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00:00:01SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF THE STATE OF OHIO
00:00:02COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES OF
PORTER, WRIGHT, MORRIS, LLP.
00:00:08HELPING SOLVE COMPLEX LEGAL
PROBLEMS IN OHIO, ACROSS THE
00:00:16COUNTRY, AND AROUND THE WORLD
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATIONAL
00:00:19ASSOCIATION.
WORKING FOR GREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS
00:00:25FOR EVERY CHILD.
ON LINE AT OHEA.ORG.
00:00:29THE LEADER OF THE STATE'S SAFETY
FORCES RETIRES, BUT HE'LL LIKELY
00:00:34BE BACK AT WORK SOON AT A
CONTROVERSIAL AGENCY.
00:00:36ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO BRING THE
MEDICAID EXPANSION CONVERSATION
00:00:38BACK TO THE FOREFRONT.
AND TWO LEGENDARY BUDGET EXPERTS
00:00:41ARE BACK TO DIG INTO THE NEW
STATE SPENDING PLAN.
00:00:43ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."THIS WEEK BROUGHT ANOTHER
00:00:51JOB CHANGE FOR ONE OF THE
STATE'S TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT
00:00:53OFFICIALS. LOOK SAFETY DIRECTOR
TOM CHARLES RETIRED FROM THAT
00:00:59JOB AND WEDNESDAY.
THE KEY RETIREMENT BENEFIT
00:01:03DEADLINE AFTER REFORMS IN THE
STATE PENSION SYSTEM.
00:01:05CHARLES WAS APPOINTED HEAD OF
THE STATE SAFETY FORCES IN 2010
00:01:08AFTER SPENDING EIGHT -- 13 YEARS
AS THE STATE'S INSPECTOR GENERAL
00:01:14INVESTIGATING WRONGDOING IN
STATE GOVERNMENT.
00:01:15IT IS EXPECTED HE WILL NOW TAKE
AN ADVISORY POSITION WITH JOBS
00:01:22OHIO, THAT HAS RAISED A LOT OF
QUESTIONS FOR DEMOCRATS AND
00:01:28OTHER OPPONENTS ABOUT
TRANSPARENCY IN CONNECTION.
00:01:29THIS WEEK THE DAYTON DAILY NEWS
REPORTED THAT SIX OF NINE JOBS
00:01:33OHIO ORTON MEMBERS HAVE TIES TO
COMPANIES THAT RECEIVE TAX
00:01:37CREDIT FROM THE STATE OR
BENEFITS FROM JOBS OHIO.
00:01:40POLITICS ARE HOLDING UP MEDICAID
EXPANSION REFORM.
00:01:47SHE SAID SHE IS PROPOSING A BILL
THAT WILL FORCE THE ISSUE.
00:01:49THE SENATOR HAS BEEN WORKING ON
A BIPARTISAN OPTION.
00:01:59SHE HAD TO INTRODUCE A BILL THAT
WOULD INCLUDE REFORM AND
00:02:04EXPANSION BECAUSE SHE DID NOT
THINK HER PUBLIC AND LEADERS ARE
00:02:07SERIOUS ABOUT THE ISSUE BECAUSE
OF FEARS OF CHALLENGES FROM THE
00:02:09RIGHT IN NEXT YEAR'S PRIMARY.
>> THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION BUT
00:02:12TO INTRODUCE STAND-ALONE EASE OF
LEGISLATION TO MOVE THE DIALOGUE
00:02:16FORWARD.
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OHIO
00:02:21ANS LIVES HANG IN THE
BALANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE CAUGHT
00:02:27IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF
MARKSMANSHIP.
00:02:30>> THE IDEAS AND NUMBERS IN THE
BILL ARE EMBEDDED, HE SAID.
00:02:40THE EXISTING REFORM BILL AND THE
PROCESSOR ARE PARTISAN AND HE
00:02:44WAS NOT HAPPY WITH YOUR
COMMENTS.
00:02:45>> IF THE SENATOR WANTS TO
PARTICIPATE IN A BIPARTISAN GOAL
00:02:49TOWARD DOING GOOD POLICY, WE
ENCOURAGE HER TO PARTICIPATE. IT
00:02:54WOULD SEEM SHE HAS TAKEN A TURN
TO WANT TO MAKE THIS ABOUT
00:02:58POLITICS, THEN MAYBE YOUR
PARTICIPATION SHOULD BE MORE
00:02:59SUSPECT.
>> FABER SAYS HEARINGS WILL
00:03:02START THIS WEEK ON THE EXISTING
BIPARTISAN REFORM BILL WHICH
00:03:05DOES NOT INCLUDE EXPANSION, AND
A VOTE COULD COME BY EARLY FALL.
00:03:08CAMPAIGN 2014 IS WELL UNDERWAY
AND THERE IS A HUGE GAP BETWEEN
00:03:12REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH
AND HIS DEMOCRAT CHALLENGER.
