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00:00:01>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST OF "THE STATE OF OHIO"
00:00:04COMES FROM THE LAW OFFICES OF
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00:00:06LLP., HELPING BUSINESSES AND
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00:00:09PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO, ACROSS
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00:00:12-- ON THE WEB AT
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00:00:15AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
00:00:19121,000 TEACHERS, SUPPORT
PROFESSIONALS, AND HIGHER
00:00:21EDUCATION FACULTY COMMITTED TO
THE SUCCESS OF EVERY CHILD,
00:00:24ONLINE AT OHEA.ORG.
>> A HUGE SHAKEUP IN THE
00:00:29CAMPAIGN OF THE DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR.
00:00:32THE SCHOOL YEAR GETS UNDERWAY IN
OHIO, AS DO HEARINGS TO REPEAL
00:00:34THE STANDARDS KIDS WILL BE
TRYING TO REACH THIS YEAR.
00:00:37AND TWO REPUBLICANS SPAR OVER
SPANS, STREETS, AND
00:00:40SUPERHIGHWAYS.
WE'RE TALKING TRANSPORTATION,
00:00:42THIS WEEK ON "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:46CAPTIONED BY THE
NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE
00:00:51--WWW.NCICAP.ORG--
>> AFTER WEEKS OF BAD
00:00:56HEADLINES, LOW POLL NUMBERS, AND
DISAPPOINTING FUNDRAISING, THIS
00:00:59WEEK BROUGHT A MAJOR SHAKEUP IN
THE CAMPAIGN OF THE DEMOCRATIC
00:01:01CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR.
TWO TOP AIDES TO ED FITZGERALD
00:01:06LEFT EARLIER IN THE WEEK, WITH
MORE DEPARTURES TO FOLLOW.
00:01:10FITZGERALD HAS BEEN DOGGED BY
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 2012 POLICE
00:01:14REPORT SHOWING HE WAS FOUND IN A
DARK PARKING LOT IN THE EARLY
00:01:17MORNING HOURS WITH A WOMAN WHO
WAS A MEMBER OF A VISITING IRISH
00:01:20DELEGATION, AND ABOUT DRIVING
FOR NEARLY A DECADE WITHOUT
00:01:24HOLDING A PERMANENT DRIVER'S
LICENSE.
00:01:27FITZGERALD HAS STRUGGLED WITH
FUNDRAISING SINCE THE BEGINNING.
00:01:29AS OF THE LAST REPORTING PERIOD
A FEW WEEKS AGO, INCUMBENT
00:01:33REPUBLICAN JOHN KASICH HOLDS A
5-1 MONEY ADVANTAGE OVER
00:01:37FITZGERALD WITH MORE THAN $11
MILLION ON HAND COMPARED TO
00:01:41FITZGERALD'S NEARLY $2.5
MILLION.
00:01:43FITZGERALD HAS ADMITTED HE'S NOT
SURE IF THE CAMPAIGN WILL BE
00:01:46ABLE TO RUN ANOTHER T.V. AD.
AND THE LATEST QUINNIPIAC POLL
00:01:50HAS FITZGERALD DOWN 12 POINTS.
EARLY VOTING STARTS IN 50 DAYS.
00:01:56THOUGH FITZGERALD IS SAYING
PUBLICLY THAT HE DOESN'T FEEL
00:02:00THE PARTY HAS ABANDONED HIM,
THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS THAT
00:02:03DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOW TURNING
ITS ATTENTION TO THE DOWN-TICKET
00:02:05RACES.
WE REQUESTED AN INTERVIEW WITH
00:02:08FITZGERALD, AND HIS SPOKESPERSON
DECLINED.
00:02:10SHE SUGGESTED WE TALK WITH THE
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR THE
00:02:13FOUR OTHER EXECUTIVE OFFICES.
WHICH WE WILL BE DOING NEXT
00:02:16MONTH.
EACH SHOW IN SEPTEMBER WILL
00:02:19FEATURE INTERVIEWS WITH THE
DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGER AND THE
00:02:22REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT IN THE
RACES FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL,
00:02:24SECRETARY OF STATE, AUDITOR, AND
TREASURER.
00:02:27SO STAY TUNED.
A GROUP OF FAITH LEADERS STARTED
00:02:30A WEEK OF STATEHOUSE VIGILS TO
SHARE THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT
00:02:33THEY CALL DIVISIVE AND EXTREMIST
LEGISLATION THAT STATE LAWMAKERS
00:02:36ARE PUSHING.
REV. TIM AHRENS OF FIRST
00:02:40CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH, COLUMBUS,
APPEARED WITH LEADERS AND
00:02:43MEMBERS OF CHRISTIAN, JEWISH,
AND MUSLIM GROUPS WHO HAVE
00:02:47CONCERNS ABOUT LEGISLATION THEY
CONSIDER "DIVISIVE" AND
00:02:49"EXTREMIST."
