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>> SUMMER HAS STARTED AT THE |
| 00:00:41 | STATEHOUSE, AS LAWMAKERS LEAVE
LEGISLATIVE WORK TO HEAD HOME TO |
| 00:00:43 | CAMPAIGN AND RAISE MONEY.
MONEY IS A BIG CONCERN AT THE |
| 00:00:45 | OHIO DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION. |
| 00:00:46 | BUT TWO LONGTIME ODOT WATCHERS
WONDER WHETHER THERE'S A LIGHT |
| 00:00:50 | AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL FOR THE
FINANCIALLY TROUBLED TRANSIT |
| 00:00:52 | AGENCY.
AND AS TEA PARTY MEMBERS WORK |
| 00:00:54 | ON GATHERING SIGNATURES FOR
THEIR NEXT CONSTITUTIONAL |
| 00:00:56 | AMENDMENT, WE REVISIT THE DEBATE
OVER WHETHER OHIO SHOULD BECOME |
| 00:00:59 | A "RIGHT TO WORK" STATE, OR IT
SHOULD REMAIN A "FAIR SHARE" |
| 00:01:04 | ONE.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF |
| 00:01:06 | OHIO."
THINGS ARE SLOWING DOWN A BIT AT |
| 00:01:12 | THE STATEHOUSE, AFTER A FLURRY
OF ACTIVITY BEFORE SUMMER BREAK. |
| 00:01:15 | AND LAWMAKERS ARE NOT EXPECTED
TO RETURN TO CAPITOL SQUARE TILL |
| 00:01:17 | AFTER THE FALL ELECTION, AND
SINCE THE ENTIRE OHIO HOUSE AND |
| 00:01:19 | HALF OF THE OHIO SENATE ARE ON
THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, THERE'S |
| 00:01:21 | A LOT OF CAMPAIGNING AND
FUNDRAISING TO DO. |
| 00:01:23 | BUT THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF
ISSUES TO TALK ABOUT. |
| 00:01:34 | ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN AROUND FOR
A WHILE, BUT HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF |
| 00:01:36 | ATTENTION IN THE LAST FEW
MONTHS. |
| 00:01:38 | THE STATE'S TRANSPORTATION
AGENCY IS FACING A LONG ROAD OF |
| 00:01:41 | TROUBLE -- A GROWING NEED TO
BUILD AND REPAIR INFRASTRUCTURE |
| 00:01:44 | WITH A DECLINING REVENUE SOURCE
IN THE GAS TAX. |
| 00:01:47 | AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF VOICES
NOW SAYING THAT THE OHIO |
| 00:01:51 | DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS
OUT OF EASY SOLUTIONS, AND THE |
| 00:01:54 | ONLY ONES LEFT ARE UNPLEASANT
ONES. |
| 00:01:57 | LAST WEEK I TALKED ABOUT THE
FUTURE OF ODOT WITH REP. |
| 00:01:59 | REX DAMSCHRODER, A REPUBLICAN
FROM FREMONT AND THE HEAD OF |
| 00:02:03 | THE HOUSE TRANSPORTATION
COMMITTEE, AND GENE KREBS, A |
| 00:02:04 | FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE FROM
SOUTHWEST OHIO AND THE SENIOR |
| 00:02:07 | THE SENIOR DIRECTOR FOR
GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND POLICY AT |
| 00:02:09 | GREATER OHIO, A THINK TANK THAT
WORKS ON ISSUES RELATED TO |
| 00:02:12 | TRANSPORTATION, GROWTH AND LAND
USE. |
| 00:02:14 | HERE'S THE SECOND HALF OF OUR
CONVERSATION. |
| 00:02:18 | >> WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP |
| 00:02:28 | THING.
HE ALSO SAYS THAT PROJECTS THAT |
| 00:02:33 | COME TO ODOT NEED TO COME WITH
FUNDING IDEAS ATTACHED. |
| 00:02:39 | HOW FEASIBLE IS THAT THAT PEOPLE
WILL BRING NOT ONLY A NEW |
| 00:02:42 | PROJECT, BUT ALSO, HERE IS THE
FUNDING, AND HERE ARE SOME IDEAS |
| 00:02:46 | TO GET THE FUNDING?
