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00:00:39>> THERE WILL SOON BE JUST 16
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS FROM OHIO,
00:00:45WITH THE MAP OF THEIR DISTRICT
BOUNDARIES GETTING REPUBLICAN
00:00:48APPROVAL AND DEMOCRATIC FURY.
PRESIDENT OBAMA HITS THE ROAD
00:00:55TO PROMOTE HIS JOBS BILL --
WITH OHIO AS ONE OF HIS FIRST
00:00:56STOPS.
THE STATE'S NEW COLLECTIVE
00:00:57BARGAINING LAW IS ON HOLD WHILE
VOTERS DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT
00:01:00TO KEEP IT OR REJECT IT -- AND
THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICTING
00:01:03INFORMATION OUT ABOUT WHAT IT
WILL AND WON'T DO.
00:01:05TWO KEY SENATORS ARE HERE FOR A
FIERY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BILL
00:01:10THAT CREATED ISSUE 2 -- SENATE
BILL 5.
00:01:12ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO".
00:01:14OHIO IS ONE STEP CLOSER TO
HAVING TWO FEWER MEMBERS OF
00:01:22CONGRESS, NOW THAT A MAP WITH
NEW CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS HAS
00:01:28BEEN APPROVED BY THE HOUSE.
REPUBLICANS WHO DOMINATE THE
00:01:32HOUSE REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE
INTRODUCED THEIR MAP AFTER TWO
00:01:34HEARINGS, WHICH INFURIATED
DEMOCRATS AND VOTING ADVOCATES
00:01:37WHO SAID THAT WASN'T ENOUGH TIME
TO FULLY EVALUATE IT.
00:01:38THE COMMITTEE APPROVED THE MAP
ON WEDNESDAY AND IT WAS OKAYED
00:01:44BY THE FULL HOUSE THE NEXT DAY.
6 REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST IT.
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THREE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTED IT.
00:02:04ALL OF CLEVELAND BECAUSE THE MAP
PRESERVED THE MAJORITY-MINORITY
00:02:11DISTRICTS IN CLEVELAND.
DEMOCRATS TRIED TO SLOW
00:02:15UNPROCESSED BY PULLING BACK THE
DEAL WITH REPUBLICANS TO GO
00:02:17ALONG WITH A CHANGE THE DATE OF
THE PRESIDENT OF PRIMARY NEXT
00:02:21YEAR FROM MARCH TO MAY.
THAT HAD TO BE APPROVED NOW, TO
00:02:23GIVE CANDIDATES TIME TO FILE FOR
THE NEW DISTRICTS.
00:02:24REPUBLICANS WORKED AROUND THE
DEMOCRATS AND PASSED THE PRIMARY
00:02:28DATE CHANGE, AND WILL ALLOW
CANDIDATES SOME LENIENCY IF
00:02:30THEY RUN INTO TROUBLE WITH
FILING DEADLINES.
00:02:32THE NEW MAP TAKES OHIO'S
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS FROM 18
00:02:37TO 16, REFLECTING THE LOSS OF
POPULATION IN THE LAST CENSUS.
00:02:38THE MAP FORCES SIX INCUMBENTS
TO VIE FOR THREE SEATS.
00:02:44ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE,
REPUBLICANS MICHAEL TURNER OF
00:02:51DAYTON AND STEVE AUSTRIA OF
SPRINGFIELD SAW THEIR WESTERN
00:02:53OHIO DISTRICTS MERGED.
AND IN NORTHERN OHIO, THE MAP
00:02:56CREATES A DISTRICT THAT
STRETCHES ALONGSIDE LAKE ERIE
00:02:59FROM CLEVELAND TO TOLEDO, AND
SETS UP A PRIMARY FIGHT BETWEEN
00:03:02LONGTIME DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS
DENNIS KUCINICH OF CLEVELAND
00:03:03AND MARCY KAPTUR OF TOLEDO.
AND DEMOCRAT BETTY SUTTON OF
00:03:09AKRON WOULD HAVE TO BATTLE
FRESHMAN REPUBLICAN JIM RENACCI
00:03:12OF CANTON TO GET THE SEAT THAT
WILL REPRESENT THEIR COMBINED
00:03:14DISTRICT.
DEMOCRATS HAVE BLASTED THE MAP
00:03:20AS EXTREME GERRYMANDERING, AND
PARTY CHAIRMAN CHRIS REDFERN
00:03:22SAYS HE'S CONSIDERING LAUNCHING
A BALLOT CHALLENGE OF THE MAP,
00:03:26SHOULD IT CLEAR THE SENATE.
DEMOCRATS NOTE THAT A
00:03:29CONGRESSIONAL MAP WAS
OVERTURNED BY VOTERS IN 1915.
00:03:31BUT A REFERENDUM THAT BLOCKS
THIS NEW MAP COULD CREATE CHAOS
00:03:35NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE OHIO WILL
ONLY HAVE 16 MEMBERS OF
00:03:38CONGRESS BUT NO MAP TO INDICATE
DISTRICT BOUNDARIES.
00:03:42A FEW DAYS AFTER A SPEECH TO A
JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS,
00:03:47PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA BROUGHT
HIS SALES PITCH ON HIS JOBS BILL
00:03:50TO OHIO.
