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KAREN: LAWMAKERS RUSH TO CLEAR
00:00:27THEIR DESKS FOR SUMMER BREAK.
PARTY SWITCHING WAS POPULAR IN
00:00:30THE OHIO PRIMARY, BUT IT MIGHT
NOT HAVE HAD AS MUCH OF AN
00:00:33EFFECT AS SOME THOUGHT.
AND THE TWO-YEAR FREEZE ON THE
00:00:39STATE'S GREEN ENERGY STANDARDS
FOR UTILITIES IS ALMOST UP, AND
00:00:41LAWMAKERS HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT TO
DO NEXT.
00:00:43WE'LL HEAR FROM A KEY LAWMAKER
WHO OPPOSES WHAT HE SAYS ARE
00:00:46MANDATES, AND A SUPPORTER WHO
SAYS THEY NEED TO BE BROUGHT
00:00:48BACK.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:51OHIO."
LAWMAKERS ARE SPEEDING TOWARD
00:01:03SUMMER BREAK WITH SEVERAL ROUNDS
OF COMMITTEE HEARINGS AND LOTS
00:01:06OF LEGISLATION.
IN THE HOUSE PASSED NEARLY TWO
00:01:13DOZEN BILLS, INCLUDING MEASURES
EXPANDING HOW IGNITION
00:01:15INTERLOCKS OR IN-CAR
BREATHALYZERS CAN BE USED IN
00:01:16SENTENCES FOR THOSE CONVICTED OF
DRINKING AND DRIVING, INCLUDING
00:01:18FIRST TIME DRUNK DRIVERS, MAKING
KILLING A POLICE DOG A
00:01:23FIRST-DEGREE FELONY, LIFTING THE
MAXIMUM LIMIT ON ALCOHOL IN
00:01:27CRAFT BEER, GRANTING IMMUNITY TO
PEOPLE WHO BREAK WINDOWS TO HELP
00:01:31CHILDREN AND ANIMALS INSIDE
CARS, AND BANNING COMPANIES FROM
00:01:35REQUIRING FEES TO REMOVE MUG
SHOTS OR CRIMINAL RECORD
00:01:37INFORMATION.
THE SENATE PASSED BILLS TO
00:01:40UPDATE TAX LAWS, TO ALLOW
PARAMEDICS AND EMTS TO TREAT
00:01:44INJURED ANIMALS, TO ALLOW
COUNTIES TO CONTRACT WITH
00:01:47CORONERS FROM OTHER COUNTIES IF
THERE'S NO ONE TO FILL THAT
00:01:50OFFICE - FIVE COUNTIES WILL HAVE
NO CORONERS BY THE END OF THE
00:01:53YEAR.
BUT THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA BILL
00:01:56THAT THE HOUSE PASSED LAST WEEK
IS STILL IN A SENATE COMMITTEE.
00:02:00THE BILL WOULD ALLOW MEDICAL
MARIJUANA PRESCRIBED ONLY BY
00:02:03DOCTORS, AND ONLY IN CERTAIN
FORMS, AND IT CAN'T BE SMOKED
00:02:06AND IT CAN'T BE GROWN AT HOME.
AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT
00:02:09WHETHER THE BILL HAS ENOUGH
REPUBLICAN SUPPORT TO PASS.
00:02:12I ASKED SEN. BILL SEITZ OF
CINCINNATI ABOUT THAT.
00:02:16>> THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS AS
LONG AS MARIJUANA IS A SCHEDULE
00:02:23I DRUG, THE ROOM STATES HAVE IS
LIMITED.
00:02:30AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE A
WELL-CRAFTED BILL THAT TRULY
00:02:33FOCUSES ON WHAT 90% OF THE
PEOPLE SUPPORT, WHICH IS MEDICAL
00:02:39MARIJUANA TO ENSURE IT DOES NOT
BECOME A EUPHEMISM FOR
00:02:44RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA THROUGH
THINGS LIKE GIVING IT TO YOU IN
00:02:49PILL FORM, PATCH FORM, ETC., WE
ARE NOT GOING TO LET YOU BUY A
00:02:56BAG OF WEED AND SMOKE IT ON THE
STREET.
00:02:59WE HAVE A TIGHTLY WORDED BILL.
I CONTINUE TO WORK WITH SENATOR
00:03:06BURKE WHO IS SPEARHEADING THE
EFFORT AND IT IS GOING TO BE A
00:03:09CLOSE THING.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE ARE
00:03:11THE VOTES TO PASS THE HOUSE WILL
OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO THE HOUSE
00:03:13BILL.
I THINK IT WILL PASS, BUT IT
00:03:17WILL BE CLOSE.
KAREN: MINORITY LEADER JOE
00:03:21SCHIAVONI OF THE YOUNGSTOWN AREA
NOW FINDS HIS CAUCUS IN AN
00:03:22INTERESTING SITUATION - IT'S
RARE THAT DEMOCRATS ARE NEEDED
00:03:25TO PASS LEGISLATION OUT OF THE
REPUBLICAN-DOMINATED SENATE.