>> LET'S GO BACK 60 YEARS. |
| 00:02:51 | 60 YEARS AGO, WE SHOULD HAVE
DONE A TAX IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR |
| 00:03:00 | ALL INTERSTATE INTERCHANGES.
A FEW DEVELOPERS GOT VERY RICH |
| 00:03:05 | OFF OF PUTTING DOWN A BIG BOX
STORE AT AND INTERSTATE |
| 00:03:09 | INTERCHANGE.
THAT MONEY SHOULD HAVE GONE INTO |
| 00:03:11 | -- PART OF THAT SHOULD HAVE GONE
INTO THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE |
| 00:03:15 | FOR THE INTERCHANGE.
THE INTERCHANGE MAKE IT |
| 00:03:17 | VALUABLE.
THEN THERE IS NO MONEY TO |
| 00:03:18 | SUPPORT IT.
WE TRANSFERRED WEALTH TO RICH |
| 00:03:24 | DEVELOPERS WHO HAPPENED TO GET
TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE TO BUY |
| 00:03:26 | THE PROPERTY.
THE SAME THING APPLIES HERE. |
| 00:03:27 | THE BUSINESSES WHO ARE GOING TO
OVER THE BENEFIT FROM ANY SORT |
| 00:03:33 | OF A NEW TRANSPORTATION THING
-- AND WE DO THE SAME THING IN |
| 00:03:36 | TRANSIT.
IT IS CALLED TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT |
| 00:03:41 | FUNDING.
THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS WE CAN |
| 00:03:43 | DO THIS.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR |
| 00:03:47 | 40 YEARS.
THE BUGS HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT OF |
| 00:03:49 | THIS.
>> LET ME ASK YOU TO WRAP THIS |
| 00:03:51 | UP.
SOME PEOPLE SAW THE DELAYS THAT |
| 00:03:56 | WERE WITH THAT -- GOT VERY
ANGRY, ESPECIALLY IN NORTHEAST |
| 00:04:00 | OHIO, CLEVELAND, WHERE IT WILL
BE DELAYED BY 20-SOME YEARS. |
| 00:04:06 | DO YOU THINK THAT ODOT AS AN
AGENCY GETS THE ANGER OF SOME OF |
| 00:04:14 | THESE THINGS?
>> I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. |
| 00:04:17 | PROJECTING THESE PROJECTS OUT
INTO THE FUTURE IS ABOUT AS GOOD |
| 00:04:22 | A PROJECTION AS YOU GET FROM THE
WEATHERMAN. |
| 00:04:24 | THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHAT THE
INCOMES ARE GOING TO BE IN FIVE |
| 00:04:28 | AND 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
WE'RE TALKING FIVE, 10, AND 20 |
| 00:04:32 | YEARS IN THE FUTURE.
EVERYONE IS A LITTLE BIT |
| 00:04:34 | GUESSING HERE.
THERE ARE CLEARLY THE PROBLEMS |
| 00:04:37 | THAT MR. KREBS HERE HAS
SUGGESTED. |
| 00:04:44 | THOSE PROBLEMS ARE CLEARLY THE
FINANCIAL PROBLEMS. |
| 00:04:47 | THERE ARE NO SIMPLE SOLUTIONS.
IF WE WANT THE QUALITY |
| 00:04:53 | PRODUCTS, BECAUSE THE HIGHWAYS,
WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM. |
| 00:04:55 | WHAT WAYS CAN WE PAY FOR THEM?
WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE DOLLARS FOR |
| 00:05:00 | THAT TO HAPPEN.
THE TAXPAYERS OF OHIO, MORE THAN |
| 00:05:04 | ANYTHING, WHAT VALUE FOR THEIR
DOLLAR. |
| 00:05:07 | THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE I HAVE |
| 00:05:09 | VALUE WHEN I SPEND MY MONEY.