OBAMA APPEARED AT A COLUMBUS
00:03:53HIGH SCHOOL AND CALLED ON
CONGRESS TO PASS HIS BILL
00:03:57IMMEDIATELY.
HE CHOSE FORT HAYES ARTS AND
00:04:00ACADEMIC HIGH SCHOOL AS A WAY
TO HIGHLIGHT ONE ELEMENT OF THE
00:04:03JOBS PLAN THAT WOULD DEVOTE $25
BILLION OF NEW SPENDING TO
00:04:08SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION AND
MODERNIZATION.
00:04:09BUT REPUBLICANS INCLUDING OHIO
GOP CHAIRMAN KEVIN DEWINE CALL
00:04:13IT A REPEAT OF FAILED BIG
GOVERNMENT SPENDING.
00:04:14OBAMA WILL BE BACK IN OHIO NEXT
WEEK -- IN CINCINNATI, THE
00:04:18HOMETOWN OF HOUSE SPEAKER JOHN
BOEHNER.
00:04:19THERE ARE LESS THAN TWO MONTHS
TILL ELECTION DAY, AND PERHAPS
00:04:26JUST A LITTLE OVER TWO WEEKS
UNTIL EARLY VOTING BEGINS IN
00:04:28OCTOBER.
WE WON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO
00:04:31THAT TILL AFTER SEPTEMBER 29,
WHEN THE GROUP THAT'S OPPOSED TO
00:04:33THE RECENT ELECTION REFORM
PACKAGE THAT SHORTENED THE EARLY
00:04:37VOTING WINDOW IS EXPECTED TO
FILE PETITION SIGNATURES TO
00:04:40BLOCK THE NEW LAW.
IF THEY DON'T, EARLY VOTING
00:04:45WOULD BEGIN ON OCTOBER 28.
BUT WHAT IS CERTAIN IS THAT
00:04:49WE'RE IN THE HEAT OF THE
CAMPAIGN SURROUNDING ISSUE 2,
00:04:52WHICH IF IT PASSES WOULD PUT
INTO EFFECT SENATE BILL 5, THE
00:04:55COLLECTIVE BARGAINING REFORM
LAW SIGNED IN MARCH THAT WOULD
00:04:58AFFECT ALL UNIONIZED PUBLIC
EMPLOYEES IN OHIO, INCLUDING
00:05:03TEACHERS AND OTHER SCHOOL
EMPLOYEES, PRISON GUARDS,
00:05:05NURSES AND OTHER GOVERNMENT
WORKERS, INCLUDING POLICE AND
00:05:09FIREFIGHTERS.
OPPONENTS RELEASED THEIR SECOND
00:05:12TV AD THIS WEEK, AFTER THE
PROPONENTS PUT OUT THEIR FIRST
00:05:15AD, STARRING MIKE BELL, A
FORMER FIREFIGHTER WHO'S NOW THE
00:05:18MAYOR OF TOLEDO.
HE SAYS IN THE AD THAT ISSUE 2,
00:05:23OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SENATE BILL
5, GIVES CITY LEADERS THE TOOLS
00:05:27THEY NEED TO KEEP THEIR BUDGETS
IN CHECK.
00:05:28THAT AD COUNTERED THE FIRST AD
FROM ANTI-ISSUE 2 SIDE, SHOWING
00:05:31A FIREFIGHTER WHO SAYS SAFETY
WILL BE COMPROMISED BECAUSE
00:05:35FIREFIGHTERS MAKES IT ILLEGAL
FOR THEM TO NEGOTIATE FOR THE
00:05:38NUMBER OF PERSONNEL ON THE JOB.
THE FACTS BEHIND THESE ADS AND
00:05:45THE ONES TO COME WILL BE HOTLY
DEBATED.
00:05:46AND WHILE THE BALLOT BOARD HAS
APPROVED ARGUMENTS FOR AND
00:05:52AGAINST THE ISSUE, THEY WILL BE
PUBLISHED WITH A DISCLAIMER
00:05:54THAN INDICATES THAT THE ARGUMENT
HAVE NOT BEEN VETTED BY THE
00:05:58BALLOT BOARD OR ANYONE WITH THE
STATE.
00:05:59BOTH SIDES HAVE A LOT OF MONEY
AND A LOT OF SUPPORTERS, SO
00:06:04THIS IS LIKELY TO BE THE START
OF A BARRAGE OF ADS, FLYERS,
00:06:07PHONE CALLS AND CAMPAIGN TACTICS
AS WE COME CLOSER TO THE VOTE.
00:06:11HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE BILL
THAT SPARKED WHAT IS FAST
00:06:16BECOMING A BITTER BALLOT BATTLE
ARE TWO KEY STATE SENATORS --
00:06:18KEITH FABER, A REPUBLICAN OF
CELINA AND THE PRESIDENT PRO-TEM
00:06:23OF THE SENATE, AND JOE
SCHIAVONI, A DEMOCRAT OF
00:06:26YOUNGSTOWN.
I WILL START WITH YOU SENATOR
00:06:31FABER, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN
AGREE WITH THE OTHER SIDE THAT
00:06:37SHOULD NOT BE IN SENATE BILL 5.
SPEAKER BATCHELDER SAYING MAYBE
00:06:41THE POLICE AND FIREFIGHTER
INCLUSION MIGHT HAVE BEEN DONE
00:06:43DIFFERENTLY.
