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Opponents show up but stay quiet in the first hearing for a controversial bill about university policies. And a conversation with a former congressman many Democrats are hoping can help them win statewide again. Tim Ryan (D) is interviewed.

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00:00:38	opponents show up,
00:00:38	but stay quiet.
00:00:40	In the first hearing
00:00:41	for a controversial bill
00:00:41	about university policies
00:00:45	and a conversation
00:00:45	with the former
00:00:46	congressman, many Democrat
00:00:46	are hoping can help them win
00:00:49	statewide again, that's this
00:00:49	week in the state of Ohio.
00:01:10	Just.
00:01:11	Welcome to the state of Ohio.
00:01:13	I'm Karen Kasler.
00:01:14	The bill that conservatives
00:01:14	say will strike back
00:01:17	against what they view
00:01:17	as liberal indoctrination
00:01:19	on public university
00:01:19	campuses in Ohio,
00:01:21	got its first
00:01:21	hearing this week.
00:01:23	And as they did in the last
00:01:24	session, opponents turned out
00:01:24	and were silent but visible.
00:01:28	Senate Bill one would ban
00:01:28	most diversity, equity
00:01:31	and inclusion
00:01:32	programs at universities
00:01:32	and block faculty strikes,
00:01:35	along with promoting
00:01:35	what Republicans
00:01:37	call intellectual diversity.
00:01:39	Opponents packed into the room
00:01:39	wearing anti
00:01:41	Senate bill one t shirts
00:01:41	and tape over their mouths
00:01:44	as sponsoring Senator Jerry
00:01:44	Serino outlined the bill,
00:01:47	which he did last week
00:01:47	on this show.
00:01:49	The bill is considered
00:01:50	a top priority
00:01:50	of Senate Republicans,
00:01:52	who say it was vetted
00:01:52	last session
00:01:54	and could come up for a vote
00:01:54	very soon.
00:01:56	several state lawmakers,
00:01:56	Republicans and Democrats
00:02:00	are preparing a bill
00:02:00	that's been introduced
00:02:00	every two years since 2011,
00:02:04	but this time
00:02:04	with a new twist.
00:02:05	The bill announced this week
00:02:05	would ban executions,
00:02:08	but would also reaffirm
00:02:08	existing bans on state funds
00:02:12	going toward
00:02:12	physician assisted suicide,
00:02:14	which is illegal,
00:02:14	or to abortion,
00:02:16	which is already outlawed
00:02:16	under state law.
00:02:19	The bill's sponsor say it's
00:02:19	an exercise in compromise,
00:02:22	but abortion
00:02:22	advocates are not happy,
00:02:24	especially after Ohioans voted
00:02:25	to protect abortion access
00:02:25	in 2023.
00:02:29	Auditor Keith
00:02:29	Faber has announced a move
00:02:30	it's been long expected.
00:02:32	He's running
00:02:32	for attorney general in 2026,
00:02:34	and the latest move among term
00:02:36	limited
00:02:36	Republican officeholders.
00:02:38	Faber
00:02:38	stressed the law enforcement
00:02:39	part of the job
00:02:39	in his announcement video,
00:02:42	but also says
00:02:42	protecting Ohioans in consumer
00:02:42	lawsuits is important.
00:02:46	Faber is the first candidate
00:02:46	from either party
00:02:48	to formally announce
00:02:48	a run for attorney general.
00:02:50	If he's elected,
00:02:50	he would be the second auditor
00:02:52	in a row to move immediately
00:02:52	into the AG's office.
00:02:55	Dave Yost, who's now running
00:02:56	for the Republican nomination
00:02:56	for governor,
00:02:59	was elected in 2018
00:02:59	after two terms as auditor.
00:03:03	One person many Democrats
00:03:03	hope will consider a campaign
00:03:06	in 2026
00:03:06	is the one who lost the U.S.
00:03:09	Senate race in 2022 to now
00:03:09	Vice President JD Vance.
00:03:13	Tim Ryan is a ten term former
00:03:15	congressman
00:03:15	from the Mahoning Valley,
00:03:17	following the notorious Jim
00:03:17	Traficant into that office.
00:03:20	Ryan occasionally
00:03:20	stood at odds with the party.
00:03:23	He ran against Nancy Pelosi
00:03:23	for U.S.
00:03:25	House speaker in 2016 and
00:03:25	briefly for president in 2019.
00:03:30	Ryan is considered a moderate,
00:03:30	but is a somewhat divisive
00:03:33	figure among more left
00:03:33	leaning Democrats
00:03:36	who don't like the work he's
00:03:36	doing now
00:03:37	for the natural gas
00:03:37	and cryptocurrency industries.
