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>> THE GOVERNOR SEALS THE DEBATE
00:00:32OVER THE BUCKEYE LAKE DAM WITH A
PROMISE TO PAY FOR IT.
00:00:33A BIPARTISAN GROUP OF
POLITICIANS SAYS IT HAS AN
00:00:35AGENDA THAT CAN FIX GOVERNMENT
-- IF EVERYONE WILL WORK
00:00:37TOGETHER.
AND THE SECOND PART OF AN
00:00:39EDUCATIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT
SCHOOL FUNDING.
00:00:41ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
OHIO."
00:00:53KAREN: THE WORRY OVER THE
CRUMBLING DAM AT BUCKEYE LAKE IN
00:00:58CENTRAL OHIO MAY NOT BE OVER,
BUT GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH SAYS
00:01:00THE DEBATE OVER WHAT WILL BE
DONE ABOUT IT IS.
00:01:02KASICH SAID THIS WEEK THAT THE
PROCESS OF REPLACING THAT
00:01:09180-YEAR-OLD EARTHEN DAM WILL
BEGIN IMMEDIATELY AND THE WATER
00:01:11LEVEL WILL BE KEPT LOW IN THE
MEANTIME.
00:01:13THAT IS LIKELY TO UPSET LOCALS
WHO WORRY IT WILL HURT TOURISM
00:01:15AS SUMMER APPROACHES, BUT KASICH
SAYS SAFETY IS THE PRIORITY.
00:01:19THE PROJECT IS ESTIMATED TO TAKE
SEVERAL YEARS AND COST AN
00:01:22ESTIMATED $125 MILLION TO $150
MILLION, AND WILL BE PAID FOR
00:01:28THROUGH THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
THE WARMER WEATHER IS ALREADY
00:01:30BRINGING OUT THE ORANGE BARRELS,
AND THERE ARE MORE TO COME.
00:01:32THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION KICKED OFF
00:01:34CONSTRUCTION SEASON THIS WEEK.
THIS YEAR'S PROJECTS INCLUDE
00:01:38WORK ON I-270 AND THE 315/23
INTERCHANGE IN FRANKLIN COUNTY,
00:01:42THE ADDITION OF A THIRD LANE ON
I-70 IN CLARK AND MONTGOMERY
00:01:45COUNTIES AND THE WIDENING OF
I-75 IN NORTHWEST OHIO.
00:01:49THE STATE IS INVESTING $2.4
BILLION IN ONGOING
00:01:52TRANSPORTATION CONSTRUCTION.
THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 990 ROAD
00:01:56PROJECTS -- NEARLY 300 OF THEM
ON BRIDGES AND 275 PAVING
00:01:59PROJECTS.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA WAS BACK
00:02:04IN OHIO THIS WEEK -- SPEAKING TO
A SOLD-OUT CROWD AT THE CITY
00:02:06CLUB OF CLEVELAND.
OBAMA TALKED UP HIS BUDGET
00:02:09PROPOSAL WHICH TARGETS CORPORATE
PROFITS OVERSEAS, RAISE TAXES ON
00:02:12THE RICH, SPEND BILLIONS ON
ROADS AND BRIDGES, AND REVERSE
00:02:19AUTOMATIC BUDGET ON DEFENSE AND
DOMESTIC SPENDING.
00:02:21HE ALSO CHALLENGED REPUBLICAN
BUDGET PRIORITIES, SAYING THEY
00:02:22ARE BASED ON ECONOMIC THEORIES
THAT DO NOT WORK.
00:02:24AND HE ALSO FLOATED THE IDEA OF
MAKING VOTING MANDATORY.
00:02:27FANS OF THE STATE BUDGET CAN
KEEP ON WATCHING -- THE SENATE
00:02:29HAS DECIDED TO ALLOW LIVE
CAMERAS INTO THE FINANCE
00:02:33COMMITTEE HEARINGS IN THAT
CHAMBER ONCE THE BUDGET GETS
00:02:35THERE.
THE HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS
00:02:37BEEN ALLOWING BROADCAST OF ITS
BUDGET HEARINGS ON THE OHIO
00:02:40CHANNEL, THOUGH THE DISCUSSIONS
IN THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE NOT
00:02:43INCLUDED IN THOSE BROADCASTS.
AND THIS WAS THE MOST EXCITING
00:02:47PRESS CONFERENCE/RALLY OF THE
YEAR ON THE WEST STEPS OF THE
00:02:50STATEHOUSE -- BUT THAT IS
LARGELY BECAUSE IT WAS NOT REAL.
00:02:54MORE THAN A HUNDRED EXTRAS
GATHERED TO SHOOT A SCENE FROM
00:02:56THE NEW JOHN TRAVOLTA MOVIE "I
AM WRATH," WHICH APPARENTLY
00:02:59INCLUDES THE GOVERNOR OF OHIO AS
A CHARACTER APPARENTLY NAMED
00:03:03"JOHN MESERVE," IF YOU READ THE
SIGNS BEING HELD BY THE EXTRAS.