00:03:28SCHIAVONI SAYS THE MEMBERS OF
HIS CAUCUS ARE CONSIDERING THE
00:03:30LEGISLATION CAREFULLY.
>> I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THERE ARE
00:03:34ABSOLUTE DEAL BREAKERS ON THIS.
I'VE HEARD THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT
00:03:41DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CONCERNS AND
SUPPORT FOR THIS WITHIN OUR
00:03:44CAUCUS.
THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS THAT WILL
00:03:47NOT VOTE FOR ANY LEGALIZATION OF
MARIJUANA IN OUR CAUCUS.
00:03:50THERE'S OTHER MEMBERS THAT, AS
LONG AS THERE ARE SOME
00:03:53WELL-THOUGHT-OUT, REALISTIC
IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS AND WE'RE
00:04:00USING MARIJUANA IN ORDER TO HELP
PEOPLE, THEY'RE GOOD WITH IT.
00:04:05SO MOST OF OUR MEMBERS ARE IN
FAVOR OF THE IDEA, BUT HAVE
00:04:10DIFFERENT CONCERNS FOR DIFFERENT
REASONS - SIMILAR TO IN THE
00:04:15HOUSE.
KAREN: AND SCHIAVONI SAYS MOST
00:04:21OF HIS CAUCUS FEELS IT'S JUST A
MATTER OF TIME BEFORE OHIO GETS
00:04:22A MEDICAL MARIJUANA PLAN.
THERE ARE TWO GROUPS CIRCULATING
00:04:24PETITIONS FOR CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD LEGALIZE
00:04:25MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO PUT BEFORE
VOTERS THIS FALL, INCLUDING ONE
00:04:28FROM THE NATIONAL MARIJUANA
POLICY PROJECT, WHICH HAS BEEN
00:04:31INVOLVED IN SUCCESSFUL
LEGISLATION IN OTHER STATES.
00:04:35JOHN KASICH HASN'T DONE ANY
PUBLIC APPEARANCES AS GOVERNOR
00:04:38SINCE LEAVING THE PRESIDENTIAL
CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND RETURNING TO
00:04:40HIS JOB ON CAPITOL SQUARE.
BUT HE DID DO HIS FIRST
00:04:43POST-CAMPAIGN INTERVIEW WITH CNN
THIS WEEK, TELLING ANDERSON
00:04:47COOPER HE WANTED TO STAY IN THE
RACE FOR AT LEAST A FEW DAYS
00:04:51AFTER THE INDIANA PRIMARY
RESULTS FORCED TED CRUZ OUT, BUT
00:04:54THAT HE FELT PUSHED OUT WHEN
REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR REINCE
00:04:58PRIEBUS TWEETED OUT AN
ENDORSEMENT OF TRUMP.
00:05:02>> WHICH I THOUGHT WAS
COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE -- WELL
00:05:04I'M STILL THERE YOU KNOW.
HE JUST WANTED TO GET THIS THING
00:05:11OVER WITH.
I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
00:05:15KAREN: KASICH SAYS HE WON'T RUN
AS A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE,
00:05:17SAYING THAT WOULD BE "KIND OF A
SILLY THING", BUT HASN'T MADE UP
00:05:20HIS MIND ABOUT ENDORSING DONALD
TRUMP.
00:05:27>> I'M UNDECIDED ABOUT WHAT I'M
GOING TO DO IN THIS RACE.
00:05:29KAREN AND KASICH SAID IT WOULD
: BE HARD TO BE TRUMP'S RUNNING
00:05:31MATE UNLESS TRUMP WERE TO - IN
KASICH'S WORDS - BECOME A
00:05:33UNITER.
KASICH ALSO SAID A LACK OF
00:05:35FUNDING HURT HIM, BUT THAT - IN
HIS WORDS - THE BIG MONEY STAYED
00:05:37ON THE SIDELINES.
DEMOCRATS SAY VICE PRESIDENT JOE
00:05:41BIDEN'S VISIT TO OHIO THIS WEEK
WAS ABOUT THE ECONOMY, BUT
00:05:44REPUBLICANS SUGGEST THE STOP WAS
POLITICAL.
00:05:47BIDEN JOINED LABOR SECRETARY
THOMAS PEREZ AND SEN.
00:05:50SHERROD BROWN AT JENI'S SPLENDID
ICE CREAMS IN COLUMBUS TO
00:05:53ANNOUNCE A NEW OVERTIME RULE
THAT COULD AFFECT MORE THAN 4
00:05:56MILLION U.S.
WORKERS.