00:03:41	I talk with Tim
00:03:41	Ryan about his future
00:03:42	and the future of the Ohio
00:03:42	Democratic Party.
00:03:45	Well,
00:03:45	we got to get off the culture
00:03:47	wars. We've got to get away
00:03:48	from kind of a sole
00:03:48	focus on wokeism.
00:03:52	And you got to get back
00:03:52	to the bread and butter of,
00:03:55	what I grew up in
00:03:55	outside of Youngstown, Ohio.
00:03:59	I thought a Democrat was
00:03:59	and that was economics.
00:04:02	That was jobs and wages
00:04:02	and unions and pensions.
00:04:05	But I think there's
00:04:05	a new element to this now
00:04:08	is that the Democratic Party
00:04:08	has got to become
00:04:11	the party of reform.
00:04:13	You know,
00:04:13	these systems are broken
00:04:15	health care,
00:04:15	immigration, education,
00:04:19	economic inequality,
00:04:19	globalization,
00:04:22	like it's broken,
00:04:22	the whole damn thing.
00:04:25	And so we were seen
00:04:25	as the incumbent party,
00:04:29	which, of course we were,
00:04:31	and not really attentive
00:04:31	to those issues.
00:04:33	That's why I thought that Elon
00:04:33	Musk piece was very strong,
00:04:37	that Trump brought up the Doge
00:04:37	and the government reform.
00:04:40	You know,
00:04:40	you go back to Bill Clinton.
00:04:42	He had a reinventing
00:04:42	government
00:04:44	plank in his platform
00:04:44	that he featured.
00:04:46	Like, this is broken.
00:04:46	It's not working for you.
00:04:48	We get it and we need to
00:04:48	do something about it.
00:04:50	And so until the Democrats
00:04:50	become the party of reform,
00:04:54	I think it's going
00:04:55	to be a while before they can
00:04:55	get back, especially in Ohio.
00:04:59	I think
00:04:59	you and Sherrod Brown got
00:04:59	compared a lot to each other.
00:05:03	He also endorsed you in 2022.
00:05:05	He is
00:05:06	he was elected
00:05:06	three times statewide
00:05:08	with Republicans
00:05:08	on the ballot, though
00:05:09	never on the same ballot
00:05:09	with Trump
00:05:10	until this last time.
00:05:12	Why do you think your campaign
00:05:12	in 2022 and his campaign
00:05:15	this year,
00:05:15	your blue collar populace
00:05:17	focusing on working
00:05:17	class voters?
00:05:19	You called them
00:05:19	the exhausted majority.
00:05:22	Why didn't that resume
00:05:22	resonate with Ohio voters?
00:05:26	Well,
00:05:26	I think a couple things. One.
00:05:28	We were up
00:05:28	three points in my race.
00:05:29	We were up three points
00:05:29	at Labor Day and got zero
00:05:33	help from, the
00:05:33	the National Democrat Party.
00:05:37	And JD Vance got $50 million
00:05:37	and we just could not keep up.
00:05:41	But we had a winning formula
00:05:41	and that was the economics
00:05:45	and all the rest.
00:05:46	But I think the national brand
00:05:46	of Democrats sank.
00:05:50	Sherrod Brown sank.
00:05:51	Bob Casey sank me.
00:05:54	They the national brand
00:05:54	is an echo chamber
00:05:57	of lobbyists,
00:05:57	consultants, politicians who,
00:06:02	you know, are 70
00:06:02	and 80 years old
00:06:04	and have no clue what someone
00:06:04	living down the Ohio River
00:06:08	or in southern Ohio or working
00:06:08	class Niles, Ohio, where
00:06:11	I'm from, are going through
00:06:11	and the perception
00:06:15	that we're going to die
00:06:15	on these culture war hills.
00:06:18	And, you know,
00:06:18	I'll give you one example.
00:06:20	You know, the Social Security
00:06:20	fix, that Sherrod
00:06:24	Brown and I pushed for years
00:06:24	and years.
00:06:27	Schumer passed
00:06:27	that after the election.
00:06:30	You know, I mean, like,
00:06:30	what are we doing?
00:06:32	You know, like,
00:06:32	is it just the idea
00:06:34	that the working class
00:06:34	don't matter?
00:06:36	And I always got ten
00:06:36	people used to try to pin me
00:06:38	and say, all Tim
00:06:38	Ryan talks about is,
00:06:41	you know, working class.
00:06:42	And what he really means
00:06:42	is white working class,
00:06:44	I mean, working class, white,
00:06:44	black, brown, gay, straight.
00:06:48	It doesn't matter if you're
00:06:48	working man or woman.
00:06:51	If you're working,
00:06:51	Democrats need to be for you.
