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00:00:01ANNOUNCER: SUPPORT FOR THE
STATEWIDE BROADCAST OF THE
00:00:02"STATE OF OHIO" COMES FROM THE
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PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OHIO, ACROSS
00:00:08THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE
WORLD.
00:00:11ON THE WEB AT PORTERWRIGHT.COM.
AND FROM THE OHIO EDUCATION
00:00:15ASSOCIATION, REPRESENTING
120,000 MEMBERS, WHO WORK TO
00:00:19INSPIRE THEIR STUDENTS TO THINK
CREATIVELY AND EXPERIENCE THE
00:00:21JOY OF LEARNING.
ONLINE AT OHEA.ORG.
00:00:27KAREN: NOW THAT THE CONVENTIONS
ARE OVER, THE CANDIDATES ARE
00:00:30COMING TO OHIO.
AND THE BATTLE BETWEEN THE STATE
00:00:33EDUCATION DEPARTMENT AND OHIO'S
LARGEST ONLINE CHARTER SCHOOL
00:00:39GOES TO PORT
-- GOES TO COURT, AND COMES TO
00:00:46THIS SHOW, TOO.
WE'LL HEAR FROM TWO KEY PLAYERS,
00:00:52THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:55KAREN: ONE OF THE BIGGEST
00:01:04STORIES TO COME OUT OF LAST
WEEK'S DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
00:01:06CONVENTION IS THAT OF FORMER
STATE SENATOR NINA TURNER OF
00:01:08CLEVELAND.
TURNER CAME INTO THE CONVENTION
00:01:09AS A DELEGATE FOR BERNIE
SANDERS, AND HAD GAINED SOME
00:01:10NATIONAL ATTENTION AS A SANDERS
SURROGATE.
00:01:11SHE WAS VERY PUBLIC ABOUT HER
CONCERNS ABOUT HOW SHE FELT THE
00:01:13PARTY HAD TREATED SANDERS AS A
CANDIDATE, AND BY THE END OF THE
00:01:16WEEK, IT WAS BEING REPORTED THAT
SHE WAS WEIGHING THE CHANCE TO
00:01:20RUN AS VICE PRESIDENT ON THE
GREEN PARTY TICKET.
00:01:22TURNER IS STILL TORN ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED AT THE CONVENTION AND
00:01:24WHAT SHE'LL DO NEXT.
TURNER: THAT WILL BE UP TO THE
00:01:30PEOPLE TO DECIDE.
IT IS MY HOPE THAT ALL OF MY
00:01:34GREAT WORK THAT I HAVE DONE AS A
PUBLIC SERVANT FROM THE PAST TO
00:01:37THIS MOMENT, THAT THEY SPEAK TO
ME.
00:01:40I WELCOME VARIOUS VOICES.
IF THAT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE THE
00:01:49CASE, WE REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM
WITH THIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT
00:01:51IS BIGGER THAN I AM.
KAREN: NOW THAT THE 2016 TICKETS
00:01:57ARE SET, TURNER IS AMONG THOSE
WHO IS CONSIDERING HER PLANS FOR
00:01:592018, WHEN ALL FIVE OF THE
STATE'S EXECUTIVE OFFICES WILL
00:02:00BE OPEN.
SHE'S SUGGESTED SHE COULD RUN
00:02:02FOR SECRETARY OF STATE AGAIN,
BUT SHE'S NOT CERTAIN.
00:02:03OTHER DEMOCRATS TALKING ABOUT
THEIR FUTURE PLANS ARE FORMER
00:02:06U.S. ATTORNEY STEVE DETTLEBACH,
WHO'S THINKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR
00:02:08ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND FORMER
REPRESENTATIVE CONNIE PILLICH
00:02:11AND SENATE MINORITY LEADER JOE
SCHIAVONI OF THE YOUNGSTOWN
00:02:15AREA, WHO HAVE BOTH SUGGESTED
THEY MIGHT BE CONSIDERING
00:02:18RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.
ALSO, APPARENTLY MAKING A
00:02:23NOT-UNEXPECTED ANNOUNCEMENT,
REPUBLICAN LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR
00:02:26MARY TAYLOR, WHO TWEETED OUT A
PIC FROM THE OHIO MEANS JOBS
00:02:29BOOTH AT THE OHIO STATE FAIR.
SHE'S HOLDING A CHALKBOARD WITH
00:02:31THE FILL-IN-THE-BLANK MESSAGE "I
WANT TO BE A --" COMPLETED WITH
00:02:33THE WORD "GOVERNOR."
FORMER OHIO CONGRESSMAN STEVE
00:02:36LATOURETTE HAS DIED AFTER A
BATTLE WITH PANCREATIC CANCER.
00:02:39THE FORMER NORTHEAST OHIO
CONGRESSMAN DIED WEDNESDAY NIGHT
00:02:42SURROUNDED BY HIS FAMILY AT HIS
HOME IN MCLEAN, VIRGINIA.