00:03:18HE RAISED RARELY $2.6 MILLION IN
THE SIX -- FIRST SIX MONTHS OF
00:03:242013 AND HAS $4.4 MILLION ON
HAND. EIGHT TIME WARNER -- EIGHT
00:03:28TIMES THE MONEY HELD I ADVANCED
GERALD WHO TOOK IN $600,000 IN
00:03:33THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR.
THERE IS ALSO A MASSIVE GAP AND
00:03:37ANOTHER BIG RACE FOR NEXT YEAR,
REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE
00:03:41JOHN HOUHUSTED REPORTED HIS AMO.
THE STATE BUDGET IS A MONTH OLD
00:03:56THIS WEEK.
MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL WORKING TO
00:04:00GET THEIR ARMS AROUND ALL THE
BUDGET DOES AND WHETHER IT WILL
00:04:02DO WHAT SOME ARE SAYING IT WILL.
I AM PLEASED TO HAVE BACK ON THE
00:04:07SHOW TO LONGTIME RESPECTED
BUDGET EXPERTS WHO WERE HERE
00:04:09WHEN THE BUDGET WAS IN --
UNVEILED THIS WINTER.
00:04:13NEIL CLARK IS THE FORMER CHIEF
FINANCIAL OFFICER OF THE OHIO
00:04:16SENATE REPUBLICAN HOCKEY IS AND
BILL SHKURT WAS THE BUDGET
00:04:23DIRECTOR.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS IDEA
00:04:27THAT THERE ARE TWO APPROACHES TO
LOOKING AT THE BUDGET HERE.
00:04:32THERE IS THE APPROACH OF THIS IS
A REELECTION BUDGET FOR GOVERNOR
00:04:37KASICH AND THE PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO UNSEAT HIM AND THEIR IS THE
00:04:39ISSUE OF THE PROBLEMS HE IS
GOING TO HAVE AN THE PROBLEMS
00:04:43THAT DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO HAVE
IN TRYING TO DEFEAT HIM.
00:04:45THIS IS A REELECTION BUDGET.
THAT COULD EXPLAIN CERTAIN
00:04:52THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE.
>> IT IS A REELECTION BUDGET FOR
00:04:53NOT JUST THE GOVERNOR BUT
REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF THE
00:04:57GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
WE SEE IN THIS DOCUMENT EXACTLY
00:05:01WHAT WOULD DRIVE MANY
REPUBLICANS TO THE BALLOT TO
00:05:03VOTE REPUBLICAN.
TAX CUTS, SPENDING FOR
00:05:10EDUCATION, LOOKING AT AND
CONVINCING CERTAIN SIDES OF THE
00:05:15STATE GOVERNMENT.
WE ARE AT 53,000 STATE EMPLOYEES
00:05:18WHICH IS DOWN NEARLY 10,000
SINCE 2007.
00:05:21IT IS A GREAT BUDGET FOR THE
PURPOSE OF PUTTING OUT THE
00:05:27APPROPRIATE MESSAGE TO ELECT
REPUBLICANS AND DISTRICTS THAT
00:05:30ARE REPUBLICAN BASED LINES.
FOR THE GOVERNOR IT IS A
00:05:34DIFFERENT STORY.
IT IS A BUDGET THAT SEEMS TO
00:05:37HAVE A BIT FOR EVERYBODY.
EVERY GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION.
00:05:41HE HELD CLEVELAND SIGNIFICANTLY
AND HELPED COLUMBUS AND HAS
00:05:46THINGS AND THEREFORE EVERY PART
AND CORNER OF THE STATE.
00:05:49FOR REPUBLICANS AND THE
REELECTION OF JOHN KASICH EMMA
00:05:53IT IS A GOOD SOLID BUDGET.
>> I IMAGINE THE CUT SEE IT
00:05:57DIFFERENTLY.
IS IT A GOOD BUDGET FOR PEOPLE
00:06:03WHO WANT TO SEE THE GOVERNOR NOT
REELECTED?
00:06:07>> IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CALLED THE
GOVERNOR'S REELECTION BUDGET.
00:06:13I WANT TO FRAME IT IN SUCH A WAY
AS TO MAKE IT SUPPORT THEIR
00:06:17MESSAGE OR THEIR NARRATIVE AND
YOU MENTIONED THAT.
00:06:20THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THE
SENSE THEY CAN SAY WITH SOME
00:06:24DEGREE OF LEGITIMACY THEY CUT
TAXES WHICH IS A BIG THING OF
00:06:28THEIRS.
THEY ARE SPENDING MORE ON
00:06:29EDUCATION, THE BUDGET WAS PASSED
ON TIME, YOU DO NOT GET CREDIT
00:06:34FOR THAT BUT IF IT DRAGS OUT IT
PULLS AGAINST YOU.