THEY HOPE TO HOLD A WEEK OF
00:02:51PRAYER VIGILS AS PART OF THE
"MORAL WEEK OF ACTION," EACH DAY
00:02:56HIGHLIGHTING A DIFFERENT ISSUE
-- ECONOMIC JUSTICE, EQUAL
00:02:59PROTECTION, RACIAL AND SOCIAL
JUSTICE, AND WOMEN'S ISSUES
00:03:02AMONG THEM.
AS MANY OHIO STUDENTS STARTED
00:03:04THEIR FIRST WEEK OF CLASSES,
OPPONENTS OF THE COMMON CORE
00:03:08STANDARDS THOSE KIDS WILL BE
TAUGHT STARTED THEIR FIRST WEEK
00:03:11OF HEARINGS ON A BILL THAT WOULD
REPEAL THOSE STANDARDS.
00:03:14BEFORE THE HEARINGS STARTED, A
GROUP OF EDUCATORS AND SCHOOL
00:03:19ADMINISTRATORS HELD A PRESS
CONFERENCE AND DEFENDED THE
00:03:22COMMON CORE AS A
WELL-RESEARCHED, PROVEN SET OF
00:03:25BENCHMARKS THAT STILL ALLOW FOR
LOCAL SCHOOL BOARDS TO DETERMINE
00:03:28CURRICULUM THAT SUPPORTS THEM.
STEVE THOMPSON IS THE
00:03:31SUPERINTENDENT OF THE
WILLOUGHBY-EASTLAKE CITY SCHOOLS
00:03:33AND SAYS TEACHERS HAVE SPENT
THREE YEARS GETTING READY FOR
00:03:36THE COMMON CORE.
>> AND AFTER THREE YEARS I FEEL
00:03:40GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND
WHERE WE'RE MOVING
00:03:45.
YET WHAT APPEARS TO BE FROM LEFT
00:03:50FIELD WITH POTENTIALLY THROWING
OUT THREE YEARS OF PROFESSIONAL
00:03:54DEVELOPMENT.
>> ERIC GERMAN IS THE PRESIDENT
00:03:55OF THE LINCOLNVIEW LOCAL SCHOOL
BOARD IN VAN WERT COUNTY ON THE
00:03:58INDIANA BORDER AND SAYS THE
CLAIMS THAT COMMON CORE IS A
00:04:00FEDERAL TAKEOVER OF PUBLIC
EDUCATION AREN'T TRUE.
00:04:04>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN
MIND THAT DISTRICTS WANT THE
00:04:07ABILITY
TO MAINTAIN LOCAL CONTROL.
00:04:11COMMON CORE STANDARDS DO NOT
TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US.
00:04:17WE PICK THE CURRICULUM IN
CONJUNCTION WITH TEACHERS.
00:04:21THEY SIT ON THE COMMITTEES.
THEY HELP US SELECT THE
00:04:24CURRICULUM.
AS MY COLLEAGUES SHARED, WE JUST
00:04:28OVERHAULED THE MATH CURRICULUM
TO COME INTO IMPLANTS WITH THE
00:04:32STANDARDS.
YES, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT NEED
00:04:35TO BE DEALT WITH IN TERMS OF
CURRICULUM DELIVERY.
00:04:37BUT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THOSE.
>> BUT OPPONENTS SAY THE COMMON
00:04:40CORE IS AN UNTESTED, EXPENSIVE,
FEDERALLY-DICTATED SET OF
00:04:43STANDARDS THAT TAKE AWAY LOCAL
CONTROL FROM DISTRICT OFFICIALS,
00:04:46TEACHERS, AND PARENTS.
MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE TESTIFIED
00:04:49OVER THREE DAYS OF HEARINGS
FEATURING SUPPORTERS OF THE
00:04:52REPEAL BEFORE THE HOUSE RULES
AND REFERENCE COMMITTEE -- NOT
00:04:55THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE.
A PREVIOUS REPEAL BILL GOT ONE
00:04:59HEARING BEFORE EDUCATION CHAIR
GERALD STEBELTON OF LANCASTER
00:05:03SAID THAT THE MEASURE WOULDN'T
BE HEARD AGAIN IN HIS COMMITTEE,
00:05:06AND THAT AS LONG AS HE WAS
CHAIR, THERE WOULD BE COMMON
00:05:07CORE IN OHIO.
THE SPONSORS OF THIS REPEAL,
00:05:12REPS. ANDY THOMPSON OF MARIETTA
AND MATT HUFFMAN OF LIMA,
00:05:15TESTIFIED IN SUPPORT OF IT.
THEN HUFFMAN TOOK HIS PLACE AS
00:05:19COMMITTEE CHAIR AND THE HEARINGS
CONTINUED.
00:05:22ROSE STECHSHULTE IS A TEACHER IN
THE FORT JENNINGS IN NORTHWEST
00:05:26OHIO, AND HAS TAUGHT FOR MORE
THAN 20 YEARS.
00:05:28>> SCHOOLS ARE NOT FAILING.
SOCIETY IS
00:05:33.
WE DO NOT NEED PEOPLE IN OFFICES
00:05:39HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY TAKING
DECISIONS ABOUT THE WAY CHILDREN
00:05:42LEARN.