AND THE THING YOU CAN SAY THAT
00:06:46SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE?
>> I WOULD WELCOME SUGGESTIONS
00:06:50AND AMENDMENTS FROM JOE AND HIS
COLLEAGUES AS THEY WENT FORWARD
00:06:53-- THIS ONE FORD BUT THEY DID
NOT OFFER ANY.
00:06:56IT IS BUILT TOUGH TO SAY WHAT
SHOULD HAVE OR SHOULD HAVE NOT
00:06:59BEEN IN THE BILL WHEN THE OTHER
SIDE DID NOT COME TO THE TABLE
00:07:02AND NEGOTIATE AND FRANKLY,
DESPITE MY REPEATED QUESTIONING
00:07:05OF WITNESSES ASKING WHAT THINGS
ABOUT THE CURRENT LAW THE LIGHT,
00:07:09WE DON'T LIKE, WHAT ABOUT -- THE
THINGS ABOUT SOME OF 05, WHAT WE
00:07:13KEPT HEARING WAS KILLED THE
BILL.
00:07:15THAT WAS DESPITE THE OTHER SIDE
SAYING THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT
00:07:20THE COMMON LAW WE OUGHT TO
CHANGE.
00:07:21FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, ARE THERE
THINGS WE COULD HAVE NEGOTIATED
00:07:25ON -- QUITE FRANKLY COULD HAVE
NEGOTIATED ON BEFORE GOING TO
00:07:28THE BALLOT AND STILL COULD TALK
ABOUT AND THE FUTURE.
00:07:31ABSOLUTELY.
BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WE
00:07:33ARE WHERE WE ARE, AND FRANKLY
SENATE BILL 5 REALLY IS
00:07:37IMPORTANT TO HELP BALANCE AND
GIVE THE TAXPAYERS A SEAT OF
00:07:40THE TABLE.
>> THE TOSHIYA OF OLNEY, LET ME
00:07:43ASK YOU, ANYTHING YOU CAN
SUPPORT ABOUT SENATE BILL 5 --
00:07:47JOE SCHIAVONI.
>> WE GOT ALONG IN THE COMMITTEE
00:07:53BUT FOR HIM TO SAY WE WILL
WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
00:07:55PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT
DISINGENUOUS BECAUSE THEY
00:08:00ALREADY HAD THE BILL SET UP.
AND WHEN THEY HANDED ME THE BILL
00:08:04IT WAS THIS BIG AND ASKED IF WE
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
00:08:07AND THEY SAID, GET SOME
AMENDMENTS INTO THE BILL.
00:08:10WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO
GO THROUGH IT.
00:08:12WHEN WE FINALLY DID, IT TOOK
AWAY ALL COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
00:08:16FROM PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.
SO HOW'D YOU AMEND THE BILL?
00:08:19IF YOU WANT THE DISCUSSION, THEN
HAVE THE INTERESTED PARTIES,
00:08:24FORWARD AND HAVE THEM WORK FROM
THE BEGINNING.
00:08:26HAVE MADE -- LABOR, MANAGEMENT,
DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, CRAFT A
00:08:30BILL AND THEN HAVE A HEARING
RATHER THAN PUTTING THE OF THE
00:08:33BILL AND PUTTING IT ON THE TABLE
AND ASKING IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
00:08:39>> I DID NOT WANT TO ALLOW
REVISIONIST HISTORY TO OCCUR.
00:08:41WE HAVE MORE HEARINGS AND
TESTIMONY AND TIME ON SENATE
00:08:45BILL FIVE THAN ON THE ORIGINAL
BILL THAT CREATED THE COLLECTIVE
00:08:48BARGAINING FOR GOVERNMENT
WORKERS TO BEGIN WITH.
00:08:50TO SAY WE GAVE IT AND SAID VOTE
ON IT -- IT IS NOT ACCURATE.
00:08:55WE HAD HOURS OF TESTIMONY ON
THE -- IN THE COMMITTEE.
00:09:00JOE WAS THERE, I WAS THERE.
THIS BILL WENT THROUGH A NUMBER
00:09:03OF WEEKS AND A PROCESS WAS
FAIRLY LENGTHY IN THE SENATE IN
00:09:07A TIME PERIOD WE WENT THROUGH
IT.
00:09:09THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THERE
WERE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR
00:09:12SUGGESTIONS AND AMENDMENTS AND
THEY DECIDED OBVIOUSLY FOR
00:09:15POLITICAL PURPOSES THAT THEY
WANT TO SAY, HEY, WE WERE
00:09:19OPPOSED AND THE BEGINNING AND WE
DID NOT HAVE A SEAT AT THE
00:09:22TABLE.
THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED.
00:09:25I ASKED FOR QUESTIONS AND WE DID
NOT GET SUGGESTIONS.
00:09:27>> I WANTED TO ASK THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE A TIMELINE WAS
00:09:31FAST.
PLACEHOLDER BILL PUT IN PLACE IN
00:09:34FEBRUARY AND THE BILL WAS
SIGNED MARCH 30.
