY HAVE THE POWER TO
00:16:11RESTRICT ABORTIONS AFTER
VIABILITY.
00:16:14IT IS FERTILIZED EGG NEEDS FROM,
AND IN THE PROCESS OF THAT IT
00:16:19WOULD OUTLAW CERTAIN TYPES OF
BIRTH CONTROL, LIKE THE IUD, AND
00:16:26HAVE NO EXCEPTIONS FOR WOMEN'S
HEALTH.
00:16:28IF I DOCTOR SAVES BY AN
EMERGENCY ABORTION, THE DOCTOR
00:16:36IN THE BOMBING ARE BOTH GOING TO
GO TO PRISON?
00:16:38THIS TAKES IT SO FAR-- THE
DOCTOR AND TEH WOMAN WILL BOTH
00:16:43GO TO PRISON?
>> AND THEIS SAYS THIS WIDE-
00:16:47REACHING AMENDMENT ISN'T
SOMETHING THAT SHE WOULD THINK
00:16:48TRUE CONSERVATIVES WOULD
SUPPORT.
00:16:49>> FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT
GOVERNMENT OUT OF THEIR LIVES,
00:16:55THIS IS A PRETTY INVEIGHS OF
INTRUSION.
00:16:57A DECISION SHOULD BE MADE BY A
WOMAN, HER FAMILY, HER DOCTOR,
00:17:02AND HER FAITH LEADER.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE MADE BY A
00:17:04BUNCH OF GUYS IN OHIO.
SOME OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS
00:17:10CAN BE KIND OF SILLY.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF I AM CARRYING
00:17:15TRIPLETS, DO I GET TO RIDE IN
THE HIGH OCCUPANCY VEHICLE LANE
00:17:18IT?
IS MY FERTILIZED EGG ELIGIBLE
00:17:21FOR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE?
THE UNABOMBER HAVE A BIRTH DATE
00:17:26INSTEAD OF A FERTILIZATION DATE?
-- DOES THE EGG NO LONGER HAVE A
00:17:34BIRTH DATE?
>> BUT THEIS ALSO CAUTIONS THERE
00:17:39COULD BE SOME VERY SERIOUS
CONSEQUENCES.
00:17:40DOCTORS COULD BE PROSECUTED, AND
SHE SUGGESTS THAT WOMEN WHO
00:17:42MISCARRY COULD EVEN BE
INVESTIGATED.
00:17:43JOHNSTON SAYS THE PERSONHOOD
AMENDMENT WOULD HELP OHIO
00:17:48DEFEAT WHAT HE CALLS THE
"JUDICIAL TYRANNY" OF HOLDING
00:17:50THE NATION TO THE DECISION IN
ROE V. WADE THAT LEGALIZED
00:17:53ABORTION IN 1973, EVEN IF IT'S
CHALLENGED IN COURT.
00:17:55>> YOU MENTION LITIGATION AS UP
LITIGATION COULD UNDO THIS.
00:18:06THIS IS A NATURAL LAW THAT WE
ABANDONED WHAT MEMBER THAT WE
00:18:10NEED TO HAVE RESTORED.
WE ARE LIVING IN A STATE THAT
00:18:15ALLOWS THE EXTERMINATION OF
25,000 OHIOAN IS A YEAR.
00:18:18IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY
HAVE PREVENTED OHIO FROM
00:18:24PROTECTING THEIR CHILDREN.
AND WELCOME WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED
00:18:27TO RESPECT GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY
ALLOW THE KILLING OF AN ENTIRE
00:18:32CLASS OF HUMAN BEINGS.
OHIO IN THE COLONIAL ERA, YOU
00:18:39KNOW, WHEN THEY DECLARED DREAD
SCOTT PROPER AND SHOULD BE
00:18:48RETURNED, IT WAS OHIOANS WHO
DEFIED THAT AND PROTECTED AND
00:18:54HID RUNAWAY SLAVES AND TOOK
THEM TO CANADA.
00:19:01THEY HID SLAVES FROM MARSHALLS
TO PRETOTECT THEM.
