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00:00:28KAREN: LAWMAKERS HEAD HOME FOR
SUMMER RECESS.
00:00:37MEDICAL MARIJUANA HEADS TO THE
GOVERNOR.
00:00:39AND A CLASH COULD BE AHEAD ON
CHARTER SCHOOLS.
00:00:40ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO".
00:00:47STATE LAWMAKERS ARE DONE FOR THE
SUMMER, AND MOST LIKELY WON'T
00:00:49RETURN TO CAPITOL SQUARE TILL
AFTER THE ELECTION.
00:00:52THE ENTIRE OHIO HOUSE AND HALF
THE SENATE IS ON THE BALLOT, SO
00:00:56THERE'S PLENTY FOR THEM TO DO IN
THEIR DISTRICTS.
00:00:58AND THANKS TO THE LAST FEW DAYS,
THERE'S PLENTY OF LEGISLATION
00:01:01THAT WAS DONE THAT THEY CAN TALK
ABOUT.
00:01:07AMONG THE DOZENS OF MEASURES
GIVEN FINAL APPROVAL AND HEADED
00:01:09ON TO THE GOVERNOR ARE BILLS
THAT ALLOW ONLINE VOTER
00:01:10REGISTRATION STARTING NEXT YEAR,
AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION,
00:01:14THAT REQUIRING THE POSTING OF
CASH BONDS BY THOSE WHO SEEK
00:01:16COURT ORDERS TO KEEP POLLING
PLACES OPEN ON ELECTION DAYS,
00:01:21THAT UP THE PUNISHMENT FOR
HURTING COMPANION ANIMAL OR
00:01:24KILLING A POLICE DOG OR HORSE,
THAT ALLOW THE PAYOFF OF
00:01:27UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION FUND
DEBT TO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT,
00:01:36WHICH COULD SAVE EMPLOYERS
MILLIONS IN PENALTIES, THAT
00:01:38CREATE AN ADDRESS
CONFIDENTIALITY PROGRAM FOR
00:01:39DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND HUMAN
TRAFFICKING VICTIMS AND
00:01:45SURVIVORS, THAT EXTEND TO 21 THE
AGE OF ELIGIBILITY FOR FOSTER
00:01:46CARE AND ADOPTION ASSISTANCE,
THAT BAN DOUBLE TAXATION FOR
00:01:51EMERGENCY SERVICES PROVIDED BY
CITIES AND COUNTIES, THAT
00:01:53REQUIRE CPR TRAINING FOR
STUDENTS AND STAFF IN PUBLIC
00:01:55SCHOOLS, AND THAT PERMIT WINE
SALES AT FARMERS MARKETS AND
00:01:56ALSO ON FARMS WHERE THEY ARE
PRODUCED.
00:02:03THE HOUSE MOVED ON QUITE A FEW
BILLS THAT WILL STILL NEED TO
00:02:05PASS THE SENATE, INCLUDING
ADDING DATING VIOLENCE TO
00:02:07DOMESTIC VIOLENCE LAWS, REVISING
THE CIVIL FORFEITURE PROCESS BY
00:02:12WHICH PROSECUTORS CAN SEIZE
PROPERTY AND VALUABLES FROM
00:02:17PEOPLE ACCUSED OF CRIMES,
REQUIRING MEDICAID AND INSURERS
00:02:20TO COVER CRUSH-PROOF
PAINKILLERS, WHICH ARE HARDER TO
00:02:23ABUSE, AND RENAMINGS PORT
COLUMBUS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
00:02:26FOR PIONEERING ASTRONAUT AND
DEMOCRATIC FORMER US SEN.
00:02:30JOHN GLENN, ROUTE 2 IN CUYAHOGA
COUNTY FOR DEMOCRATIC FORMER
00:02:34GOV. RICHARD CELESTE, AND THE
CAPITOL THEATRE IN THE RIFFE
00:02:36TOWER, WHERE HOUSE MEMBERS HAVE
THEIR OFFICES, FOR REPUBLICAN
00:02:39FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER JOANN
DAVIDSON.
00:02:48SENATORS ACTED ON BILLS THAT
STILL NEED TO PASS THE HOUSE
00:02:50THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT FETAL
REMAINS FROM ABORTIONS BE
00:02:51DISPOSED OF BY CREMATION OR
BURIAL, EXPUNGE THE RECORDS OF
00:02:53SURVIVORS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING
FOUND NOT GUILTY OF OFFENSES,
00:02:56AND OVERTURN LOCAL RULES BY
SETTING STATE REGULATIONS ON
00:03:05WHERE PET STORES CAN GET THE
PUPPIES AND DOGS THEY SELL THIS
00:03:10, WAS IN RESPONSE TO SOME
COMMUNITIES PASSING LAWS AGAINST
00:03:12CHILLICOTHE-BASED PETLAND AND
REQUIRING THAT STORES GET THEIR
00:03:14PUPPIES ONLY FROM SHELTERS OR
REGISTERED BREEDERS.