00:09:35IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS A QUICK
SPAN OF TIME ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU
00:09:40HAVE HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS
OF SUPPORTERS OF OR PROTESTERS
00:09:43WHO CAME HERE WHO SAID THEY
WANTED A SEAT AT THE TABLE, THEY
00:09:47WANTED TO NEGOTIATE.
>> THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY SAID.
00:09:50THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO TESTIFY
AND TO KILL THE BILL.
00:09:53FROM EVEN THE VERY BEGINNING
WHEN IT WAS INTRODUCED AND THERE
00:09:56WAS TALK WE WERE GOING TO THE
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING REFORM,
00:09:59THE UNION'S CONSTANT REPORT WAS
NO, WE WON'T GO.
00:10:03THAT WAS THE MESSAGE.
FRANKLY, THE TIME FRAME WAS
00:10:06AGAIN LONGER THAN THEY SPENT
PASSING THE ORIGINAL COLLECTIVE
00:10:10BARGAINING BILL AND 1983.
WE HAD WEEKS OF TESTIMONY BEFORE
00:10:14THE COMMITTEE.
WEEKS THIS WAS CONSIDERED.
00:10:16>> LIKE ONE OR TWO RATHER THAN
FIVE OR SIX?
00:10:19>> IT WAS CLOSE -- BUT IN A
SENATE SESSION WHERE WE WERE
00:10:24CONSIDERING OTHER MATTERS, IT
IS A LOT OF TIME, CERTAINLY TIME
00:10:28STAFF AND PROFESSIONALS TO TAKE
A LOOK AT THIS BILL TO FIND WHAT
00:10:31THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE
00:10:35AND THE RESPONSE I GOT ON THE
PUBLIC-SECTOR UNION
00:10:38REPRESENTATIVES WAS NO, KILLED
THE BILL.
00:10:40THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO
GENERATE AND BRING BUSLOADS OF
00:10:43THEIR PAID SUPPORTERS TO TESTIFY
-- THEY CERTAINLY COULD HAVE HAD
00:10:48PROFESSIONALS READ THE BILL.
AS YOU GO FORWARD, THAT WAS THE
00:10:51POLITICAL TACTIC.
IT WAS THE SAME THAT THEY USED
00:10:54IN THE BALLOT BOARD.
I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE
00:10:57BALLOT ARGUMENTS ARE SO OVER THE
TYPE -- OVER THE TOP, THE FIRST
00:11:01TIME THE BALLOT BOARD HAD ISSUED
A DISCLAIMER SAYING WE ARE NOT
00:11:04SAYING THAT THINGS PRINTED HERE
ARE ACCURATE.
00:11:06THAT IS ABOVE THE CALL OF A
FAIR, HONEST POLITICAL DEBATE.
00:11:11>> I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE
BALLOT BOARD ARGUMENT IN A
00:11:13MINUTE.
THE LIMITED SENATOR SCHIAVONI ON
00:11:17THIS -- WHAT ABOUT THE UNION
LEADERS, THEIR ONLY RESPONSE WAS
00:11:20TO KILL IT, AND THEY DID NOT
COME UP WITH IDEAS ON HOW TO
00:11:24REFORM SINCE OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS
THE GOAL OF THE PEOPLE WHO PUT
00:11:26TOGETHER SENATE BILL 5?
>> THERE IS A 30-YEAR-OLD LAW
00:11:30THAT OBVIOUSLY -- WHEN YOU HAVE
A LAW IN PLACE FOR THAT LONG YOU
00:11:34HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND REVISED
THE LAW AND UPDATE IT AND ARE
00:11:38PARTS WE COULD HAVE FIXED.
BUT WHEN YOU COME OUT AND YOU
00:11:42TOTALLY TAKE AWAY COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING RIGHTS AND THEN YOU
00:11:45SAY AMENDED THAT, AGAIN, THAT IS
NOT A DISCUSSION AND NOT AN
00:11:48APPROACH THAT REASONABLE PEOPLE
HAVE WHEN IT WENT TO FIX
00:11:51SOMETHING.
THEY DON'T JUST THROW SOMETHING
00:11:53AT YOU AND JUST ASK YOU, CAN YOU
MAKE CHANGES.
00:11:56YOU SIT THERE AND YOU TALK ABOUT
IT FIRST.
00:11:59THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
I THINK THAT IS WHY PEOPLE WERE
00:12:01SO UPSET.
AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WHEN YOU
00:12:04ARE MESSING WITH PEOPLE'S
ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY AND THEIR
00:12:08RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE HAD, THEN
THEY ARE GOING TO BE UPSET.
00:12:11PEOPLE ARE NOT MAKING A LOT OF
MONEY NOW.
00:12:14THE PUBLIC-SECTOR UNIONS HAVE
GIVEN BACK CONCESSIONS.
00:12:16I DON'T SEE PEOPLE GOING FOR
THESE BIG CONTRACTS.
00:12:21THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO KEEP
THEIR JOBS.
00:12:24THEY ARE JUST SIMPLY ASKING,
LET'S JUST SIT AND TALK ABOUT
00:12:28THIS.
I AM OK WITH WHAT I AM MAKING.
00:12:31I AM OK INCREASING SOME OF THE
HEALTH CARE COSTS.
00:12:33BUT WE WANTED TO WORK IS A WEEK
IN SUPPORT OUR FAMILIES.
