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KAREN: A BILL THAT WOULD CUT
00:00:38UNEMPLOYMENT PAYMENTS FROM
BUSINESSES AND JOBLESS BENEFITS
00:00:39TO WORKERS IS ON HOLD.
AND CIVILITY IN POLITICS -- IT
00:00:41SOUNDS LIKE AN OXYMORON.
BUT KEY PLAYERS IN POLITICS,
00:00:45COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP, AND
JOURNALISM SAY IT SHOULDN'T BE
00:00:47AND DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.
WE'LL DISCUSS STRATEGIES TO
00:00:50IMPROVE POLITICAL DISCOURSE IN
AN INCREASINGLY DISTASTEFUL,
00:00:53DISTRESSING, AND DESPICABLE
CAMPAIGN YEAR.
00:00:57ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:59KAREN: WE START WITH AN UPDATE
TO A CONTROVERSIAL BILL WE
00:01:12TALKED ABOUT ON THIS SHOW IN
JANUARY.
00:01:15IT IS A MEASURE THAT WOULD CUT
JOBLESS BENEFITS -- AND IT'S ON
00:01:19HOLD FOR NOW.
THE BILL SEEKS TO SHORE UP THE
00:01:21FUND THROUGH WHICH THE STATE
PAYS UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS
00:01:24BEFORE ANOTHER RECESSION.
IT CUTS THE AMOUNT BUSINESSES
00:01:27PAY TO THAT FUND, BECAUSE
REPUBLICAN REP. BARBARA SEARS
00:01:31SAYS THEY'VE BEEN PAYING
PENALTIES AND SURCHARGES INTO
00:01:34THE FUND FOR MORE THAN A DECADE.
BUT THE BILL ALSO SHORTENS THE
00:01:37WINDOW FOR JOBLESS WORKERS TO
GET UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKS FROM 26
00:01:42WEEKS TO BETWEEN 12 AND 20
WEEKS.
00:01:44AND IT CUTS EXTRA BENEFITS TO
WORKERS WITH DEPENDENTS AND
00:01:48DEDUCTS SOME SOCIAL SECURITY
PAYMENTS FROM BENEFITS.
00:01:52SEARS ACKNOWLEDGES THERE WERE
QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT HER BILL
00:01:56BY SENATORS.
REP. SEARS: WE'RE GOING TO BE
00:01:58LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT
COMPONENTS, AND CERTAINLY WEEKS
00:02:01IS A MAJOR PORTION OF THE BILL.
IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST CHANGES.
00:02:07SO, CERTAINLY THAT IS ONE OF THE
THINGS WE'RE HAVING SOME
00:02:10CONVERSATIONS ON.
KAREN: ADVOCATES FOR LOW-INCOME
00:02:12OHIOANS HAD BLASTED THE BILL AS
UNFAIR TO WORKERS AND SAID IT
00:02:15WOULD MAKE IT HARDER TO QUALIFY
FOR JOBLESS BENEFITS IN OHIO
00:02:19THAN ANY OTHER STATE.
LISA HAMLER FUGITT WITH THE OHIO
00:02:22ASSOCIATION OF FOOD BANKS IS
AMONG THE ACTIVISTS FOR HUNDREDS
00:02:25OF GROUPS WHO CALLED ON
LAWMAKERS TO SCRAP THE BILL
00:02:28ENTIRELY AND START OVER.
LISA HAMLER FUGITT: WE LOOK
00:02:31FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
LEGISLATIVE GROUP THAT WILL BE
00:02:34CONVENING TO STUDY THE
IMPLICATIONS AND FIRMLY BELIEVE
00:02:38THAT STAKEHOLDER INPUT, NOT AN
INSIDER DEAL, IS NEEDED TO FIX
00:02:41THE UNEMPLOYMENT SYSTEM IN THE
LONG-TERM.
00:02:44KAREN: SEARS STANDS BEHIND HER
BILL, SAYING THIS PAUSE ISN'T
00:02:47UNUSUAL FOR A BIG PIECE OF
LEGISLATION AND SHE STILL
00:02:51EXPECTS IT TO PASS BEFORE THE
END OF THE YEAR.
00:02:54ALL OF THE WOMEN IN THE OHIO
SENATE -- REPUBLICANS AND
00:02:56DEMOCRATS -- ARE BACKING A NEWLY
INTRODUCED BILL THAT WOULD
00:02:59REQUIRE EMPLOYERS TO MAKE
REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR
00:03:02PREGNANT WORKERS.
THE BILL, WHICH IS ALSO
00:03:04SUPPORTED BY FAITH LEADERS,
WOULD REQUIRE EMPLOYERS TO MAKE
00:03:08ACCOMMODATIONS FOR WORKERS SUCH
AS LIMITING LIFTING.
00:03:13AND THEY WOULD ALSO BE REQUIRED
TO ALLOW PREGNANT EMPLOYEES TO
00:03:15TAKE BATHROOM BREAKS AND ALLOW
NEW MOMS TIME FOR BREAST
00:03:17FEEDING.