00:03:07THE MOVIE WILL ALSO INCLUDE
SCENES SHOT INSIDE THE
00:03:09STATEHOUSE AND THROUGHOUT
COLUMBUS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF
00:03:12NEXT MONTH.
THINK BACK TO FIVE YEARS AGO.
00:03:14THE YEAR BEGAN WITH THE SIGNING
OF THE HOTLY DEBATED AFFORDABLE
00:03:18CARE ACT, WHICH CRITICS CALL
OBAMACARE, AND THE CONTROVERSIAL
00:03:22US SUPREME COURT RULING IN
CITIZENS UNITED V.
00:03:25THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS
COMMISSION, WHICH SAID THAT
00:03:28POLITICAL SPENDING LIMITS ON
CORPORATIONS, UNIONS, AND OTHER
00:03:31GROUPS WERE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
AS THE YEAR WENT ON, AMERICANS
00:03:34STRUGGLED IN A CHAOTIC ECONOMY,
LISTENED TO FIERY DEBATES OVER
00:03:39IMMIGRATION AND THE WARS IN
AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ, SAW SOME
00:03:41TEA PARTY CANDIDATES RISE AND
SOME IMPLODE, AND THEN VOTED
00:03:45OVERWHELMINGLY FOR REPUBLICANS
IN THE MID-TERM ELECTIONS, JUST
00:03:48TWO YEARS AFTER DEMOCRATS HAD
WON THE WHITE HOUSE AS THE GOP
00:03:50LEFT IT.
IT WAS AGAINST THIS BACKGROUND
00:03:54OF FRUSTRATION AND ANGER
EXPRESSED BY VOTERS THAT A GROUP
00:03:57OF NATIONALLY KNOWN,
POLITICALLY-CONNECTED ACTIVISTS
00:04:00AND CURRENT AND FORMER
POLITICIANS CAME TOGETHER WITH
00:04:02THE IDEA OF FIXING GOVERNMENT.
THE GROUP IS CALLED NO LABELS,
00:04:06AND IT SEEKS TO BRING IN
REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS AND
00:04:09INDEPENDENTS WITH THE GOAL OF
MOVING BEYOND THOSE PARTY
00:04:12LABELS, AND ENACT CHANGES AND
REFORMS ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL,
00:04:17INCLUDING COORDINATED SCHEDULES
FOR CONGRESS, BIPARTISAN SEATING
00:04:20AT JOINT SESSIONS OF CONGRESS,
NO PAY IF LAWMAKERS CAN'T PASS A
00:04:22BUDGET AND OTHER IDEAS.
ONE OF ITS FOUNDERS WAS IN OHIO
00:04:28THIS WEEK TO MEET WITH STATE
LAWMAKERS ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE
00:04:31AT THE STATE LEVEL.
HE IS DAVID WALKER, THE FORMER
00:04:33US COMPTROLLER GENERAL, WHO RAN
AS A REPUBLICAN FOR LIEUTENANT
00:04:36GOVERNOR
OF CONNECTICUT LAST YEAR.
00:04:41HE'S HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
THIS GROUP HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
00:04:462010 FROM A MISSION OF HELPING
WITH AMERICA FROM THE OLD
00:04:51POLITICS OF POINT SCORING TOWARD
A NEW POLITICS OF PROBLEM
00:04:54SOLVING.
YOU HAVE A FOUR-POINT NATIONAL
00:04:56STRATEGIC AGENDA, 20 MILLION
JOBS CREATED, MAKE AMERICA
00:05:02ENERGY SECURE, SECURE MEDICARE
AND SOCIAL SECURITY AND BALANCE
00:05:08THE FEDERAL BUDGET BY 2030.
ARE YOU BACKING A BALANCED
00:05:13AMENDMENT WHICH WE HAVE HEARD
THE GOVERNOR TALK ABOUT A LOT?
00:05:14DAVID WALKER: I SUPPORT A
BALANCED AMENDMENT THAT IS
00:05:22FOCUSED ON FISCAL
RESPONSIBILITY.
00:05:23WE HAVE TO GET THE DEAD AS A
PERCENTAGE OF THE ECONOMY UNDER
00:05:27CONTROL AND THAT IS WHAT WE
OUGHT TO BE FOCUSED ON.
00:05:28WE ARE AS PART OF OUR NATIONAL
AGENDA TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE TO
00:05:37RESTORE FISCAL SANITY IN THIS
COUNTRY.
00:05:38WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE DO NOT SPEND MORE MONEY
00:05:40THAN WE BRING IN.
CHARGE IT TO THE CREDIT CARD,
00:05:44AND NOT EXPECT THAT WE WILL NOT
HAVE A DAY OF RECKONING AT SOME
00:05:47POINT IN THE FUTURE.
WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO MORTGAGE
00:05:49THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN AND
GRANDCHILDREN AT RECORD RATES
00:05:54AND DISCHARGE OUR STEWARD
RESPONSIBILITY.