00:06:00OHIO REPUBLICAN CHAIRMAN MATT
BORGES TOLD REPORTERS AHEAD OF
00:06:03BIDEN'S APPEARANCE THAT THE VICE
PRESIDENT CAME TO OHIO TO HELP
00:06:06HILLARY CLINTON WIN THE STATE
THIS NOVEMBER, SAYING DEMOCRATS
00:06:11ARE "WORRIED ABOUT THE TOP OF
THE TICKET".
00:06:14BUT BROWN TOLD REPORTERS THAT
OHIO WAS SELECTED BECAUSE HIS
00:06:17OFFICE HAS FOUGHT FOR THE MIDDLE
CLASS AND HELPED OVER THE PAST
00:06:25-- HE HELPED CRAFT THE NEW RULE.
THE OHIO PRIMARY WAS GOV.
00:06:28JOHN KASICH'S LONE PRESIDENTIAL
PRIMARY WIN, AND NEW NUMBERS
00:06:30SHOW A LOT MORE DEMOCRATS VOTED
REPUBLICAN THAN VICE VERSA.
00:06:31BEFORE THE PRIMARY, THERE WERE
STORIES OF VOTERS ENCOURAGING
00:06:33PEOPLE TO CROSS PARTIES TO VOTE
FOR OR AGAINST CERTAIN
00:06:36CANDIDATES IN THE MARCH PRIMARY.
ON PRIMARY NIGHT, SECRETARY OF
00:06:41STATE JON HUSTED SAID HIS OFFICE
WOULD HAVE VOTER DATA ON THAT,
00:06:45BUT IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PROVE
THAT TO BE TRUE.
00:06:53>> WE WILL EVENTUALLY.
I WOULD NOT PUT TOO MUCH STOCK
00:06:56IN IT.
SOMETIMES THOSE NUMBERS DEPEND
00:07:01ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A
CONTESTED PRIMARY IN THE LAST
00:07:04ELECTION.
SO YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION,
00:07:09BUT I WOULD NOT PUT A LOT OF
STOCK INTO IT.
00:07:10KAREN: HUSTED'S OFFICE SAID THIS
WEEK THAT THREE TIMES AS MANY
00:07:13DEMOCRATS SWITCHED PARTIES AS
REPUBLICANS DID.
00:07:15OF THE 1.9 MILLION REPUBLICANS
BALLOTS CAST, NEARLY 116,000
00:07:18WERE FROM PEOPLE WHO HAD VOTED
DEMOCRATIC IN A PREVIOUS
00:07:21PRIMARY.
BY CONTRAST, OF THE 1.1 MILLION
00:07:25DEMOCRATIC BALLOTS LOGGED,
NEARLY 35,000 OF THOSE VOTERS
00:07:28HAD BEEN AFFILIATED WITH THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
00:07:33I AM PLEASED TO WELCOME THE
SECRETARY HERE TO TALK TO ME
00:07:39ABOUT THESE NUMBERS.
YOU SAID I SHOULD NOT PUT STOCK
00:07:44INTO THESE NUMBERS.
DO YOU FEEL THAT WAY?
00:07:45MR. HUSTED: HERE ARE THE
TAKEAWAYS FOR ME, FIRST OF ALL,
00:07:53THE VOTERS WERE MOTIVATED.
WE HAD HIGH TURNOUT.
00:07:56THEY WERE MAKING CHOICES ON
WHETHER THEY WANTED TO BE
00:08:02DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS AND I
THINK FOR US TO RUN ELECTIONS,
00:08:06WE CAN EXPECT HIGH VOTER
TURNOUT.
00:08:10THOSE ARE THE IMPORTANT PIECES
OF INFORMATION FOR ME.
00:08:13IF YOU DIG DOWN, THERE ARE SOME
INTERESTING THINGS.
00:08:17THE MAHONEY VALLEY, THE
YOUNGSTOWN MEDIA MARKET, YOU
00:08:22WILL SEE A LARGE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE WHO WERE DEMOCRATS MAKE
00:08:26UP THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTE
AND AROUND 20% OF THE VOTERS
00:08:36FLIPPED FROM DEMOCRAT TO
REPUBLICAN.
00:08:37THAT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER TO
LOOK AT LOOKING AT NOVEMBER AND
00:08:43TO THINK, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN
THOSE PARTS OF THE STATE?
00:08:45KAREN: THIS WAS RECORD
REPUBLICAN TURNOUT.
00:08:52YOU COULD ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THE
FACT GOVERNOR KASICH WAS IN THE
00:08:54RACE.
THE MAHONEY VALLEY, AND
00:08:57ANECDOTES IN THE TOP FIVE
COUNTIES, A RECORD NUMBER OF
00:09:05REPUBLICAN BALLOTS, ALL OF THOSE
COUNTIES WENT FOR TRUMP AND THEY
00:09:14WERE SOLIDLY BLUE IN 2012.
WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THESE
00:09:16ANECDOTES PEOPLE WERE PULLING
REPUBLICANS TO VOTE FOR KASICH?