00:02:45HE SERVED IN CONGRESS FROM 1995
TO 2013, AND HE WAS GENERALLY
00:02:48REGARDED AS A MODERATE
REPUBLICAN WHO SUPPORTED
00:02:51INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING, AMTRAK
AND CONGRESSIONAL SET-ASIDES
00:02:54KNOWN AS EARMARKS.
WHEN HE ANNOUNCED HIS
00:02:57RETIREMENT, LATOURETTE SAID HE
WAS SICK OF THE PARTISANSHIP
00:02:59THAT HAD TAKEN OVER CONGRESS.
LATOURETTE WAS 62.
00:03:14HE LEAVES BEHIND HIS WIFE
, JENNIFER, AND SIX CHILDREN,
00:03:23INCLUDING STATE REPRESENTATIVE
SARAH LATOURETTE OF GEAUGA
00:03:24COUNTY.
A UNION-BACKED GROUP SEEKING TO
00:03:26RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE TO $15 AN
HOUR IN CLEVELAND IS ASKING THE
00:03:28OHIO SUPREME COURT TO PUT THE
ISSUE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
00:03:30COUNCIL LEADERSHIP AND MAYOR
FRANK JACKSON OPPOSE RAISING THE
00:03:31MINIMUM WAGE IN CLEVELAND ALONE,
FEARING IT COULD CAUSE
00:03:33BUSINESSES TO CLOSE OR MOVE
ELSEWHERE.
00:03:35ATTORNEYS FOR THE GROUP, RAISE
UP CLEVELAND, ARGUE COUNCIL MUST
00:03:36PUT IT ON NOVEMBER'S BALLOT
AFTER THE GROUP SUBMITTED
00:03:38ADDITIONAL SIGNATURES.
ATTORNEY GENERAL MIKE DEWINE HAS
00:03:40WRITTEN AN OPINION SAYING ONLY
STATE LAWMAKERS CAN INCREASE THE
00:03:41MINIMUM WAGE, AND THAT IT CAN'T
BE INCREASED BY LOCAL LAWMAKERS
00:03:43OR VOTERS.
THERE ARE LESS THAN A HUNDRED
00:03:48DAYS LEFT TILL THE NOVEMBER
-- 100 DAYS LEFT UNTIL THE
00:03:54NOVEMBER ELECTION.
WHEN THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
00:03:56CONVENTION IN PHILADELPHIA ENDED
LAST WEEK, HILLARY CLINTON AND
00:03:58HER RUNNING MATE TIM KAINE
BOARDED BUSES AND HIT THE
00:03:59CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
AND SOME OF THE FIRST STOPS
00:04:01ALONG THE WAY WERE IN THE
BUCKEYE STATE.
00:04:02AND THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATES FOLLOWED RIGHT
00:04:04BEHIND.
OHIO IS ALWAYS A BATTLEGROUND
00:04:05STATE, BUT AS STATEHOUSE
CORRESPONDENT JO INGLES REPORTS,
00:04:07THIS YEAR OHIO'S ROLE IN PICKING
THE PRESIDENT MIGHT BE
00:04:12DIFFERENT.
00:04:14JO: IT WAS A CELEBRATORY
ATMOSPHERE
00:04:29METROPOLITAN EDUCATION CENTER IN
COLUMBUS LAST SUNDAY AS AN
00:04:31ESTIMATED 5000 PEOPLE SHOWED UP
FOR A RALLY.
00:04:32THIS WAS HILLARY CLINTON'S FIRST
WEEKEND BACK IN THE BUCKEYE
00:04:34STATE SINCE SHE BECAME THE
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE.
00:04:35PEOPLE BRAVED THE SUN AND HEAT
TO BE HERE TO SEE CLINTON AND
00:04:38HER RUNNING MATE, TIM KAINE.
CLINTON WAS TWO HOURS LATE FOR
00:04:41THE EVENT, IN PART DUE TO A STOP
AT GRANDPA'S CHEESE BARN IN
00:04:44ASHLAND.
EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIANS
00:04:48EVALUATED OR TREATED MORE THAN
40 PEOPLE WHO WERE OVERCOME WITH
00:04:56HEAT-RELATED SYMPTOMS.
OHIO CONGRESSWOMAN JOYCE BEATTY,
00:04:58ONE OF THE WARM UP SPEAKERS,
MADE THE STATEMENT THAT IS
00:05:00REPEATED EVERY ELECTION SEASON.
BEATTY: AS OHIO GOES, SO GOES
00:05:12THE NATION.
00:05:15JO: WHEN CLINTON ARRIVED, SHE
WAS GREETED WITH AN ENTHUSIASTIC
00:05:19CROWD THAT CHEERED LOUDLY WHEN
SHE CHASTISED HER REPUBLICAN
00:05:20OPPONENT, DONALD TRUMP.