THE SENATORS SAY THERE ARE 1600
00:03:20CASES IN OHIO COURTS RIGHT NOW
THAT INVOLVE COMPLAINTS FROM
00:03:23WOMEN WHO HAVE LOST JOBS DUE TO
LACK OF SUCH CONSIDERATIONS.
00:03:28AFTER A SIX-MONTH DELAY, DATA ON
STUDENT PERFORMANCE ON STATE
00:03:32TESTS WAS FINALLY REVEALED BY
THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
00:03:37THIS WEEK.
IT SHOWS SIX OF 609 SCHOOL
00:03:42DISTRICTS GOT "A'S" IN THAT
CATEGORY.
00:03:45THAT'S DOWN FROM 37 DISTRICTS
THAT GOT AN "A" LAST YEAR.
00:03:46MORE THAN HALF OF DISTRICTS
RECEIVED A "C."
00:03:49OFFICIALS HAD WARNED THAT THOSE
SCORES WOULD BE LOWER BECAUSE OF
00:03:52THE CHALLENGING PARCC TESTS THAT
STUDENTS TOOK LAST YEAR, WHICH
00:03:55HAVE NOW BEEN ABANDONED BY THE
STATE AFTER VOCAL COMPLAINTS
00:03:57FROM PARENTS AND TEACHERS.
THOUGH THE SCORES DID DROP ON
00:04:01THIS YEAR'S REPORT CARDS,
DISTRICTS, STUDENTS, AND
00:04:04TEACHERS ARE EXEMPT FROM
CONSEQUENCES TIED TO SCORES
00:04:06BECAUSE THE STATE IS
TRANSITIONING TO A NEW TEST AND
00:04:09NEW STANDARDS.
AND WE NOW KNOW GOV. JOHN KASICH
00:04:12WILL BE BACK IN OHIO FOR AT
LEAST ONE DAY IN APRIL,
00:04:14REGARDLESS OF HOW HIS
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IS GOING.
00:04:18KASICH HAS SET HIS SIXTH "STATE
OF THE STATE" SPEECH FOR
00:04:21WEDNESDAY, APRIL 6, AT 7:00 P.M.
IN MARIETTA, WHICH THE
00:04:24GOVERNOR'S OFFICE NOTES WAS
"OHIO'S FIRST CITY."
00:04:28THAT IS THE LATEST DATE KASICH
HAS EVER DELIVERED HIS ANNUAL
00:04:31ADDRESS TO THE JOINT SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, WHICH THE
00:04:33GOVERNOR HAS TO DO EVERY YEAR IN
PERSON.
00:04:35IT WAS EXPECTED HE WOULD COME TO
SOUTHEAST OHIO, SINCE IT WAS THE
00:04:40ONLY REGION WHERE KASICH HADN'T
HELD THE EVENT.
00:04:42HE WILL DELIVER THE SPEECH IN
THE HISTORIC PEOPLE'S BANK
00:04:45THEATRE WHICH SEATS 920 -- WHICH
MAKES IT THE SMALLEST VENUE FOR
00:04:47THE ADDRESS SINCE KASICH FIRST
BROUGHT HIS "STATE OF THE STATE"
00:04:55SPEECH ON THE ROAD IN 2012.
WE IN OHIO HEAR IT ALL THE TIME
00:04:56-- THIS IS A KEY BATTLEGROUND,
SWING STATE IN A PRESIDENTIAL
00:05:02YEAR.
BUT THE NUMBERS PROVE IT.
00:05:03IN 2012, MORE MONEY WAS SPENT BY
THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN HERE
00:05:06THAN IN ANY OTHER STATE, AND
MORE THAN 60% OF THE ADS THAT
00:05:10WERE BOUGHT IN OHIO WERE
NEGATIVE ADS.
00:05:14THERE'S A REAL CRISIS OF TRUST
BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND ELECTED
00:05:15OFFICIALS.
A POLL FROM THE BLISS INSTITUTE
00:05:18AT THE UNIVERSITY OF AKRON IN
NOVEMBER SHOWED 1/4 OF OHIOANS
00:05:21SURVEYED GAVE AMERICAN POLITICS
A 1 OUT OF 10 WHEN IT COMES TO
00:05:25SATISFACTION.
ONLY 1% SAID THEY WERE AT 10 --
00:05:29COMPLETELY SATISFIED.
48% SAID IN A GALLUP POLL IN
00:05:33JUNE 2015 THAT THEY HAD VERY
LITTLE CONFIDENCE IN CONGRESS.
00:05:365% HAD NONE.
AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST THE
00:05:39MEDIA.
A GALLUP POLL IN 2014 SHOWS ONLY
00:05:4440% OF RESPONDENTS ARE CONFIDENT
THAT THE NEWS MEDIA CAN REPORT
00:05:47THE NEWS "FULLY, ACCURATELY AND
FAIRLY."
00:05:50THAT'S AN ALL-TIME LOW.