00:05:56KAREN: SOME MIGHT SAY THAT -- ON
YOUR WEBSITE YOU'RE DEALING WITH
00:06:06PROFESSIONAL PARTISANS HERE AND
THE FOUR BIG GOALS.
00:06:10HOW DO THESE THINGS WORK
TOGETHER, HOW DO YOU
00:06:12REALISTICALLY EXPECT
PROFESSIONAL PARTISANS TO COME
00:06:17TO AGREEMENT?
DAVID WALKER: WE SUPPORT
00:06:26RESULTS OF HER RHETORIC.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TRUTH,
00:06:28LEADERSHIP, AND SOLUTIONS.
THEY KNOW WE ARE IN TROUBLE,
00:06:32THEY CAN HANDLE TOUGH CHOICES OF
THEY ARE PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE
00:06:35PLAN THAT THEY DEEM TO BE FAIR
AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING
00:06:38TO GIVE THEM.
KAREN: YOU TALK ABOUT PROBLEM
00:06:45SOLVERS AND PRAISE THEM AS BEING
PART OF THE SOLUTION BUT IT IS
00:06:48EASIER TO BE PARTISAN AND THE
CONTROVERSIAL THAN IT IS TO BE A
00:06:53PROBLEM SOLVER.
HAD YOU MAKE THAT WORK AND THAT
00:06:54IS WHAT IS HAPPENING?
DAVID WALKER: 90% OF THE
00:07:00CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS HAVE
BEEN GERRYMANDERED SO THEY DO
00:07:05NOT HAVE ANY COMPETITION OTHER
THAN IN THE PRIMARY.
00:07:08THAT MEANS REPUBLICANS ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING PAST ON
00:07:10THE RIGHT.
DEMOCRATS ARE CONCERNED WITH
00:07:14BEING PASSED ON THE LEFT.
WE HAVE CLOSED PARTY PRIMARIES
00:07:17IN MANY STATES SO 42% OF THE
VOTERS WHO ARE UNAFFILIATED DO
00:07:21NOT GET A VOICE AND MAY NOT LIKE
THE CHOICES THEY GET IN THE
00:07:25GENERAL ELECTION.
WE WILL NEED POLITICAL REFORMS.
00:07:26WE NEED REDISTRICTING REFORMS,
WE NEED A NUMBER OF THINGS
00:07:32CHANGE LIKE THAT BUT THAT IS A
STATEMENT ISSUE.
00:07:34SOME STATES HAVE DONE IT.
HOPEFULLY OHIO WILL MAKE SOME
00:07:38PROGRESS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ITS
FUTURE.
00:07:39KAREN: WHY ISN'T IT --
REDISTRICTING REFORM IMPORTANT?
00:07:53DAVID WALKER: THERE ARE A NUMBER
OF SUPPORTERS THAT FEEL VERY
00:07:58STRONGLY ABOUT THAT AND IT MAY
BE VERY POSSIBLE THAT WE GO
00:07:59THERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN
THE FUTURE.
00:08:04RIGHT NOW WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS
WE HAVEN'T PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
00:08:06COMING UP.
THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF
00:08:10EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE
COUNTRY.
00:08:11IF THE PRESIDENT BUYS INTO THESE
GOALS AND IF WE HEAR -- HAVE A
00:08:16CRITICAL MASS OF SUPPORTERS AND
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
00:08:22AMERICANS OR MILLIONS THAT WILL
SUPPORT THAT, WE CAN ACTUALLY
00:08:24MAKE SOME REAL PROGRESS IN THIS
COUNTRY.
00:08:25WE THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
FOCUS ON THAT BECAUSE THE
00:08:30UPCOMING 2016 PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION, I DO BELIEVE IN MANY
00:08:33OF OUR -- AND MANY OF OUR
SUPPORTERS BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE
00:08:36TO LOOK AT POLITICAL REFORMS
DOWN THE ROAD.
00:08:38KAREN: THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY
IN POLITICS BUT HOW DO YOU GET
00:08:44THE MONEY CONSTRAINED AND DEALT
WITH?
00:08:48DAVID WALKER: THE SUPREME COURT
DECISION DID NOT RESTRICT THE
00:08:55ABILITY OF CONGRESS OR THE
PRESIDENT TO PROVIDE FOR FULL
00:08:58AND TIMELY DISCLOSURE OF ALL
CAPS ADDITIONS TO SUPER PACKS.
00:09:02THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SUPREME
COURT DECISION THAT ELIMINATED
00:09:04THAT BUT IT HAD NOT DONE YET,
HAD IT?
00:09:06KAREN: NOPE.
DAVID WALKER: IT MEANS A
00:09:15CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
AND BY THE WAY, THERE ARE --
00:09:18THERE IS AN EFFORT TO CALL FOR A
STATEMENT CONSTITUTIONAL
00:09:20CONVENTION UNDER ARTICLE FIVE IN
THE CONSTITUTION, 206010 PAST HE
00:09:27BALANCED-BUDGET AMENDMENT
INCLUDING OHIO.