00:03:16BUT BY FAR THE BIGGEST DEAL WAS
THE HISTORIC VOTE TO APPROVE THE
00:03:20LEGALIZATION OF MEDICAL
MARIJUANA, WHICH COULD MAKE OHIO
00:03:22THE 25TH STATE TO DO THAT.
THE BILL, WHICH WAS DRAFTED
00:03:24AFTER HEARINGS BEFORE A TASK
FORCE IN THE HOUSE, DOES NOT
00:03:28ALLOW HOME GROWING, SMOKING, OR
RECREATIONAL USE OF POT, BUT
00:03:32LAYS OUT A SPECIFIC LIST OF
CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH DOCTORS
00:03:34CAN RECOMMEND MARIJUANA TO
PATIENTS WITH WHOM THEY HAVE AN
00:03:37EXISTING RELATIONSHIP.
AS THE HOUSE TASK FORCE WAS
00:03:41MEETING, SEN.
DAVE BURKE OF MARYSVILLE LED A
00:03:43LISTENING TOUR TO SEVERAL CITIES
TO HEAR TESTIMONY ON MEDICAL
00:03:47MARIJUANA.
BURKE SAID HE REMAINS A SKEPTIC,
00:03:50BUT FELT THE BILL IS NEEDED TO
COUNTER AND PERHAPS HALT A
00:03:53COMING BALLOT ISSUE.
>> THE BILL YOU SEE BEFORE YOU
00:04:00TODAY IS SUBJECT TO BE CHANGE
AND MATURITY AS THE WILL OF
00:04:02OHIOANS CHANGE IN MATURITY.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, MR.
00:04:08PRESIDENT, I WOULD END WITH THE
PHRASE THAT THE GREAT STATESMAN
00:04:10EDMUND BURKE SAID QUITE SOME
TIME AGO ON SUBJECTS I WOULD
00:04:14PROBABLY GUESS LIKE THESE, EVIL
FLOURISHES WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO
00:04:18NOTHING.
I WILL REFLECT THE WILL OF MY
00:04:23CONSTITUENTS EVEN THOUGH I
REMAIN A SKEPTIC ON THE SUBJECT
00:04:25ITSELF, BECAUSE I'M HERE NOT TO
REFLECT MY VIEWS, BUT THEIRS.
00:04:29KAREN: BURKE'S PARTNER ON THAT
LISTENING TOUR WAS DEMOCRATIC
00:04:34SEN.
KENNY YUKO OF CLEVELAND HEIGHTS,
00:04:37A LONGTIME SUPPORTER OF MEDICAL
MARIJUANA.
00:04:38HE SAID THE BILL HAS THE
POTENTIAL TO BRING RELIEF TO
00:04:39PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
>> THIS BILL IS NOT PERFECT BUT
00:04:45IT IS WHAT OHIO PATIENTS NEED.
IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO MAKE THEM
00:04:49WAIT ANY LONGER.
IF WE CAN GIVE ONE VETERAN
00:04:51COMFORT, IF WE CAN EASE ONE
PATIENT'S HORRIBLE PAIN, IF WE
00:04:56CAN IMPROVE OR SAVE A CHILD'S
LIFE, THIS BILL WILL BE WORTH
00:04:58IT.
KAREN: THE DEBATE WAS
00:05:01SURPRISINGLY SHORT.
BILL COLEY OF CINCINNATI
00:05:03CONFESSED HE DOESN'T LIKE THE
BILL, BUT SAID HE'D SUPPORT IT
00:05:06, QUOTING HERE, WITH A HEAVY
HEART.
00:05:12>> I CAN WITH A FAIR AMOUNT OF
CERTAINTY SAY THAT THAT TYPE OF
00:05:17WINK-WINK THIS IS MEDICAL, IT'S
REALLY RECREATIONAL.
00:05:24I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WILL GO ON
AND OHIO.
00:05:25I BELIEVE THIS BILL IS WELL
WRITTEN AND THE PEOPLE INVOLVED
00:05:29IN THIS PROCESS HAVE DONE THEIR
JOB.
00:05:30KAREN: THE ONLY SENATOR TO
PUBLICLY SPEAK AGAINST THE BILL
00:05:34WAS REPUBLICAN JAY HOTTINGER OF
NEWARK, WHO SAID HE DOESN'T
00:05:35CHALLENGE THE BENEFITS SOME HAVE
FOUND WITH MEDICAL MARIJUANA,
00:05:37BUT NOTED THAT IT IS STILL A
FEDERALLY BANNED SUBSTANCE AND
00:05:41THEREFORE THERE'S LITTLE
RELIABLE DATA ON ITS
00:05:42EFFECTIVENESS.
>> I CONTINUE TO BE CONTACTED BY
00:05:51PROSECUTORS, LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS, ANTI-DRUG ACTIVISTS
00:05:58AND ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN MY
COMMUNITY.
00:06:03AS A RESULT OF THAT, I WOULD NOT
BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE LEGISLATION
00:06:07BEFORE US TODAY.
KAREN: REPUBLICAN BILL SEITZ OF
00:06:12CINCINNATI SAID HOTTINGER WAS
RIGHT, BUT THAT THE BILL WOULD
00:06:14PAVE THE WAY FOR STATES TO TAKE
CHARGE OF THIS ISSUE.