00:19:09>> BUT THEIS SAYS ANY
COMPARISONS BETWEEN THIS
00:19:12AMENDMENT AND THE ABOLITIONIST
MOVEMENT ARE UNFAIR.
00:19:13>> THIS IS AN EFFORT TO OVERTURN
ROE V WADE IN THE ANTISLAVERY
00:19:20MOVEMENT WAS ABOUT PERSONAL
FREEDOM.
00:19:22THIS IS ABOUT PERSONAL FREEDOM,
TOO.
00:19:24WE CAN DEFINE A LOT OF DIFFERENT
WAYS, BUT THE LAST THING WE NEED
00:19:29IS FOR AN EXTREME GROUP OF
PEOPLE TO COME IN AND TELL WOMEN
00:19:34AND DOCTORS WHAT THEY CAN DO
WITH THEIR BODIES.
00:19:37IT IS FRIGHTENING.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT
00:19:39REALLY BLOWS ME AWAY IS THAT
OHIO HAS A REALLY VERY
00:19:46IMPORTANT BY MEDICAL COMPONENT
WHERE THE MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL
00:19:50COMPLEX IS CREATING JOBS.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE FINEST
00:19:53HOSPITALS AND RESEARCH
FACILITIES IN THE WORLD.
00:19:55WHAT DO THESE GUYS WANT TO DO?
TIE THEM UP IN LITIGATION AND
00:20:00SET THEM BACK ECONOMICALLY.
THEY NEED TO BUTT OUT AND LET
00:20:04THEM DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS.
>> AND THEIS SAYS THERE'S A
00:20:06REASON PERSONHOOD IS PUTTING ITS
IDEALS INTO A CONSTITUTIONAL
00:20:08AMENDMENT, AND NOT FOCUSING ON
AN ABORTION STATUTE.
00:20:09>> THE CONSTITUTION TRUMPS STATE
LAW.
00:20:16IF WE SAY THIS IS A PERSON,
OKAY.
00:20:21THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF BIRTH
CONTROL TO PREVENT A FERTILIZED
00:20:24EGG FROM IMPLANTING.
BASED ON THEIR DEFINITION, IT
00:20:29SOUNDS LIKE THEY COULD BAN
CERTAIN TYPES OF BIRTH CONTROL.
00:20:32WHY ARE THERE NO EXCEPTIONS FOR
WOMEN'S HEALTH?
00:20:35THIS IS THE ONE IN THE MOST
DANGEROUS, EXTREME THINGS I HAVE
00:20:38EVER SEEN.
>>BUT JOHNSTON'S SIDE MAY HAVE A
00:20:40PROBLEM WITHIN THE PRO-LIFE
COMMUNITY.
00:20:42THERE ARE ALREADY DEBATES OVER
WHETHER THE HEARTBEAT BILL IS A
00:20:44GOOD IDEA.
SOME ADVOCATES SUPPORT IT, WHILE
00:20:45OTHERS SAY IT'S CLEARLY
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
00:20:46AND THE PERSONHOOD AMENDMENT
GOES FURTHER THAN THAT.
00:20:49BUT JOHNSTON SAYS THOSE WHO
OPPOSE ABORTION ALL AGREE WITH
00:20:55THE PERSONHOOD AMENDMENT'S
GOAL, AND HE THINKS THEY'LL VOTE
00:20:57FOR IT.
>> THEY MAY DISAGREE WITH THAT
00:21:04THE STRATEGY BECAUSE OF THE
PHILOSOPHY OF OF SUBMITTING TO
00:21:08JUDICIAL TYRANNY, PRAGMATISM,
STRATEGY.
00:21:10IF YOU LOSE THE PERSON HAD
BATTLE, YOU LOSE PEOPLE IN THESE
00:21:15VICTORIES.
IF THEY CAN COME TO THE POLLS
00:21:20AND SEE WHAT WE DID?
OUR VICTORY MAY BE TRYING UP FOR
00:21:23SEVERAL YEARS.
WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP, BUT
00:21:27BECAUSE WE BELIEVE GOD WILL
BLESS OUR OBEDIENCE AND WE WILL
00:21:30HAVE THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ON
HIGH.
00:21:32THERE WEILL BE MANY DEFEATS.
THAT IS NOT A GOOD FUND-RAISING
00:21:40STRATEGY, I CONFESS, BUT IT HAS
THE BLESSING OF GOD AS A
00:21:43PROTECTOR OF CHILDREN.
>> AND THERE'S A TOUCHY ISSUE
00:21:45HERE, TOO.
STATISTICS SHOW MOST WOMEN WHO
00:21:47SEEK ABORTIONS DO SO BECAUSE
THEY ARE FINANCIALLY
00:21:48DISADVANTAGED, AND MANY ALREADY
HAVE AT LEAST ONE CHILD THEY'RE
00:21:50CARING FOR.
I ASKED JOHNSTON ABOUT THE
00:21:54POSSIBILITY THAT IF THE
AMENDMENT MADE IT TO THE BALLOT
00:21:57AND WERE APPROVED, THAT IT
WOULD NOT BE REVENUE NEUTRAL FOR
00:22:00THE STATE.
>> THERE WOULD BE A FINANCIAL
00:22:06IMPACT IF, INDEED, AS YOU SAY
ALL OF THESE ABORTIONS WERE
00:22:10PREVENTED FROM A THESE ARE
PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE IN THE
00:22:14SYSTEM, CHILDREN IN THE PUBLIC-
SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND THERE WOULD
00:22:17BE A FINANCIAL COST.
>> A POSITIVE FINANCIAL COST,
00:22:21WHY WE ARE SEEING THIS IN SOCIAL
SECURITY AND MEDICAID.
00:22:29WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE.
THIS HAPPENS THE CULTURES THAT
00:22:38STOP HAVING CHILDREN OR ABORT
THEIR CHILDREN.
00:22:40SOME CITIES ARE BECOMING MUSLIM.
THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE
00:22:49SO FEW CHILDREN THAT IN ORDER TO
SUSTAIN THEIR OLD AGE BENEFITS,
00:22:53THEY NEED TO HAVE A RELIANCE
UPON IMMIGRATION.
00:22:57WHO IS EMIGRATING TO SPAIN AND
FRANCE?
00:22:58MUSLIMS.
THE FREEDOM OF OUR CHILDREN MAY
00:23:04BE AT STAKE, WHETHER WE PROTECT
THE RIGHT TO LIFE.
00:23:07IT WILL BE A POSITIVE FINANCIAL
BENEFIT BECAUSE THOSE CHILDREN
00:23:09WILL BE WORKERS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WELL-
00:23:13KNOWN GREW UP WITH A SINGLE
MOTHERS AND WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL
00:23:17LATER IN LIFE.
IT IS NO OBLIGATION TO THE
00:23:19STATE, BUT IT IS THE OBLIGATION
OF OHIOANS TO PROTECT AND LOVE
00:23:26OUR NEIGHBOR TO HELP OTHERS IN
CRISIS.
00:23:28I THINK WE CAN DO IT.
>> SANDY THEIS SAYS WHILE
00:23:31PERSONHOOD'S AMENDMENT IS
EXTREME, SHE BELIEVES THE GROUP
00:23:32AND ITS BACKERS ARE A REAL
THREAT.
00:23:33>> THIS IS A REALLY SERIOUS
ASSAULT ON OUR CONSTITUTION AND
00:23:41ON WOMEN'S HEALTH.
I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I
00:23:44AM TIRED OF PEOPLE TRYING TO USE
THE STATE'S CONSTITUTION TO
00:23:48PROMOTE A POLITICAL AGENDA.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER SWING STATES
00:23:51TRY TO GET THIS ON THE
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
00:23:54FLORIDA IS ANOTHER ONE.
MICHIGAN, OHIO.
00:23:57BUT THEY WILL NOT GIVE UP, AND
NEITHER WILL WE BECAUSE THIS IS
00:24:01SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT AND WE ARE GETTING
00:24:05READY TO FIGHT IT.