00:09:28WE ONLY NEED EIGHT MORE TO DO
IT.
00:09:32THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING
00:09:34HAPPEN ON THE ELECTION REFORM
SIDE, TOO, AND WE WILL SEE WHAT
00:09:39HAPPENS.
KAREN: THE CITIZENS UNITED CASE
00:09:45IN THE SUPREME COURT CASE DOES
NOT PRECLUDE REQUIRING A LOT
00:09:47MORE DISCLOSURE AND SPENT -- AND
TRANSPARENCY.
00:09:52SOME SAY THE NO LABELS GROUP
COULD BE MORE TRANSPARENCY ABOUT
00:09:56WHERE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR
FUNDING.
00:09:57YOU'RE NOT WORKING FOR FREE.
DAVID WALKER: THAT IS A FAIR
00:10:01QUESTION.
WE GET FUNDING FROM INDIVIDUALS
00:10:04AND ORGANIZATIONS.
WE HAVE A 501(C)(3) WHICH IS
00:10:05EDUCATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, FULLY
TAX-DEDUCTIBLE, FULLY
00:10:12TRANSPARENT.
WE HAVE A SMALLER 501(C) FOUR
00:10:14THAT ALLOWS US TO BE INVOLVED IN
MORE ACTIVIST KINDS OF THINGS
00:10:18AND THAT IS NOT REQUIRED THAT
THE PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE TO 501(C)
00:10:21FOUR THAT THEIR NAMES BE
DISCLOSED AREA AND LET ME TELL
00:10:25YOU THE SAD BUT SIMPLE TRUTH
TODAY.
00:10:26THE PARTISANSHIP HAS GOTTEN SO
BAD THAT EVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:10:30PROUD TO BE DEMOCRATS, PROUD TO
BE REPUBLICANS, WHO ARE NOT
00:10:35SATISFIED WITH THE STATUS QUO
WANT TO SUPPORT NO LABELS BUT
00:10:38THEY DO NOT NECESSARILY WANT
THEIR NAME TO BE PUBLIC BECAUSE
00:10:41THEY ARE AFRAID IT WILL CAUSE A
PROBLEM WITH THE PARTY.
00:10:45THAT IS A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS.
GEORGE WASHINGTON IN MANY OF OUR
00:10:48FOUNDERS SAID IT IS IMPORTANT
THAT WE REMEMBER OUR DUTY TO
00:10:50COUNTRY MUST TRUMP OUR DUTY OF
LOYALTY TO PARTY AND THAT IS
00:10:56WHAT WE ARE ABOUT.
KAREN: TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE
00:11:01CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION AND TH
GOVERNOR TALKINGE ABOUT THE NEED
00:11:06FOR CONVENTION, HE TALKED ABOUT
GOVERNOR KASICH.
00:11:11HAVE YOU BEEN TALKING ABOUT YOUR
NATIONAL STRATEGIC AGENDA?
00:11:14DAVID WALKER: I HOPE TO HAVE
THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPAIN TO THE
00:11:21GOVERNOR FACE-TO-FACE.
I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF HIS
00:11:22CLOSE ADVISERS.
KAREN: SOME PEOPLE WORRIED THAT
00:11:25THE CONSTITUTION CONVENTION
COULD GET OUT OF CONTROL.
00:11:30YOU COULD TALK ABOUT ISSUES THAT
CAN BE VERY POLARIZING TO THE
00:11:34POINT WHERE YOU WOULD LOSE THE
FOCUS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT
00:11:36IN OHIO WITH OUR STATE
CONSTITUTION.
00:11:39HOW DO YOU HAVE A CONVENTION AND
STAY FOCUSED AND GET AMENDMENTS
00:11:44THAT ARE NONPARTISAN?
DAVID WALKER: SEVERAL THINGS.
00:11:47THE STATE CAN PASS A RESOLUTION
THAT MAKES IT CLEAR AS TO WHAT
00:11:52THE SUBJECT OR SUBJECT MATTERS
ARE.
00:11:53THAT THEY WANT TO ADDRESS BY THE
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.
00:11:59THEY CAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO
REMOVE SOMEBODY WHO GOES BEYOND
00:12:03THAT.
THIRDLY, YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN
00:12:04MIND THAT YOU HAVE TO GET THREE
QUARTERS OF THE STATE TO RATIFY
00:12:06WHATEVER THIS CONVENTION COMES
UP WITH.
00:12:08THAT IS 38 STATES AND THEN YOU
LOOK AT THE CONTROL OF THE STATE
00:12:14LEGISLATURES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
HOW MANY ARE CONTROLLED BY
00:12:19REPUBLICANS AND HOW MANY BY
DEMOCRATS AND HOW MANY ARE
00:12:20MIXED.
THERE IS NO WAY YOU WILL GET
00:12:22WACKO AMENDMENTS COMING OUT OF
THIS THING THAT HAVE ANY PRAYER
00:12:28TO GET DONE.