00:09:21MR. HUSTED: THAT MAY HAVE
HAPPENED IN SOME PLACES.
00:09:29IT ALSO MEANS WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THOSE OTHER NUMBERS ABOUT THE
00:09:35EASTERN OHIO, DONALD TRUMP WAS
STRONG FAIR.
00:09:36A LOT OF PEOPLE TURNED OUT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SWITCHED
00:09:40PARTIES, WHICH IS THE CASE HE
HAS BEEN TRYING TO MAKE, HE WILL
00:09:44BRING NEW PEOPLE TO THE
REPUBLICAN EQUATION AND THERE IS
00:09:48A LITTLE EVIDENCE HE WAS
SUCCESSFUL.
00:09:50KAREN: THIS WAS A RECORD-SETTING
YEAR FOR REPUBLICANS, TALKING
00:09:56ABOUT HOW THIS MAY PORTEND A
GREAT THINK FOR THE FALL.
00:09:59THEY HAVE 60,001ST-TIME
REPUBLICAN VOTERS, THREE TIMES
00:10:05THE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS.
DOES THIS SAY ABOUT WHAT WE
00:10:10MIGHT EXPECTED THIS FALL?
MR. HUSTED: THEY HAVE A SHOT AT
00:10:15IT.
THEY VOTED THE REPUBLICAN
00:10:21PRIMARY.
WHETHER THEY STAYED THERE WILL
00:10:23BE DEPENDED ON THE ORGANIZATION.
THE NUMBER OF FIRST-TIME VOTERS
00:10:27VOTED REPUBLICAN.
THINGS LIKE THAT ARE A GOOD SIGN
00:10:33FOR THE REPUBLICANS IN THIS
UPCOMING ELECTION.
00:10:37BOTH CANDIDATES, THIS IS
INTERESTING, YOU LOOK AT THE
00:10:43NATIONAL POLLS, BOTH OF THE
CANDIDATES ARE VIEWED NEGATIVELY
00:10:45BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
THERE IS A LOT OF PASSION AND
00:10:50YOU COME OUT TO VOTE BECAUSE YOU
CARE.
00:10:54YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING
OR AGAINST SOMETHING.
00:10:55THOSE PASSIONS ARE GOING TO LEAD
TO HIGHER VOTER TURNOUT.
00:10:59WE HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE THINGS
DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN SAYING
00:11:04PLAY OUT IN THE MAHONEY AND
VALLEY.
00:11:09WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
IS HAPPENING.
00:11:11KAREN: 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE
PREVIOUSLY UNAFFILIATED ACTUALLY
00:11:19PULLED A PARTISAN BALLOT THIS
TIME.
00:11:20MR. HUSTED: IT IS A BIG DEAL.
YOU HAD OVER 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE
00:11:28SAY I HAVE NOT BOTHERED IN
RECENT TIMES TO VOTE DEMOCRAT OR
00:11:35REPUBLICAN, BUT I AM COMING OUT
NOW.
00:11:36KAREN: A LOT MORE PARTIES
SWITCHING THIS TIME.
00:11:40IT WAS ABOUT DOUBLE THE AMOUNT
OF PARTIES SWITCHING YOU HAD
00:11:48FROM 2012.
MR. HUSTED: IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT
00:11:52INCREASE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS
00:11:56BETWEEN, WE HAD ABOUT 4.4% PARTY
SWITCHERS.
00:12:02IN OHIO, 1% CAN MEAN A BIG
DIFFERENCE, YOU'RE NOT ONLY
00:12:09LOSING THE VOTE, THE OTHER PARTY
IS GAINING A VOTE AND THAT CAN
00:12:14HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
KAREN: I'M GOING TO ASK
00:12:17REPUBLICANS, DO YOU SUPPORT
DONALD TRUMP AS THE NOMINEE?
00:12:22MR. HUSTED: I'M NOT ALLOWED TO
BE INVOLVED IN PRESIDENTIAL
00:12:28RACES.
I DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN THOSE
00:12:32THINGS.
I DO INTEND TO VOTE FOR OUR
00:12:33NOMINEE.
I THINK A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN
00:12:40MY PARTY ARE COMING TO EMBRACE
THAT POINT OF VIEW.
00:12:44KAREN: THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE NOW.
00:12:48STATE LAWMAKERS ARE COMING UP ON
A DEADLINE ON WHETHER TO CHANGE
00:12:50THE LAW ON GREEN ENERGY AND
RENEWABLE STANDARDS FOR
00:12:52UTILITIES, OR TO LEAVE IT ALONE
AND LET THOSE STANDARDS GO BACK
00:12:56INTO EFFECT.
A LAW PASSED IN 2014 FROZE THOSE
00:13:00RENEWABLE ENERGY REQUIREMENTS
FOR POWER COMPANIES FOR A TWO
00:13:03YEAR PERIOD, EXPIRING THIS YEAR.