WE HAVE AN INTERESTING COALITION
00:24:08OF PEOPLE, MEDICAL
PROFESSIONALS, CHILD ADVOCATES,
00:24:12WOMEN'S HEALTH ADVOCATES, WE
HAVE A GOOD CHANCE.
00:24:14>> RIGHT NOW, PERSONHOOD OHIO'S
WEBSITE SAYS IT'S SUSPENDED ITS
00:24:17PETITION DRIVE WHILE IT APPEALS
TO THE OHIO SUPREME COURT THE
00:24:19DECISION OF ATTORNEY GENERAL
MIKE DEWINE.
00:24:20THE AG NOTIFIED THE GROUP LAST
WEEK THAT HE WOULD NOT CERTIFY
00:24:25THE SUMMARY THEY WERE USING TO
EXPLAIN THE PROPOSAL WHEN
00:24:27CIRCULATING PETITIONS.
HEALTHY FAMILIES OHIO APPLAUDED
00:24:33THE DECISION, BUT JOHNSTON SAID
IN A STATEMENT OF THE DECISION
00:24:37BY DEWINE --
"AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO
00:24:39BOASTS IMPECCABLE PRO-LIFE
CREDENTIALS, SURELY MR. DEWINE
00:24:41AGREES WITH THE SCIENCE OF
EMBRYOLOGY. IF THE CRITERION
00:24:45IS THAT THE STATEMENTS ARE TO BE
'FAIR AND TRUTHFUL,' THEY MOST
00:24:48CERTAINLY ARE."
A PERSONHOOD AMENDMENT IS ON
00:24:53NEXT WEEK'S BALLOT IN
MISSISSIPPI.
00:24:54BOTH THE REPUBLICAN AND
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES SUPPORT
00:24:58IT, AND POLLS SUGGEST IT WILL
PASS. BUT CRITICS NOTE THAT
00:25:02MISSISSIPPI HAS THE HIGHEST
POVERTY RATE AND THE HIGHEST
00:25:04TEEN BIRTH RATES IN THE NATION.
AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
00:25:05FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT OHIO
PUBLIC RADIO AND TELEVISION,
00:25:10THANKS FOR WATCHING.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS,
00:25:15MAKE COMMENTS, OR WATCH THIS
WEEK'S SHOW OR EARLIER EPISODES,
00:25:18PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT
STATENEWS.ORG.
00:25:20YOU CAN ALSO CHECK US OUT ON
FACEBOOK.
00:25:23AND PLEASE JOIN US AGAIN NEXT
TIME FOR "THE STATE OF OHIO".
00:25:31<NO VIDEO><VIDEO OK><NO VIDEO><;
00:26:10>> >> SUPPORT COMES FROM --
HELPING BUSINESSES AND
00:26:18INDIVIDUALS SOLVE COMPLEX LEGAL
PROBLEMS AROUND THE WORLD.
00:26:20AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION REPRESENTING 131,000
00:26:28TEACHERS, SUPPORT PROFESSIONALS,
AND FACULTY WORKING FOR GREAT
00:26:33PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR EVERY CHILD.
OHEA.ORG.
00:26:36ADDITIONAL SUPPORT MADE POSSIBLE
BY --
00:26:40>> WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN
OFF-YEAR ELECTION TURNED INTO A
00:26:53BUSY AND SOMETIMES BRUTAL
CAMPAIGN SEASON, WITH THREE
00:26:54STATEWIDE ISSUES ON THE BALLOT
AND ONE OF THEM PERHAPS THE
00:26:55MOST CONTENTIOUS IN RECENT
HISTORY.
00:26:57WE'LL BREAK DOWN THE RESULTS
FROM ELECTION NIGHT 2011 AND
00:27:02LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR AND
UPDATE THE CONTINUING SAGA ON
00:27:05OHIO'S DISPUTED CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT MAP.
00:27:06NEXT TIME ON "THE STATE OF
OHIO".
Note : Transcripts are compiled from uncorrected captions