00:12:36>> ADOPTS THE NOT SEEM LIKE THE
MESSAGE WILL WE WOULD WATCH THE
00:12:40PROTESTERS -- THAT DOES NOT SEEM
LIKE THE MESSAGE WE WOULD WATCH
00:12:45WHAT WE SAW THE PROTESTERS, LIKE
KILL THE BILL.
00:12:47>> BECAUSE IT WAS STUFFED DOWN
THEIR THROAT.
00:12:49THE BILL WAS NOT EXPLAINED.
PEOPLE WERE TESTIFYING, THEY
00:12:53WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF SENATE BILL
5.
00:12:56THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF SOME
CHANGE REGARDING COLLECTIVE
00:12:59BARGAINING.
I CAN'T RECALL SOME TIMES THAT
00:13:02I'VE LOOKED AS SOMEBODY AND I
SAID, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF SENATE
00:13:06BILL 5 OR SOME CHANGE IN
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AND MOST
00:13:08OF THE TIME IT WAS WE ARE IN
FAVOR OF SOME SORT OF CHANGE TO
00:13:12COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS IN
00:13:15IT.
>> WHERE WERE THE CHANGES?
00:13:16YOU DID NOT OFFER A SINGLE
AMENDMENT, NOT TO ADOPT ANY OF
00:13:20THE CHANGES PEOPLE SAID THEY
WERE FOUR.
00:13:22>YOU KEEP SAYING THE BILL
COMPLETELY KILLED COLLECTIVE
00:13:28BARGAINING.
THAT IS NOT TRUE.
00:13:29THE BILL SPECIFICALLY PRESERVES
THE RIGHT FOR PUBLIC WORKERS,
00:13:33GOVERNMENT WORKERS, BUT TO
NEGOTIATED -- NEGOTIATE ON WAGES
00:13:38AND HOURS AND CONDITIONS OF
EMPLOYMENT.
00:13:39IF WE KILL COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
BY SIMPLY SAYING WE WANT YOU TO
00:13:43PAY 15% FOR HOW CARE, IF THAT IS
KILLING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
00:13:48YOU HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT
DEFINITION OF WHAT IS KILLING
00:13:51COLLECTIVE BARGAINING THAN I DO.
AND WE ARE ASKING GOVERNMENT
00:13:54WORKERS TO PAY 10% OF THEIR
COSTS OF THEIR VERY GENEROUS
00:13:58PENSIONS.
10% EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS.
00:14:00IF WE SAY YOU CAN'T NEGOTIATE
NOT TO PAY ANYTHING FOR YOUR
00:14:04PENSIONS ANYMORE, IF THAT IS
ELIMINATING COLLECTIVE
00:14:07BARGAINING THEN FRANKLY IT IS A
DIFFERENT DEFINITION BECAUSE WE
00:14:10ALLOW PUBLIC WORKERS AND THEIR
GOVERNMENT TAXPAYERS AND
00:14:14EMPLOYERS TO THE NEGOTIATE
OFFSETS FOR BOTH OF THE
00:14:17PROVISIONS.
THAT IS HAPPENING AROUND OHIO.
00:14:20PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING FULLY
COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPONENTS OF
00:14:23SENATE BILL 5 ARE GETTING 15%
ACROSS THE BOARD RAISES TO MAKE
00:14:27UP FOR THE DIFFERENCES IN
COMPENSATION.
00:14:30BUT WHAT WE GIVE THE TAXPAYERS
SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE --
00:14:33TRANSPARENCY.
YOU CAN'T HIDE COMPENSATION AND
00:14:35BENEFITS ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE TO SAY HERE IS WHAT WE
00:14:38ARE PAYING OUR GOVERNMENT
WORKERS AND IT WILL BE
00:14:40TRANSPARENT.
>> BRIEFLY -- THIS IS SOMETHING
00:14:43THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT
ABOUT THIS THOUGH, WHETHER OR
00:14:46NOT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IS
ELIMINATED.
00:14:48WHEN I SAY IT IS ELIMINATED,
WORKERS CAN NO LONGER
00:14:53EFFECTIVELY COLLECTIVE BARGAIN
BECAUSE THE THIRD-PARTY
00:14:58ARBITRATOR IS ELIMINATED.
THE SENSE THAT THE -- NEUTRAL
00:15:02THIRD PARTY IS ELIMINATED THE
ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THAT
00:15:05GEOGRAPHICAL AREA MAKE A
DECISION AND IF THEY SAY THEY
00:15:07CAN'T, THEN THE LAST BEST OFFER
FROM MANAGEMENT STANCE.
00:15:11IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN HOW
ARE THE WORKERS EVER GOING TO
00:15:17WIN?
I THINK A GOOD EXPLANATION OF
00:15:19THIS WAS -- I MEAN, SENATOR
GRENDELL CAME OUT SAID IT WAS
00:15:23COLLECTIVE BANGING -- AND OF THE
SENATORS SAID FLIPPING A TWO-
00:15:29HEADED COIN IN MANAGEMENT' HAS
HEAD EVERY TIME.
00:15:36THESE ARE REPUBLICANS -- WHEN
SENATOR -- THE SENATOR SAID IT
00:15:42IS A TWO-HEADED COIN.
>> I AM GLAD YOU ARE AGREEING
00:15:47WITH TIM GRENDELL AND -- SITES.