00:06:17>> WE ARE FINALLY AS A GENERAL
ASSEMBLY SUMMONING UP THE
00:06:21COURAGE TO POINT THE FINGER
WHERE IT DESERVES TO BE POINTED,
00:06:25AND ASKING CONGRESS TO DO THE
RIGHT THING AND RETURN TO THE
00:06:27STATES, WHERE IT BELONGS, THE
POWER TO MAKE OUR OWN DRUG LAWS,
00:06:32JUST LIKE WE ASKED FOR THE SAME
RIGHT TO MAKE OUR OWN
00:06:38ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS.
UNCLE SAM SHOULD NOT BE
00:06:42CONTROLLING EVERYTHING.
KAREN: THE VOTE WAS CLOSE BUT IT
00:06:45, PASSED 18-15, WITH 11
REPUBLICANS AGAINST IT,
00:06:47INCLUDING THE TOP TWO LEADERS IN
THE SENATE, PRESIDENT KEITH
00:06:50FABER OF CELINA AND PRESIDENT
PRO TEM LARRY OBHOF OF MEDINA.
00:06:55FOUR DEMOCRATS JOINED THEM IN
OPPOSING THE BILL, WHICH HAD
00:06:57BEEN BACKED BY HOUSE REPUBLICAN
LEADERSHIP.
00:06:59IT WAS KNOWN ALL ALONG THAT
DEMOCRATS WERE GOING TO BE
00:07:01NEEDED TO PASS THE BILL.
I TALKED WITH MINORITY LEADER
00:07:04JOE SCHIAVONI OF THE YOUNGSTOWN
AREA THE MORNING OF THE VOTE, TO
00:07:07ASK HIM ABOUT THE ROLE HIS
CAUCUS WOULD PLAY IN GETTING
00:07:09THIS BILL PASSED.
>> WOULD THE SENATE DEMOCRATIC
00:07:19CAUCUS WANT SOMETHING IN RETURN,
IN A SENSE?
00:07:20ARE THERE ANY ISSUES YOU WANT TO
SEE PUSH FORWARD THAT WE WOULD
00:07:24ASK FOR MORE CONSIDERATION FROM?
>> OF COURSE THERE ARE.
00:07:28WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSIONS TODAY
ABOUT HOW WE GET THERE,
00:07:31DEVELOPING RELATIONSHIPS MOVING
FORWARD.
00:07:32KAREN: IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED BY
SOME THAT WHAT THE DEMOCRATS
00:07:36WANTED TO SEE HAPPEN WAS THE
ELIMINATION OF A PROVISION IN A
00:07:38BUDGET MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE
SHUT DOWN THE CORRECTIONAL
00:07:39INSTITUTION INSPECTION
COMMITTEE, AN INDEPENDENT
00:07:40WATCHDOG AGENCY THAT INSPECTS
AND EVALUATES THE STATE'S
00:07:42PRISONS.
WHEN CIIC DIRECTOR JOANNA SAUL
00:07:46REPORTEDLY AGREED TO RESIGN, THE
AMENDMENT TO DISMANTLE CIIC WAS
00:07:49REVISED.
THAT ANGERED DEMOCRATIC REP.
00:07:54KEVIN BOYCE OF COLUMBUS, WHO
SPOKE ABOUT IT AT THE END OF THE
00:07:57HOUSE SESSION A FEW HOURS AFTER
THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA VOTE
00:08:01WEDNESDAY.
>> THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT FIRST
00:08:06THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE
FINANCE COMMITTEE 10 MINUTES
00:08:09BEFORE IT WOULD PASS THE BILL
OUT, THE SUBSTITUTE BILL OUT,
00:08:18INCLUDED THESE THINGS.
THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT INCLUDED
00:08:20THE DISSOLVING OF THE ORIGINAL
-- GENTLEMAN, PLEASE ADDRESS AND
00:08:28CAN FIND HIS OR MARKS TO THE
SENATE AMENDMENTS AT HAND.
00:08:29WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT
SENATE AMENDMENTS.
00:08:33>> MR. SPEAKER, THANK YOU FOR
THAT.
00:08:37I KNEW YOU WOULD GAVEL ME OUT OF
ORDER.
00:08:38I KNOW YOU JUST ENJOY GAMBLING
ME OUT OF ORDER WHENEVER YOU
00:08:43HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
FINE.
00:08:44I WON'T GET INTO THE REAL HEART
OF THE BILL THAT EXISTS, AND WE
00:08:53CAN PLAY AROUND AND ACT LIKE IT
DOESN'T EXIST ALL WE WANT, BUT
00:08:54HERE ARE THE FACTS.
KAREN: BUT BOYCE WASN'T
00:09:03FINISHED -- HE CONTINUED TO
BLAST THE PROPOSAL TO DISBAND
00:09:05THE CIIC AS NOT TRANSPARENT AND
NOT PROVIDING OVERSIGHT.
00:09:06THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN BOYCE AND
ROSENBERGER MAY HAVE PROMPTED
00:09:09THESE FINAL REMARKS FROM
MINORITY LEADER FRED STRAHORN OF
00:09:11DAYTON.