BUT THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE
00:12:29THAT BELIEVE WE NEED A FISCAL
RESPONSIBILITY AMENDMENT, A
00:12:34BALANCED BUDGET IS WHAT MOST
PEOPLE CALL IT.
00:12:37OTHERS BELIEVE WE NEED OTHER
AMENDMENTS INCLUDING THINGS
00:12:40DEALING WITH ELECTION REFORM OR
STATES RIGHTS.
00:12:41WHAT HAPPENED TO STATES RIGHTS?
KAREN: I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
00:12:50BUDGET REFORM.
FORBES CALLED IT MISGUIDED.
00:12:53SALON WROTE ABOUT YOUR OTHER
EFFORT AND SAID, "THERE IS NO
00:13:00WAY TO DEPOLITICIZE ISSUES," HOW
DO YOU BRING IN REPUBLICANS WHO
00:13:09WANT TO BRING IN ONE THING ABOUT
BUDGETS AND THE DEMOCRATS WHO
00:13:14WANT TO TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS?
DAVID WALKER: WHEN YOU'RE
00:13:20SITTING AROUND YOUR KITCHEN
TABLE, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT
00:13:22MEANS TO BALANCE YOUR BUDGET.
IN REALITY, WHAT WE NEED IS A
00:13:28FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AMENDMENT.
THE WAY TO -- THE GOVERNMENT
00:13:31KEEPS GOING ON THE BALANCED
BUDGET IS A BAD JOKE.
00:13:36WE NEED FISCAL DISCIPLINE THAT
WOULD FOCUS ON HOW DO WE GET
00:13:39DEAD AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE
ECONOMY DOWN TO A REASONABLE,
00:13:42SUSTAINABLE LEVEL.
SO WHEN YOU START SEEING DETAILS
00:13:46FROM THE GOAL OF BALANCING THE
BUDGET BY NO LATER THAN 2030,
00:13:49YOU WILL SEE MORE DETAILS THAT
FOCUS ON THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES.
00:13:54IT IS NOT MUCH BALANCING THE
OPERATING BUDGET BUT WE NEED TO
00:13:59MAKE MORE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS.
IT IS GETTING DEBT AS A
00:14:01PERCENTAGE OF THE ECONOMY.
PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT AND LEFT CAN
00:14:06AGREE ON THAT AND THAT IS WHERE
WE BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
00:14:08KAREN: YOU DO NOT WANT TO DRIVE
THAT DOWN TO THE STATE AND LOCAL
00:14:13LEVEL WHETHER IT IS MORE OF THE
DEBT TAKEN DOWN HERE.
00:14:16DAVID WALKER: LET ME ASSURE YOU
THAT BAD NEWS FLOWS DOWNHILL.
00:14:23ALL THE MORE REASON THAT THIS IS
NOT JUST A FEDERAL ISSUE.
00:14:25THERE ARE A LOT OF STATES THAT
HAVE SERIOUS FINANCIAL PROBLEMS.
00:14:28I LIVE IN CONNECTICUT.
I WOULD ARGUE IT IS IN THE WORST
00:14:33FINANCIAL CONDITION.
NEW JERSEY IS 48.
00:14:36YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK
AND A LOT OF THE PROBLEM HAS TO
00:14:40DO WITH UNDERFUNDED PENSIONS,
UNFUNDED RETIREE HEALTH
00:14:43OBLIGATIONS, THE OUTDATED TAX
SYSTEMS, WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME
00:14:47BOAT.
WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE REALITY AND
00:14:49START MAKING CHOICES SO WE CAN
CREATE A BETTER FUTURE SO WE CAN
00:14:57DISCHARGE OUR STEWARDSHIP
RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR CHILDREN
00:14:59AND GET -- GRANDCHILDREN.
KAREN: A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK
00:15:03ABOUT THAT.
THE MESSES KIND OF GETS LOST
00:15:10THERE SOMETIMES.
DAVID WALKER: IT IS THE OLD
00:15:11TRUST BUT VERIFY.
EVERYONE WANTS TO BE A PROBLEM
00:15:16SOLVER BUT ULTIMATELY, IT IS
ACTIONS THAT SPEAK LOUDER THAN
00:15:19WORDS.
COMING BACK TO WHAT WE SAID
00:15:21BEFORE.
THE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REFORMED.
00:15:24WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN
THE SYSTEM THAT IS BROKEN.
00:15:25WE NEED DISTRICT REFORM.
WE NEED PRIMARY REFORM.
00:15:30WE NEED TIME -- CAMPAIGN FINANCE
REFORM AND WE NEED REASONABLE
00:15:37TERM LIMITS.
LONG ENOUGH THAT YOU GET
00:15:39INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND
EXPERIENCE OF PEOPLE HAVING BEEN
00:15:45THERE FOR A WHILE BUT WHERE THEY
CANNOT END UP GETTING -- MAKING
00:15:50A CAREER OUT OF IT AND BEING
ROLLED OUT ON A GURNEY.