HILLARY CLINTON: HELP US GO OUT
00:05:25AND WIN AN ELECTION THAT WILL
KEEP OUR DEMOCRACY STRONG, OUR
00:05:27ECONOMY GROWING AND GIVE EVERY
AMERICAN A CHANCE TO LIVE UP TO
00:05:29HIS OR HER GOD GIVEN POTENTIAL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COLUMBUS.
00:05:38[APPLAUSE]
JO: JUST ONE DAY LATER, TRUMP
00:05:42HIMSELF CAME TO COLUMBUS TO HOLD
AN EVENT INSIDE THE AIR
00:05:44CONDITIONED CONVENTION CENTER
.
00:05:47BUT HIS CROWD WAS MUCH SMALLER
THAN CLINTON'S.
00:05:52DONALD TRUMP: I JUST WANT TO
TELL YOU, WE HAVE HAD THOUSANDS
00:05:55OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE WHO WERE
TURNED AWAY.
00:05:56THOUSANDS.
THAT WERE TURNED AWAY FOR
00:05:58POLITICAL REASONS.
PURELY FOR POLITICAL REASONS.
00:06:00THEY SAID IN THIS MASSIVE
BUILDING YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO
00:06:04HAVE ANY MORE THAN 1000 PEOPLE.
JO: ASSISTANT COLUMBUS FIRE
00:06:09CHIEF JIM CANNELL SAYS THE 1000
PERSON LIMIT HAD NOTHING TO DO
00:06:11WITH POLITICS.
JIM: WE MEET WITH THE PEOPLE WHO
00:06:15ARE RUNNING THE VENUE.
WE MEET WITH THE CONVENTION
00:06:17FOLKS AND WE BASICALLY ENFORCE
THE LAW AND THE LAW IS BECAUSE
00:06:23OF THE NUMBER OF EXITS THAT ARE
BLOCKED, BECAUSE NORMALLY THIS
00:06:27VENUE WOULD TAKE MORE THAN A
1000 PEOPLE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE
00:06:36NUMBER OF EXITS THAT ARE BLOCKED
OFF DUE TO CONSTRUCTION, WE
00:06:38NARROWED IT DOWN TO 1000 PEOPLE.
JO: THERE ARE ALSO RENTAL
00:06:48DOCUMENTS FROM THE CONVENTION
CENTER, AND SIGNED BY THE TRUMP
00:06:50CAMPAIGN, THAT SHOW THE 1000
PERSON LIMIT WAS PART OF THE
00:06:52AGREEMENT.
FOR THOSE TRUMP RALLY ATTENDEES
00:06:54WHO DID GET INSIDE THE VENUE,
THEY CHEERED HIS MESSAGE
00:06:56PROMISING TO RESTORE JOBS TO
OHIO, PART OF WHAT HE CALLS THE
00:06:57RUST BELT.
DONALD TRUMP: THE PEOPLE IN
00:07:10OHIO, THE PEOPLE IN THE RUST
BELT -- AND THEY CALL IT THE
00:07:12RUST BELT FOR A REASON BECAUSE
YOU LOST YOUR JOBS.
00:07:13EVERYTHING IS ROTTING.
YOU LOST YOUR JOBS AND THEY ARE
00:07:16MOVING TO MEXICO.
JO: BUT AS TRUMP LEFT OHIO THIS
00:07:19TIME AROUND, HE MADE AN OMINOUS
PREDICTION.
00:07:21DONALD TRUMP: AND I'M AFRAID THE
ELECTION IS GOING TO BE RIGGED.
00:07:24I HAVE TO BE HONEST.
IF IT FEELS LIKE THIS ELECTION
00:07:27IS DIFFERENT THIS YEAR, IT MIGHT
BE.
00:07:32MIKE DAWSON: IT'S GOING TO BE
DIFFERENT.
00:07:34IT'S CERTAINLY THE MOST
INTERESTING ELECTION I'VE EVER
00:07:35SEEN IN MY LIFETIME.
I THINK THE REASON YOU DON'T SEE
00:07:36ENTHUSIASM FOR EITHER CANDIDATE
IS THAT THEIR NEGATIVES ARE SO
00:07:38HIGH.
THEY ARE PERCEIVED SO BADLY BY
00:07:39SO MANY PEOPLE AND MOST PEOPLE
DON'T WANT TO VOTE WHEN THAT'S
00:07:41THE CASE.
JO: IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER
00:07:44THAT REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR JOHN
KASICH WAS THE FIRST CHOICE OF
00:07:46OHIOANS.
AND MANY OF THE STATE'S
00:07:48REPUBLICANS ADMIT THEY ARE
HAVING A HARD TIME WARMING UP TO
00:07:49TRUMP.
HOW WILL THAT LACK OF ENTHUSIASM
00:07:51AFFECT THIS YEAR'S ELECTION IN
OHIO?
00:07:57MIKE: WELL, IT'S KIND OF EARLY
TO TELL BUT PRETTY SOON YOU ARE
00:08:03GOING TO KNOW.