>> THANK YOU.
00:09:16FOR THE WAY WE CAN ABLE TO WORK
AND CONDUCT THE PEOPLE'S
00:09:21BUSINESS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF
THE TIME -- SOMETIMES WE DON'T
00:09:26AGREE ON EVERYTHING.
SOMETIMES IT GETS TENSE AROUND
00:09:28HERE.
THAT'S WHAT THE PLACE WAS BUILT
00:09:30FOR.
THE RULES ARE BUILT TO DRIVE
00:09:35CIVILITY SO WE CAN RESOLVE THE
ISSUES IN A FAIR AND RESPECTFUL
00:09:39WAY AS POSSIBLE.
KAREN: AND AS THE LONG AND
00:09:45SOMEWHAT EMOTIONAL DAY MARATHON
SESSION STARTED TO CLOSE, BOYCE
00:09:47WAS SEEN STRIDING UP TO
ROSENBERGER AND EXCHANGED SOME
00:09:48HEATED WORDS WITH HIM RIGHT AS
SESSION WAS ENDING.
00:09:51ROSENBERGER TALKED TO REPORTERS
ABOUT THAT AFTERWARDS.
00:09:53>> I, OF COURSE, ASKED HIM TO
CONFINE HIS REMARKS IN A VERY
00:09:56APPROPRIATE MANNER, AS THE CHAIR
CAN DO TO THE AMENDMENT THAT'S
00:09:58AT HAND.
AND THEN I CONTINUED TO ALLOW
00:10:01LATITUDE FOR HIM TO CONTINUE TO
GO FORWARD, SO -- BUT CLEARLY,
00:10:07IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE THING TO
COME UP AND ACT OUT AS HE WANTS
00:10:12TO CONTINUE TO GO.
KAREN: BACK TO MEDICAL MARIJUANA
00:10:20FOR A MOMENT -- IT'S NOW BEFORE
GOV.
00:10:22JOHN KASICH, WHO HAS GIVEN NO
INDICATION WHEN OR IF HE WOULD
00:10:23SIGN IT.
BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE DOES,
00:10:24THE BACKERS OF AT LEAST ONE OF
THE POTENTIAL BALLOT ISSUES SAY
00:10:26THEY PLAN TO PUSH ON.
OHIOANS FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS
00:10:28PART OF THE NATIONAL MARIJUANA
POLICY PROJECT.
00:10:32ITS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
WOULD ALLOW FOR HOME GROWING AND
00:10:35SMOKING OF MEDICAL POT AND
EXPANDS THE CONDITIONS UNDER
00:10:39WHICH PATIENTS WOULD QUALIFY FOR
MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
00:10:42AARON MARSHALL IS WITH OHIOANS
FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
00:10:48LAWMAKERS SAID PRETTY CLEARLY
THEY THINK THIS BILL WILL
00:10:54REGULATE MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND
MAKE SURE IT'S NOT JUST A WAY TO
00:10:56BRING IN RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA
UNDER THE GUISE OF HELPING
00:10:58PATIENTS.
THEY IMPLY THAT YOURS WOULD BE
00:11:00THAT'S.
GUEST: OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT
00:11:05THEY IMPLY.
BUT IT'S NOT TRUE.
00:11:07THEY ARE SCARED OF THE PEOPLE
HAVING THE RIGHT TO AMEND THE
00:11:12CONSTITUTION AND A WAY THAT
PRESERVES MEDICAL MARIJUANA FOR
00:11:14DECADES TO COME.
THEY THROW OUT THESE FALSE
00:11:17CLAIMS.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO THAT.
00:11:20IN THE SENATE ABOUT HALF THE
FOLKS THAT VOTED YES FOR THAT
00:11:23BILL YESTERDAY OUR TERM LIMITED
OUT BY 2018.
00:11:27WE SHOULD NOT LEAVE THIS UP TO
THE SHIFTING WHEN THE STATE
00:11:33HOUSE -- I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS
A LEGISLATIVE VOTE YESTERDAY OR
00:11:35A JUDO EXERCISE.
WE NEED SOMETHING THAT WILL BE
00:11:43IN THE CONSTITUTION, THAT WILL
STAND THE TEST OF TIME.
00:11:44KAREN: THAT WAS EVEN REFERENCED
BY SENATOR DAVE BURKE THAT A LAW
00:11:50CAN BE CHANGED FOR THE
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT LIKE
00:11:52THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE CANNOT BE.
GUEST: I WOULD NOT VIEW THAT AS
00:11:57A POSITIVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU
CONSIDER THE POLITICAL GAMES WE
00:12:00HAVE SEEN AT THE STATEHOUSE OVER
THE YEARS.
00:12:02KAREN: YOU WERE A STATEHOUSE
REPORTER FOR A FEW YEARS.
00:12:05GUEST: IN MY FORMER LIFE.
KAREN: WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS
00:12:10ABOUT HOW CLOSE IT WAS IN THE
SENATE, AND THE TOP TWO LEADERS
00:12:13OF THE SENATE VOTED AGAINST A
BILL BACKED BY REPUBLICAN
00:12:17LEADERSHIP FROM THE HOUSE?