00:06:54	And what we saw
00:06:55	in this last election is black
00:06:55	working class voters
00:06:59	go to Trump, Brown working
00:06:59	class voters go to Trump.
00:07:02	So it's not that
00:07:02	they necessarily wanted to.
00:07:05	They just identified
00:07:06	that he was going to address
00:07:06	their economic insecurity way
00:07:10	better than the Democrats.
00:07:11	And they had to look
00:07:11	past a lot of stuff
00:07:14	to get to that point.
00:07:15	And they did,
00:07:15	because economics is number
00:07:18	one in their life.
00:07:19	It's what they deal
00:07:19	with every single day.
00:07:21	And so they voted for
00:07:21	Trump for those very reasons.
00:07:24	And you're not
00:07:24	the first person to say this.
00:07:26	I mean, I'm
00:07:27	thinking back 2016,
00:07:27	when former Mahoning County,
00:07:30	Democratic Party
00:07:30	chair Dave Beatrice
00:07:32	included you on a letter
00:07:32	that he said about
00:07:34	warning the party
00:07:34	that Hillary Clinton
00:07:36	was going to lose Ohio
00:07:36	and Michigan
00:07:38	and these other states
00:07:38	because of the messaging.
00:07:41	I just talked to him recently.
00:07:42	He says the messaging
00:07:42	is still broken.
00:07:45	He says Democrats
00:07:45	talk down to people with words
00:07:47	like fascist and racist,
00:07:47	but they
00:07:50	how do you expect
00:07:50	to get voters that way?
00:07:52	Is the messaging broken,
00:07:53	or is there a real problem
00:07:53	with the messaging?
00:07:55	But, Beau, I mean, it's
00:07:55	all it's all broken.
00:07:58	And you remember
00:07:59	and it's not coincidental
00:07:59	that the Mahoning County
00:08:02	Democratic Party chair in 2016
00:08:02	and the congressman
00:08:05	from the Mahoning
00:08:05	Valley in 2016,
00:08:07	I ran against Nancy Pelosi for
00:08:07	Democratic leader that year.
00:08:11	We were on the this
00:08:12	we were not use a Sherrod
00:08:12	Brown term,
00:08:14	but the canary
00:08:14	in the coal mine.
00:08:15	We were saying like,
00:08:15	look, this is
00:08:17	this is going to come back
00:08:17	and haunt us.
00:08:20	And nobody wanted to listen.
00:08:21	We got isolated.
00:08:22	You know, we got shamed
00:08:24	at gaslit the whole nine yards
00:08:24	for the next eight years.
00:08:28	And basically we were just
00:08:28	saying, like we saw
00:08:31	Youngstown in the Mahoning
00:08:31	Valley was really
00:08:34	kind of a precursor
00:08:36	to what was happening
00:08:36	around the country.
00:08:38	And so we have been on it,
00:08:38	I think, before other people
00:08:41	did and to to go around and,
00:08:41	you know,
00:08:44	and I think the President
00:08:44	Biden was out of touch,
00:08:48	even some of the stuff
00:08:48	that he did really well,
00:08:51	he couldn't articulate
00:08:51	in the fact that he ran
00:08:54	again, was was tragic
00:08:54	for everybody involved.
00:08:57	You know, look,
00:08:58	we're re industrializing chip
00:09:00	manufacturing here
00:09:00	in Columbus.
00:09:02	There's an auto plant,
00:09:02	battery
00:09:04	plant outside of Youngstown,
00:09:04	in Lordstown,
00:09:07	2000 auto workers
00:09:07	making 30 bucks an hour
00:09:10	like we are re
00:09:10	industrializing.
00:09:12	It's why the energy demand
00:09:12	is going up.
00:09:15	And all of this has happened
00:09:16	because of the re
00:09:16	industrialization,
00:09:19	policy of Biden.
00:09:20	But we're sitting here
00:09:20	talking about bathrooms
00:09:23	and you know, and men and boys
00:09:23	playing girls sports
00:09:27	and all of this stuff
00:09:27	that really for 99%
00:09:31	of the people in the country,
00:09:31	it's it's not relevant
00:09:34	to their own well-being,
00:09:34	their own, you know, concern
00:09:39	that they have every day.
00:09:40	And when you miss that,
00:09:42	you're going to lose
00:09:42	a lot of voters.
00:09:43	And really ultimately,
00:09:43	that's what happens.
00:09:46	argument could be made that
00:09:47	it's Republicans
00:09:47	who have really driven this,
00:09:49	because they've been the ones
00:09:49	that have been
00:09:50	passing these bills
00:09:50	and that sort of thing.
00:09:52	But, they're the ones
00:09:52	who have been talking
00:09:54	about the culture war issues
00:09:54	rather than Democrats.