BUT THE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION IS
00:15:55WHETHER OR NOT IT IS GOING TO BE
THE TAXPAYERS OR ELECTED
00:15:58OFFICIALS MAKING THE
DETERMINATION OR WHETHER IT WILL
00:16:00BE AN UNELECTED ARBITRATOR WHO
IN MANY CASES COME FROM THE SAME
00:16:04LABOR CAMPS THAT THE UNIONS ARE
COMING FROM.
00:16:07WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST
THE ARBITRATION HAS LED TO ONE
00:16:10SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTIONS THAT THE
TAXPAYERS CAN'T PAY FOR.
00:16:13SO THE RESULTING OF FACT IS YOU
GET A UNION CONTRACT THAT
00:16:17REQUIRES HUGE LAYOFFS FORCED ON
THE MUNICIPALITY AND THE ONLY
00:16:22WAY TO PAY FOR IT IS TO LAY
PEOPLE OFF BECAUSE FRANKLY THEY
00:16:26HAVE BENEFITS TAXPAYERS CANNOT
AFFORD.
00:16:28BUT THE BIG DISTINCTION HERE IS
WHAT WE DID IN SENATE BILL 5, IS
00:16:31TO BE SET THE TABLE AND SAID, WE
ARE GOING TO TAKE WHAT IS A VERY
00:16:361-SIDED PUBLIC UNION -- LAW,
ALLOW COLLECTIVE BARGAINING BUT
00:16:41GIVE THE TAXPAYERS A SEAT AT THE
TABLE.
00:16:43A SITUATION WHERE THE CAN'T HAVE
SOMEBODY UNELECTED FORCE THE
00:16:49COMMUNITY TO RAISE TAXES TO PAY
FOR A CONTRACT INCREASE.
00:16:51>> THE BALLOT FOR ARGUMENTS WILL
BE PUBLISHED BUT THE CAVEAT THAT
00:16:54THEY HAVE NOT BEEN VETTED AND
NOT NECESSARILY TRUE STATEMENTS.
00:16:59SENATOR FABER -- PROTECTED
TEACHERS AND IMPROVE OUR
00:17:04SCHOOLS, RESTORE BALANCE AND
ENSURE FAIRNESS, GET SPENDING
00:17:07UNDER CONTROL WITH PAYING JOBS
AND THE TAX TAXPAYERS.
00:17:11NOTHING MENTIONED -- MENTIONS
POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS.
00:17:15IF THERE IS NO SECTION THAT
DEALS WITH PUBLIC SAFETY FORCES
00:17:18BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING PEOPLE
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
00:17:21>> THE ARGUMENTS ARE LIMITED TO
ABOUT 300 WORDS AND YOU CAN'T
00:17:24TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS MAKING
00:17:27ARGUMENTS ON THE PRIMARY REASON.
IT DOES TALK ABOUT POLICE AND
00:17:31FIREFIGHTERS WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT
GETTING COSTS UNDER CONTROL.
00:17:34IT TALKS ABOUT LEVELING THE
PLAYING FIELD FOR BENEFITS.
00:17:36THOSE TALK TO POLICE AND
FIREFIGHTERS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER
00:17:40GOVERNMENT WORKER.
>> NOT KNOWING THAT POLICE AND
00:17:46FIREFIGHTERS ARE COVERED --
>> THEY WILL KNOW THAT.
00:17:50YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE WE
OMITTED SOMETHING WE ARE
00:17:52MISLEADING.
I DO NOT THINK THE ARGUMENT IS
00:17:54MISLEADING.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE BENEFITS AND
00:17:57THE ISSUES THAT AFFECT POLICE
AND FIREFIGHTERS.
00:17:59IT ASKS THEM TO PAY 15% OF THE
COST OF THEIR HEALTH CARE.
00:18:03IT ASKS THEM TO PAY THEIR OWN
EMPLOYEE SHARE OF THE PENSION
00:18:06AND NOT GET 0 PERCENT EMPLOYEE
CONTRIBUTION FOR VERY GENEROUS
00:18:11PENSIONS.
THE PENSION AND HEALTH CARE ARE
00:18:13STAYING UNDER SENATE BILL 5.
NOTHING TAKES THEM AWAY.
00:18:16IT ALSO ASKS, THE OTHER
PROVISIONS.
00:18:19IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE THINGS
THAT APPLY TO THEM BECAUSE
00:18:21FRANKLY THERE IS NOTHING IN THE
BILL THAT SPECIFICALLY APPLIES
00:18:24TO POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS
ACCEPT A PROVISION THAT SAYS YOU
00:18:27STILL GET TO NEGOTIATE FOR
SAFETY EQUIPMENT, YOU STILL GET
00:18:32TO NEGOTIATE FOR SAFETY ITEMS.
FRANKLY IT IS NOT AN ARGUMENT
00:18:35BECAUSE THAT IS NOT ONE OF THE
ARGUMENTS IN THE BILL, THAT
00:18:38MAINTAINS THE STATUS QUO.
>> YOUR ARGUMENT TO VOTE NO --
00:18:42UNSAFE, UNFAIR, AND HURTS US
ALL.