WE NEED TO STOP THIS FEDERAL
00:05:45TAKEOVER AND PUT OUR CHILDREN'S
EDUCATION BACK INTO THE HANDS OF
00:05:47THOSE POSES TO THEM.
I BELIEVE IN ACCOUNTABILITY.
00:05:50MINE AND MY STUDENTS.
HOWEVER, HARDER TESTS DO NOT
00:05:55MAKE KIDS SMARTER JUST AS
RAISING THE BAR DOES NOT MAKE
00:06:00KIDS JUMP HIGHER.
IT ONLY FRUSTRATES THEM.
00:06:02>> VIRGINIA MACK IS A RESIDENT
OF OTTAWA, ALSO IN NORTHWEST
00:06:05OHIO, AND CO-FOUNDED AN
ANTI-COMMON CORE GROUP THAT
00:06:07INCLUDES STECHSCHULTE.
>> I'M FIGHTING AGAINST COMMON
00:06:11CORE BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE
CONSEQUENCES
00:06:15OF THE NEW STANDARDS.
EVENTUALLY, OUR CHILDREN WILL
00:06:19HAVE TO BE TAUGHT
[INDISCERNIBLE]
00:06:21PARENTS AND LOCAL SCHOOLS WILL
HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THEIR
00:06:25CHILD'S EDUCATION.
LOCAL CONTROL WILL BE GONE.
00:06:28>> IF IT PASSES, THE REPEAL
WOULD ALLOW THE COMMON CORE TO
00:06:32CONTINUE FOR THIS SCHOOL YEAR.
THEN THE STATE WOULD IMPLEMENT
00:06:34STANDARDS USED IN MASSACHUSETTS
WHILE OHIO LEADERS CREATE A
00:06:37THIRD, ALL-NEW SET OF STANDARDS
IN 2017.
00:06:39THE BATTLE OVER COMMON CORE
STILL APPEARS TO BE AN
00:06:42INTRA-PARTY STRUGGLE FOR
REPUBLICANS.
00:06:45THOMPSON AND HUFFMAN, THE
SPONSORS OF THE REPEAL BILL, ARE
00:06:47REPUBLICANS.
MANY OF THOSE TESTIFYING
00:06:50IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS TEA
PARTY BACKERS.
00:06:52SOME HAD BEEN TEA PARTY
CANDIDATES FOR OFFICE.
00:06:56AND WHILE SPEAKER BILL
BATCHELDER HAS SUPPORTED THE
00:06:58HEARINGS, HE ADMITS THERE MAY
NOT BE ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS THE
00:07:02BILL IN THE HOUSE.
REPUBLICAN SENATE EDUCATION
00:07:05COMMITTEE CHAIR PEGGY LEHNER OF
KETTERING TOLD OUR ANDY CHOW
00:07:08THAT THIS BILL WOULD MEAN THREE
SETS OF STANDARDS IN FOUR YEARS.
00:07:13>> I JUST CAN'T EMPHASIZE HOW
MUCH, REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH ONE
00:07:17MIGHT FEEL ABOUT THE COMMON CORE
ITSELF, HOW TRULY DANGEROUS THIS
00:07:21LEGISLATION IS AS WRITTEN.
>> AND GOV. JOHN KASICH SAYS
00:07:26HE'S BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE
COMMON CORE AS WELL.
00:07:28AT A CAMPAIGN STOP IN
BEAVERCREEK THIS WEEK, HE
00:07:31WOULDN'T WEIGH IN ON THE REPEAL
BUT SAID HE SUPPORTS THE HEARING
00:07:34PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
>> IF THEY UNEARTH OR UNCOVER
00:07:38SOMETHING THAT I'M UNAWARE OF
THAT TAKES AWAY LOCAL CONTROL,
00:07:41THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT YET.
00:07:44I'VE SEEN THAT -- BUT I AM FOR
THE HIGHER STANDARDS.
00:07:47I AM FOR THE ADVISORY WORK OF
PARENTS THAT WORK WITH SCHOOL
00:07:51BOARDS.
WE'VE REAFFIRMED ALL OF THAT IN
00:07:55THE MBR, AND WE'VE DELAYED THE
TESTS.
00:07:59SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THE HEARINGS
PRODUCE.
00:08:04>> HE HAS SAID HE WANTS THE BALL
TO BE VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE
00:08:07THIS MONTH.
NO VOTE ON THE HOUSE FLOOR WOULD
00:08:10HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER THE NOVEMBER
ELECTION.
00:08:12THE SUMMER DRIVING SEASON IS
ALMOST OVER, BUT THERE'S NEVER
00:08:14REALLY AN END TO THE ATTENTION
PAID TO ROADS, BRIDGES, AND
00:08:19INFRASTRUCTURE IN OHIO.
THEY'RE ESSENTIAL TO DRIVERS AND
00:08:21TO THE ECONOMY, AND THEY'RE
EXPENSIVE TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN.