00:09:56	Democrats are want to talk
00:09:56	about other things.
00:09:58	But Republicans
00:09:58	drove the conversation.
00:10:00	Yeah,
00:10:00	I have an opinion about that.
00:10:02	I think they do.
00:10:04	And you know why they do?
00:10:06	Because we engage on that
00:10:06	level on that issue with them.
00:10:11	And then we go to all
00:10:11	the reasons why they're bad
00:10:14	and we're right.
00:10:15	And then the whole argument
00:10:15	becomes about, those issues
00:10:20	as opposed to saying,
00:10:20	you're wrong.
00:10:24	This is why.
00:10:25	But you're not focused on
00:10:25	what's most important in the
00:10:28	right back on, you know,
00:10:28	bringing back manufacturing
00:10:32	and making things again
00:10:32	and helping small business.
00:10:34	And how do we grow the pie
00:10:34	instead of talk
00:10:37	about redistribution
00:10:37	and just hating rich people
00:10:39	and giving money to
00:10:39	to poor people, it's
00:10:41	about growing the pie
00:10:41	and building the middle class.
00:10:44	But no, we stay in that fight
00:10:44	and then that fight,
00:10:47	you know,
00:10:47	it gets
00:10:48	amplified on social media and
00:10:48	then it gets back up on TV.
00:10:52	And then next thing you know,
00:10:53	the Democrats are on the wrong
00:10:53	side of social issues,
00:10:56	with,
00:10:56	you know,
00:10:56	80% of the American people,
00:10:59	instead of
00:10:59	being the one saying,
00:11:00	why do you keep talking about
00:11:00	this instead of talking about
00:11:04	what most people
00:11:04	are concerned with?
00:11:06	And those are
00:11:06	those pocketbook issues,
00:11:08	and how do
00:11:08	we put money in their pocket?
00:11:10	I think a lot of people
00:11:10	have been talking about you
00:11:12	as a possible
00:11:12	statewide candidate,
00:11:14	and apparently
00:11:15	there are reports
00:11:15	that you've been in touch
00:11:16	with some big name
00:11:16	Democratic strategists
00:11:18	such as James Carville
00:11:18	and David Axelrod.
00:11:20	Are you considering
00:11:20	running statewide in 2026?
00:11:23	I'm really not sure.
00:11:24	I mean, I was talking to them
00:11:24	all throughout the election
00:11:27	in the past couple of years,
00:11:28	and I've got got to know them
00:11:28	20 years in Congress.
00:11:31	And we were some of the few
00:11:33	who were saying Biden
00:11:33	shouldn't run.
00:11:34	So we were in contact a lot.
00:11:37	And they've become very good
00:11:37	friends over the years.
00:11:40	But I really don't
00:11:40	have any idea.
00:11:41	It's January.
00:11:42	I don't know,
00:11:42	I really like my life,
00:11:45	and I know it sounds corny
00:11:45	and cheesy,
00:11:46	but I'm like,
00:11:46	coaching my ten year old,
00:11:49	you know, football team and
00:11:49	basketball team, and I just.
00:11:52	I absolutely love it.
00:11:53	20 years in Congress,
00:11:53	I miss a lot.
00:11:56	I love my life right now.
00:11:57	You know,
00:11:57	I love this family time.
00:11:59	And so getting back
00:11:59	in, it's like,
00:12:01	oh man, isn't this
00:12:01	the stress level
00:12:05	and the pressure
00:12:05	and the travel
00:12:07	and the time away from home?
00:12:09	It grinds on you.
00:12:10	So I'm enjoying where I'm at,
00:12:12	you know,
00:12:12	we'll see how things play out.
00:12:13	Who knows?
00:12:15	You know, still in ball,
00:12:15	still commenting and still
00:12:18	talking to people like you,
00:12:18	which I enjoy.
00:12:20	And we'll see what happens.
00:12:22	But, you know,
00:12:22	wherever the Democrats go,
00:12:25	it's got to be reform.
00:12:26	The current brand of the
00:12:26	Democratic Party is so toxic
00:12:30	and the
00:12:30	the voice is so narrow,
00:12:33	that we need some big changes.
00:12:34	So I'll be help
00:12:34	in any way I can,
00:12:37	whether it's running
00:12:37	for office or not.
00:12:39	But to be clear,
00:12:39	you're not ruling it out.
00:12:41	No, no. Not really.
00:12:43	I've been around
00:12:43	too long to rule it out.
00:12:45	I don't want you to come back
00:12:45	to me and say I like the,
00:12:48	You know, people
00:12:48	are calling me all the time.
00:12:50	And, look, I just ran
00:12:50	a really great race.