THERE ARE FOUR BILLS AT THE
00:13:10STATEHOUSE THAT WOULD DEAL WITH
THOSE STANDARDS, ONE FROM
00:13:14DEMOCRATIC HOUSE LEADER FRED
STRAHORN OF DAYTON, WHICH WOULD
00:13:16LIFT THE FREEZE ON THE STANDARDS
THAT BILL HAS YET TO HAVE A
00:13:17HEARING.
THE THREE OTHERS ARE REPUBLICAN
00:13:19BILLS, FROM SEN.
KRIS JORDAN OF DELAWARE, WHICH
00:13:28WOULD REPEAL THE STANDARDS
REQUIREMENT, FROM REP.
00:13:30RON AMSTUTZ OF WOOSTER, WHICH
WOULD EXTEND THE FREEZE
00:13:31INDEFINITELY AND FROM SEN.
BILL SEITZ OF CINCINNATI, WHICH
00:13:33WOULD PUSH THE FREEZE OUT
ANOTHER THREE YEARS, TO 2019,
00:13:35ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER
RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A TASK
00:13:37FORCE THAT STUDIED THE STANDARDS
AND THEIR IMPACT.
00:13:41SEN.
SEITZ TO TALK ABOUT HIS BILL AND
00:13:43THE LARGER ISSUE OF THESE GREEN
ENERGY STANDARDS, WHICH HE AND
00:13:45OTHER OPPONENTS CALL "MANDATES".
YOU HAVE COMPARED THE STANDARDS
00:13:51TO SOCIALISM AND THE WAY THEY DO
IT IN CUBA AND RUSSIA, FROM
00:13:57WHICH PEOPLE HAVE NO CHOICE HERE
IT LET ME ASK ABOUT THAT, YOU
00:14:02REALLY FEEL THAT STRONGLY THAT
THESE INCENTIVES, THESE PROGRAMS
00:14:04DESIGNED TO BUILD UP THE GREEN
ENERGY INDUSTRY ARE SOCIALISM?
00:14:09SEN. SEITZ: I HAVE NO OBJECTION
TO INCENTIVES.
00:14:13I HAVE AN OBJECTION TO MANDATES.
THESE ARE NOT STANDARDS.
00:14:20DON'T FALL INTO THAT LINGUISTIC
TRAP.
00:14:23WHEN WE ORDER UTILITIES TO SELL
22% LESS ENERGY, THEIR MAIN
00:14:27PRODUCT, AND WHEN WE ORDER THEM
TO DERIVE 12.5% OF THEIR FUEL
00:14:35MIX FROM RENEWABLE SOURCES THAT
ARE FAR MORE COSTLY THAN NATURAL
00:14:39GAS, WE ARE ISSUING MANDATES
PAID FOR BY UNSUSPECTING PAYORS
00:14:46IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE SOME
ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS.
00:14:48I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH
INCENTIVES OR RESEARCH.
00:14:52I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH
ENCOURAGING A DIVERSE FUEL
00:14:58SUPPLY.
I HAVE A PROBLEM IN HAVING
00:14:59MANDATES THAT CUSTOMERS MUST PAY
FOR FOR STUFF THEY DON'T WANT OR
00:15:04NEED.
THAT IS A MANDATE.
00:15:05KAREN: JOHN KASICH HAS SAID THE
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN THE BILL.
00:15:14THERE ARE SEVERAL BEYOND THIS
ONE THING.
00:15:15HE SAYS THOSE ARE UNACCEPTABLE.
SEN. SEITZ: HE SAID THE
00:15:19RECOMMENDATION OF THE REPORT FOR
AN INDEFINITE CONTINUATION OF
00:15:26THE FREEZE IS UNACCEPTABLE.
HE DID NOT SAY A MODEST
00:15:30EXTENSION OF THE FREEZE WAS
UNACCEPTABLE.
00:15:32THE THREE-YEAR EXTENSION I HAVE
PROPOSED IS NECESSARY BECAUSE WE
00:15:40ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER
ANOTHER SET OF MANDATES COURTESY
00:15:45OF BARACK OBAMA AND HIS EPA WILL
BE FORCED IT ON OHIO THROUGH
00:15:46SOMETHING CALLED THE CLEAN POWER
PLANT.
00:15:5013 STATES HAVE SUITED THE EPA TO
BLOCK THAT FEDERAL OVERREACH AND
00:15:57MY POINT IS THAT WOULD MAKE NO
SENSE WHATEVER FOR OHIO
00:16:01BUSINESSES TO BE FORCED UP
MANDATE STATE MOUNTAIN WHEN WE
00:16:07DON'T KNOW WHETHER DIFFERENT AND
CONTRADICTORY FEDERAL MANDATES
00:16:10ARE COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
IT WILL TAKE A MINIMUM OF THREE
00:16:14YEARS BEFORE WE KNOW THE OUTCOME
OF THE CLEAN FLOUR PLAN, WHICH
00:16:18THE OHIO HOUSE VOTED 70-26 TO
OPPOSE.