00:08:26FOR THE MOST PART, WE DON'T PAY
MUCH ATTENTION TO THEM UNLESS
00:08:29THEY'RE COVERED IN ORANGE
BARRELS, THEY COLLAPSE OR
00:08:31DEVELOP HOLES, THEY'RE
COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN, OR THEY'RE
00:08:33IMPLODED -- AS THE OLD I-90
INNERBELT BRIDGE IN CLEVELAND
00:08:36WAS LAST MONTH.
BUT THERE ARE KEY ISSUES TO TALK
00:08:39ABOUT IN TRANSPORTATION, WHICH
IS SO ESSENTIAL TO THE STATE
00:08:41THAT IT HAS ITS OWN BUDGET.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE
00:08:44ISSUES ARE TWO TRANSPORTATION
EXPERTS.
00:08:46REP. REX DAMSCHRODER IS A
REPUBLICAN FROM FREMONT AND IS
00:08:49THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE
TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
00:08:52GENE KREBS IS ALSO A REPUBLICAN
AND A FORMER STATE
00:08:55REPRESENTATIVE FROM WESTERN OHIO
WHO'S BEEN A TRANSPORTATION
00:08:58EXPERT FOR BOTH THE LAND-USE
THINK TANK GREATER OHIO AND NOW
00:09:02THE CENTER FOR COMMUNITY
SOLUTIONS.
00:09:07LET'S START WITH THE FEDERAL
HIGHWAY TRUST FUND WHICH TAKES
00:09:09GAS TAX REVENUE AND SENDS IT TO
STATES TO SUPPORT ROAD
00:09:14CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
IT RECENTLY GOT AN INFLUX OF $11
00:09:18BILLION WHEN A VOTE CAME THROUGH
THE SENATE RIGHT BEFORE CONGRESS
00:09:20LEFT TOWN FOR A BRIEF SUMMER
VACATION.
00:09:24YOU HAD SENATOR ROB PORTMAN
VOTING AGAINST IT SAYING IT IS A
00:09:31SHORT-TERM FIX AND HE WANTED A
LONGER-TERM OUTLOOK ON THAT.
00:09:32THE DEMOCRATIC SENATOR DID VOTE
FOR IT, BUT HE HAS ALSO CALLED
00:09:38FOR A LONGER-TERM FIX.
I WANT TO ASK YOU BOTH AS
00:09:41TRANSPORTATION EXPERTS, WHAT IS
THE LONGER-TERM FIX TO ADD
00:09:49STABILITY TO THE FUND THAT HELPS
PROP UP ROAD CONSTRUCTION
00:09:51PROJECTS IN OHIO?
IS IT THE GAS TAX NEEDS TO GO
00:09:54UP?
DO A NEED TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE
00:09:57TO REPLACE THE GAS TAX?
>> I THINK IT IS CLEAR.
00:10:00THE FEDERAL GAS TAX HAS NOT WENT
UP IN 20 YEARS.
00:10:04IT HAS BEEN OVER 20 YEARS.
IN THAT TIME, CARS ARE USING
00:10:08HALF THE FUEL.
THAT MEANS HALF THE TAX DOLLARS
00:10:11ARE COMING IN.
WE STILL HAVE THE SAME
00:10:13INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE ALSO HAVE THE INVENTION OF
00:10:17THE ELECTRIC CAR, THE HYBRID
CAR.
00:10:19THEY USE ALMOST NO FUEL WHICH
PAYS TAX, BUT THEY ARE STILL
00:10:24USING THE HIGHWAYS.
YOU GET THESE VEHICLES USING THE
00:10:29HIGHWAYS WITHOUT PAYING ANY
FUNDS.
00:10:30THE THIRD THING IS INFLATION.
LOOK AT THE INFLATION FOR 20
00:10:33YEARS.
IF YOU'RE KEEPING THE GAS TAX AT
00:10:37THE SAME PRICE, WE HAVE A LOT
FEWER DOLLARS TO FIX THE
00:10:41EXPANDING HIGHWAYS.
THAT HAS TO CHANGE.
00:10:44WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW IS A
BAND-AID APPROACH.
00:10:47I AGREE WE NEED A LONG-TERM
APPROACH ON THIS.
00:10:52THAT IS SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE.
ALTHOUGH I AM NOT FOR SHUTTING
00:10:57DOWN THE SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO
CONTINUE.
00:11:00THE ONLY WAY WE WILL SOLVE THE
PROBLEM IS GET MORE MONEY INTO
00:11:04THE SYSTEM TO BUILD MORE --
BETTER, KEEP AND MAINTAIN OUR
00:11:09HIGHWAYS AND KEEP THEM UP.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY TAX OR AREA
00:11:13YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK
AT, THE WHOLE COUNTRY?
00:11:15>> AS FAR AS INCOME, I THINK THE
MOST DIRECT TAX IS A GAS TAX.
00:11:21THERE IS OTHER WAYS YOU CAN TAX
HIGHWAYS.
00:11:24SOME PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT A
SALES TAX.
00:11:27THE PERSON THAT DOES NOT DRIVE,
WHY WOULD THEY HAVE TO PAY A
00:11:31SALES TAX?