AS LONG AS THE STATE DOES NOT |
| 00:05:13 | BLOW IT OUT THE WINDOW, I THINK
THE TAX PAYING PUBLIC WILL BE OK |
| 00:05:15 | WITH IT.
>> I THINK WE CAN REASONABLY |
| 00:05:20 | EXPECT YOUR FEDERAL DOLLARS.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE |
| 00:05:23 | FEDERAL GAS TAX.
A ANBAR WROTE $28 BILLION -- |
| 00:05:28 | THEY HAVE BORROWED $28 BILLION
OF YOUR FEDERAL AND INCOME TAX |
| 00:05:36 | MONEY.
IF THEY EQUALIZE IT AND WE START |
| 00:05:38 | SPENDING THE MONEY FROM THE FED
WE ACTUALLY TAKE IN FROM THE GAS |
| 00:05:43 | TAX, YOU WILL GET LESS MONEY
FROM THE FED. |
| 00:05:46 | ALL THE SETTING, THAT POWERS
MASSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, |
| 00:05:51 | LIKE THE BRIDGE, THE BRIDGE
HERE, THE BRIDGE IN CLEVELAND. |
| 00:05:55 | THIS IS MY SUGGESTION.
THE HOUSE CRUCIAGRACIOUSLY PUT N |
| 00:06:05 | THE ODOT BUDGET TO THE SENATE
TOOK IT OUT. |
| 00:06:08 | DO NOT PUT PEOPLE LIKE ME --
MAKE IT YOU GUYS. |
| 00:06:15 | YOU NEED TO GET DOWN THERE AND
DECIDE HOW LONG TERM YOU ARE |
| 00:06:18 | GOING TO START FIXING THESE
THINGS. |
| 00:06:20 | UNFORTUNATELY, I WILL TELL YOU,
IT IS WORSE THAN WHAT YOU |
| 00:06:23 | BELIEVE.
IT IS WORSE THAN WHAT ANYONE IS |
| 00:06:26 | TALKING ABOUT.
I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT NOW |
| 00:06:29 | FOR COMING UP ON SEVEN YEARS
ABOUT HOW BAD IT IS. |
| 00:06:32 | I DO NOT NEED TO TELL YOU HOW
BAD IT REALLY IS PRETTY WOULD |
| 00:06:35 | NEVER BELIEVE ME.
>> GENE, ONE GOOD SOURCE OF |
| 00:06:39 | FUNDING THAT IS KIND OF A NEW
CONCEPT TO THE STATE IS THESE |
| 00:06:43 | REST AREAS.
ANOTHER UNDER LEGALIZED -- |
| 00:06:49 | ANOTHER UNDERUTILIZED ASSET.
I GO PAST THE REST AREAS IN THE |
| 00:06:55 | STATE OF OHIO AND WHAT DO I SEE?
A BUNCH OF TRUCKS PARKED THERE. |
| 00:06:58 | NO GAS STATIONS.
NO FOOD. |
| 00:07:00 | >> DON'T YOU HAVE PEOPLE AT THE
NEXT DOP THAT HAVE BUSINESSES |
| 00:07:04 | AND GAS STATIONS WHO ARE OPPOSED
TO THE PRIVATIZATION? |
| 00:07:07 | >> THAT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT
THAN ON THE TURNPIKE. |
| 00:07:11 | >> THIS MIGHT BE TRUE.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE UNDERUTILIZED. |
| 00:07:14 | IF NOTHING ELSE, YOU GO PAST
THESE REST AREAS IN THE MIDDLE |
| 00:07:19 | OF THE NIGHT, WHY DON'T THEY
TURN IT INTO A BIG PARKING LOT |
| 00:07:24 | AND CHARGE THEM $10 A NIGHT TO
PARK THERE? |
| 00:07:26 | I DO THINK IT IS AAN
UNDERUTILIZED ASSET. |
| 00:07:35 | >> I HAVE TO COMMEND THE
DIRECTOR FOR COMING UP WITH |
| 00:07:38 | THIS, BUT HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO
DO THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO |
| 00:07:41 | MAKE UP THE SHORTFALL.