AND THERE'S AN INCREASING
00:05:54CONCERN WITH THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN POLITICIANS AND THE
00:05:56MEDIA.
MORE AND MORE ELECTED OFFICIALS,
00:05:58AND THOSE WHO WANT TO BE, ARE
SAYING THEY DON'T TRUST
00:06:01REPORTERS AND DON'T NEED THEM.
IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN,
00:06:04THE G.O.P. LEADER, DONALD TRUMP,
HAS REPEATEDLY INSULTED
00:06:08REPORTERS AT PUBLIC EVENTS AND
ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND ATTENDEES
00:06:11AT HIS RALLIES HAVE HARASSED AND
INSULTED JOURNALISTS COVERING
00:06:14THOSE EVENTS.
TED CRUZ SENT OUT A FUNDRAISING
00:06:20E-MAIL RECENTLY MENTIONING,
"MISLEADING INFORMATION FLYING
00:06:23AROUND ON CABLE TV... AND THE
SO-CALLED 'MAINSTREAM MEDIA.'"
00:06:26HOW DID ALL THIS MISTRUST,
ANIMOSITY, AND DISGUST HAPPEN?
00:06:30A FEW MONTHS AGO, A GROUP OF
POLITICIANS, COMMUNITY LEADERS,
00:06:33AND JOURNALISTS MET IN A
COLUMBUS HOTEL TO TALK ABOUT
00:06:37THAT AND HOW TO IMPROVE THE
SITUATION THOUGH CIVIL POLITICAL
00:06:39DISCOURSE AND A FREE AND
RESPECTFUL EXCHANGE OF IDEAS.
00:06:42IT WAS A FASCINATING SESSION.
THE MEMBERS OF THE GROUPS SHARED
00:06:45THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE WORK OF
THE OTHER GROUPS AND IDEAS WERE
00:06:48EXCHANGED ON HOW TO IMPROVE
RELATIONSHIPS AND FOSTER RESPECT
00:06:51AND ATTENTION TO SUBSTANTIVE
ISSUES.
00:06:55THE OHIO CIVILITY CONSORTIUM WAS
BORN THEN AND HAS BEEN SHARING
00:06:58THE MISSION OF FOCUSING ON
INFORMATION AND INSIGHT, AND
00:07:03ELEVATING VOTERS' CONCERNS ABOVE
PERSONALITY CLASHES AND NEGATIVE
00:07:07ADVERTISING, THROUGH MEDIA
PARTNERS AND GROUPS THROUGHOUT
00:07:09THE STATE. BUT WITH SO MUCH OF
THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AHEAD,
00:07:12THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO DO.
AND THERE'S A BIG EVENT IN WHICH
00:07:17TO DISCUSS ALL THIS COMING ON
MARCH 18 AT THE STATEHOUSE,
00:07:21THREE DAYS AFTER THE PRIMARY.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE OHIO
00:07:23CIVILITY CONSORTIUM ARE TWO
MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP.
00:07:25DOUG OPLINGER IS THE MANAGING
EDITOR OF THE "AKRON BEACON
00:07:28JOURNAL."
HAGIT LIMOR IS AN AWARD WINNING
00:07:31INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER IN THE
CINCINNATI AREA AND IS A
00:07:33PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
CINCINNATI.
00:07:37THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
IT IS FUN TO TALK TO OTHER
00:07:39JOURNALISTS EVEN THOUGH WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT A SERIOUS SUBJECT.
00:07:42THE IDEA OF INCIVILITY IN
POLITICAL DISCOURSE IS NOT NEW.
00:07:46WHY TALK ABOUT THIS NOW?
WHAT GOT IT TO THE POINT WE
00:07:54WANTED TO COME TOGETHER AND
FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO?
00:07:55MR. OPLINGER: IT HAS ALWAYS
HAPPENED IN THE BACK ROOMS ON
00:07:59THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL'S.
YOU HAVE THE OPERATIVES IN THE
00:08:01CAMPAIGNS DOING THE DIRTY WORK
WHILE THE CANDIDATE WITHOUT
00:08:06FRONT LOOKING SWEET.
IT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AFTER
00:08:12THE RECESSION, PEOPLE STARTED
GETTING ANGRY ABOUT THE STATE OF
00:08:15THE ECONOMY.
YOU HAVE SEEN THE TEA PARTY AND
00:08:18OCCUPY WALL STREET BUBBLE UP.
PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO SAY
00:08:22THINGS THEY ARE THINKING.
A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES HAVE
00:08:24FIGURED OUT WE ARE GOING TO SAY
THE SAME THING.
00:08:28NOW YOU SEE DONALD TRUMP SAYING
THINGS PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
00:08:33THEY ARE SAYING, "THIS IS GREAT,
THIS GUY IS REAL.
00:08:38HE IS SAYING WHAT WE ARE
SAYING."
00:08:39KAREN: THAT FEEDS INTO WHAT WE
DO AS JOURNALISTS, THIS WILL
00:08:44IDEA OF ANGER AND FEAR SEEM TO
BE CAMPAIGN THEMES.