GUEST: IT'S VERY UNUSUAL.
00:12:21I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER A TIME
WHEN I SAW THAT DURING MY 10
00:12:24YEARS OR SO IN THE STATE HOUSE.
IT JUST SHOWS HOW MUCH THEY HAD
00:12:28TO SCRAMBLE TO GET THE VOTES,
AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE DOING
00:12:34THIS BECAUSE OF OUR BALANCE
ISSUE, NOT BECAUSE THIS IS AN
00:12:38INTRINSIC RIGHT THEY THINK
PEOPLE IN OHIO DESERVE GREAT
00:12:40KAREN: ANOTHER GROUP BASED OUT
OF ATHENS CALLED GRASSROOTS OHIO
00:12:44IS CIRCULATING PETITIONS FOR A
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT
00:12:50WOULD LEGALIZE MARIJUANA AND
HEMP.
00:12:52THEY SAY THAT WOULD COME LATER
IF VOTERS APPROVE THE AMENDMENT.
00:12:57LAWMAKERS ARE OUT OF THE STATE
HOUSE FOR THE SUMMER.
00:13:00THERE ARE TWO SENATE BILLS
DEALING WITH CHARTER SCHOOLS.
00:13:08ONE ALREADY PASSED THE SENATE,
DEALING WITH HIGH-PERFORMING
00:13:11PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
ANOTHER SEEKS A CRACKDOWN ON
00:13:15ONLINE CHARTERS.
THE LATTER BILL IS SPONSORED BY
00:13:21MINORITY LEADER JOE SCHIAVONI OF
BOARDMAN, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE
00:13:23E-SCHOOLS TO KEEP BETTER
ATTENDANCE RECORDS, TO MAKE
00:13:25THEIR GOVERNING BOARDS STREAM
THEIR MEETINGS LIKE SCHOOL-BOARD
00:13:26SESSIONS, AND TO DISPLAY THEIR
REPORT-CARD SCORE ON
00:13:28ADVERTISEMENTS.
I TALKED TO SCHIAVONI ABOUT THE
00:13:33STATUS OF THE BILL, WHICH IS IN
THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE,
00:13:35NOT THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE AS
HE AND THAT COMMITTEE'S CHAIR
00:13:36EXPECTED.
GUEST: WE'VE HAD FOR HEARINGS.
00:13:44WE HAD REALLY GOOD TESTIMONY
FROM TEACHERS AND FORMER STAFF
00:13:47OF BOTH TRADITIONAL AND ONLINE
SCHOOLS SHOWING SOME OF THE
00:13:50SHORTFALLS FOUND OF THOSE ONLINE
SCHOOLS WHEN THEY WERE THERE.
00:13:53THE OPPONENTS OF THE BUILDING
NOT EVEN NECESSARILY OPPOSE THE
00:14:00BILL.
THEY SAID THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS
00:14:02, THEY COULD WORK THROUGH IT,
BUT THEY DID NOT DISAGREE WITH
00:14:07IMPROVING ATTENDANCE AT THESE
SCHOOLS AND STREAMING THEIR
00:14:09SCHOOLBOARD MEETINGS ONLINE.
THERE ARE REAL SIMPLE THINGS.
00:14:13WERE TALKING ABOUT HELPING KIDS,
THE MOST AT RISK KIDS IN THESE
00:14:19ONLINE SCHOOLS.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE
00:14:20LOGGED IN.
IF THEY ARE NOT LOGGED IN, THEY
00:14:23ARE NOT LEARNING AND THEY SURELY
WILL NOT GRADUATE.
00:14:24WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THEM
ALL THE WAY THROUGH FROM START
00:14:29TO FINISH.
IF THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH
00:14:30THEIR ATTENDANCE, IF THEY'RE
HAVING ISSUES WITH THEIR
00:14:35PARTICIPATION ONLINE, WE HAVE TO
TRIGGER INTERVENTIONS BETWEEN
00:14:39TEACHERS, PARENTS, AND THAT
STUDENT TO GET THEM ON TRACK.
00:14:40KAREN: HOW FRUSTRATING IS THAT
FOR YOU?
00:14:52GUEST: I WAS FRUSTRATED
INITIALLY.
00:14:56WE HAD HOUSE BILL 70, KNOWN AS
THE YOUNGSTOWN PLAN.
00:15:03AFTER WE CAME UP WITH
INFORMATION ON EVERYTHING FROM
00:15:11OUR MEETINGS, I PUT IT TOGETHER
IN A BILL.
00:15:14ALL OF A SUDDEN THOSE BILLS AND
UP IN FINANCE.
00:15:19WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY HEARINGS ON
THE YOUNGSTOWN PLAN STILL, BUT
00:15:24WE'VE HAD 4 HEARINGS ON THIS
BILL.
00:15:28NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE CALL
THE VOTE.
00:15:29KAREN: DEMOCRATS FELT LEFT OUT
WHEN KASICH BROUGHT FORWARD HIS
00:15:39YOUNGSTOWN PLAN.
DO YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING LEFT
00:15:40OUT OF THIS?