00:15:52KAREN: DAVID, THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE.
00:15:58NO LABELS WILL UNVEIL DETAILS
OF ITS NATIONAL STRATEGIC AGENDA
00:16:04IN NEW HAMPSHIRE IN OCTOBER --
WHICH WILL BE IN THE HEAT OF THE
00:16:06PREPARATIONS FOR THE FIRST
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY IN THE
00:16:08NATION IN FEBRUARY.
YOU CAN CHECK OUT THE NO LABELS
00:16:10WEBSITE TO SEE IF THE MEMBER OF
CONGRESS OR SENATOR WHO
00:16:12REPRESENTS YOU IS CONSIDERED A
"PROBLEM SOLVER" OR NOT.
00:16:13THE STATE BUDGET IS STILL BEING
DISCUSSED IN THE HOUSE, AND TIME
00:16:16IS GROWING SHORT -- THE GOAL WAS
TO PASS IT OVER TO THE SENATE BY
00:16:18THE MIDDLE OF APRIL, TO GIVE
THAT CHAMBER TIME TO DEBATE IT
00:16:23SO IT COULD BE SIGNED AND IN
PLACE BY JULY 1.
00:16:26THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
TESTIMONY ABOUT THE SCHOOL
00:16:27FUNDING FORMULA, WHICH GOV. JOHN
KASICH SAYS WILL REQUIRE
00:16:29DISTRICTS THAT HAVE HIGHER
PROPERTY TAX WEALTH AND HIGHER
00:16:33INCOMES TO SHOULDER MORE OF
THEIR SCHOOLS' TAX BURDEN, SO
00:16:35THAT THE STATE HAS MORE TO GIVE
TO POORER DISTRICTS THAT NEED
00:16:37MORE FUNDING.
IT IS WIDELY SUSPECTED THAT THE
00:16:42HOUSE WILL MAKE CHANGES IN
SCHOOL FUNDING, BECAUSE HALF OF
00:16:45THE STATE'S MORE THAN 600 SCHOOL
DISTRICTS ARE GETTING FUNDING
00:16:49CUTS.
BUT AS LIMA REPUBLICAN REP.
00:16:52ROBERT CUPP, THE CHAIR OF THE
SUBCOMMITTEE HEARING THE SCHOOL
00:16:56FUNDING DEBATE, SAID -- EVERY
FORMULA OR CHANGE -- IN HIS
00:16:58WORDS -- "HAS ITS OWN FLAWS."
WHILE THE FUTURE OF THAT FUNDING
00:17:01STRUCTURE IN THE BUDGET IS
UNCLEAR, WHAT IS CERTAIN IS THAT
00:17:03SCHOOL FUNDING REMAINS AN
INCREDIBLY COMPLEX ISSUE.
00:17:07SOME WONDER WHY THERE IS NOT A
SIMPLE CALCULATION OF HOW MUCH
00:17:09IT COSTS TO EDUCATE A CHILD IN
OHIO.
00:17:12SOME ARE DISTURBED BY THE
REPEATED CHANGES IN THE FUNDING
00:17:14FORMULA WITH ALMOST EVERY NEW
GOVERNOR.
00:17:17SOME WANT TO KNOW WHY CHARTER
SCHOOLS ARE IN THE FORMULA.
00:17:19SOME SAY THERE IS A CONNECTION
BETWEEN POVERTY AND STUDENT
00:17:22ACHIEVEMENT.
SOME QUESTION THE RELIANCE ON
00:17:24PROPERTY TAXES, GIVEN THE
VOLATILITY OF PROPERTY VALUES IN
00:17:26THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND SOME LOOK BACK 25 YEARS AGO,
00:17:31WHEN BUSINESSES WERE THE PRIMARY
SOURCE OF PROPERTY TAXES, NOT
00:17:35HOMEOWNERS, AND SAY THE STATE
SHOULD MOVE BACK IN THAT
00:17:38DIRECTION.
LAST WEEK, I SAT DOWN WITH TWO
00:17:41EXPERTS TO START A CONVERSATION
ON THE TOPIC.
00:17:44DR. HOWARD FLEETER IS AN
ECONOMIST AND A LONGTIME
00:17:47RESEARCHER ON SCHOOL FUNDING,
AND IS NOW A CONSULTANT WITH THE
00:17:50EDUCATION TAX POLICY INSTITUTE.
STEPHEN DYER IS A FORMER
00:17:51REPORTER AND STATE
REPRESENTATIVE WHO IS NOW THE
00:17:56EDUCATION POLICY FELLOW AT THE
PROGRESSIVE LEANING THINK TANK
00:17:59INNOVATION OHIO.
HERE IS THE REST OF OUR
00:18:00DISCUSSION.