WHY WOULD THEY WANT THAT TO GO
00:11:33TO THE HIGHWAY?
THERE ARE TOLLBOOTHS LIKE ON THE
00:11:37TURNPIKE.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BRIDGE
00:11:40IN CINCINNATI HAVING TOLLBOOTHS
TO PAY FOR THE BRIDGE.
00:11:41THAT IS THE DIRECT USER DRIVING
OVER IT.
00:11:45UNFORTUNATELY, WE GET TO STATES
LIKE OREGON.
00:11:51IN OREGON, THEY WANT TO PUT A
TRANSPONDER ON YOUR CAR SO THE
00:11:58GOVERNMENT KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE
YOU ARE AND HOW MANY MILES YOU
00:12:01DRIVE SO THEY CONTACT YOU ON THE
MILES YOU DRIVE WHETHER IT IS AN
00:12:03ELECTRIC CAR OR GAS GUZZLER.
I THINK THAT IS KIND OF BIG
00:12:07BROTHER INFRINGING BEYOND WHAT
WE WANT.
00:12:09I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOOD.
THERE ARE VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS
00:12:13YOU CAN TAX.
IN MY BOOK, THE MOST DIRECT
00:12:17METHOD TO TAX IS STILL ON FUEL
USAGE.
00:12:19YOU SAY, WHAT ABOUT ELECTRIC
CARS?
00:12:22THEY GET OFF FREE.
THEY ARE NOT GETTING OFF FREE.
00:12:25IF WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE GREEN
ENERGY, AND I THINK EVERYBODY
00:12:30WANTS TO ENCOURAGE GREEN ENERGY,
THE PURELY ELECTRIC CAR NOT
00:12:34USING FOSSIL FUELS, IF WE WANT
TO ENCOURAGE THAT, WE HAD BETTER
00:12:39NOT TAX RIGHT AWAY OR WE WILL
NEVER GET TO THAT POINT.
00:12:41KIND OF HOLD OFF UNTIL A LOT OF
ELECTRIC CARS ARE ON THE ROAD,
00:12:49THEN MAYBE BRING IN THE TAX.
AT THIS POINT, IF WE WANT TO
00:12:53ENCOURAGE GREEN ENERGY, WE
CANNOT TAX THEM TO DEATH AND
00:12:57KILL THE INDUSTRY BEFORE IT
STARTS.
00:12:58>> GENE KREBS, YOU'VE HAVE
TALKED ABOUT THESE PROPOSALS AND
00:13:02OTHERS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE
00:13:03DONE?
>> SENATOR PORTMAN IS VERY
00:13:07CONSISTENT.
IN THE LATE 1990'S, HE ALSO
00:13:10VOTED NO ON THE TRANSPORTATION
BILL.
00:13:11I ASKED HIM WHY.
HE SAID THERE WAS NO LONG-TERM
00:13:14PLAN FOR IT.
I THINK HE HAS BEEN CONSISTENT.
00:13:16I WANT TO COMMEND HIM FOR THAT.
TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASE IN
00:13:22THE GASOLINE TAX IS A FOOLS
ERRAND BECAUSE IN ORDER TO MAKE
00:13:26UP FOR THE LOST RICHES AND POWER
O-DOT IS CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING,
00:13:32YOU WOULD HAVE TO RAISE IT TWO
PENNIES A YEAR EVERY YEAR JUST
00:13:36TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
00:13:37THE OTHER THING IS WE USED TO --
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SERVED
00:13:45WITHIN REPRESENTATIVE JIM
MCGREGOR, WHO GOT BEAT PRIMARILY
00:13:50ON THE T.V. ADDS ABOUT THE GAS
TAX.
00:13:55IT USED TO BE YOU HAD TO MAKE A
TOUGH DECISION AND GO FOR A
00:14:01GASOLINE TAX.
EVERYBODY HAD A MUTUAL ASSURED
00:14:06DESTRUCTION CAUSE POLITICALLY
AND WOULD NOT ATTACK THE OTHER
00:14:09PARTY.
THE DEMOCRATS BROKE THAT.
00:14:10THEY WENT AFTER JIM MCGREGOR ON
THIS, AND HE LOST.
00:14:16BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU ARE NOT
GOING TO SEE ANY MEMBER OF THE
00:14:21GENERAL ASSEMBLY WILLING TO
CONTINUE THEIR POSITION ON
00:14:23EITHER SIDE TO VOTE FOR A GAS
TAX.
00:14:25>> THERE IS AN ANTITAX ELEMENT.
>> YEAH.
00:14:29THERE WAS A SOLUTION.
I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
00:14:34YES, I DO WORK FOR THE CENTER
FOR COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS.
00:14:39THIS IS SOMETHING I DO AS A
PRIVATE CITIZEN.
00:14:41AS GENE KREBS, PRIVATE CITIZEN,
I USED UP ALL MY CHIPS AND GOT
00:14:50INTO THE LAST O-DOT BUDGET A
LEGISLATIVE TASK FORCE TO LOOK
00:14:56AT THE PENDING FISCAL COLLAPSE.