00:16:25IT WILL TAKE THREE YEARS BECAUSE
THE MATTER IS TIED UP IN COURT
00:16:31BECAUSE STATES WILL HAVE A
MINIMUM OF TWO YEARS FROM
00:16:34SEPTEMBER 2016 TO FILE A PLAN
FOR COMPLIANCE AND IT WILL TAKE
00:16:38A MINIMUM OF ONE YEAR FOR THE
EPA TO REVIEW OR DENY THE STATE
00:16:45PLAN.
THAT TAKES YOU TO THE END OF
00:16:462019.
WE ARE CONTINUING THE FREEZE,
00:16:51PROPOSING TO, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS
WE KNOW HOW FEDERAL MANDATES
00:16:53WILL OR WILL NOT SYNC UP WITH
STATE MANDATES.
00:16:56KAREN: SOME HEAVY HITTERS HAVE
COME INTO OPPOSE RENEWABLE PLANS
00:17:04TO DO THE FREEZE EVEN LONGER.
AMAZON, FOR INSTANCE, CLEVELAND,
00:17:07CINCINNATI, THEY SAID THEY WANT
THE FREEZE TO EXPIRE.
00:17:12THEY DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD.
SEN. SEITZ: UNDERCURRENT LAW,
00:17:18UNCHANGED BY THE FREEZE OR
ANYTHING IN MY BILL, UNDER --
00:17:21ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE, ARE FREE TO
BUY 100% OF THEIR ENERGY
00:17:25REQUIREMENTS FROM RENEWABLES.
THAT IS A PROVISION OF CURRENT
00:17:30LAW.
UP IN COURT
00:17:40OF TWO YEAR
FOR COAL AND IT WILL TAKE
00:17:46OF ONE YEAR FROM
TO AT
00:17:53LAW.
TAKE YOU THE ED
00:17:57FOR THE
SOCIAL ENGINEERS IN CLEVELAND
00:17:57AND AT AMAZON.
THEY WANT TO TAKE CHOICES THEY
00:17:59HAVE MADE, WHICH THEY HAVE EVERY
RIGHT TO MAKE, AND FORCE THOSE
00:18:05ON ALL 11 PEOPLE HERE AND I
THINK THAT IS WRONG AND IT IS
00:18:09SOCIALISM.
KAREN: A STUDY RELEASED LAST
00:18:15WEEK SAID THE STATE COULD SAVE
CONSUMERS $3.4 BILLION BY
00:18:18ALLOWING THE FREEZE TO EXPIRE.
IF THAT IS HALF TRUE, THAT IS A
00:18:21LOT OF MONEY.
SEN. SEITZ: I WILL TELL YOU IT
00:18:25IS NOT TRUE.
I DON'T BUY THAT.
00:18:28HERE'S WHY.
WIND AND SOLAR ARE SUBSTANTIALLY
00:18:33MORE EXPENSIVE THAN NATURAL GAS
TODAY.
00:18:35WIND AND SOLAR REQUIRE A FOSSIL
FUEL BACKUP IN ORDER TO RUN
00:18:41BECAUSE THE SUN DOES NOT SHINE
ALL THE TIME.
00:18:42THOSE KINDS OF STUDIES ALWAYS
FORGET ABOUT THE IMPACT
00:18:51INTERMITTENCY HAS ON THE
RELIABILITY OF THE GRID.
00:18:54THEY FORGET ABOUT THE
TRANSMISSION INVESTMENT NEEDED
00:18:56TO BRING THE WIND POWER FROM
FARM COUNTRY TO PLACES WHERE IT
00:18:59IS NEEDED.
THEY ALSO FORGET ABOUT THE FACT
00:19:04APPROXIMATELY ONE THIRD OF THE
PRICE OF WIND IS SUBSIDIZED BY
00:19:08FEDERAL TAXPAYERS THROUGH THE
REDUCTION TAX CREDIT WHICH GIVES
00:19:13THEM 2.3 CENTS PER KILOWATT
HOUR.
00:19:16WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE
THINGS AND MANY OTHER FACTORS
00:19:20THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN
EARTH THAT WIND AND SOLAR AND
00:19:26RENEWABLES ARE GOING TO SAVE
ANYBODY ANYTHING.
00:19:27KAREN: I WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER
REPRESENTATIVE ON THE SHOW.
00:19:33HE CALLS HIS BILL A PLACEHOLDER
AND SAID IT WOULD PRETTY MUCH
00:19:35EXTEND THE FREEZES INDEFINITELY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE
00:19:41THE OVERALL PICK OUT OF ALL OF
THESE BILLS?