00:06:36THERE IS -- THE GOVERNOR SEES
HIM SELF AS A REFORM GOVERNMENT
00:06:42-- GOVERNOR.
THERE ARE IMPORTANT CHANGES IN
00:06:49MENTAL HEALTH AND OTHER AREAS
WHICH ARE VERY SOLID.
00:06:51WE ARE TWO OF THE THREE PEOPLE
WHO CARE ABOUT IT.
00:06:56I DO NOT THINK IT IS ENOUGH BUT
THEY DESERVE CREDIT FOR DOING
00:07:02THAT BECAUSE THAT IS MORE OF A
LONG-TERM THING.
00:07:03WHERE THE RUB COMES AND ALL
POLITICIANS ARE TEMPTED TO DO
00:07:09THIS REGARDLESS OF THEIR PARTY,
IS THEY SAY, THIS IS MY
00:07:11REELECTION BUDGET.
I GOT TO GET THROUGH AND GOT TO
00:07:15GET REELECTED AND I CAN DO ALL
THIS OTHER STUFF.
00:07:16WHAT IS PUT UNDER THE RUG AND
WHAT IS PUT ASIDE AND WHAT IS
00:07:20NOT DEALT WITH, WHAT IS DEALT
WITH BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER
00:07:23RAMIFICATIONS DOWN THE ROAD AREA
AND DO NOT IMMEDIATELY SHOW UP
00:07:25SO THAT IS WHEN IT FLIPS.
YOU SAY WHAT IS IN THIS BUDGET
00:07:31THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
CHALLENGING THE INCUMBENTS CAN
00:07:35POINT TO?
I WOULD SAY THE ONE ISSUE THAT
00:07:37IS STILL OUT IS THE MEDICAID,
WHETHER YOU WANT TO CALL IT
00:07:43REFORM OR EXPANSION.
IF THE GOVERNOR CAN PULL OFF A
00:07:45DEAL THAT HAS SUPPORT THAT GETS
US THROUGH BEFORE THE TIMELINE
00:07:48EXPIRES, THEN HE LOOKS LIKE A
STATESMAN AND IT IS A BIG WIN
00:07:53FOR HIM.
ON THE OTHER HAND IF MEMBERS OF
00:07:56THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS WHO TEND
TO BE ON THE MORE EXTREME AND
00:08:00BLOCK THIS, ALTHOUGH I DO NOT
THINK IT IS FATAL, IT DOES
00:08:06REVISED AN ISSUE FOR THE
DEMOCRATS ON THE NARRATIVE THAT
00:08:09THE REPUBLICANS ARE BECOMING TOO
EXTREME TO GOVERN EFFECTIVELY.
00:08:12I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT
TURNS OUT.
00:08:14>> YOU LOOK AT THE VOTE, USUALLY
IN A POLITICAL PROCESS THE
00:08:17CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT HAS
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.
00:08:23IN THIS POINT IT IS STATE PARTY
LINES BUT ALSO IN THE HOUSE.
00:08:27WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHO ARE
THE WINNERS IN THE PROCESS, THE
00:08:31GOVERNOR WAS CLEARLY A
SIGNIFICANT WINNER BECAUSE OF
00:08:34THE WAY HE ACTED.
HE DID NOT MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT
00:08:40OF A LOT OF THE VETO.
THEY WORK DAYS BEFORE THE VETO
00:08:45WITH LEADERSHIP TO DO IT.
IT IS ALSO FOR A NEOPHYTE LIKE
00:08:49KEITH FABER TO CONSTRUCT AND BE
ABLE TO CREATE THE KIND OF
00:08:54MESSAGING THAT HE DID FOR THE
SENATE WAS A GOOD THING.
00:08:58I THINK HE HAS FOUND IT A GOOD
PLACE FOR HIM TO MESSAGE FROM.
00:09:00THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT
THINGS IN THERE THAT MAY CAUSE A
00:09:05PROBLEM.
THAT IS WHY WHEN HE AND I WERE
00:09:08DOING BUDGETS I DO NOT THINK IT
EVER EXCEEDED 800 PAGES.
00:09:10THAT IS LEGISLATION THAT SHOULD
HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AS A SEPARATE
00:09:19BILL AND NOT IN THIS.
THE ONE COMPLAINT THAT I HAVE
00:09:20ABOUT THIS IS THAT SOME OF IT IS
WAITING FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS
00:09:24AND WAITING TO PUT IN MAJOR
CHANGES IN POLICY THAT SHOULD,
00:09:31IF IT IS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY, IT
SHOULD HAVE LONG, THOROUGH
00:09:35DEBATE.
I THINK THAT IT GETS -- I HAVE
00:09:38ALWAYS CRITICIZED HARDEE'S WHEN
IT IS ONE PARTY CONTROL.
00:09:41THERE NOT SOMEBODY SAYING STOP.
-- THERE IS NOT SOMEONE
00:09:50SAYING STOP.