00:12:53	Like I said, we were up on JD
00:12:53	Vance
00:12:55	by three points that Labor Day
00:12:55	and got no help from DC.
00:12:59	And we spent a lot of money.
00:13:01	You know, we spent,
00:13:03	you know, tens
00:13:03	of millions of dollars on TV.
00:13:05	So I still got name ID,
00:13:05	I still get,
00:13:07	you know,
00:13:07	bothered at the Costco
00:13:07	in the grocery store
00:13:10	from people
00:13:10	I've never met, but,
00:13:12	you know, so there's a lot of
00:13:12	I think,
00:13:15	a lot of built up goodwill
00:13:15	there, an opportunity there,
00:13:18	whether I
00:13:18	take it or not, I don't know.
00:13:21	I know you said
00:13:21	that they're your friends,
00:13:23	but are these
00:13:23	the kind of strategists
00:13:25	who can win
00:13:25	in this environment?
00:13:27	I mean, you said that
00:13:28	the party is being dominated
00:13:28	by consultants
00:13:31	who are old
00:13:31	and kind of out of touch.
00:13:33	Are those folks
00:13:33	the kind of people
00:13:34	who could beat up a bank?
00:13:36	Ramaswamy
00:13:36	and Dave Yost, a John Houston?
00:13:39	Oh, yeah.
00:13:39	Well,
00:13:40	the problem is
00:13:42	the Democrats are paying
00:13:42	a lot of people a lot of money
00:13:44	to give them
00:13:44	really bad advice.
00:13:45	You know, you look at you
00:13:45	look at that.
00:13:47	You know what
00:13:47	Axelrod's been able to do.
00:13:49	And Carville,
00:13:50	not just with Bill Clinton
00:13:50	and Barack Obama, but really
00:13:53	their message
00:13:53	has been really consistent.
00:13:56	Like what
00:13:57	they've been commenting,
00:13:57	obviously daily, weekly,
00:14:00	through social media
00:14:02	and how the Democrats
00:14:02	have gotten it wrong.
00:14:05	And and that's
00:14:05	when we all started
00:14:07	reaching out to each other
00:14:08	because we were all kind
00:14:08	of separately saying,
00:14:10	man, we're getting off message
00:14:10	here.
00:14:11	This is years ago.
00:14:13	And so it's just, you know,
00:14:13	cardinals from Louisiana,
00:14:16	like, you know, axis from
00:14:16	Chicago, from Niles, Ohio.
00:14:21	Like there's just
00:14:21	certain people
00:14:23	they Beatrice and others,
00:14:23	like, there's just certain
00:14:25	people who grow up
00:14:25	with a certain sensibility
00:14:29	that has allowed us
00:14:31	over the years
00:14:31	in politics to like, well,
00:14:33	that's not working. You know,
00:14:33	that's not going to play.
00:14:35	And, that's
00:14:35	not going to play in Lima.
00:14:38	You know, that's not playing
00:14:38	in Chillicothe.
00:14:39	I just know it.
00:14:39	That's a sound.
00:14:41	Oh, you know,
00:14:41	you get the heebie jeebies
00:14:43	on something
00:14:43	that a Democrat says.
00:14:45	But, you know,
00:14:45	I think there are,
00:14:48	there are great new,
00:14:49	other consultants to
00:14:49	or out there that are good.
00:14:52	It shouldn't be a broad swath
00:14:52	against everybody.
00:14:55	But when you look
00:14:55	at the Democratic message,
00:14:57	clearly they're listening
00:14:57	to people and paying people
00:14:59	a lot of money that are giving
00:14:59	them really bad advice. But
00:15:03	but you do think that there
00:15:03	is a way to bring in the,
00:15:06	the of the message that you're
00:15:06	trying to talk
00:15:08	about working class
00:15:08	voters, the economy,
00:15:10	along with
00:15:10	some more progressive ideals.
00:15:12	You've got people
00:15:12	in the Democratic Party
00:15:14	who want the party to lean
00:15:14	more into progressive ideas.
00:15:18	Well, look, I mean,
00:15:19	I think where I kind of
00:15:19	have where I get,
00:15:21	I think I have some concerns
00:15:24	is that it can't just be about
00:15:26	we're going to tax rich people
00:15:28	and we're going to spend
00:15:28	more money.
00:15:30	Like, we already spend a ton
00:15:30	of money two and a half times
00:15:33	more than any other
00:15:33	industrialized country
00:15:36	on health
00:15:36	care and get worse results.
00:15:38	That's a reform problem.
00:15:40	You know,
00:15:40	we still spend
00:15:40	a lot of money on education
00:15:43	and we don't get the results
00:15:43	that we want.
00:15:45	Now, how
00:15:45	is that a unique thing?