THE IDEA THAT THERE IS NOT
00:18:08ENOUGH MONEY IN LOCAL PROPERTY
TAXES TO PROPERLY FUND SCHOOLS,
00:18:10IS THERE A THOUGHT THAT IT --
BUSINESS WOULD COME BACK AND BE
00:18:18MORE HALF-AND-HALF OR ARE WE
GOING TO SEE MORE OF THIS
00:18:19RELIANCE ON HOMEOWNERS AND
FARMING COMMUNITIES AND THAT
00:18:24SORT OF THING?
GUEST: THERE WERE GOOD TAX
00:18:29POLICY REASONS FOR ELIMINATING
THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, THAT
00:18:34IT WAS VIEWED AS COMPETITIVE.
OUR ECONOMY IS COMPETITIVE AND
00:18:40IT WAS KIND OF AN OLD ECONOMY
TAX.
00:18:44WHAT WAS DONE IN 2005 WHEN HE
WAS ELIMINATED IS THERE WAS A
00:18:47FIVE-YEAR HARMLESS PERIOD FO
LEGISLATURE TOR COME UP WITH
00:18:57ATHE.
THE BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT WAS
00:19:01THAT WE HAD THE LARGEST ECONOMIC
DOWN TURN IN ANY OF OUR
00:19:06LIFETIMES HALFWAY THROUGH THAT
TIME.
00:19:09THE THREAD WAS LOST ABOUT DOING
SOMETHING TO REPLACE THAT MONEY
00:19:16LONG-TERM.
THE FEELING WAS FORCED DOES FOR
00:19:22SCHOOLS, YOUR PROPERTY TAX BASE
GOES DOWN AND DO LOOK FORWARD TO
00:19:25THE FORMULA, THE FORMULA SHOULD
MAKE UP SOME OF THE MONEY AND
00:19:27THE FEELING WAS THERE SHOULD BE
HALF OF THAT REVENUE WOULD BE
00:19:32REPLACED AUTOMATICALLY.
THAT ALSO DID NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE
00:19:34WE HAD A CHANGE TO THE
EVIDENCE-BASED MODEL IN 2010
00:19:40THAT STEVE TALKS ABOUT AND AFTER
GOVERNOR KASICH WAS ELECTED THE
00:19:43EVIDENCE-BASED MODEL WAS THROWN
OUT.
00:19:47THE BRIDGE FORMULA WAS NOT THE
REAL FORMULA.
00:19:52IT WAS A BRIDGE TO GET TO THE
FORMULA WE HAVE NOW.
00:19:55IT IS VERY COMPLICATED.
WHAT WE HAD WAS FOUR YEARS WHERE
00:19:57WE WORKED ON THE FORMULA BECAUSE
OF THE RECESSION OR BECAUSE THE
00:20:02CHANGE IN THE GOVERNORSHIP.
SO WE ARE NOT REALLY REPLACING
00:20:08THAT PERSONAL TAX REVENUE EXCEPT
FOR THE REPLACEMENT PAYMENTS
00:20:11THAT MAKE THEM FACE DOWN ONCE
AND THEN THE PROPOSAL IS PHASED
00:20:16DOWN AGAIN.
KAREN: WHY HAVEN'T WE BEEN ABLE
00:20:21TO FIND A FORMULA AND STICK WITH
THAT?
00:20:24IS IT BECAUSE IT IS TOO
POLITICAL?
00:20:25PEOPLE HAVE ADVOCATED ON THIS
PROGRAM THAT YOU STICK WITH ONE
00:20:34FORMULA FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS AND
SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT.
00:20:36GUEST: WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE
PROCESS THAT GETS US THERE.
00:20:44THE PROCESS, RIGOROUSLY
EXAMINING WHAT KIDS NEED IN
00:20:53ORDER TO SUCCEED IN THE 21ST
CENTURY LEARNING ENVIRONMENT AND
00:20:57THEN COMMITTING TO FUNDING IT
OVER THE LONG TERM DEPENDING ON
00:21:00ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, I THINK IS
THE SAFEST, MOST RATIONAL WAY TO
00:21:05GO.
SO I THINK A RATIONAL APPROACH
00:21:07TO HOW IT HAPPENS, TO HOW WE
DETERMINE WHAT KIDS NEED I THINK
00:21:13IS FINE.
WHAT THAT PHARRELL IS CALLED AND
00:21:15WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, -- FORMULA
IS CALLED AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE
00:21:20IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THE
ACTUAL PROCESS IS THAT BRINGS IN
00:21:24ABOUT.
GUEST: IT HAS TO BE
00:21:30UNDERSTANDABLE AND TRANSPARENT
AS POSSIBLE.
00:21:32I LEARNED COMING OUT OF GRADUATE
SCHOOL 25 YEARS AGO ARMED WITH A
00:21:34LOT OF HIGH TECH STATISTICAL
SCHOOL -- TOOLS THAT IF THE
00:21:40FORMULA APPEARS TO BE A BLACK
BOX IT WILL NOT BE UNDERSTOOD OR
00:21:42EXCEPTED.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT THE
00:21:44GOVERNOR'S IDEA OF BASING IT ON
FISCAL CAPACITY, I AGREE WITH
00:21:50THE IDEA OF THE SCHOOL CAPACITY
AND WHAT THE GOVERNOR HAS DONE
00:21:53IS BROUGHT IN AN INCOME FACTOR
IN IN A WAY THAT HAS NOT BEEN
00:21:58DONE BEFORE.