>> THERE WAS ONE COMPLAINT YOU
00:09:51HAD.
I LISTENED TO WHAT YOU SAID IN
00:09:54FEBRUARY WHEN YOU'RE ON THE
SHOW.
00:09:55THERE WERE TOO MANY TAXES COMING
IN THAT ARE BEING PASSED ON TO
00:09:59INDIVIDUALS.
YOU THINK THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN
00:10:02ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE SALES TAX
AND SERVICES.
00:10:05NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS
HAPPENED.
00:10:05>> I SAID GET RID OF SALES TAX
ON SERVICES.
00:10:09I WAS NEVER FOR SALES TAX ON
SERVICES. I WAS FOR INCREASING
00:10:16THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY TAX.
THEY TOOK AWAY ONE OF THE
00:10:17DEDUCTIONS THAT PEOPLE GOT WHICH
DID RAISE THE COMMERCIAL
00:10:23ACTIVITY TAX.
THE OTHER SIDE WAS I WAS FOR IT
00:10:26AT THAT TIME, A FLAT TAX, INCOME
TAX AND BY GOING TO HIGHER SALES
00:10:32TAX AND REDUCING THE INCOME TAX
YOU ARE SETTING THE STAGE FOR A
00:10:35FLATTER INCOME TAX.
>> YOU ALSO SAID IN FOR WORRY
00:10:38THAT YOU AGREED WITH A LOT OF
THINGS IN THE BUDGET BUT THE
00:10:43WIDENING OF THE SALES TAX AND
PICKING UP OF OIL AND GAS
00:10:47REVENUES, YOU ARE INTERESTED IN
THOSE THINGS.
00:10:49THOSE THINGS DID NOT HAPPEN.
>> WE SAID LAST TIME, I THINK
00:10:56POLICY WISE TO EXPAND SERVICES
WAS THE RIGHT AND TO DO.
00:10:59NEIL SAID HE DID NOT THAT WOULD
GO THROUGH.
00:11:02THERE WERE A LOT OF
IMPLEMENTATION AND POLITICAL
00:11:07PROBLEMS.
I DO NOT WANT TO BOOST HIM UP
00:11:09TOO MUCH.
HE ALSO SAID MEDICAID WAS GOING
00:11:12TO BE STRIPPED OUT IF IT HAD ANY
CHANCE OF PASSING, IT WOULD BE A
00:11:18SEPARATE BILL AND HE WAS RIGHT
ABOUT THAT.
00:11:20>> WE LOOK AT WHAT WE DID OUR
LAST BUDGET TOGETHER.
00:11:23WE WERE THE ONES THAT FUNDED FOR
THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME
00:11:27THE RAINY DAY FUND.
THEY GOT UP TO ONE MILLION --
00:11:34ONE BILLION TWO AND IT GOT
DOWN TO $.89 WHEN THE
00:11:40RECESSION HIT.
$1.4 BILLION IS CLEARLY NOT
00:11:45ENOUGH TO WITHSTAND SIX MONTHS
WORTH OF GROSS NEGLECT UNDER A
00:11:54RECESSION.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS RIGHT NOW IS
00:11:55THAT THIS ECONOMY, WE LOST
370,000 JOBS.
00:12:01WE HAVE ADDED BACK 170,000 NEW
JOBS.
00:12:05SO FAR SINCE THE END OF THE
RECESSION WHICH WAS FIVE YEARS
00:12:10AGO.
UNEMPLOYMENT IS STILL SEVEN
00:12:12PERCENT.
-- 7%.
00:12:14OHIO MAY BE 6.5% OR NUMERAL
SEVEN PERCENT.
00:12:23-- 7%.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE
00:12:29BUDGET FROM THE GOVERNOR'S POINT
OF VIEW BECAUSE I FIND THIS
00:12:32AMUSING.
ALWAYS IN THE BUDGET PROGRESS --
00:12:35PROCESS T, THE SENATE SAYS THE
HOUSE SENT US A MESS.
00:12:44IN GENERAL, THE GOVERNOR'S
STAFF IS CONFIDENT AND THEY
00:12:52USUALLY DO NOT MAKE MISTAKES
LIKE THIS BUT THE TAX PROPOSAL
00:12:54AS IT CAME OUT, THE SALES
EXPANSION AND TAX AND SO FORTH
00:12:59DID NOT APPEAR TO BE WELL
CONSTRUCTED.
00:13:02THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS
THEY COULD NOT ANSWER WHEN I
00:13:04CAME OUT.
THE OTHER ONE THAT SURPRISED ME
00:13:06BECAUSE I SAID I SUPPORTED WITH
THE GOVERNOR WAS TRYING TO DO.
00:13:09THEIR PROPOSAL ON EDUCATION
FUNDING.
00:13:13THE GOVERNOR SAID HE WOULD HAVE
A NEW FORMULA AND HE WOULD FIX
00:13:16ALL THIS.