00:15:46	Now with the voucher issue
00:15:46	of giving rich people free,
00:15:49	free private schools,
00:15:49	that's a problem.
00:15:52	But we spend a lot of money
00:15:52	on that.
00:15:54	We spend a lot of money
00:15:54	on health care,
00:15:55	we spend a lot of money
00:15:55	on things
00:15:57	and we're
00:15:57	just not getting the results.
00:15:59	So for Democrats
00:15:59	just to say, oh, just tax
00:16:01	and spend more, that again,
00:16:01	the rich people more
00:16:04	I think that moves you away
00:16:06	from where
00:16:06	the average lunch bucket
00:16:08	Democrat is saying, wait,
00:16:08	you don't need more money
00:16:11	because you start
00:16:11	talking about tax.
00:16:12	And then next thing you know,
00:16:13	you're gonna start talking
00:16:13	about taxing me.
00:16:15	And I already pay enough
00:16:15	and I don't get enough.
00:16:18	And I, you know,
00:16:18	I'm already struggling.
00:16:19	So like, it's
00:16:19	gotta be about reform.
00:16:22	And here's
00:16:23	where I think the opportunity
00:16:23	is really going to be.
00:16:26	And I think you can bet
00:16:26	your bottom dollar on this
00:16:29	one, too.
00:16:30	Trump is going to
00:16:32	betray in many ways,
00:16:32	the working class folks.
00:16:37	I think there's a good chance
00:16:39	that he passes a major tax
00:16:39	cut again,
00:16:43	that cuts taxes
00:16:43	primarily for the top one
00:16:47	and 5%
00:16:47	of the people in the country,
00:16:49	just like
00:16:49	he did the first time.
00:16:51	And you didn't even hear that
00:16:51	in Kamala Harris's campaign.
00:16:55	Like, to me, if I was running
00:16:55	against Trump and Vance,
00:16:58	the only thing I would have
00:16:59	talked about
00:16:59	is his only signature
00:17:01	achievement was a tax
00:17:02	cut for Elon Musk
00:17:04	and all these oligarchs that
00:17:04	are on the stage with them.
00:17:06	And you look at all of the
00:17:06	billionaires
00:17:09	and his inauguration.
00:17:10	I mean, what do you think
00:17:10	he's going to do?
00:17:12	And look, I've been very
00:17:12	like all my Trump friends.
00:17:16	I don't say anything.
00:17:18	It's like he's in charge.
00:17:19	Republicans are in charge
00:17:19	of everything
00:17:21	and charge everything in Ohio.
00:17:23	Let Trump fix it,
00:17:23	and we'll see where
00:17:25	we are in a year or two.
00:17:27	And I think
00:17:27	there's a good chance
00:17:29	that Musk
00:17:29	is going to get a tax
00:17:30	cut marks
00:17:30	that Musk is going to
00:17:32	now put the government
00:17:32	in a position
00:17:34	where they're funding his
00:17:34	companies and his projects.
00:17:39	And I think there's
00:17:39	going to be a rub there
00:17:40	with those working class
00:17:40	people.
00:17:42	So we'll see what happens.
00:17:43	But if that if
00:17:43	that does happen
00:17:45	and someone can bring
00:17:45	bring that economic, argument
00:17:48	that he betrayed those folks,
00:17:48	then there's a real opening
00:17:52	for Democrats.
00:17:53	But you can't come
00:17:54	with the same old base
00:17:54	of redistribution
00:17:57	and just more money
00:17:57	and no reforms.
00:17:59	And, you know,
00:18:01	and the social issues,
00:18:01	that's not going to be it.
00:18:03	It's got to be a reform,
00:18:03	economic minded argument
00:18:06	that's going to be for small
00:18:06	and mid-sized businesses, too,
00:18:09	that these big oligarchs
00:18:09	and monopolies
00:18:12	have kind of eaten up,
00:18:12	eaten up.
00:18:14	And the last thing,
00:18:14	while I'm on a rant here,
00:18:20	we've got to get into
00:18:20	the rural areas,
00:18:23	you know, I mean, like,
00:18:23	I think Democrats it's to me,
00:18:25	it's tragic
00:18:25	that we have not gotten into
00:18:29	rural
00:18:29	Ohio, rural Pennsylvania,
00:18:31	some of these rural, like,
00:18:31	we've forgotten them. Like,
00:18:33	not only is that immoral,
00:18:33	are they American citizens?
00:18:36	Who cares if they voted,
00:18:36	consistently conservative?
00:18:41	You know why?
00:18:42	Because we lost the economic
00:18:42	argument in rural areas,
00:18:46	we've given up,
00:18:46	on, on rural areas.