IT IS NOT MET.
00:15:00NO MEMBERS HAVE BEEN NAMED TO
IT.
00:15:04THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS
RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
00:15:08IT IS LIKE THE 12 STEPS OF
GRIEVING.
00:15:11WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH IS
PERCEPTUAL BLINDNESS FROM A LOT
00:15:14OF PEOPLE.
I HAVE BEEN TELLING THEM THIS
00:15:18SINCE OCTOBER OF 2005, O-DOT AND
THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
00:15:24TRANSPORTATION ARE GOING BROKE.
EVERYBODY KEEPS LOOKING AT ME
00:15:25AND GOING, REALLY?
NOW WE HAVE PUMPED IN $50
00:15:32BILLION OF GENERAL FUND MONEY
INTO PROPPING UP THE U.S.
00:15:37HIGHWAY TRUST FUND ACCOUNT.
THAT COMES OUT TO ABOUT $4
00:15:44BILLION OF OHIO'S TAXPAYER
DOLLARS THAT HAVE GONE INTO
00:15:48THAT.
OK?
00:15:50THE LAST $10 BILLION THEY
RECENTLY PUMPED IN, THAT IS THE
00:15:58EQUIVALENT OF PULLING OUT OF THE
OHIO ECONOMY $400 MILLION.
00:16:00THAT IS QUITE IRONIC BECAUSE
THAT IS ALSO THE SAME AMOUNT OF
00:16:06MONEY I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE
PROTESTING ABOUT WITH THE
00:16:08MEDICAID EXPANSION AND THE
SO-CALLED LIGHT RAIL PROJECT.
00:16:12IN OTHER WORDS, THE
PHILOSOPHICALLY CONSISTENT.
00:16:17IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE AGAINST
THE MEDICAID EXPANSION AND LIGHT
00:16:20RAIL, YOU ALSO NEED TO HAVE BEEN
AGAINST THIS RECENT BAILOUT BY
00:16:26THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION.
00:16:27>> THE ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT
THE BRIDGE IN CLEVELAND IS BEING
00:16:34REBUILT.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE ECONOMY
00:16:35WITHOUT THOSE?
>> I WILL GIVE YOU A PRIME
00:16:38EXAMPLE.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PROJECT IN
00:16:40CENTRAL OHIO CALLED THE I-70-71
SPLIT.
00:16:46IT IS A $1.5 BILLION PROJECT.
IT IS GETTING ABOUT 20,000 CARS
00:16:52OFF THAT ROAD -- ON THAT ROAD
EVERY DAY FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES.
00:16:58IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH A
DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY TO GET
00:17:03THOSE 20,000 CARS AND PEOPLE
SOMEPLACE ELSE IN A DIFFERENT
00:17:09MANNER AND EVERYTHING, YOU WOULD
BE FINE.
00:17:10I HAVE TO COMMEND THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
00:17:13I HAVE ALWAYS ADVOCATED FOR
MONETIZING THE TURNPIKE BECAUSE
00:17:22YOU HAVE LOTS OF UGLY CHOICES TO
MAKE.
00:17:23IT IS THE LEAST UGLY OF ALL THE
UGLY CHOICES.
00:17:26THEY HAVE DONE THAT.
MY DISAPPOINTMENT IS DIRECTOR
00:17:30RAY SAYS THAT IS GOOD FOR SIX TO
10 YEARS, AND I AM FINE WITH
00:17:35THAT.
ALL THAT HAS DONE IS BUY YOU SIX
00:17:37TO 10 YEARS OF BREATHING ROOM.
YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT
00:17:42AND ACTIVELY PURSUING OTHER
OPTIONS.
00:17:44IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAX TESLA,
YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO TAX THEM
00:17:50NOW.
IF YOU WAIT UNTIL THERE ARE
00:17:53SEVERAL THOUSAND ON THE ROAD AND
SUDDENLY START TAXING THEM AT
00:17:56$500 A YEAR, THEY ARE GOING TO
BE VERY UNHAPPY.
00:18:00THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DOES NOT
LIKE TAKING UNPOPULAR STANCES.
00:18:05>> THAT COULD KILL AN INDUSTRY
BEFORE IT STARTS.
00:18:08>> IT WON'T KILL THE INDUSTRY.
>> IT WILL COME TO OHIO IF WE
00:18:12TAX IT.
>> IT IS A TAX THAT WOULD HAVE
00:18:16NO IMPACT ON THE INDUSTRY.
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS NOT EVEN
00:18:22WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE
LARGER ISSUE.
00:18:23WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE
TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT THIS.
00:18:25NO MEMBERS HAVE BEEN APPOINTED.
THE REPORT IS DUE DECEMBER 15,
00:18:312014, IN JUST A FEW MONTHS, AND
NOBODY HAS MET YET ON IT.
00:18:35>> ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS
BESIDE A GAS TAX?
00:18:38ARE OPTIONS LIKE COMMUTER RAIL
OR LIGHT RAIL?