GUEST: I'VE HAD TWO
00:15:43CONVERSATIONS WITH GOVERNOR
KASICH FACE-TO-FACE ON THIS
00:15:47BILL.
HE'S SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IDEA.
00:15:49HE DID NOT SAY I WILL BE A
PROPONENT OF YOUR BILL, BUT HE
00:15:51IS SUPPORTIVE OF ACCOUNTABILITY
AND TRANSPARENCY IN THE SCHOOLS.
00:15:56HE SAID WE ARE FAILING KIDS IN
THESE AREAS AND WE NEED TO MAKE
00:15:58SURE WE SHORTEN THIS UP.
I'VE ASKED HIM TO LEAN ON THE
00:16:03REPUBLICAN MEMBERS TO PUSH THIS
OUT AND HE SAID HE WOULD HAVE
00:16:05DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
SO, I'M HOPEFUL AND OPTIMISTIC
00:16:13THAT HE WILL DO THAT BECAUSE HE
PROMISED ME HE WILL DO THAT.
00:16:16I BELIEVE WE CAN GET THIS OUT IN
THE FALL.
00:16:19WE WILL NOT PASS IT TODAY
BECAUSE IT'S A LAST DAY OF THE
00:16:21SESSION.
KAREN: WHAT'S THE HOLDUP?
00:16:23GUEST: I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S
BECAUSE OF ALL THE CAMPAIGN
00:16:30CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THESE EASY
OPERATORS HAVE GIVEN THE
00:16:32REPUBLICAN CAUCUSES.
THAT IS FACTUAL.
00:16:36THAT IS FACTUAL.
THAT'S NOT POLITICAL.
00:16:37THOSE ARE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT
HAVE BEEN FLOWING TO THOSE TWO
00:16:40CAUCUSES FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
THERE HASN'T BEEN ACTION ON
00:16:44BILLS LIKE THIS FOR YEARS AND
YEARS.
00:16:47WE'VE GOT TO AND THAT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE MONEY,
00:16:49THAT'S FINE.
WHEN YOU PUSH BILLS THAT MAKE
00:16:53SENSE AND HELP KIDS, LET'S PASS
THEM.
00:16:54I'M NOT ACCUSING THEM OF HOLDING
OF CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS BUT IF
00:17:02YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THEY
GET A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY FROM
00:17:03THOSE GUYS.
KAREN: THERE ARE GOOD CHARTER
00:17:08SCHOOLS.
AND THERE ARE BAD TRADITIONAL
00:17:09PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
YOU HAVE SOME CHARTER SCHOOL OF
00:17:12FICIALS WHO ARE SAYING THE
UNIONS ARE TRYING TO SHUT DOWN
00:17:19CHARTER SCHOOLS AND NOT DOING
ENOUGH ABOUT THE BAD TRADITIONAL
00:17:21SCHOOLS.
GUEST: I THINK THAT'S A FALSE
00:17:25ARGUMENT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN
00:17:27THOUGHT FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS
FAILING, E SCHOOLS THAT ARE
00:17:29FAILING.
THE GOOD CHARTER SCHOOLS AND
00:17:31GOOD E-SCHOOLS ARE FOR BILLS
LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT WEEDS OUT
00:17:37THE BAD ACTORS.
IT MAKE SURE CERTAIN THAT
00:17:41THEY'RE BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT FEARFUL
00:17:46SOMETIMES TO COME FORWARD AND BE
PROPONENTS OF A BILL LIKE THIS,
00:17:50BUT I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH
A LOT OF THE AUTHORS THAT SAY
00:17:52THIS IS SENSIBLE AND WE HAVE TO
MAKE SURE WE GET RID OF BAD
00:17:55ACTORS BECAUSE THEY ARE GIVING A
BLACK EYE TO THE ONES DOING IT
00:17:59RIGHT IN THE CHARTER AND
E-SCHOOL ROUTE.
00:18:01I SUPPORT TEACHERS WHO ARE
WORKING IN TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.
00:18:07I SUPPORT TEACHERS WORKING IN
CHARTER SCHOOLS.
00:18:08I SUPPORT TEACHERS WORKING IN
E-SCHOOLS.
00:18:12IF TEACHERS ARE HELPING SCHOOLS,
I DON'T CARE WHAT MODE THEY ARE
00:18:16USING HERE.
WANT TO HELP TEACHERS HAVE AN
00:18:20OPPORTUNITY TO TEACH OUR KIDS.
SAYING WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP
00:18:25WITH THE TEACHERS, AND THAT'S
WHY WE GO AFTER CHARTER SCHOOLS
00:18:29AND E-SCHOOLS, I DOESN'T MAKE
SENSE.
00:18:32KAREN: PEGGY LEHNER OF KETTERING
CHAIRS THE SENATE EDUCATION
00:18:36COMMITTEE, AND WHILE SHE'S A
SUPPORTER OF CHARTER SCHOOLS,
00:18:38SHE'S SPOKEN OUT ABOUT THE NEED
TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE LAWS
00:18:39GOVERNING THEM.
I TALKED WITH HER ABOUT THE
00:18:41ISSUE THIS WEEK AS WELL.