RIGHT NOW THE INCOME ADJUSTMENT
00:22:00IS HELPING A LOT MORE HIGH
INCOME PLACES AND LOW INCOME
00:22:03PLACES THAN THAT NEEDS TO BE
CORRECTED.
00:22:06THE WAY THEY HAVE CORRECTED IT
WAS NOT VERY WELL UNDERSTOOD AND
00:22:13WHEN IT IS NOT UNDERSTOOD, THEN
PEOPLE, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE
00:22:16ACCEPTED.
KAREN: I WANT TO ASK ONE MORE
00:22:20THING HERE.
AND ALL THE STUDIES YOU HAVE
00:22:24DONE FROM THE SHIFT FROM
BUSINESSES PAYING MOST OF IT TO
00:22:29HOMEOWNERS PAYING MOST OF IT,
THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL LEVIES HAS
00:22:31NOT RISEN DRAMATICALLY IN THE
LAST FEW YEARS AND DATA FROM
00:22:362007 THROUGH LAST YEAR, 429
THAT YEAR, THE LOW WAS LAST
00:22:47YEAR, 317 WERE REQUESTED, 65.6%
PAST.
00:22:49HOW IS THAT WORKING WHEN WE ARE
MORE HEAVILY RELIANT ON LOCAL
00:22:55HOMEOWNERS BUT YET THERE ARE NOT
AS MANY LEVIES?
00:22:56GUEST: THE TYPE OF -- WE HAVE A
LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCHOOL
00:23:03LEVIES.
WHEN YOU COUNT THEM UP FOR THE
00:23:08DIFFERENT PURPOSES, THERE ARE
MORE THAN 15 DIFFERENT SCHOOL
00:23:11LEVIES.
THEY ARE EITHER PROPERTY TAX
00:23:12LEVIES, SOME DISTRICTS HAVE
SCHOOL DISTRICT INCOME TAX, THEY
00:23:18CAN BE RE-
THESE AND THERE IS SOMETHING
00:23:20CALLED A REPLACEMENT LEVY.
WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IS THE
00:23:23PASSAGE RATES DO NOT MEAN
ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
00:23:28LOOK AT THE MIX OF LEVIES ON THE
BALLOT.
00:23:30THESE PASS -- NEW LEVIES PASS
AT 40%.
00:23:38WHEN THE PASSAGE RATES ARE HIGH
THERE IS ALWAYS A HIGH
00:23:44PROPORTION OF RENEWAL LEVIES AND
A LOT OF THE LEVIES WE HAVE SEEN
00:23:46OUR RENEWALS RATHER THAN NEW
LEVIES.
00:23:47NOT NEW TAXES.
IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PUZZLE
00:23:55WAS THERE HAVE NOT BEEN MORE
LEVIES BUT I NEED TO POINT OUT
00:23:57THAT WE HAVE MORE SCHOOL LEVIES
IN THIS STATE THAN ANY OTHER
00:24:02STATE BY A LONG SHOT.
THAT IS THE THING THAT MAKES OUR
00:24:03STATE MOST DIFFERENT IN SCHOOL
FUNDING.
00:24:06SOME STATES DO NOT HAVE ANY
LEVIES WHATSOEVER.
00:24:09WE GO TO THE BALLOT A LOT MORE
OFTEN.
00:24:11THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO
THE BALLOT FIGHT AS OFTEN AS WE
00:24:15ARE IN 2007 OUR 2008 IS A LITTLE
BIT IRRELEVANT, FOR US IT IS
00:24:24GOING TO THE BALLOT MORE THAN
OTHER STATES.
00:24:27KAREN: THE GOVERNOR IS TRYING TO
SAY THERE ARE MORE LEVIES.
00:24:34WHAT DO THE NUMBERS TELL YOU?
STEPHEN: THERE WERE NEW LEVIES
00:24:42FOR NEW OPERATION COSTS.
WE LOOKED AT NEW ONES FUNDING
00:24:48JUST OPERATIONS BECAUSE WE
FIGURED IF YOU ARE LOSING
00:24:51OPERATIONAL MONEY, YOU WILL GO
FOR THE LOCAL.
00:24:54WE HAD SEEN AN INCREASE IN THAT.
OVERALL, THE AMOUNT IS ABOUT THE
00:24:59SAME AS IT WAS UNDER THE FOUR
YEARS UNDER STRICKLAND.
00:25:02THE MORE -- AMOUNT OF MONEY AS
MORE AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY
00:25:08PAST IS MORE.
KAREN: YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST
00:25:17PART OF MY CONVERSATION WITH
HOWARD FLEETER AND STEPHEN DYER
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