00:18:44YOU MAKE IT CLEAR THAT NURSES,
HOSPITAL PERSONNEL, CLINIC
00:18:48WORKERS, POLICE AND
FIREFIGHTERS AND THE JEWS ARE
00:18:52INCLUDED.
BUT THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT
00:18:54POLITICIANS.
GOV. KASICH IS NAMED --
00:18:58INSIDERS, LOBBYISTS, PEOPLE AT
THE TOP.
00:19:00THOSE SOUND A LOT LIKE THE
ARGUMENTS WE HEARD LAST YEAR IN
00:19:04THE NOVEMBER 2010 ELECTION THAT
DEMOCRATS DID NOT SEEM TO
00:19:08RESPOND TO VERY WELL.
DEMOCRATS DID NOT TURN OUT ON
00:19:11THE CALLS.
REPUBLICANS IS WHAT DID THE
00:19:13BALLOT.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS --
00:19:15DEMOCRATS WILL RESPOND TO THE
ARGUMENTS IN THIS TIME AROUND?
00:19:18>> I THINK THE WHOLE ISSUE WITH
THIS THING IS FAIRNESS AND BEING
00:19:21REASONABLE AND THAT IS NOT WHAT
HAS HAPPENED SO FAR.
00:19:24ESPECIALLY THE LATEST THING WAS
BUFFETED MEETING THAT GOV.
00:19:28KASICH CALLED WITH LABOR.
HE KNEW NOBODY WAS GOING TO GO
00:19:34AND HE DID NOT WANT THEM TO GO.
HE DID NOT OFFER ANYTHING.
00:19:37THEY HAD THE PLACARD OUT --
PLACARD'S OUT AND THEY HAD ALL
00:19:44THE EMPTY ROOM.
FOR SOME REASON THEY LEFT OUT
00:19:47POLICE AND FIRE.
THEY HAD ALL OF THE UNIONS THERE
00:19:50AND A PAN THE CAMERA EXPECTING
THAT THAT WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL,
00:19:53TOO, AND THEY WERE GOING TO TRY
TO SHOW THAT NOBODY CAME TO MEET
00:19:56WITH THE GOVERNOR.
BUT THE GOVERNMENT -- GOV. NEW
00:20:00ALL ALONG NOBODY WAS COMING.
HE WANTED TO GET THIS THROUGH,
00:20:04PASSED THE BILL IN THE CURRENT
FORM AND MOVE ALONG.
00:20:06I THINK WITH THE QUESTION THAT
YOU ASKED REGARDING THE TACTICS
00:20:11THAT ARE BEING USED, IT IS
UNFAIR, IT IS UNREASONABLE, AND
00:20:15IT WILL HURT US ALL BECAUSE IF
YOU DON'T HAVE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES
00:20:19MAKING A GOOD WAGE OR PUBLIC
EMPLOYEES MAKE ENOUGH TO PAY
00:20:23THEIR BILLS AND GO OUT TO EAT
EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE AND A
00:20:27LITTLE VACATION THROUGH OF THE
STATE AND COUNTRY, THEN PRIVATE
00:20:29BUSINESS WILL GET HURT AS WELL.
>> IT IS AN INTERESTING ARGUMENT
00:20:33THAT -- YOU NEED TO PAY
GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES A LOT --
00:20:38>> REASONABLE WAY TO PREVENT OF
YAK REMEMBER, THE GOVERNMENT
00:20:42EMPLOYEES ARE PAID FROM THE
PRIVATE SECTOR.
00:20:45AN INTERESTING POINT -- IN THE
LAST 10 YEARS, GOVERNMENT
00:20:49EMPLOYEES HAVE HAD INCREASES 25%
GREATER THAN THE MEDIAN
00:20:52HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN OHIO.
>> A LOT OF REPORTS THAT
00:20:58SUGGEST OTHERWISE.
>> MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS
00:21:00THE MIDDLE-CLASS.
THE GROWTH IN THE MEDIAN
00:21:03HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS 25% LESS
THAN THE GROWTH AND PUBLIC SAFE
00:21:07-- SECTOR WAGES BUT THAT
STATISTIC SHOWS YOU THE CURRENT
00:21:10SYSTEM IS PUTTING TOO MUCH
EMPHASIS ON ONE SIDE.
00:21:13THE UNIONS HAVE A SYSTEM THAT
IS ONE-SIDED IN COLLECTIVE
00:21:17BARGAINING.
YOU NEED TO RESET THE TABLE.
00:21:19I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THIS, THAT
SOMEHOW BUT UNIONS WILL BE
00:21:24ADVERSELY AFFECTED WHEN THEY ARE
DEALING WITH THEIR LOCAL
00:21:26POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS.
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE
00:21:29POWER.
THEY WILL SPEND CLOSE TO $40
00:21:32MILLION IN THIS.
YOU NEED TO TELL ME THEY ARE NOT
00:21:34ALSO ACTIVE IN CITY COUNCIL RACE
IS TO ELECT CITY COUNCILMAN WHO
00:21:38WILL BE FAVORABLE TO THE UNION
POSITION IN CONTRACT
00:21:41NEGOTIATIONS?
ABSOLUTELY.