00:18:51	And just imagine
00:18:51	the economic struggle,
00:18:54	you know, that
00:18:55	they have there and,
00:18:56	and so and they think again,
00:18:56	we're talking
00:18:58	Democrats are only talking
00:18:58	about,
00:19:00	you know, issues
00:19:01	that make them
00:19:01	very uncomfortable,
00:19:03	instead of talking
00:19:03	about their pension,
00:19:05	protecting
00:19:05	their Social Security,
00:19:07	making health care
00:19:07	more affordable,
00:19:09	making their prescription
00:19:09	drugs cheaper.
00:19:11	And if you go there
00:19:12	and you talk about these
00:19:12	economic issues,
00:19:15	they see you as a human being
00:19:16	who actually wants to help
00:19:16	them,
00:19:18	you know, and they don't care.
00:19:19	Maybe you may maybe
00:19:20	have different positions
00:19:20	on some of these other issues.
00:19:23	And that's,
00:19:24	you know, Sherrod Brown
00:19:24	made a living out of that.
00:19:26	And I and
00:19:27	I did pretty well, too,
00:19:27	in the Mahoning
00:19:28	Valley and Akron,
00:19:28	in those areas I ran in.
00:19:31	But the National Party brand
00:19:31	at some point
00:19:33	becomes too big of
00:19:33	an anchor right in your neck.
00:19:37	Let me ask you.
00:19:37	Finally,
00:19:37	there are some progressives
00:19:39	who don't like the work you're
00:19:40	doing right now
00:19:40	with cryptocurrency and,
00:19:42	the fossil fuel industry,
00:19:42	specifically natural gas.
00:19:45	What do you say to them?
00:19:49	Tell me how
00:19:49	we're going to power.
00:19:53	I tell me how we're going
00:19:53	to power
00:19:55	the industrialization
00:19:55	of chip manufacturing
00:19:58	and batteries
00:19:58	and electric vehicles
00:20:02	on wind and solar,
00:20:02	for wind and solar, 1,000%.
00:20:05	I voted for the IRA
00:20:05	when I was in Congress.
00:20:08	For it.
00:20:09	But you can't realistically
00:20:09	power that without natural gas
00:20:14	and natural gas here in Ohio
00:20:14	and employees, union workers.
00:20:18	I think we should expand it.
00:20:20	And here's the thing
00:20:21	that people can't defend
00:20:21	on the left around natural gas
00:20:25	is that we have cut carbon
00:20:25	emissions in Ohio
00:20:29	by 50% because natural
00:20:29	gas came online.
00:20:34	And what did it displace
00:20:34	it displace coal.
00:20:37	And that has been the same.
00:20:38	America has led
00:20:40	carbon reduction around
00:20:40	the world from 2005 to 19.
00:20:44	Because natural gas
00:20:44	was displacing
00:20:47	coal in the United States.
00:20:49	Why wouldn't we do that
00:20:49	around the world?
00:20:50	China's putting on a coal
00:20:50	fired power plant one a week.
00:20:55	Germany, because they went
00:20:55	so far to the left on energy,
00:20:58	they're putting on a
00:20:58	another, coal fired
00:21:02	power plant in Germany
00:21:02	to meet their energy demand.
00:21:05	And so all I'm saying is
00:21:05	pragmatic strategy, natural
00:21:09	gas coupled with renewables
00:21:09	let that industry build out.
00:21:14	Let's continue
00:21:14	to work on methane.
00:21:16	The companies I work with,
00:21:16	or if not, change their policy
00:21:19	at all.
00:21:20	Since Trump has come in,
00:21:21	to make sure
00:21:21	they meet their climate goals.
00:21:24	And the same
00:21:24	with cryptocurrency.
00:21:26	It's not just currency,
00:21:26	it's the blockchain.
00:21:29	It's the technology behind it.
00:21:31	And Bitcoin and stablecoin.
00:21:33	It's not about the Trump
00:21:33	meme.
00:21:36	You know, that's that's
00:21:36	a very unsophisticated way
00:21:38	to look at it.
00:21:39	And so again,
00:21:39	this is the problem.
00:21:41	Like Biden,
00:21:41	this is a perfect example.
00:21:44	Can Biden
00:21:44	put a liquid natural gas
00:21:48	suspension on exporting it?
00:21:51	Right.
00:21:51	We got a war in Ukraine.
00:21:52	We're trying to help them
00:21:52	against Russia
00:21:54	and all the rest
00:21:54	put a suspension on it.
00:21:56	I wrote publicly terrible
00:21:56	idea.
00:21:59	One, it's
00:21:59	horrible for the climate
00:22:01	because that's going to force
00:22:01	people to use coal and oil
00:22:04	and also what the
00:22:04	what this is going to do
00:22:07	is it's going to hurt you
00:22:07	in Pennsylvania,
00:22:10	Western PA, which it did.