00:08:47AREN'T WE COMPLICIT IN PUSHING
THOSE THINGS FORWARD BECAUSE
00:08:54THEY MAKE FOR GREAT TELEVISION
AND RADIO?
00:08:55MS. LIMOR: THEY DO, BUT THE
PUBLIC GETS TIRED OF THE
00:09:02POLITICIANS AND US.
THEY FEEL WE ARE IN THE POCKET
00:09:05OF THE POLITICIANS.
THAT ALL WE DO IS COME AND AND
00:09:07REPEAT THE SAME STUMP SPEECH,
THAT WE DON'T ASK ORIGINAL AND
00:09:12LOCAL QUESTIONS THAT APPLY TO
EACH MARKET WHERE WE GO.
00:09:14FRANKLY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
IT, YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM
00:09:20COMPLETELY.
WE SET OURSELVES UP AS THE
00:09:23FOURTH ESTATE, LIKE WE WERE THE
FOURTH BRANCH ALMOST, LIKE IT IS
00:09:28A WALL.
INSTEAD WHAT WE NEED TO BE IS A
00:09:31BRIDGE.
WE NEED TO BE A BRIDGE TO THE
00:09:34PEOPLE WHO WE REPORT TO.
THEY ARE OUR CUSTOMERS.
00:09:37WE ARE THEY.
WE LIVE IN THE SAME COMMUNITIES
00:09:41AS EVERYBODY OUT THERE.
WE ARE JOURNALISTS, BUT WE ARE
00:09:45CITIZENS.
SO WE NEED TO BE PROVIDING
00:09:49INFORMATION AND ASKING QUESTIONS
AND NOT REPEATING.
00:09:52IT IS NOT JUST CHILD.
IT IS ALL OF THEM.
00:09:56IT IS NOT JUST TRYING.
IT IS ALL OF THEM.
00:09:59WE OWE THE PUBLIC ORIGINAL
REPORTING AS OPPOSED TO THE SAME
00:10:04SPEECH OVER AND OVER.
KAREN: HOW DO WE MAKE THAT
00:10:06HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE?
WE HAVE THE G.O.P. DEBATE.
00:10:10WE HAVE A PRIMARY COMING UP.
WE HAVE A CONVENTION IN
00:10:12CLEVELAND.
WE HAVE THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF
00:10:15BAIT IN OHIO.
IN YOUR NEWSROOM, HOW DO YOU
00:10:17APPROACH A DIFFERENT WAY OF
COVERING THESE THINGS?
00:10:19WE HAVE COVERED THEM THE SAME
WAY SO MANY TIMES.
00:10:24HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT
DIFFERENTLY THIS TIME?
00:10:25MR. OPLINGER: THE THING WE ARE
INSISTING ON IS REPORTERS SPEND
00:10:31TIME WITH REGULAR PEOPLE IN THE
COMMUNITY.
00:10:32OUR POLITICS REPORTER HAS
BROUGHT IN GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO
00:10:38SUPPORT DIFFERENT CANDIDATES AND
LISTENED TO THEM AND TRIED TO
00:10:42APPRECIATE THE REASONS THEY
THINK THE WAY THEY DO AND THE
00:10:47REASONS THEY SUPPORT THIS
PARTICULAR CANDIDATE.
00:10:48THAT HELPS US GET A SENSE OF
WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM AND
00:10:52REALIZING THERE ARE 11 MILLION
DIFFERENT STORIES IN OHIO AS TO
00:11:00WHY PEOPLE SUPPORT DIFFERENT
CANDIDATES.
00:11:01SOMEHOW, WE HAVE TO GET AN
UNDERSTANDING OF THAT AND TELL
00:11:05THOSE STORIES SO PEOPLE SEE
THEMSELVES AS A PART OF THE
00:11:09POLITICAL AND DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS.
00:11:10KAREN: I KNOW YOU HAVE MOVED ON
FROM THE COMMERCIAL GRIND.
00:11:14CERTAINLY THE IDEA OF READINGS
AND GETTING PEOPLE TO WATCH AND
00:11:19CLICK ON THE WEBSITE DRIVES A
LOT OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
00:11:22MEDIA.
HOW DO YOU CONVINCE NEWSROOM
00:11:25MANAGERS, REPORTERS, THAT IF WE
FOCUS ON PERSONAL STORIES AND
00:11:31ISSUES INSTEAD OF JUST COVERING
THE POLLS, HOW DO YOU CONVINCE
00:11:36THE MOVEMENT IN THAT DIRECTION?
MS. LIMOR: I DON'T THINK IT IS
00:11:41AS TOUGH AS IT USED TO BE
BECAUSE MANAGERS, REPORTERS,
00:11:44EVERYONE REALIZES WE HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
00:11:46WE ARE LOSING PEOPLE.
AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, MEDIA IS
00:11:49CHANGING.
IT IS MOVING MORE ONLINE.