YOU HAVE EXPRESSED SOME
00:18:46FRUSTRATION OVER SCHIAVONI'S
BILL BEING ASSIGNED TO THE
00:18:48FINANCE COMMITTEE RATHER THAN
YOUR EDUCATION COMMITTEE.
00:18:50WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON HIS
BILL AND WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S
00:18:54IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND NOT
THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE?
00:18:56GUEST: I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK
THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE WHY
00:19:01HE SAID IT THERE.
I THINK HE FELT THERE WERE
00:19:02FINANCIAL APPLICATIONS TO WHAT
SENATOR SCHIAVONI WAS ASKING
00:19:05FOR.
MY FRUSTRATION IS THAT WE HAVE
00:19:09BEEN WORKING ON CHARTER SCHOOL
ISSUES FOR SOME TIME AND THE
00:19:12COMMITTEE HAS DEVELOPED A FAIR
AMOUNT OF EXPERTISE THAT I'M NOT
00:19:15SURE RESIDES IN THE FINANCE
COMMITTEE.
00:19:16THERE ARE SMART PEOPLE AND THEY
WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
00:19:19I THINK IT NEEDS SOME MASSAGING.
WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE
00:19:28SCHOOLS THE WAY THEY WOULD KEEP
ATTENDANCE IS PRETTY BURDENSOME.
00:19:30THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND
THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME
00:19:35MECHANISM TO DO THAT.
ONE OF THE REAL PROBLEMS WITH AN
00:19:41ONLINE EDUCATION IS
PERSEVERANCE.
00:19:44GETTING ONLINE, DOING THE WORK.
WE ARE OFTEN DEALING WITH
00:19:52CHILDREN WHO HAVE STRUGGLED IN A
STRUCTURED CLASSROOM.
00:19:54WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY ALL STRUCTURE
FROM THEM, THEY REALLY FLOUNDER.
00:19:58WHAT WE SEE HAPPEN IS THEY OFTEN
JUST KIND OF DON'T DO THE WORK
00:20:04AND THEN THEY AREN'T LEARNING,
AND THAT DOESN'T WORK, SO THEY
00:20:09EITHER DROP OUT OR GO BACK TO
THEIR SCHOOL AND NOW THEY ARE
00:20:10BEHIND, BACK TO THEIR
TRADITIONAL SCHOOL AND NOW THEY
00:20:14ARE BEHIND IN THEIR WORK.
IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE THAT WE
00:20:18HAVE GOT TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR.
WE HAVE SO MANY KIDS IN ONLINE
00:20:23SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF OHIO
THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY
00:20:26ARE WORKING WELL.
KAREN: THERE'S A BILL THAT
00:20:30PASSED THE SENATE THAT WOULD
DEAL WITH CHARTER SCHOOLS AND
00:20:33HIGH-PERFORMING PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
THIS WOULD CHANGE HOW STUDENTS
00:20:37ARE EVALUATED AND POTENTIALLY
PUT IN A PLAN THAT SOME HAVE
00:20:39CRITICIZED AS LESS THAN ST
RINGENT.
00:20:42THIS BILL HAS BEEN DELAYED UNTIL
AFTER LAME DUCK.
00:20:49WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?
GUEST: IT IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE
00:20:55BEEN TRYING TO AMEND.
THEY TRIED TO DO IT LAST SPRING.
00:21:00IT'S NOT ALL CHARTER SCHOOL
ADVOCATES.
00:21:06IT'S A HANDFUL OF CHARTER SCHOOL
ADVOCATES THAT PREFER THE
00:21:10CALIFORNIA MODEL.
WE PUT INTO HOUSE BILL 2 LAST
00:21:16YEAR THAT WE WERE GOING TO TAKE
A LOOK, WE WOULD HAVE O.D.E.
00:21:22LOOK AT THIS MODEL AND DO SOME
EXPLORATION OF IT, MODEL IT AS
00:21:29IF WE WERE DOING IT, TALK TO
PSYCHOMETRIC SHINS --
00:21:36PSYCHOMETRICIANS AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
00:21:41WE ARE NOT GETTING VERY POSITIVE
RESULTS FROM THOSE ANALYSES.
00:21:42O.D.E. IS DUE TO GIVE THEIR
REPORT DECEMBER 1.
00:21:46I AM ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO
PUTTING THIS IN THEIR
00:21:52LEGISLATION UNTIL WE SEE THE
RESULTS OF THAT STUDY, WHICH IS
00:21:56WHAT THE LEGISLATURE ASKED FOR.
I THINK IT WAS VERY REASONABLE.
00:21:58TO PREEMPT THAT STUDY DOES NOT
MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
00:22:03KAREN: CHARTER SCHOOL LEADERS
HAVE PUSHED BACK ON SOME OF
00:22:08THESE CHANGES, SAYING THEY GO
TOO FAR AND THEY GET AWAY FROM
00:22:12THE GOAL OF CHARTER SCHOOLS,
WHICH WAS TO FREE THOSE SCHOOLS
00:22:16FROM REGULATION SO THEY CAN DO
MORE EXPERIMENTATION AND FIND
00:22:19OUT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MIGHT
WORK.