PRETTY SOON POLLSTERS WILL START
00:08:05MEASURING PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKELY
TO VOTE AND TEST VOTER
00:08:06ENTHUSIASM AND WE WILL HAVE A
BETTER IDEA OF WHERE THE
00:08:08INTENSITY IS SO WE WILL HAVE A
BETTER IDEA IF IT IS ON THE SIDE
00:08:09OF HILLARY CLINTON OR DONALD
TRUMP.
00:08:11JO: BUT THERE'S ONE THING THAT
DAWSON SAYS WON'T BE DIFFERENT.
00:08:15OHIO WILL, ONCE AGAIN, BE A
BATTLEGROUND STATE.
00:08:17TRUMP HIMSELF PROMISED HE'D BE
BACK AGAIN SOON.
00:08:24HE JOKED THAT HE'D BE BACK SO
OFTEN THAT OHIOANS WOULD
00:08:28PROBABLY BE SICK OF HIM.
BUT THE QUESTION WILL BE -- WILL
00:08:29OHIOANS BE SO SICK OF THE
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES BY
00:08:31NOVEMBER THAT VOTER TURNOUT WILL
SUFFER?
00:08:36FOR THE "STATE OF OHIO," I'M JO
INGLES.
00:08:38KAREN: THE BATTLE CONTINUES
BETWEEN THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF
00:08:41EDUCATION AND THE STATE'S
LARGEST ONLINE CHARTER SCHOOL,
00:08:42THE ELECTRONIC CLASSROOM OF
TOMORROW, BETTER KNOWN AS ECOT.
00:08:53SINCE EARLY THIS YEAR, ODE HAS
TRIED TO PERFORM AN ATTENDANCE
00:08:55AUDIT TO GAUGE HOW MUCH
INSTRUCTION TIME EACH OF ECOT'S
00:08:57ESTIMATED 15,000 STUDENTS HAS
RECEIVED.
00:08:58A PRELIMINARY AUDIT WAS
CONDUCTED IN MARCH BUT ECOT
00:09:00WOULD NOT ALLOW ODE TO ACCESS
STUDENT LOG-IN INFORMATION.
00:09:07THE FIGHT WENT BACK AND FORTH
FOR A FEW MONTHS UNTIL JUST DAYS
00:09:09BEFORE THE AUDIT WAS SET TO
BEGIN, ECOT FILED A LAWSUIT
00:09:10AGAINST ODE, CLAIMING THE
STATE'S NEW AUDIT STANDARDS WERE
00:09:12IN VIOLATION OF A CONTRACT
SIGNED IN 2002.
00:09:15TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE, THE
00:09:18STATEHOUSE NEWS BUREAU'S ANDY
CHOW SAT DOWN WITH DEMOCRATIC
00:09:21SENATOR JOE SCHIAVONI OF
BOARDMAN NEAR YOUNGSTOWN AND
00:09:26NEIL CLARK, LONGTIME LOBBYIST
AND CONSULTANT FOR ECOT.
00:09:28ANDY: LET'S JUMP IN WITH THE
LATEST NEWS.
00:09:32A JUDGE HAS ORDERED ECOT TO TURN
OVER THAT LOGIN INFORMATION.
00:09:36WHEN IS ECOT EXPECTED TO DO
THAT?
00:09:40NEIL: SOMETIME THIS WEEK.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SHEER
00:09:45VOLUME OF WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE
A COMPLETED LOGINS, LOGOUTS FOR
00:09:52EACH STUDENT FOR THE PLEA OR
COME IT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AT
00:09:54750 CASES.
-- FOR THE YEAR, IT IS PRETTY
00:10:03SIGNIFICANT AT 750 CASES.
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL
00:10:07ALONG IS THE LOGINS, LOGOUTS ARE
NOT REQUIRED TO COMPLETE AN
00:10:12AUDIT.
ANDY: WHAT IS REQUIRED, WHAT IS
00:10:16NEEDED TO ACTUALLY AUDIT
ATTENDANCE FOR ONLINE CHARTER
00:10:19SCHOOLS?
SENATOR SCHIAVONI: OGE IS NOT
00:10:25ASKING FOR ANYTHING OUT OF LINE
OR CRAZY.
00:10:26JUST SAYING YOU CHECKED AND
THE MORNING IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
00:10:35WE WANT TO SEE THAT THAT KID IS
WORKING FOR CURRICULUM COMMITTEE
00:10:41ACTUALLY BEING EDUCATED.
NEIL: IT IS AN UNREASONABLE
00:10:51REQUEST BECAUSE IT IS NOT
REQUIRED BY THE OHIO REVISED
00:10:52CODE.
YOU SAY ATTENDANCE -- UNDER THE
00:10:54CONCEPT OF ATTENDANCE, THE 105
RULE, THERE'S SPECIFIC AMOUNTS
00:11:03OF MAXIMUM TIME YOU CAN BE
ONLINE, BUT THERE ARE NO MINIMUM
00:11:05AMOUNTS.