WHAT CAME OUT, THEY WERE NOT
00:13:18VERY FORTHCOMING ABOUT WHAT WAS
IN THERE.
00:13:20WHEN WE FOUND OUT WHAT WAS IN
THEIR THEM A WE FOUND OUT WHY
00:13:24AND THE KIND OF BLEW IT.
THE HOUSE AND SENATE PUT
00:13:26SOMETHING TOGETHER.
I DO NOT WANT TO GIVE
00:13:29REPUBLICANS TOO MUCH CREDIT.
WHAT THEY PUT TOGETHER FOR THIS
00:13:32BIENNIUM IS NOT BAD.
THEY MADE SOME EFFORT TO DO WITH
00:13:35THE SPIRIT IS BETWEEN DISTRICT
AND THEY PUT MORE MONEY INTO K-
00:13:4012.
THE LEGISLATURE AND THE
00:13:43GOVERNOR'S PEOPLE MAY PRIVATELY
AGREE, THEY MAY NOT.
00:13:47THE LEGISLATURE HELPED THE
GOVERNOR OUT.
00:13:49BOTH OF THOSE CASES, THEY TOOK
WHAT WAS A BAD START AND FIXED
00:13:53IT SO THE GOVERNOR HAS SOMETHING
HE CAN TALK ABOUT POSITIVE
00:13:57REGARDING HIS REELECTION.
>> BEFORE I DIE OR RETIRE I
00:14:00WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SITUATION
WHERE WE HAVE ONE SCHOOL FUNDED
00:14:03FORMULA THAT LAST THEIR TEEN
YEARS.
00:14:04THAT WILL BE ABLE TO -- FOR
PEOPLE TO MEASURE WHAT WE HAVE
00:14:09DONE IN EDUCATION.
IF YOU NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES
00:14:12TO THE SYSTEM AND SLOWLY TINKER
WITH IT, NOT MAKE MAJOR CHANGES
00:14:17EVERY TWO YEARS.
WE ARE DOING A GREAT DISSERVICE
00:14:19TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE
STATE BY CHANGING THE ROLES OF
00:14:23THE GAME AND SAYING WE WANT TO
DO THIS BECAUSE EVERY GOVERNOR
00:14:26HAS HIS OWN LEGACY.
EVERY LEGACY IS THINGS THAT WE
00:14:28ARE STILL MAKING UP FOR THAT
WERE 20 YEARS AGO THAT NEVER GOT
00:14:33A CHANCE TO WORK.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU BOTH, THIS
00:14:38IDEA THAT THE INCOME TAX CUTS
CREATE JOBS.
00:14:42THE INCOME TAX CUTS IN THIS
BUDGET, THERE IS AN INCOME TAX
00:14:48CUT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
CRITICS SAY THE TAX CUT DOES NOT
00:14:52CREATE ONE JOB.
IS THE CUT OR POSTAL IN THIS
00:14:53URGENT GOING TO HELP CREATE JOBS
OR NOT?
00:14:58>> BUSINESSES IN THIS COUNTRY
ARE RETAINING TOO MANY RETAINED
00:15:03EARNINGS.
THERE IS TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS
00:15:04THAT ARE BEING HELD BACK,
WAITING FOR THEM TO GET A
00:15:08COMFORT LEVEL AS THE ECONOMY
CHANGES.
00:15:09WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT INCOME
TAXES, 10% WILL NOT DO IT.
00:15:15WE ARE TAKING IT TO A FLAT TAX
OF MUCH -- A MUCH LOWER RATE AND
00:15:19THAT MAY HELP CREATE JOBS.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS READ
00:15:26BASED THE TAXES SO WE ARE
COMPETITIVE IN OUR GEOGRAPHICAL
00:15:28AREA.
WE CANNOT BE COMPETITIVE WITH
00:15:32MICHIGAN, INDIANA, PENNSYLVANIA.
TO GET IN TO THAT TYPE OF SENSE
00:15:37THAT WE CAN RETAIN OUR JOBS AND
CREATE JOBS WITH INCENTIVES, I
00:15:43WOULD AGREE THAT YOU WILL NOT
FIND TOO MANY STUDIES THAT WOULD
00:15:44SAY THAT IS THE ONE REASON WE
CREATE JOBS.
00:15:49IT IS ABOUT EDUCATION.
IT IS ABOUT ARTS, IT IS ABOUT A
00:15:53LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
>> THERE IS A POINT WHERE TAXES
00:15:55COULD BE TOO HIGH AND IF YOU'RE
OUT OF LINE THAT COULD HURT YOU.
00:15:58I WOULD WENT TO TO FACTUAL
THINGS.
00:16:00-- I WOULD POINT TO TWO FACTUAL
THINGS.
00:16:07THE ADMINISTRATION AND OTHERS
ARE USING $170,000 -- 157,000.