00:22:20THERE IS AN EDITORIAL, IF A
CHARTER SCHOOL CAN'T PERFORM
00:22:26BETTER THAN A CONVENTIONAL
PUBLIC SCHOOL, THERE'S NO POINT
00:22:28IN HAVING THE CHARTER SCHOOL.
GUEST: THE PURPOSE OF CHARTER
00:22:33SCHOOLS WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN
FORGOTTEN IS TO BE ABLE TO
00:22:37INNOVATE AND TRY DIFFERENT
THINGS, EXPERIMENTS A BIT.
00:22:44ALL KIDS DO NOT LEARN THE SAME
WAY.
00:22:45WE KNOW THAT.
THEY DON'T ALL LEARN UNDER THE
00:22:48SAME ENVIRONMENT.
IF WE CAN COME ACROSS A MODEL
00:22:54THAT REALLY WORKS -- AND THERE
ARE SOME CHARTER SCHOOLS IN THE
00:22:55STATE WHO HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL
JOB OF DOING THAT.
00:22:57DECCA IN MY AREA, THERE'S A
NUMBER OF THEM HERE IN COLUMBUS.
00:23:05I WOULD SAY THEIR NAMES, BUT I
MIGHT GET THEM WRONG.
00:23:07NAMES OF SCHOOLS ARE ALWAYS SO
CLOSE.
00:23:13THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM AROUND
THE STATE THAT HAVE COME UP WITH
00:23:15MODELS THAT WORK.
WE SHOULD CELEBRATE AND FULLY
00:23:19FUND THOSE AND MAKE SURE THEY
HAVE ADEQUATE FACILITY.
00:23:20IF THE MODEL ISN'T WORKING, IF
THE MODEL IS NO IMPROVEMENT OVER
00:23:26WHAT WE ARE DOING, THERE IS A
FINANCIAL BURDEN TO BE FUNDING
00:23:31MULTIPLE SCHOOLS.
IF THE SCHOOLS YOU ARE FUNDING
00:23:35ARE FAILING, THE EXPERIMENT HAS
FAILED.
00:23:40RATHER THAN THE WHOLE EXPERIMENT
OF INNOVATION IN EDUCATION, I
00:23:47THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE TARGETED
AND BE MORE CRITICAL, LOOK AT
00:23:52THE PERFORMANCE OF INDIVIDUAL
SCHOOLS WITH A CRITICAL EYE, AND
00:23:56LOOK TO IMPROVE THOSE IF WE CAN.
AT A CERTAIN POINT WE HAVE TO
00:24:01SAY, THIS MODEL ISN'T WORKING.
KAREN: SENATOR SCHIAVONI SAID HE
00:24:06DOESN'T WANT TO SAY IT'S BECAUSE
OF THE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.
00:24:09HE SAYS THAT'S A FACT, AND THERE
HASN'T BEEN ACTION ON THESE
00:24:16BILLS.
THE DISPATCH EDITORIAL HINTS AT
00:24:18THAT.
YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN.
00:24:24WHAT DO YOU THINK?
GUEST: THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS,
00:24:30AND ITS PUBLIC RECORD.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY LARGE
00:24:31POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS GOING TO
THE LEGISLATURE.
00:24:37FROM SOME OF THE CHARTER SCHOOL
SECTION -- SECTOR.
00:24:46WHETHER THAT IMPACTS HOW PEOPLE
VOTE, THAT IS UP TO THE
00:24:50INDIVIDUAL LEGISLATOR AND THEIR
CONSCIENCE.
00:24:54THERE CERTAINLY IS NO QUESTION
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MONEY
00:24:58OFFERED.
KAREN: SENATOR SCHIAVONI ALSO
00:25:03SAID HE WAS TOLD BY GOVERNOR
JOHN KASICH THAT HE SUPPORTS
00:25:06ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY
AND THAT HE WOULD BE LOOKING AT
00:25:12EXPRESSING THAT TO REPUBLICAN
LAWMAKERS.
00:25:14HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR
ABOUT THIS?
00:25:15GUEST: I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS IN
THE PAST.
00:25:18NOT RECENTLY.
I WOULD LIKE TO CIRCLE AROUND
00:25:23OVER THE SUMMER AND HAVE ANOTHER
CONVERSATION, SEE WHERE HE'S AT.
00:25:25WHEN THE CALIFORNIA MODEL WAS
BEING TALKED ABOUT GOING INTO
00:25:38SENATE BILL 3, THIS OFFICE MADE
A PRETTY STRONG STATEMENT I WAS
00:25:43PLEASED TO SEE.
KAREN: NEXT WEEK MORE FROM
00:25:48SENATORS LEHNER AND SCHIAVONI ON
COMMENTS FROM STATE AUDITOR DAVE
00:25:49YOST, WHO CALLED THE ENTITY THAT
OVERSEES CHARTER SCHOOLS, THE
00:25:51OHIO DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION,
PERHAPS THE WORST RUN AGENCY IN
00:25:53STATE GOVERNMENT.
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