WHAT IS REQUIRED IS TO VERIFY
00:11:09THAT THE STUDENT RECEIVED 920
HOURS OF LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES
00:11:14THAT IS ALL THAT IS REQUIRED.
SENATOR SCHIAVONI: WHEN YOU LOOK
00:11:17AT THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF
EDUCATION MANUAL -- THEY'VE HAD
00:11:22A MANUAL OUT SINCE JANUARY OF
2015.
00:11:23IT IS NOTHING NEW.
IT SAYS EXPLAIN HOW LONG THEY
00:11:29WERE ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN
LEARNING AND IF THERE IS ONLINE
00:11:31LEARNING GOING ON, IT HAS TO BE
WRITTEN DOWN AND IT TO PEN AND
00:11:35PAPER OR PUT ON THE COMPUTER AND
SENT TO ODE.
00:11:37IT IS REASONABLE STUFF.
IF THEY ARE OFF-LINE, DOCUMENT
00:11:44IT.
HAVE THE TEACHER SEND IT TO ODE.
00:11:50IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
THERE'S OVER $100 MILLION GOING
00:11:56FROM TAXPAYERS TO ECOT EVERY
YEAR.
00:11:59WE HAVE TO MAKE FOR THERE IS
ACCOUNTABILITY, THERE IS
00:12:05TRANSPARENCY IN THE KIDS ARE
ACTUALLY LEARNING IN SCHOOL.
00:12:06NEIL: TEACHERS NEED TO CERTIFY
-- THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS
00:12:12TODAY.
ACTUAL TEACHERS CERTIFY THAT YOU
00:12:17, THE STUDENT, RECEIVED LEARNING
OPPORTUNITIES.
00:12:18THEY SIGN A TEACHER CERTIFICATE
IN FRONT OF YOU THAT IS
00:12:22VERIFIED, PUTTING THEIR LICENSE
ON THE LINE SAYING THEY DID IN
00:12:25FACT HAVE THOSE LEARNING
OPPORTUNITIES.
00:12:29THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WANTING
AND THE CURRENT REVISED CODE IS
00:12:35ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
YOU CAN'T WANT SOMETHING INTO
00:12:39LAW.
IT HAS TO BE IN THE LAW.
00:12:40ANDY: THIS TEACHER CERTIFICATION
CAN FILL IN THE GAPS, SO WHY NOT
00:12:46TURN OVER THE LOGIN INFORMATION
AND TAKE THE CERTIFICATION AT
00:12:49ITS WORD?
NEIL: THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED
00:12:53WITH THE LAST 10 AUDITS.
THE DEVIATED FROM THIS BY ONE
00:13:00CONCEPT THAT THEY INVOKED THE
FIVE-HOUR LOGIN, LOGOUT.
00:13:07THAT IS NOWHERE IN THE REVISED
CODE.
00:13:09THAT'S WHY WE ARE IN COURT.
EVERYTHING HE'S BEEN SAYING, WE
00:13:15BEEN DOING THAT FOR 15 YEARS.
ANDY: FIVE HOURS MINIMUM A DAY,
00:13:21THAT IS NOT IN THE REVISED CODE.
NEIL: THAT'S CORRECT.
00:13:24WHAT THEY ARE SAYING AT ODE,
WHEN THEY DID THEIR FIRST
00:13:31INITIAL MARCH AUDIT, NONE OF
THAT WAS REQUIRED.
00:13:33THEY DID THAT AT THE LAST MOMENT
IN JUNE 10 YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE
00:13:38FIVE-HOUR LOGIN, LOGOUT.
THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE REVISED
00:13:42CODE ON AN FTE AUDIT THAT MAKES
ANY REFERENCE TO FIVE HOURS.
00:13:50SENATOR SCHIAVONI: HE SANG ALL
THEY HAVE TO DO IS PROVIDE
00:13:53OPPORTUNITY.
FOR ME, THAT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM
00:13:58BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WITH THE
MANUAL SAYS.
00:13:59PROVIDING OPPORTUNITY MEANS ANY
PUBLIC SCHOOL BRICK-AND-MORTAR
00:14:04COULD JUST OPEN THE DOOR AND SAY
, HEY, LOOK COME AT WE HAVE
00:14:08BOOKS ON THE SHELVES, WE HAVE
TEACHERS AROUND IF YOU NEED
00:14:10THEM.
JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY
00:14:12YOU'RE HERE AND YOU ARE FREE TO
DO ALL DAY.
00:14:13WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT EDUCATING
KIDS AND TEACHING THEM WHILE
00:14:18THEY ARE IN SCHOOL.
NEIL: IT MAY BE A VALID POINT
00:14:24WHEN HE'S TALKING ABOUT I WANT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE POINT ABOUT
00:14:30THE REVISED CODE.
THE MANUAL IS NOT IN THE REVISED
00:14:33CODE.