00:19:43SEN. SEITZ: I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW RON HAS SAID HIS BILL IS
00:19:51INTENDED AS A CONVERSATION
STARTER AND MY RESPONSE WAS IT
00:19:53IS NOT MUCH OF ONE BECAUSE THE
GOVERNOR HAS SAID AN INDEFINITE
00:19:59CONTINUATION OF THE FREEZE IS
NOT ACCEPTABLE.
00:20:00WHEN YOU START WITH THAT, YOU
ARE NOT REALLY ADVANCING THE
00:20:06BALL TOWARD A COMPROMISE.
WHAT I HAVE OFFERED TO THE
00:20:08GOVERNOR AND I HAVE NOT HEARD
ANYTHING FOR EIGHT WEEKS, IS I
00:20:13WANT TO ALLOW GOALS THROUGH THE
END OF 2019 AND IF WE FAIL TO
00:20:22MEET THOSE GOALS THROUGH
VOLUNTARY ACTION, WE COULD
00:20:28SPRINGS WHATEVER IS LEFT TO MAKE
UP ONTO THE MANDATE.
00:20:33I HAVE MADE THAT OFFER.
MANY OTHER STATES DO NOT DO
00:20:38MANDATES.
FIRST OF ALL THERE IS 21 STATES
00:20:41THAT HAVE NO STANDARDS,
BENCHMARKS, MANDATES AT ALL.
00:20:4321 OF THE 50.
MANY OF THE REMAINING 29
00:20:49ESTABLISHED THESE AS
ASPIRATIONAL GOALS.
00:20:51THEY DO NOT HAVE MANDATES.
MICHIGAN IS ENTERTAINING
00:20:55LEGISLATION INTRODUCED THE LAST
COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT WOULD
00:20:58CHANGE THE MANDATES INTO GOALS.
I SAID IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, I
00:21:02AM FOR THAT BECAUSE IF ALL THESE
PEOPLE THINK IT IS WONDERFUL, WE
00:21:06WILL HIT THOSE GOALS THROUGH
VOLUNTARY ACTION.
00:21:08THAT IS FINE.
WE ARE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE
00:21:12ADMINISTRATION SAYS ABOUT MY
PROPOSAL.
00:21:14IN THE MEANTIME I MADE AN EFFORT
TO MEET THE GOVERNOR HALFWAY BY
00:21:18PROPOSING A CONTINUATION OF THE
FREEZE FOR THE THREE MORE YEARS
00:21:25THAT WE KNOW IT WILL TAKE BEFORE
THERE IS ANY KIND OF CLARITY OR
00:21:30CERTAINTY AROUND THE CLEAN
KLUWER PLAN FEDERAL MANDATES
00:21:33THAT ARE BEING THREATENED ON US
AND FOR WHICH SOME 29 STATES ARE
00:21:38SUING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
BECAUSE IT IS OVERREACH.
00:21:40KAREN: THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
BUT OF COURSE THERE ARE THOSE
00:21:45WHO WOULD DISAGREE WITH SEITZ
AND OTHERS WHO OPPOSE THE GREEN
00:21:46ENERGY BENCHMARKS, GUIDEPOSTS,
OR MANDATES.
00:21:48TRISH DEMETER IS WITH THE OHIO
ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL.
00:21:50SHE CALLS THEM "STANDARDS",
SAYING THAT UTILITIES ARE
00:21:55REGULATED ENTITIES THAT, IN
EXCHANGE FOR HAVING MONOPOLIES
00:21:57OVER THEIR CUSTOMER BASES
DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY LIVE,
00:22:00THEY GET SOME MINIMUM
REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT THEY
00:22:02SHOULD BE DOING IN TERMS OF
INVESTING IN RENEWABLE ENERGY.
00:22:07AND DEMETER SAYS GREEN ENERGY
POLICIES ARE PROVEN TO PROVIDE
00:22:10WHAT SHE CALLS TREMENDOUS
BENEFIT FOR CUSTOMER BILLS AND
00:22:13CLEANER AIR.
>> WE KNOW THAT CLEAN ENERGY IS
00:22:21HAPPENING AND WE HAVE A CHOICE
TO BE A LEADER IN THIS INDUSTRY
00:22:23OR TO FALL BEHIND.
EXTENDING THE FREEZE IS KICKING
00:22:26THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
IT IS NOT SOLVING THE ISSUE AT
00:22:31HAND.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A
00:22:34RESOLUTION ON THIS ISSUE.
THE CURRENT BILLS ARE UNWORKABLE
00:22:39IN THE CURRENT PHASE.
WE NEED SOME REAL LEADERSHIP IN
00:22:44THE STATE AND HAVING GOVERNOR
KASICH MODERATE THE DISCUSSION
00:22:46WOULD BE ENJOYED BY ALL PARTIES,
AT LEAST ON OUR SITE, TO ENSURE
00:22:53WE HAVE A WORKABLE RESOLUTION.