00:18:41>> I DON'T SEE THAT.
I THINK THE GAS TAX IS THE MOST
00:18:45DIRECT TAX.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T BUY
00:18:48GAS.
IT IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
00:18:51PEOPLE DO BUY GAS, USE THE
ROADS, AND WANTED ROADS.
00:18:55IF WE WERE JUST ADJUST FOR
INFLATION OVER THE LAST 20
00:18:59YEARS, THAT WOULD GET US INTO
REAL DOLLARS WE COULD SPEND.
00:19:02>> IF GENE'S MATH IS RIGHT,
THIS WOULD BE AN INCREASE PEOPLE
00:19:12WOULD SEE EVERY DAY.
>> IT LOOKS BAD.
00:19:13BUT I WANT TO USE THE ROAD.
I WILL BUY THE GAS BECAUSE I
00:19:18WANT A GOOD ROAD.
I SEE THIS SO OFTEN IN
00:19:21LEGISLATION.
THEY ALWAYS PUT IN A FIXED
00:19:24AMOUNT.
THIS IS A $5 MILLION PROJECT OR
00:19:28$10 MILLION AND IT IS AN ONGOING
PROJECT, BUT IT IS NEVER
00:19:34ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION.
IN 10 YEARS, THAT WILL BE
00:19:36PEANUTS.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESCALATED
00:19:39CALLS WITH INFLATION IN THE GAS
TAX.
00:19:41BECAUSE OF NO PRIOR PLANNING, IT
NEVER HAD THE ESCALATOR CLAUSE.
00:19:45>> THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS NOT
EVEN WILLING TO LOOK AT THE
00:19:50ISSUE.
I AM NOT OPTIMISTIC OF THEM
00:19:52TAKING ANYTHING AS RADICAL AS
WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
00:19:54I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
TAKE AN AGNOSTIC VIEW OF MOVING
00:20:02PEOPLE AND GOODS IN THE MOST
COST-EFFECTIVE AND SAFE MANNER.
00:20:04WHETHER THAT IS BY CAR, TRUCK,,
RAIL BARGE, BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN.
00:20:10MILLENNIALS -- HERE IS THE OTHER
PROBLEM YOU HAVE NOT MENTIONED.
00:20:18MILLENNIALS BY SOME ESTIMATIONS,
THEY'RE DRIVING HAS DECLINED 25%
00:20:26OVER PREVIOUS PEER GROUPS ON A
YEAR-TO-YEAR BASIS.
00:20:28THE LONGER WE GO ON WITH THIS,
TRYING TO RAISE THE GASOLINE TAX
00:20:36TO SOLVE THIS IS SIMPLY NOT
GOING TO BE A PRODUCTIVE
00:20:39EXERCISE FOR YOU.
>> HOW CAN YOU FIX A BRIDGE
00:20:42WITHOUT HAVING MORE MONEY?
>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START
00:20:46TAKING OTHER TOUGH CHOICES AS TO
HOW YOU ALLOCATE FUNDS AND
00:20:51CHOOSE TO MOVE PEOPLE.
HOW YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE PEOPLE
00:20:54AND GOODS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A
FIRST ASSUMPTION BY CAR OR
00:21:00TRUCK.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
00:21:02AFFORD TO PAY FOR THAT IN THE
FUTURE.
00:21:04THE QUESTION IS, ARE THERE
LOWER-COST ALTERNATIVES FOR YOU
00:21:09TO DO SO?
WILL THEY APPLY IN ALL
00:21:11SITUATIONS?
>> YOU SAY MILLENNIALS ARE
00:21:16DRIVING LESS.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER
00:21:19OPTION SUCH AS LIGHT RAIL, WON'T
THEY EVENTUALLY COME BACK TO THE
00:21:24CAR?
>> THEY WILL COME BACK TO A
00:21:27PLACE CALLED SAN FRANCISCO,
BOSTON, NEW YORK.
00:21:29FOR REASONS I CANNOT DETERMINE
YET, THEY LOOK CROSS EYED AT
00:21:35OWNING A CAR.
I THINK IT IS THE EXPENSE.
00:21:38THEY LOOK AT THE HASSLE OF IT.
THEY ARE INTO SOMETHING CALLED
00:21:43UBER.
IF YOU NEED A CAR OR RIDE, YOU
00:21:48RENT IT FOR THE DAY.
>> CITIES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
00:21:52UBER AND INSURANCE.
>> IN RURAL OHIO, IF YOU DON'T
00:21:58HAVE A CAR YOU DON'T GO TO WORK.
YOU DON'T LIVE.
00:22:00THE WAY OHIO HAS DEVELOPED, WE
ARE IN A ONE CAR/ONE PERSON
00:22:07SOCIETY.
LIGHT RAIL WON'T DO ME ANY GOOD.
00:22:11>> THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS I
HANDED TO YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO
00:22:19GO AHEAD AND BEGIN A DISCUSSION
ON HOW TO FIX THIS.