THAT'S WHY THAT FAMOUS MEETING
00:14:37ON FEBRUARY 18 OVER IN THE
SENATE THAT HAD BOTH HOUSE
00:14:41MEMBERS AND THE GOVERNOR'S
PEOPLE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF
00:14:45EDUCATION ANNOUNCED IN THAT
MEETING THAT THEIR MANUAL HAD
00:14:46PROBLEMS.
IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO
00:14:51AVOID ANYTHING.
GIVE US THE AUDIT THE SAME WAY
00:14:56YOU DID FOR THE LAST YEARS AND
YOU WANT TO COME IN AND TALK
00:14:58ABOUT A NEW METHODOLOGY FOR THE
NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, WE WILL BE
00:15:01MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE
00:15:04IN A RETROACTIVE CLAIM.
ONE YEAR AGO, YOU HAD YOUR
00:15:10SCHOOL TAKEN OVER BY THE STATE
INNUENDO DRIVE 170 MILES TO COME
00:15:17DOWN HERE TO ASK THE CHAIRMAN OF
THE COMMITTEE TO HEAR YOU OUT
00:15:21AND YOU WERE TOLD, NO, WE ARE
NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
00:15:23WE ARE GOING TO PASS THIS
TOMORROW AND THAT'S HOW IT'S
00:15:27GOING TO BE.
THAT'S HOW WE ARE FEELING ABOUT
00:15:31THESE GUYS DOING THIS AT THE
LAST MOMENT.
00:15:32THEY ANNOUNCED IN GINSENG --
ANNOUNCED IN JUNE SAYING, HEY,
00:15:44SCREW YOU.
YOU CANNOT HAVE A DEPARTMENT
00:15:47MAKE ARE PREPARING TO MAKE
ARBITRARY DECISIONS.
00:15:52ANDY: THE YOUNGSTOWN SCHOOL
TAKEOVER ARRIVED AT THE LAST
00:15:58MINUTE, YOU ARE VERY OPPOSED TO
THAT BECAUSE OF THE TIMING.
00:16:00SENATOR SCHIAVONI: I THINK ECOT
HAS EXHAUSTED THEIR LEGAL
00:16:07REMEDIES.
WHEN THEY HAVE DECIDED COME
00:16:13INSTEAD OF TURNING OVER THIS
BASIC INFORMATION, THEY'VE
00:16:15DECIDED TO HIRE LAWYERS TO FILE
LAWSUITS, LOBBYISTS TO ACT ON
00:16:17THEIR BEHALF AND THEY PUT OUT
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
00:16:23DOLLARS WORTH OF ADVERTISEMENT
RATHER THAN DEALING WITH
00:16:24CURRICULUM, RATHER THAN DEALING
WITH MAKING SURE THAT THEY GET
00:16:28UP TO SPEED FOR THIS YEAR'S
SCHOOL YEAR THAT STARTS IN TWO
00:16:30WEEKS.
THEY DID IT THROUGH LEGISLATION
00:16:35IN THE DAY.
THIS CASE, THEY ARE CHALLENGING
00:16:39IT THROUGH THE COURT AND THE
JUDGE SAID TURN THE STUFF OVER.
00:16:40IT IS WITHIN THE LAW, TURN IT
OVER.
00:16:43NEIL: IT'S MORE OF A NUISANCE
THAN IT IS ANYTHING OF ANY
00:16:50VALUE.
EVEN UNDER FTE AUDIT, YOU CANNOT
00:16:55USE THAT INFORMATION.
100% OF OUR RECORDS HAVE THE
00:17:00TEACHER CERTIFICATION.
THIS DOCUMENT IS SIGNED BY EVERY
00:17:05STUDENT ABOUT WHAT THEY DID IN
SCHOOL.
00:17:06THE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE A
DIFFICULT TIME TO JUST SAY WE
00:17:11DID NOT DO IT.
OUR MARCH AUDIT OF 2016 SHOWED
00:17:19WE ONLY HAD 11 DEFICIENCIES OUT
OF 750 AND THEY WERE MINOR
00:17:24ERRORS.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT ONE THING.
00:17:26WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE PUSHED
AROUND BY PEOPLE WHO SAY WE HAVE
00:17:30TO DO X.
OUR PERFORMANCE RECORDS FOR ECOT
00:17:36IS SIMILAR TO YOUNGSTOWN, TO ALL
THE URBAN SCHOOLS.
00:17:38THEY ALL GOT A D.
THEY ARE ALL UNDER STRESS
00:17:45BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF STUDENTS
THEY ARE SERVING IN THE STATE IS
00:17:47NOT FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL THEY
SHOULD BE FUNDED AT.
00:17:52WE BOTH GET THE SAME GRADES.
ANDY: THAT IS NOT EXACTLY
00:17:57CORRECT.
IT IS APPLES AND ORANGES.
00:17:59YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A
BRICK-AND-MORTAR SCHOOL HAS TO
00:18:03SPEND THE MONEY BECAUSE THEY
HAVE TO TRANSPORT KIDS AND FEED
00:18:05KIDS.