KAREN: YOU HAVE SOME COMPANIES
00:22:58LIKE AMAZON WHO HAVE SAID THE
STANDARDS AREN'T SOMETHING THEY
00:23:00SUPPORT.
-- OUR SOMETHING THEY SUPPORT.
00:23:03OTHER CITIES HAVE SUPPORTED
THEM.
00:23:06THE SENATOR WAS TELLING ME THOSE
COMPANIES AND CITIES ARE FREE TO
00:23:14BUY RENEWABLE ENERGY FROM
SOURCES THAT PROVIDE IT BUT THE
00:23:16STATE SHOULD NOT MANDATE THAT.
MS. DEMETER: IT IS TRUE BIG
00:23:21COMPANIES LIKE AMAZON, GOOGLE,
THEY HAVE AGGRESSIVE
00:23:24SUSTAINABILITY PLANS AND THEY
ARE A MARKET FORCE.
00:23:29OVER HALF OF THE NEW WIND ENERGY
PROJECTS DID NOT COME FROM
00:23:37UTILITIES.
THEY CAME FROM BIG COMPANIES.
00:23:40WE HAVE TO ENSURE UTILITIES KEEP
UP THE PACE.
00:23:41THEY ARE REGULATED ENTITIES IN
THE STATE OF OHIO.
00:23:45IT IS IMPORTANT THEY ARE
HARNESSING THE TRENDS IN THE
00:23:48MARKETPLACE.
KAREN: THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER
00:23:52OF STUDIES THAT HAVE SHOWN THESE
KINDS OF STANDARDS COST
00:23:55CUSTOMERS MONEY.
THEY SAVE THE STATE MONEY.
00:23:58ONE RECENT ONE SAID OHIO COULD
SAVE CONSUMERS $3.4 BILLION IF
00:24:07THE FREEZE WAS LIFTED.
PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THOSE
00:24:11NUMBERS.
MS. DEMETER: WELL, YOU CAN
00:24:16BELIEVE IN ANY NUMBERS AND YOU
ARE RIGHT, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT
00:24:18OF STUDIES.
RENEWABLE ENERGY HAS BECOME
00:24:21CHEAPER AND CHEAPER EVERY YEAR.
SOLAR POWER HAS DROPPED IN PRICE
00:24:27BY 48%.
THOSE ARE TRENDS THAT ARE GOING
00:24:29TO CONTINUE AND WE HAVE A CHOICE
TO HOP ON BOARD AND CONTINUE
00:24:35THAT TREND, OR TO BE TIED TO AN
ENERGY PAST.
00:24:38OUR ELECTRIC PORTFOLIO IS
RELIANT ON COAL-FIRED POWER AND
00:24:41THE RECENT CASES SHOW US THAT
KIND OF POWER IS BECOMING MORE
00:24:47AND MORE EXPENSIVE.
WE'VE GOT TO HEDGE OUR BETS AND
00:24:51DIVERSIFY THE PORTFOLIO AND WE
HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AND NOT
00:24:54JUST BE STUCK IN THE PAST.
THESE BILLS WOULD KEEP US IN THE
00:24:58PAST.
KAREN: RIGHT NOW RENEWABLE
00:25:02ENERGY IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN
NATURAL GAS.
00:25:05THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN PROJECT
INTO THE FUTURE THAT IT WILL GET
00:25:07CHEAPER.
MS. DEMETER: IF WE LOOK AT
00:25:12HISTORY, RENEWABLE ENERGY IS
BECOMING CHEAPER AND CHEAPER.
00:25:14YES, NATURAL GAS IS LESS
EXPENSIVE THAN COAL-FIRED POWER.
00:25:20WE NEED A DIFFERENT PORTFOLIO SO
WE ARE NOT OVER LEVERAGED IN ONE
00:25:25RESOURCE OR ANOTHER.
THE PURPOSE OF THE CLEAN ENERGY
00:25:28STANDARDS WAS NEVER TO MAKE
RENEWABLES DOMINATE THE
00:25:31PORTFOLIO.
IT WAS TO ENSURE THE SHARE OF
00:25:33THE PORTFOLIO GRADUALLY GREW
OVER TIME TO STAY IN LINE WITH
00:25:37THE TRENDS HAPPENING.
KAREN: A GROUP OF RELIGIOUS
00:25:42ORGANIZATIONS AND SOME
INVESTMENTS GROUPS KNOWN FOR
00:25:44SO-CALLED SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE
INVESTING ALSO JOINED INTO THE
00:25:45DEBATE RECENTLY, SENDING LETTERS
TO GOV.
00:25:47KASICH, MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND
SENATE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMITTEES
00:25:49AND THE PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION.
00:25:53THOSE LETTERS URGED THEM TO LET
THE GREEN ENERGY STANDARDS
00:25:57FREEZE EXPIRE AT THE END OF THE
YEAR.
00:26:00AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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