00:11:51WE NEED TO ENGAGE PEOPLE.
WHO ARE WE GOING TO ENGAGE?
00:11:54WHO ARE GOING TO BE OUR NEW
VIEWERS AND READERS?
00:11:58MILLENIALS.
HOW DO WE ENGAGE THEM?
00:12:00WE HAVE TO TALK THE LANGUAGE
THEY TALK.
00:12:03WE JUST HAD A MEETING TODAY WITH
THE OHIO NEWSPAPER ASSOCIATION.
00:12:08SOMEBODY SAID, WHY ARE WE AFRAID
TO BASICALLY TELL PEOPLE WE ASK
00:12:16QUESTIONS OF CANDIDATES AND THEY
DID NOT ANSWER THEM?
00:12:19INSTEAD, WE JUST REPORTED THE
SAME STUMP SPEECH.
00:12:22WHY CAN'T WE SAY, WE WANTED TO
ASK LOCAL QUESTIONS AND THEY
00:12:27WOULD NOT ANSWER THEM?
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD
00:12:29REPORT.
INSTEAD OF REPORTING THE SAME
00:12:31THING, THIS IS WHAT WILL GET NEW
CLICKS, NEW VIEWERS, NEW
00:12:36READERS.
MILLENIALS WANT YOU TO ASK
00:12:41PERSONAL QUESTIONS TO THAT
COMMUNITY.
00:12:42I THINK THAT IS HOW WE REACH
THEM.
00:12:44KAREN: THE IDEA OF MILLENNIAL'S
BEING INTERESTED, WE KEEP
00:12:47HEARING MILLENNIALS ONE THING'S
QUICK AND EDGY -- WANT THINGS
00:12:54QUICK AND EDGY.
CAN WE HAVE ISSUE-ORIENTED
00:12:58REPORTING THAT IS EDGY?
MS. LIMOR: ABSOLUTELY.
00:13:00WHEN YOU INTERVIEW ANY
POLITICIAN, THERE IS NO WAY YOU
00:13:05CANNOT PRESENT IT IN A WAY THAT
IS CLICKABLE.
00:13:07I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS
ISSUE AND THIS ISSUE AND GIVE
00:13:13YOU THAT ANSWER IN FIVE OR SIX
DIFFERENT STORIES YOU CLICK ON.
00:13:15THAT IS HOW MILLENIALSS WANT TO
CONSUME IT.
00:13:17KAREN: IS IT DIFFICULT IN
NEWSPAPERS TO ADAPT THESE THINGS
00:13:22BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH
AN AUDIENCE WE KEEP GETTING TOLD
00:13:25IS NOT READING NEWSPAPERS
ANYMORE?
00:13:26MR. OPLINGER: MOST DEFINITELY.
I THINK THERE IS A GROWING
00:13:28UNDERSTANDING EACH REPORTER IS
HIS OR HER OWN CIRCULATION
00:13:33DEPARTMENT.
YOU ARE NOT RELYING ON THE
00:13:38PEOPLE WHO DELIVER THE
NEWSPAPERS EACH DAY ANYMORE TO
00:13:40DELIVER YOUR PRODUCT.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHO YOUR
00:13:42AUDIENCE IS AND YOU NEED TO
REACH THEM THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA
00:13:45AND BLOGS AND GET YOUR MESSAGE
OUT THAT WAY.
00:13:49KAREN: THERE WAS IN THIS
DISCUSSION AT THE OF TELL --
00:13:55HOTEL I REFERENCED WHERE WE
TALKED ABOUT THINGS CLICKABLE
00:13:57ONLINE.
WHEN YOU CLICK ON SOMETHING,
00:14:04THAT SENDS A MESSAGE TO A MEDIA
OUTLET THAT THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE
00:14:05ARE INTERESTED IN.
DO YOU FEEL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
00:14:07CLICK ON THINGS THAT ARE MORE
SUBSTANTIVE?
00:14:10DO YOU THINK IT IS UP TO THE
VOTER, THE VIEWER, THE READER,
00:14:15TO CLICK ON THESE THINGS?
MR. OPLINGER: THAT WAS AN
00:14:18AMAZING CONVERSATION, WHEN
CITIZENS RECOGNIZED WE LOOK AT
00:14:23HOW OFTEN THEY CLICK ON STORIES.
THERE IS EXTREME DANGER IN THAT.
00:14:27WE DON'T WANT REPORTERS TO BE
LOOKING FOR STORIES TO GET
00:14:30CLICKS.
WE WANT REPORTERS TO BE WRITING
00:14:34STORIES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO
OUR DAILY LIVES THAT GET CLICKS.
00:14:37WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW FASHION THE
INFORMATION AND KNOW THAT PEOPLE
00:14:44ARE CONSUMING IT.
THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM WE
00:14:46FACE.
WE HAVE NEVER KNOWN, IS ANYBODY
00:14:50READING WHAT WE ARE DOING?
NOW WE DO KNOW.