NEIL: WE DO ALL THAT.
00:18:08SENATOR SCHIAVONI: YOU HAVE TO
GIVE THEM A COMPUTER.
00:18:12YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL OF
THOSE THINGS THAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS
00:18:16DO.
YOUNGSTOWN'S GRADUATION RATE WAS
00:18:2060%.
ECOT'S WAS 39%.
00:18:26NEIL: WE ARE 10 TIMES THE SIZE
OF YOUR GRADUATION RATE YOU HAD
00:18:34TO 47 -- 247.
6% OF YOUR WHOLE DISTRICT IS
00:18:42TAUGHT AT ECOT.
WE ARE THE SIXTH OR SEVENTH
00:18:48LARGEST OF ALL THE SCHOOLS IN
THE STATE.
00:18:49THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE --
OUR GRADUATION RATE, THE NUMBER
00:18:56OF PEOPLE WE PUT OUT IS HIGHER
THAN ANYBODY'S IN THE STATE.
00:18:59ANDY: I WANT TO GET TO THE MARCH
PRELIMINARY AUDIT.
00:19:03ODE SAID MOST PEOPLE ONLY
ACHIEVED A MINIMUM ONE HOUR
00:19:09INSTRUCTION PER DAY.
NEIL: WHAT THEY ARE MAKING
00:19:14REFERENCE TO -- I WAS VERY
OFFENDED BY THAT COMMENT -- THAT
00:19:16ATTORNEY IS USING ROBUST --
PROVOST.
00:19:21THEY WERE AUDITED BY THE STATE
OF OHIO AND THEY HAD ONE HOUR A
00:19:25DAY LOGIN AND BY THEIR BOARD
POLICY, THEY DETERMINED THAT ONE
00:19:31HOUR WOULD BE FIVE HOURS.
THEY WERE FINED FOR THAT
00:19:37PARTICULAR ACT.
THAT IS NOT OUR ACT.
00:19:38PROVOST HAD ONE HOUR THEY
EQUATED FIVE.
00:19:45WE ARE NOT IN THAT BALLPARK.
YOU CAN CONFUSE ATTENDANCE WITH
00:19:52FTE -- ATTENDANCE, THERE HAS TO
BE A LOGIN FOR EACH STUDENT, HAS
00:20:00TO BE EVERY DAY IN ORDER TO
START THE CLOCK AT 105.
00:20:03HE'S CONFUSING THE TWO ISSUES
AND TRYING TO MAKE ATTENDANCE
00:20:09PART OF THE ISSUE OF FTE.
ANDY: WHAT THE YOUTH NEED TO SEE
00:20:14FROM THESE ONLINE SCHOOLS TO
MAKE SURE THE STUDENTS ARE
00:20:15ACTUALLY LEARNING THAT'S WHAT DO
YOU NEED TO SEE -- WHAT DO YOU
00:20:23NEED TO SEE FROM THESE ONLINE
SCHOOLS TO MAKE SURE THE
00:20:25STUDENTS ARE ACTUALLY LEARNING?
SENATOR SCHIAVONI: THAT THE
00:20:29CHILD IS ACTIVELY ENGAGING AND
LEARNING.
00:20:30IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE WILL
CONTINUE FAILING STUDENTS.
00:20:33SCHOOL CHOICE IS GOOD.
YOU WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE BE ABLE
00:20:40TO MAKE CHOICES BASED ON THEIR
PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES.
00:20:42OR THEY LIVE, WHAT'S GOING ON IN
THEIR LIVES, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE
00:20:48SURE IN THESE PARTICULAR
SITUATIONS THAT THERE IS
00:20:50ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.
NEIL: THESE STUDENTS COME TO
00:20:56ECOT TWO YEARS BEHIND.
MANY OF OUR STUDENTS ARE 22 WHEN
00:21:02THEY GRADUATE.
BUT THEY GRADUATED.
00:21:04WHEN YOU ARE THROWING OUT
NUMBERS, YET TO KEEP IN MIND
00:21:09THAT 40% OF OUR STUDENTS HAVE TO
WORK TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY.
00:21:1130% OF THEM HAVE KIDS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM HIM WITH A
00:21:20BABY WALKING AROUND GOING TO
CLASS.
00:21:20-- AT NEVER SEEN A MOM WITH A
BABY WALKING AROUND GOING TO
00:21:27CLASS.
70% OF THEM ARE ECONOMICALLY
00:21:32DISADVANTAGED.
THERE IS NO REVISED CODE THAT
00:21:38REQUIRES -- IF THEY WANT TO GO
BACK AND DO THE REVISED CODE AND
00:21:44MAKE THIS REALISTIC AND MAKE
SURE THE REVISED CODE IS DONE BY
00:21:47THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND NOT BY
ODE BUREAUCRATS, I WOULD APPLAUD
00:21:52THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR FOR ANY
00:21:55OF US TO DRIVE 197 MILES TO COME
DOWN HERE AND PLEA TO SAVE OUR
00:22:02SCHOOL WHEN IT'S DONE BY
BUREAUCRATS AND NOT DONE BY YOU.