00:22:21I DID IT IN THE PREVIOUS BUDGET.
THE SENATE TOOK IT OUT.
00:22:25THIS TIME --
>> THEY FORGOT.
00:22:29[LAUGHTER]
>> THEY OVERLOOKED AT THIS TIME.
00:22:32ALL RIGHT?
THE PROBLEM IS YOU NEED TO START
00:22:36EDUCATING PEOPLE.
YES, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
00:22:39MONETIZING THE TURNPIKE WAS OF
ALL THE UGLY CHOICES YOUR LEAST
00:22:47UGLY.
ALL YOUR OTHER CHOICES ARE EVEN
00:22:50UGLIER.
REPRESENTATIVES ARE NOT GOING
00:23:00TO VOTE FOR A GAS TAX BECAUSE OF
WHAT HAPPENED TO FORMER
00:23:03REPRESENTATIVE JIM MCGREGOR.
AS YOU MOVE DOWN THIS PATH, YOUR
00:23:08POLICY OPTIONS ARE EXTREME THE
CONSTRAINED.
00:23:10>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
LEGISLATURE COULD DO TO ADDRESS
00:23:16SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS?
WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP TO TRY TO
00:23:20GET PEOPLE CONCERNED?
YOU HAVE A STUDY THAT SAID LAST
00:23:22MONTH 15% OF OHIO'S PUBLIC ROADS
ARE IN POOR CONDITION.
00:23:281/4 OF THE STATE BRIDGES ARE
STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT OR
00:23:34OBSOLETE.
THERE IS A PROBLEM.
00:23:34>> I JUST DROVE ACROSS THE STATE
LAST WEEK.
00:23:38I DID NOT SEE MANY BAD ROADS AND
BRIDGES.
00:23:42I DRIVE ON THEM EVERY DAY.
EVERYTHING CAN USE MONEY.
00:23:45WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.
I DON'T THINK WE ARE AS BAD AS
00:23:50IT IS IN MICHIGAN.
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
00:23:51AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I REALIZE
AN INFRASTRUCTURE GOES DOWN, I
00:23:57HAVE GOT TO FIX IT.
THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR
00:23:59DOLLARS AND CENTS.
IT COSTS MONEY TO FIX IT.
00:24:00WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A
SOLUTION.
00:24:03THERE IS NO FAIRY TO TAKE CARE
OF THE ROADS AND BRIDGES.
00:24:07IT COSTS US MONEY.
THE MOST DIRECT USAGE FEE, DON'T
00:24:13CALL IT A TAX, A USER'S FEE, IF
YOU WANT TO USE THE HIGHWAY, YOU
00:24:18HAVE TO PAY FOR THE HIGHWAY.
THE MOST DIRECT RIGHT NOW IS
00:24:21WITH THE FUEL TAX.
CALL IT A TAX IF YOU WANT.
00:24:23I WANT TO PAY THE BILL IF I WANT
TO USE THE HIGHWAY.
00:24:26I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE ON CRAPPY
HIGHWAYS.
00:24:29>> WILL THE LEGISLATURE GO ALONG
WITH THAT?
00:24:33>> PROBABLY NOT.
I AGREE WITH MR. KREBS.
00:24:36THE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT THERE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF LEGISLATORS
00:24:42WITHOUT THE GUTS TO SUPPORT IT
IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A TAX OR
00:24:49A USER FEE.
IT COSTS MONEY TO MAINTAIN THE
00:24:52HIGHWAY.
WE NEED GOOD INFRASTRUCTURE.
00:24:53IF WE WANT TO ATTRACT BUSINESS,
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE
00:24:58INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO IT.
THAT COST MONEY.
00:24:59IF WE CANNOT GET IT FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND WE PAID
00:25:02WAY TOO MUCH, OHIO IS A DONOR
STATE AS FAR AS SENDING MONEY TO
00:25:09WASHINGTON AND GETTING MONEY
BACK ON OUR HIGHWAYS.
00:25:10I THINK THAT TO BE CHANGED.
WE COULD GET MORE MONEY BACK.
00:25:13THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE
RESTRUCTURE WE NEED, THE MOST
00:25:21DIRECT WAY TO PAY FOR IT IS WITH
A GAS TAX.
00:25:22EVEN IF WE ADJUST FOR INFLATION
AND ELECTRA CARS, WE WILL HAVE
00:25:28MORE MONEY IN THE COFFERS.
WE ARE JUST TAKING CARE OF THE
00:25:31BILL AS IT COMES TO.
>> WE WILL HAVE TO SPEND IT MORE
00:25:34INTELLIGENTLY.
THE STATUS QUO CANNOT BE ALLOWED
00:25:36TO CONTINUE.
IF YOU JUST GIVE THEM ANOTHER
00:25:42SOURCE OF REVENUE WITHOUT
PUTTING IT UNDER A DIFFERENT
00:25:45DYNAMIC OF HOW IS SPENT, YOU
WILL SEE MORE OF THE SAME.
00:25:47>> I AGREE WITH THAT.
>> THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING
00:25:51HERE.
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