00:14:51IF YOU THINK THAT STORY IS THAT
IMPORTANT TO DO, THEN YOU NEED
00:14:59TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE PRESENTING
IT IN WAYS THAT GET CLICKS.
00:15:00KAREN: THE PERSONAL STORIES,
PUTTING REAL PEOPLE OUT THERE
00:15:04DOES HELP A LOT I WOULD THINK
TRANSLATE THE ISSUE FROM THIS
00:15:08HIGHLIGHTED POLITICS TO
REAL-LIFE.
00:15:09MS. LIMOR: I THINK THAT WAS THE
BEST THING FROM THE MEETING YOU
00:15:14REFERENCED.
I THOUGHT ALL ALONG IN MY CAREER
00:15:17THAT I WAS SERVING THE PUBLIC BY
DOING OUR STORIES.
00:15:20THAT I WAS SO BUSY TRYING TO GET
EVERY POINT OF VIEW, AND WHAT I
00:15:27WAS NOT DOING WAS HEARING
NECESSARILY WHAT THE PUBLIC
00:15:31WANTED.
I NEVER REALLY TRIED TO FIND OUT
00:15:35-- WITH THIS NEW INITIATIVE, WE
ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THE MOST
00:15:41IMPORTANT ISSUES TO THE VOTERS.
AND THEN, WRITING THE STORIES
00:15:46THEY ARE GOING TO WANT TO CLICK
ON.
00:15:47IT IS GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
IT IS GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS
00:15:51BECAUSE THEY GET THE STORIES
THEY WANT.
00:15:52IT IS GOOD FOR BUSINESS BECAUSE
THEY WANT TO READ AND CLICK ON
00:15:56THE STORIES WE WRITE.
KAREN: DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO
00:15:59PLAY BALL FOR THIS TO WORK?
DO ALL MEDIA OUTLETS HAVE TO
00:16:02JOIN IN?
THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE
00:16:04DIFFERENT MISSIONS.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE
00:16:07THE MISSION WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT.
00:16:08THEY HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THEY
WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
00:16:11PERHAPS THEY HAVE CANDIDATES
THEY WANT TO SEE DO WELL.
00:16:14DOESN'T EVERYBODY HAVE TO PLAY
BALL FOR THIS TO WORK?
00:16:16MR. OPLINGER: WE WERE JUST IN A
SESSION WHERE THIS WAS A LIVELY
00:16:21DEBATE.
SOME PEOPLE BELIEVED GATHERING
00:16:23THIS INFORMATION AND TELLING THE
CANDIDATES WE ARE NOT GOING TO
00:16:28TALK ABOUT THE WALL ALONG THE
MEXICAN BORDER, WE WANT TO TALK
00:16:32ABOUT JOBS AND THE ECONOMY
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT OHIOANS
00:16:36HAVE IDENTIFIED AS THE MOST
IMPORTANT ISSUE.
00:16:37SOME SAID THAT HIS ADVOCACY
JOURNALISM.
00:16:40I THINK WE AGREE BY KNOWING WHAT
IS IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE OF
00:16:48OHIO, IN DOING THE RESEARCH AND
KNOWING THE DATA BEHIND THAT, WE
00:16:52CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS OHIOANS
FEEL THEY NEED TO HAVE ANSWERED
00:16:58TO BE INFORMED VOTERS.
WE SHOULD NOT BE ATTACHED TO THE
00:17:04CANDIDATES AND DELIVERING THE
CANDIDATES' MESSAGE.
00:17:08WE NEED TO BE DELIVERING THE
MESSAGES OF THE 11 MILLION
00:17:13PEOPLE TO THE CANDIDATES AND
SAY, TALK TO OUR PEOPLE.
00:17:15THAT IS THE CONVERSATION
JOURNALISTS NEED TO BE IN CHARGE
00:17:18OF.
KAREN: IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO
00:17:22SEND A MESSAGE TO OTHER
JOURNALISTS.
00:17:24YOU ARE DOING THIS AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI.
00:17:26THIS TAKES WORK ON THE
JOURNALISTS' PART.
00:17:30YOU CANNOT SHOW UP AND PARENT A
SPEECH.
00:17:35YOU HAVE TO DO RESEARCH, TALK TO
PEOPLE, LEARN ABOUT THE ISSUES,
00:17:40AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO PRESENT A
STORY PEOPLE WILL WANT TO READ
00:17:42AND CLICK ON.
MS. LIMOR: ABSOLUTELY.
00:17:43YOU CANNOT BE THE STENOGRAPHER.
YOU HAVE TO DO THE ACTUAL
00:17:47RESEARCH.
THE ISSUE OF ADVOCACY SEEMS FOR
00:17:51SOME JOURNALISTS LIKE A
JOURNALISTS --LIKE A DIRTY WORD.
00:17:54AS I SAID TODAY IN OUR SESSION,
WE ARE ADVOCATES.
00:17:58WE ARE ADVOCATES FOR THE TRUTH.
WE ARE ADVOCATES FOR OPEN
00:18:01RECORDS, ACCESS TO PUBLIC
OFFICIALS.