00:22:13	They got that stuck to them,
00:22:13	Trump said.
00:22:15	I told you they were going to
00:22:15	ban fracking.
00:22:17	I told you
00:22:17	they were going to do it.
00:22:18	And then Kamala Harris
00:22:18	lost Pennsylvania.
00:22:21	And so the worst
00:22:21	environmental policy
00:22:23	you could possibly have
00:22:25	is that Donald
00:22:25	Trump is president.
00:22:26	So I say to all my friends
00:22:26	who we agree with climate
00:22:30	change,
00:22:30	bend in the curve, renewables.
00:22:34	What I say to them is we've
00:22:34	got to have a pragmatic plan
00:22:37	to get there.
00:22:38	We have a 200 year
00:22:38	supply of natural gas,
00:22:41	and you got to win elections
00:22:41	or you're not going to be able
00:22:44	to do anything.
00:22:45	And we went so far to the left
00:22:48	to appeal a really extreme
00:22:48	group of environmentalists
00:22:52	that at the end of the day,
00:22:52	we lost Pennsylvania,
00:22:55	we lost Michigan and Wisconsin
00:22:55	and obviously Ohio,
00:22:58	because working class people
00:22:58	in the energy sector said no.
00:23:03	And those folks
00:23:03	need to be on our side.
00:23:06	We need natural gas.
00:23:07	We need renewables. We need
00:23:09	that made with American steel
00:23:09	and union labor.
00:23:12	And that's
00:23:13	an arsenal of energy
00:23:13	that we can move forward with.
00:23:16	So I happily, have that conversa
00:23:20	How do you get those
00:23:20	folks though on with crypto
00:23:23	because a lot of them
00:23:23	see it as a scam.
00:23:26	Yeah.
00:23:27	Well, you know,
00:23:27	I think a lot of people
00:23:28	who don't fully appreciate
00:23:28	and understand it, you know,
00:23:33	I don't see it that way,
00:23:33	but I will I will say to them,
00:23:37	one of the major issues
00:23:37	that we see, it's remittances.
00:23:41	It's people
00:23:41	who work in America and send
00:23:43	money back, say to Mexico,
00:23:43	to their family, Western
00:23:48	Union, these other they,
00:23:48	they charge exorbitant fees.
00:23:53	With crypto, you can just send
00:23:53	that back without any fees.
00:23:58	So you're cutting out
00:23:58	the Western unions.
00:24:00	You could do the same
00:24:00	with credit cards.
00:24:02	Now cryptos coming online
00:24:02	in the blockchain.
00:24:05	So you can have an account
00:24:05	with your crypto dollars.
00:24:09	And you could
00:24:09	go to a coffee shop
00:24:12	and there it's
00:24:12	this is when it's implemented.
00:24:15	It's saving small business
00:24:15	owners like it coffee shops.
00:24:18	The 4% credit card fees
00:24:18	that they would have.
00:24:20	So this is a boom for,
00:24:20	the small business people.
00:24:25	And you look at people
00:24:25	who don't have bank accounts,
00:24:28	you look at, again,
00:24:28	the credit card
00:24:29	companies,
00:24:29	you're cutting out those.
00:24:31	So if you're for
00:24:32	if you're a real radical and
00:24:32	you want to reform the system
00:24:36	and you think that that
00:24:36	that immigrants and,
00:24:39	and people
00:24:39	in the black community
00:24:39	and other,
00:24:41	you know, kind
00:24:41	of marginalized communities,
00:24:44	this is an important
00:24:44	technology for them.
00:24:47	And I would ask them to
00:24:48	just look at those benefits
00:24:48	and look at the technical ag,
00:24:52	60% of crypto
00:24:52	owners are black.
00:24:54	No one knew that.
00:24:55	I didn't know that until
00:24:56	I started
00:24:56	to really get involved.
00:24:57	that is helping
00:24:57	So this is something
00:24:59	the minority community
00:24:59	puts more money
00:25:01	in those minority
00:25:02	small business pockets
00:25:02	we should be for.
00:25:04	And I just say take another
00:25:04	look at it.
00:25:06	Same with the natural gas.
00:25:07	Just take a look and see, like
00:25:09	how are you going to power
00:25:09	stuff that we want?
00:25:11	I and these other things
00:25:11	without natural gas.
00:25:14	Right.
00:25:15	How are we going to displace
00:25:15	coal without natural gas.
00:25:18	And it's about having these
00:25:18	real pragmatic solutions.
00:25:20	And I think if we get
00:25:20	the Democratic Party in here,
00:25:23	we're the party
00:25:23	in the future that
00:25:25	And that is it for this week.
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