00:16:12WHEN CELESTE WAS GETTING READY
TO RUN FOR REELECTION, WE WERE
00:16:21ABLE TO SAY THAT THE STATE HAD
ADDED HALF A MILLION JOBS AND
00:16:23THAT WAS AFTER --
GUESS WHICH STATE?
00:16:30IT WAS REPLAYED -- IT WAS
REPRINTED USING COMMERCE
00:16:36DEPARTMENT DATA ON THE GROWTH IN
MANUFACTURING OUTPUT.
00:16:39IT WAS NOT JOBS, IT WAS OUTPUT.
GUESS WHAT STATE WAS THE LEADER?
00:16:41>> OHIO.
>> NO.
00:16:45>> ILLINOIS.
EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE TARGET.
00:16:48TAXES CAN BE TOO HIGH BUT THEY
HAVE BEEN OVERPLAYED AND THE
00:16:54REPUBLICANS HAVE SUCCESSFULLY
USED THAT.
00:16:57I BLAME THE DEMOCRATS FOR NOT
CALLING THEM TO ACCOUNT.
00:17:01THEY HAVE NOT CONNECTED THE DOTS
FOR PEOPLE.
00:17:02THAT IS THE FUNNIEST -- PHONIEST
ARGUMENT AND OHIO KEEPS
00:17:14FALLING BEHIND.
>> MY POLITICAL CHRIS'S THEM IS
00:17:19THE DEMOCRATIC ARTIE HAS YET TO
PUT UP TALENT LIKE BILL SHKURTI.
00:17:25Y SHOULDOU HAV -- YOU
SHOULD SHOW SOME OF THE
00:17:36ARGUMENTS THAT ARE NOT THAT
ACCURATE.
00:17:37I DO NOT SEE THE DEMOCRATS TO
THAT FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS.
00:17:43>> DEMOCRATS HAVE STARTED THE
CAMPAIGN WITH THEIR CRITICISMS
00:17:46OF THE BUDGET.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER
00:17:48THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET
THAT MAY NOT BE SPENDING
00:17:50RELATED.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT INC. THAT
00:17:51WERE PUT IN THAT BALLOONS THIS
BUDGET FROM AN AN 800 PAGE
00:17:56DOCUMENT UNDER YOUR TIME AS
BUDGET LEADERS TO NOW, READY
00:18:01SOME HUNDRED, 3000-SOME PAGES.
DO YOU THINK THESE -- WHAT DO
00:18:07YOU THINK OF THESE ITEMS THAT
ARE IN THERE?
00:18:12>> I AM NOT FOR ANY OF IT.
I BELIEVE THAT IF IT DOES NOT
00:18:15HAVE AN APPROPRIATION ATTACHED
IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THE BUDGET.
00:18:19>> WE AGREE TOO MUCH.
I AGREE WITH THEM.
00:18:22THERE IS TOO MUCH EXTRANEOUS
STUFF IN THERE.
00:18:24IT IS NOT FAIR.
>> I THINK OVER THE SHORT RUN
00:18:27MOST PEOPLE DO NOT CARE BUT THE
QUESTION IS, CAN THE DEMOCRATS
00:18:31CRAFTED NARRATIVE BASED ON THAT
THAT MIGHT RESONATE WITH PEOPLE,
00:18:34AND I WOULD ARGUE THEY CAN.
THE NARRATIVE SHOULD BE
00:18:38SOMETHING ABOUT THE ARROGANCE OF
POWER.
00:18:39THE REPUBLICANS -- IT IS 14 IN
THE LAST 18 YEARS, YOU HAD ONE-
00:18:45PARTY RULE IN THE STATE.
IT IS GOING TO THEIR HEAD AND
00:18:48THEY'RE CUTTING CORNERS AND THEY
CAN DO STUFF TO PUT THAT AND I
00:18:52KNOW PEOPLE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT
SIDES OF THE ABORTION ISSUE BUT
00:18:53TO PUT THAT IN A BUDGET BILL IS
UNCONSCIONABLE.
00:18:56THERE ARE OTHER STUFF IN THERE,
SOME STUFF WE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT
00:19:02THAT MAY POP UP LATER.
IT IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO GOVERN.
00:19:05WHAT THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO DO IS
CONNECT THE DOTS FOR VOTERS AND
00:19:09SAY IN THE LONG RUN, THIS HURTS
YOU AND HERE IS WHY.
00:19:12>> ONE SAVING GRACE IS FOR
REPUBLICANS -- FOR REPUBLICANS
00:19:18IS THE ONE-PARTY RULE CONCEPT.
THE ARROGANCE OF POWER AS BILL
00:19:21POINTS OUT DOES NOT COME TO
LIGHT.
00:19:25THERE IS NO CORRUPTION RIGHT
NOW.