00:18:04WE HAVE BEEN ADVOCATES ALL
ALONG.
00:18:06NOW I AM SAYING LET'S ALSO BE
ADVOCATES FOR THE CITIZENS.
00:18:09LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES.
LET'S DO IT IN A CIVIL MANNER
00:18:15BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS THE
HALLMARK OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN
00:18:20THIS ELECTION SEASON WITH THIS
INCIVILITY ON MANY CAMPAIGNS.
00:18:23I'M NOT GOING TO NAME ANY NAMES
BECAUSE PROBABLY ALMOST EVERYONE
00:18:30COULD BE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF
THAT.
00:18:31THE POSITIVE I WANT TO SAY IS I
SEE A LOT MORE ENGAGEMENT IN
00:18:35THIS ELECTION.
EVEN IF PEOPLE ARE ENGAGED IN A
00:18:41WAY THAT OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT FIND
OFFENSIVE, THERE IS A LOT OF
00:18:43ENGAGEMENT RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT ON
00:18:46THE PART OF YOUNG PEOPLE RIGHT
NOW.
00:18:47KAREN: WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN THE
DEBATE NUMBERS.
00:18:50THESE DEBATES HAVE BEEN ON CABLE
TELEVISION ON CHANNELS PEOPLE
00:18:55DON'T NECESSARILY WATCH.
THEY HAVE COME IN GOOD.
00:18:57PEOPLE ARE WATCHING.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS PEOPLE
00:19:04TALK ABOUT ARE THE POLLS.
THE POLLS SAY DONALD TRUMP IS
00:19:08LEAVING, TED CRUZ IS LEADING.
THAT HORSERACE MENTALITY HAS
00:19:12BEEN PART OF POLITICAL
JOURNALISM FOR A LONG TIME.
00:19:13HOW DO YOU GET PAST THAT AND
REPORT ON POLLS BUT MOVE ON AND
00:19:17GIVE CONTEXT TO THAT?
MR. OPLINGER: THAT GOES TO YOUR
00:19:20EARLY QUESTION OF BY ANX -- OF
BUY IN.
00:19:25THE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS
COLLABORATING ON THIS PROJECT
00:19:30SAID WE ARE GOING TO DO A POLL
THAT ASSESSES THE ISSUES FOR
00:19:35OHIOANS.
THAT IS IN THE WORKS.
00:19:39WE ARE ALSO GOING TO DO DATA
RESEARCH.
00:19:41RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL
NEWS ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE
00:19:48SPLIT UP THE TASK OF GETTING
ECONOMIC DATA ABOUT OHIOANS.
00:19:50ALL 88 COUNTIES OVER 15 YEARS,
SINCE 2000.
00:19:54WE'VE GATHERED THE DATA.
WE HAVE POSTED IT WHERE WE CAN
00:20:00SHARE AND EXAMINE IT.
THERE ARE EDITORS AND REPORTERS
00:20:03SAYING THIS IS INCREDIBLE STUFF.
WE ARE BEGINNING TO SEE STORIES
00:20:08COME OUT OF THAT.
STORIES THAT WE HAVE MISSED
00:20:11ABOUT OUR OWN ECONOMY.
WE ARE LEARNING THINGS WE DID
00:20:14NOT KNOW.
THAT EMPOWERS THE JOURNALISTS AS
00:20:17WE WORK TOGETHER, GATHER DATA
AND STORIES, TO BE MORE
00:20:22EFFECTIVE JOURNALISTS AS WE
COVER THE CAMPAIGN.
00:20:24THE MORE THAT BUY INTO THAT, THE
MORE POWERFUL WE ARE IN DOING
00:20:29THE JOB WE NEED TO DO.
KAREN: BECAUSE WE HAVE SOCIAL
00:20:33MEDIA AND WEBSITES, WE HAVE ALL
THESE WAYS TO ENGAGE PEOPLE, WE
00:20:38HAVE LESS TIME ON THE AIR SO TO
SPEAK.
00:20:3945 SECONDS, A MINUTE HERE AND
THERE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS
00:20:45TO ENGAGE PEOPLE AND HAVE
CONVERSATIONS.
00:20:46MS. LIMOR: THERE ARE MORE
OPPORTUNITIES THAN EVER.
00:20:49PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE DEATH OF
CERTAIN KINDS OF MEDIA.
00:20:52I FIND THAT RIDICULOUS.
I FEEL THERE ARE MORE
00:20:55OPPORTUNITIES THAN THERE EVER
HAVE BEEN.
00:20:56PEOPLE SAY THE MEDIA IS SHARING
INFORMATION?
00:21:01AREN'T YOU SUPPOSED TO BE
COMPETITIVE?
00:21:03DOESN'T THAT RESTRICT THE NUMBER
OF STORIES?
00:21:06NO, BECAUSE WITH ADA YOU CAN GO
1000 -- DATA YOU CAN GO 1000
00:21:11DIRECTIONS.