00:21:42THE UNIONS WILL STILL HAVE AN
ACTIVE ROLE AND YOU WILL STILL
00:21:46HAVE ACTIVE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING IN OHIO BUT WHAT YOU
00:21:51HAVE THIS TRANSPARENCY FOR THE
TAXPAYER AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
00:21:54THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO NOW
WILL HAVE TO SAY, YES, I AGREED
00:21:57TO GIVE 15% RAISES TO THE PUBLIC
WORKERS WHEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR
00:22:01HAS NOT GOTTEN ANYTHING LIKE
THAT.
00:22:03>> WORDS GET TWISTED WITH THIS.
I SAID REASONABLE, HE SAID A
00:22:10LOT.
I TALK TO PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ALL
00:22:11THE TIME BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW
WHAT THEY MAKE.
00:22:13WHEN I GIVE SPEECHES TO THEM I
SAY, THIS IS YOUR THING NOW.
00:22:17MY VOTE COUNTS THE SAME AS HIS
VOTE AND YOUR VOTE.
00:22:20TELL PEOPLE WHERE YOU LIVE.
IF A TEACHER IS GOING TO TEACH
00:22:25FOR 15 YEARS AND HE MAKES
$45,000 AND LIVES IN A $100,000
00:22:30HOUSE, HE COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN
FOR THAT WAGE, EVERYTHING IN HIS
00:22:34CONTRACT.
WE HAVE MAHONEY COUNTY SHERIFF,
00:22:36THEY TAKE CARE OF PRISONERS, GET
SPENT ON AND THEY MAKE $13 AN
00:22:41HOUR.
COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN.
00:22:43IS IT REASONABLE?
I THINK IT IS LOW.
00:22:46YOU CAN FIND OUT LYRES UP HERE
AND DOWN HERE BUT FOR THE MOST
00:22:50PART EVERYBODY IS MAKING A
REASONABLE WAGE.
00:22:53>> ANOTHER INTERESTING POINT.
I SAID PUBLICLY MY SON'S PUBLIC
00:22:57SCHOOL KINDERGARTEN AND FIRST
BASE -- DESERVE TO MAKE A
00:23:00MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
UNFORTUNATELY THE TAXPAYERS
00:23:03CANNOT AFFORD THAT.
ALL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS --
00:23:06IN MY HOME COUNTY, 40,000
PEOPLE.
00:23:09WE HAVE ZERO UNIONS THAT
NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTED.
00:23:12IT IS NOT ALL UNION ISSUE.
IT IS A GOVERNMENT WORKER ISSUE.
00:23:16IN THAT SITUATION WITH THE ZERO
UNIONS, JUST ASKING THE COUNTY
00:23:20WORKERS TO PAY 15% TOWARD THEIR
HEALTH CARE, IT SAVES THE
00:23:24EQUIVALENT OF THE SALARIES OF
FIVE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY AND IF YOU
00:23:27ARE A TAXPAYER WOULD YOU
RATIFIED MORE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES
00:23:31AND NOT HAVE TO LAY THEM OFF OR
ADD FIVE MORE?
00:23:36THAT IS WHAT SENATE BILL 5 HAS
BEEN ABOUT.
00:23:40>> THE HEALTH CARE PROVISION IS
10 PAGES OUT OF 340 -- OR 304.
00:23:47IF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE
BILL, TO INCREASE HEALTH CARE
00:23:51PAYMENTS BY PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, I
BET THAT WOULD HAVE PASSED.
00:23:54BUT IT WAS NOT THE BILL.
>> THE SAME HEALTH CARE THAT JOE
00:23:59AND I PAY WILL WE GET OUR HEALTH
CARE THROUGH THE STATE.
00:24:01SOME OF THE OTHER MISCONCEPTIONS
THAT SOME OF THE UNIONS WERE
00:24:04SPREADING, THAT WE SOME NOT
EXEMPT OURSELVES.
00:24:07THE REALITY IS IT IS NOT TRUE.
THERE ARE NO UNIONS WORKING IN
00:24:12THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE IN 1983
THE DEMOCRATS WHO CONTROL THE
00:24:16LEGISLATURE EXEMPTED THEMSELVES
FROM THE SAME UNION LAW BUT JOE
00:24:21AND I.'S HEALTH-CARE AND PENSION
BENEFITS ARE EXACTLY SENATE BILL
00:24:255 COMPLIANCE.
WE PAY BETWEEN 15% AND 80% FOR
00:24:28HEALTH CARE AND IF YOU GET YOUR
PENSION THROUGH THE STATE YOU
00:24:31PAY 10% -- WOULD PAY 15% TO 18%
FOR HEALTH CARE.
00:24:37>> THAT IS THE SMALLEST PART OF
SENATE BILL 5.
00:24:39YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE SAME
PART OF IT IS THE SMALLEST.
00:24:42>> I WOULD SAY THAT IS THE MAJOR
PART.
00:24:44WHERE THE SAVINGS GO.
>> WHY DON'T YOU JUST DO THAT?
00:24:48>> IF THE OFFER AMENDMENTS.
>> SENATORS, THANK YOU SO MUCH
00:24:53FOR BEING HERE.
AND NEXT WEEK, WE'LL PICK UP THE
00:24:55REST OF THE CONVERSATION WITH
SENATORS FABER AND SCHIAVONI,
00:24:57TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S AHEAD IN
THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO PASS OR
00:24:59DEFEAT ISSUE 2.
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