00:22:04SENATOR SCHIAVONI: WHY IS IT
GOING TO DESTROY THE SCHOOL?
00:22:07YOU JUST TURNING OVER
INFORMATION --
00:22:10NEIL: THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE IS THE DEPARTMENT OF
00:22:15EDUCATION INSISTS ON DOING IT
THEIR WAY AND THERE IS NO
00:22:20REFERENCE TO THE REVISED CODE
THAT DICTATES THAT.
00:22:22YOU GUYS WRITE THE LAW, WE WILL
FOLLOW THE LAW.
00:22:26ODE CANNOT CHANGE IT ON THEIR
OWN WHEN.
00:22:29-- THEIR OWN WHIM.
SENATOR SCHIAVONI: THIS HAS BEEN
00:22:37OUT SINCE JANUARY OF 2015.
THAT IS THE MODEL THEY ARE USING
00:22:41TO GET THE DOCUMENTS THEY NEED
IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THERE IS
00:22:44THAT TRANSPARENT PROCESS AND
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR TAXPAYER
00:22:49DOLLARS.
I FEEL LIKE ECOT WANTS IT TO BE
00:22:52ONE WAY.
EVERYBODY ELSE'S FOLLOWING THESE
00:22:56RULES.
ECOT FILES A LAWSUIT BECAUSE
00:23:00THEY DO NOT WANT TO FOLLOW THESE
RULES COME OF THIS POLICY,
00:23:05BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST THEM
DEARLY THAT THESE RULES, THIS
00:23:09POLICY -- THESE RULES, THIS
POLICY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO
00:23:15COST THEM DEARLY.
NEIL: ECOT FOLLOWS THE RULES.
00:23:23WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE
STATE.
00:23:24THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE WHOLE
LEGAL BATTLE, ON THAT CONTRACT.
00:23:30YOU CANNOT UNILATERALLY
CANCEL A CONTRACT BECAUSE YOU
00:23:35WANT TO.
THERE'S A LOT OF CLARITY ABOUT
00:23:37WHAT THEY THINK -- OUR OWN
DISCOVERY OF E-MAILS AND
00:23:44DEPOSITIONS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO
SHOW A WHOLE PATTERN OF PEOPLE
00:23:49MAKING THIS COMMENTARY -- DISCO
MILITARY -- DISCRIMINATORY
00:23:54STATEMENTS.
ANDY: YOU WILL GET $108 MILLION
00:24:02FROM THE STATE IF YOU CAN SHOW
THE STUDENTS WHO ATTENDED DID
00:24:05ATTEND.
NEIL: YOU ARE USING THE TERM
00:24:11"ATTEND."
THIS IS ABOUT FTE FROM
00:24:19TEACHER CERTIFICATION SITTING IN
FRONT OF YOU.
00:24:20YOU ARE CONFUSING WHAT IS
REQUIRED UNDER THE 105
00:24:26ATTENDANCE ROLL VERSUS WHAT IS
THEREFORE AN FTE.
00:24:27BECAUSE WE HAVE A DOCUMENT
SIGNED FOR EVERY STUDENT BY FIVE
00:24:34OR SIX TEACHERS WHO WILL LOSE
THEIR LICENSE OVER THAT DOCUMENT
00:24:36, WE WILL BE FINED IN AN AUDIT.
IT IS THE FUTURE OF WHAT HAS TO
00:24:45BE DONE SO THAT SCHOOLS DO NOT
FACE THIS IN THE FUTURE.
00:24:46ANDY: IF ECOT WERE TO LOSE OUT
ON A LOT OF MONEY HERE, IT IS
00:24:52POSSIBLE ECOT COULD CLOSE.
SENATOR SCHIAVONI: IT'S AN
00:24:57ARGUMENT ABOUT POLICY AND RULES
AND OHIO REVISED CODE, BUT WE
00:25:03NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT KIDS.
ECOT IS THE WORST IN THE COUNTRY
00:25:08ACCORDING TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES
."
00:25:12THESE ARE CHOICE GROUPS, SCHOOL
CHOICE GROUPS THAT HAVE SAID WE
00:25:17ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG HERE
WITH YOU SCHOOL LEARNING IN
00:25:20OHIO.
THE KIDS ARE GOING TO BREAK AND
00:25:24MORTAR -- BRICK-AND-MORTAR
SCHOOLS OR YOU SCHOOLS.
00:25:27WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE
ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN
00:25:31LEARNING.
WE ARE MAKING MAJOR ERRORS AND
00:25:38YOU SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW AND WE
NEED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
00:25:40-- IN E SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW AND WE
NEED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
00:25:48ANDY: THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME
TODAY.
00:25:52SENATOR SCHIAVONI: THANK YOU.
NEIL: THANK YOU.
00:25:55KAREN: AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS
WEEK.
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