NO TWO GREAT MINDS ARE GOING TO
00:21:15THINK THE SAME WAY.
THERE ARE MANY GREAT STORIES.
00:21:17THERE IS NO PROBLEM MAKING THE
RESEARCH WORK AVAILABLE TO
00:21:24EVERYONE AND LETTING EVERYONE
USE IT FOR THE POLITICAL GOOD.
00:21:26KAREN: DO YOU THINK THIS YEAR
WILL BE A WATERSHED TOWARD
00:21:29CHANGING THE WAY POLITICAL
COVERAGE HAPPENS?
00:21:31IS THIS JUST A STEP TOWARD AN
OVERALL CHANGE THAT WILL HAPPEN
00:21:35IN TIME?
MR. OPLINGER: ONE STEP AT A
00:21:37TIME.
I LEARNED COVERING STATE
00:21:39GOVERNMENT THAT YOU CAN DROP THE
BIG ONE AND EVERYTHING GOES
00:21:44SILENT.
YOU HOPE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN.
00:21:46SOMETHING DOES EVENTUALLY.
YOU CANNOT SEE A MOMENT IN TIME
00:21:54WHEN EVERYTHING CHANGED.
I SEE THIS AS A STEP IN THE
00:21:57RIGHT DIRECTION.
HOPEFULLY, ALL THE JOURNALISTS
00:22:00LEARN SOMETHING AND PEOPLE IN
OHIO SEE THEMSELVES A BIT MORE
00:22:05REPRESENTED IN THE PROCESS.
KAREN: THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO
00:22:09COME, TALKING ABOUT THE MARCH
EVENT WE ARE TRYING TO PUT
00:22:10TOGETHER.
WE HAVE AN EVENT AT THE
00:22:14STATEHOUSE IN MARCH.
IT IS GOING TO BRING OUT THESE
00:22:16IDEAS.
PEOPLE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
00:22:19TO YOUR MORE ABOUT THEM.
MR. OPLINGER: THERE IS A
00:22:24CIVILITY MOVEMENT THAT HAS GROWN
OUT OF SOME THINGS WE DID IN
00:22:272012 AND OUT OF THE LEGACY
COMMITTEE AT THE STATE BAR
00:22:32ASSOCIATION.
THEY ARE ASKING PEOPLE HOW WE
00:22:35HAVE REASONED CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT TOUGH ISSUES.
00:22:37OUT OF THIS HAS COME A PLAN FOR
A STATEWIDE EVENT.
00:22:44THE FRIDAY AFTER THE MARCH
PRIMARY, IT WILL BE SEVERAL
00:22:48HOURS LONG IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN
ENGAGE ON THEIR CELLPHONES,
00:22:52TELEVISION, OR AT THE
STATEHOUSE.
00:22:54THEY WILL BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT DIVIDES US, WHAT UNITES US,
00:23:00HOW WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
THERE WILL BE A TAKEOUT ON WHAT
00:23:04THE MEDIA IS DOING, HOW CAN WE
HOLD THE MEDIA ACCOUNTABLE.
00:23:07THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN
GROWING.
00:23:10OHIOANS HAVE RECOGNIZED WE ARE
THE PLACE WHERE THE SCORCHED
00:23:16EARTH POLICY HAPPENS EVERY FOUR
YEARS, AND WE ARE TIRED OF IT.
00:23:19SOMEHOW, WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE
THE CONVERSATION.
00:23:23YOU HAVE CITIZENS THINKING THE
SAME WAY AS JOURNALISTS.
00:23:26IT IS KIND OF A PERFECT STORM.
THERE ARE SOME NATIONAL
00:23:30ENGAGEMENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT
SEE THIS HAPPENING.
00:23:32THEY ARE SAYING COOL THINGS
HAPPENING IN OHIO, WE WILL BE
00:23:35THERE.
MS. LIMOR: THERE ARE ELECTED
00:23:37OFFICIALS OR PUBLIC SERVANTS
WERE PART OF THIS PROCESS AS
00:23:41WELL.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING LIKE THE
00:23:44CITIZENS AND JOURNALISTS GETTING
TOGETHER AND TRYING TO GANG UP
00:23:46ON ANYONE.
IT IS GOING TO TAKE EVERYONE
00:23:48TOGETHER, INCLUDING ELECTED
OFFICIALS AND OTHER PUBLIC
00:23:52SERVANTS, TO MAKE THIS WORK.
WE HAVE TO ALL WORK TOGETHER.
00:23:55YES, THE FOURTH ESTATE, WE ARE
THE WATCHDOGS.
00:24:00WE ARE GOING TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE
PUBLIC SERVANTS.
00:24:02BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE CANNOT
HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP THAT
00:24:06TRIES TO SOLVE SOME PROBLEMS
BEFORE WE HAVE TO POINT THEM OUT
00:24:10AFTER THEY BECOME HUGE ISSUES.
KAREN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
00:24:14BEING HERE.
WE WILL SEE YOU IN MARCH.
00:24:17AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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