00:19:27THERE ARE THINGS PEOPLE ARE
SAYING, THIS IS A CORRUPT PLACE
00:19:31OR SO-AND-SO DID THIS AND SO-
AND-SO DID THAT AND YOU DO NOT
00:19:36SEE ANY OF THAT.
THE PUBLIC IS CONTENT BECAUSE
00:19:39ALL THE PUBLIC CARES ABOUT IS
THIS.
00:19:39WHAT IS IN THEIR WALLET AND HOW
MUCH THEY ARE TAKING HOME AND
00:19:44WHO IS PAYING FOR WHAT.
AND MAKING SURE GOVERNMENT DOES
00:19:45NOT TAKE THEIR MONEY AWAY.
THAT IS WHY THAT IS ONE OF THE
00:19:49BEST PROPS ANYONE CAN HAVE.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY FORGET
00:19:58ABOUT THAT OTHER STUFF, THAT IS
NOT IMPORTANT.
00:20:00LOOK AT YOUR WALLET AND TELL ME
IF YOU ARE HAPPY OR NOT.
00:20:01>> WHAT ARE THE PITFALLS IN THIS
BUDGET?
00:20:05YOU HAVE PROPERTY TAXES THAT
WILL COST PEOPLE MORE MONEY.
00:20:08>> THEY ARE PHASING IN THE
ROLLBACK.
00:20:16I WOULD HAVE DONE THAT 100 YEARS
AGO.
00:20:19WE DID NOT HAVE THE COURAGE.
NONE OF US EVER THOUGHT ABOUT
00:20:22PHASING IT IN.
WE WANTED TO GET RID OF IT.
00:20:24I THOUGHT IT WAS A STUPID DEAL
THAT WE MADE IN 1971 TO APPEASE
00:20:29THE INCOME TAX.
THAT IS WHY I CAME IN IN THE
00:20:32FIRST PLACE.
THE 2.5 CAME BECAUSE WE NEED TO
00:20:39MAKE YOU HAPPY.
I HAVE ONLY SEEN IT HAPPEN ON
00:20:46SALES TAX I'M NOT CONCERNED.
>> THERE ARE POTENTIAL TICKING
00:20:53TIME BOMBS.
I WOULD CALL THIS THE TAX SHALL
00:20:57GAME.
WHAT I WOULD ARGUE IS
00:20:57REPUBLICANS MADE A BIG DEAL THAT
YOU ARE CUTTING YOUR TAXES.
00:21:02LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE DID
THAT.
00:21:03THEY PUSHED DOWN A LOT OF
PROBLEM'S TWO COUNTIES AND LOCAL
00:21:08SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
IF THERE IS ONE TAX THAT IS
00:21:12HATED MORE THAN THE INCOME TAX,
IT IS THE POVERTY TAX.
00:21:13YOU HAVE SEEN THE BLOOMING OF A
THOUSAND FLOWERS OF DIFFERENT
00:21:20KINDS OF TAX INCREASES ON THE
LOCAL LEVEL AND THE SCHOOL
00:21:21DISTRICT LEVEL BECAUSE THE STATE
HAS MANAGED TO BALANCE IT --
00:21:24BOOKS BY PUSHING PROBLEMS DOWN
THE WAY.
00:21:27ARGUMENT NUMBER TWO IS WHO
BENEFITS FROM THESE TAX
00:21:32INCREASES?
I WAS AMUSED TO SEE THE POLICY
00:21:36MATTERS OHIO BREAKDOWN.
IT MINISTRATION HAS ATTACKED IT
00:21:40BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT MAKES THEM
LOOK AT BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN
00:21:44ABLE TO ATTACK THE WAY IT IS PUT
TOGETHER.
00:21:45>> THAT IS THE ONE THAT SAYS THE
TOP ONE PERCENT OF EARNERS GETS
00:21:53MORE.
>> IN THE AVERAGE AT $42,000 A
00:22:01YEAR, THAT PERSON WOULD GET AN
AVERAGE TAX BREAK OF $12.
00:22:04AT THE TOP 1% THESE ARE 187,000
DOLLARS A YEAR.
00:22:12THIS IS A BREAK OF $6,000.
ONE OF THE ISSUES DEMOCRATS HAVE
00:22:17NOT BEEN ABLE TO DEAL WITH,
THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT
00:22:19ARE GETTING SCREWED BY THE
SYSTEM.
00:22:23I'M RARELY PEOPLE WHO HAVE JOBS
THAT DO NOT REQUIRE COLLEGE
00:22:29DEGREES OR REQUIRE A CERTAIN
KIND OF ADVANCED CERTIFICATION
00:22:33SO THEY ARE KIND OF
INTERCHANGEABLE.
00:22:34THEY ARE ON THE SHORT END OF ALL
THESE ECONOMIC DISLOCATIONS YET
00:22:39THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN ABLE
TO CONVINCE A MAJORITY OF THEM,
00:22:40MOST OF THE TIME AMONG AT WHAT
THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOING ARE IN
00:22:43THIS -- THEIR BEST INTERESTS.
THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO BREAK THAT
00:22:49AND SAY WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE
DOING HELPS THEIR FATCAT FRIENDS
00:22:51AND CONTRIBUTORS.
IT IS THE REASON YOU GUYS CANNOT
00:22:53GET AHEAD.
WHILE YOU WORK HARD AND DO YOUR
00:22:56JOB, AND ARE HONEST AND PAY YOUR
TAXES, YOU ARE FALLING FARTHER
00:23:02BEHIND.
>> I WANT TO GIVE NEIL AN
00:23:06OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.
>> I HAVE BEEN SIMPLE IN MY
00:23:13PROCESS.
LET'S GO TO A FLAT TAX.
00:23:13LET'S GIVE A SINGLE NUMBER.
LET'S HAVE A HIGHER RATE ON THE
00:23:18SALES TAX AND LET'S BE DONE WITH
EXEMPTIONS, EXCLUSIONS, AND
00:23:22DEDUCTIONS.
>> THE FINAL TWO ARGUMENTS.
00:23:27>> THE SCHOOL FUNDING IS ANOTHER
SLEEPING THING.
00:23:29>> THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR --
>> HOWARD CALLIER SAID, THE
00:23:41DEMOCRATS PROMISE THEY ARE GOING
TO FIX THE SCHOOL FUNDING
00:23:45PROBLEM AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH
MONEY TO DO IT.
00:23:47POLITICS ARE TAKING MONEY FROM
ONE AREA TO ANOTHER.
00:23:52WHAT HE IMPLIED BECAUSE HE IS
NOT A HEARTLESS PERSON WAS TO
00:23:57UNDER PROMISE AND OVER PERFORM.
GOVERNORS HAVE TENDED TO
00:24:02OVERPROMISE AND UNDERPERFORM.
GOVERNOR KASICH HAS GOT HIMSELF
00:24:04IN THE SAME BOX BECAUSE HE IT --
HE ATTACKED THE PLAN WHICH WAS
00:24:09FAR FROM PERFECT BUT HE HAS NOT
PRODUCED SOMETHING.
00:24:11THE FINAL PROBLEM IS ON THE JOBS
ISSUE.
00:24:13I SAID EARLIER, GOVERNORS TAKE
TOO MUCH CREDIT WHEN THE JOBS IT
00:24:17SURE IS GOOD AND GET TOO MUCH
LAME WHEN IT IS BAD.
00:24:21I WOULD FILM GOVERNOR KASICH OR
TAPE HIM EVERY TIME HE TAKES
00:24:25CREDIT FOR THE CURRENT ECONOMY
AND IF IT SLIPS, PUT IT RIGHT
00:24:32BACK AT HIM.
THEY PROMISED YOU THIS IN AS
00:24:35LONG AS THE ECONOMY IS HOLDING
UP IT WILL BE HARD TO UNSEAT AN
00:24:39INCUMBENT GOVERNOR.
BUT IF IT DOES NOT OR IF THERE
00:24:43IS A CORRUPTION SCANDAL
ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THAT
00:24:44DEVELOPMENT MONEY VOTING AROUND,
YOU HAVE A POTENTIAL.
00:24:46WHAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO DO IS
HIDE IN THE BUSHES BUT BE READY
00:24:51TO SPRING WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY
RESENTS ITSELF.
00:24:53-- PRESENTS ITSELF.
>> OTHER THAN THAT IT STAYS WITH
00:25:02REPUBLICANS FOR A LONG TIME.
>> EVEN WITH ALL THE POLICY
00:25:06ISSUES AND SOME OF THE
CRITICISMS?
00:25:08>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> THE ONE THING THAT COULD
00:25:10CHANGE IT IS A CORRUPTION
SCANDAL.
00:25:11>> I AM ON RECORD WITH THAT.
THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT
00:25:16PEOPLE WILL NOT TOLERATE.
THEY WILL NOT TOLERATE
00:25:18CORRUPTION.
>> JOHN KASICH IS PERSONALLY A
00:25:23VERY HONEST PERSON.
YOU HAVE ZEALOTS AND PARTISAN
00:25:25ENVIRONMENTS, A VERY ZEALOT
ENVIRONMENT AND PEOPLE THINK
00:25:30THEY ARE HELPING BY CUTTING
CORNERS.
00:25:30THEY HAVE THIS POT OF MONEY THAT
IS NOT UNDER PUBLIC SCRUTINY.
00:25:34I PREDICT IT MAY NOT HAPPEN THIS
YEAR.
00:25:37IT MAY NOT HAPPEN NEXT YEAR.
AT SOME POINT YOU WILL HAVE A
00:25:42BIG SCANDAL WITH THAT SLUSH FUND
AND EVERYONE WILL SAY HOW COULD
00:25:45THAT HAPPEN?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:25:46AND THAT IS IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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