HE HAS TO HAVE A BRILLIANT IDEA |
| 00:07:46 | EVERY YEAR.
WE ARE ALREADY FOUR YEARS SHORT |
| 00:07:48 | ON THIS PROGRAM.
>> BY THE WAY, WE SEND BEST |
| 00:07:51 | WISHES ALONG TO GENE KREBS AS HE
DEPARTS FROM GREATER OHIO, BUT |
| 00:07:57 | HE REMAINS CONCERNED.
WISHES ALONG TO GENE KREBS AS |
| 00:08:01 | HE DEPARTS FROM GREATER OHIO,
BUT REMAINS COMMITTED TO HIS |
| 00:08:02 | CONCERNS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION
ISSUES IN OHIO. |
| 00:08:04 | THE RESULTS OF THE 2011 WEREN'T
EVEN OFFICIAL LAST YEAR, BUT TWO |
| 00:08:05 | DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION, THE
PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT VOTERS ISSUE |
| 00:08:07 | 3 -- THE SELF-TITLED OHIOANS
FOR HEALTH CARE FREEDOM |
| 00:08:09 | AMENDMENT -- WERE BACK WITH
THEIR NEXT PROJECT. |
| 00:08:11 | THE CONSERVATIVE 1851 CENTER FOR
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, ALONG WITH |
| 00:08:15 | THE TEA PARTY GROUP THE OHIO
LIBERTY COUNCIL, ANNOUNCED THEY |
| 00:08:18 | WERE LAUNCHING A DRIVE TO GET
AN AMENDMENT ON AN UPCOMING |
| 00:08:20 | BALLOT THAT WOULD BAN WORKPLACE
CONTRACTS FROM REQUIRING |
| 00:08:22 | EMPLOYEES TO PAY UNION DUES OR
MAKE PARTIAL DUES PAYMENTS TO |
| 00:08:26 | GET OR KEEP A JOB.
THE PETITION DRIVE GOT OFF TO A |
| 00:08:32 | SLOWER START THAN INITIALLY
EXPECTED. |
| 00:08:35 | A SPOKESMAN SAYS PETITIONS
STARTED BEING CIRCULATED TWO OR |
| 00:08:37 | THREE MONTHS AGO, AND 2013
WOULD BE THE EARLIEST THEY WOULD |
| 00:08:40 | HAVE THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES
THEY'D NEED TO PUT WHAT THEY'RE |
| 00:08:43 | CALLING BEFORE VOTERS.
BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY THE |
| 00:08:49 | POSSIBILITY THAT OHIOANS COULD
VOTE ON A SO-CALLED "RIGHT TO |
| 00:08:51 | WORK" MEASURE SOMETIME IN THE
NEXT FEW YEARS. |
| 00:08:53 | 23 STATES HAVE THESE "RIGHT TO
WORK" LAWS. |
| 00:08:55 | THAT INCLUDES THE STATES IN A
CORRIDOR FROM NORTH DAKOTA TO |
| 00:08:59 | TEXAS, AND THEN EVERY STATE
SOUTHERN FROM TEXAS EAST TO |
| 00:09:02 | VIRGINIA, ALONG WITH SEVERAL
WESTERN STATES AND TWO |
| 00:09:06 | MIDWESTERN STATES -- IOWA AND
THE MOST RECENT ONE TO ADOPT |
| 00:09:10 | THESE LAWS, INDIANA.
SUPPORTERS OF THESE LAWS SAY |
| 00:09:17 | IT'S ABOUT WORKERS HAVING THE
FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHETHER THEY |
| 00:09:19 | WANT TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT A
UNION. |
| 00:09:21 | BUT OPPONENTS CALL THEM "RIGHT
TO WORK FOR LESS" LAWS, AND THAT |
| 00:09:23 | WAGES AND BENEFITS ARE LOWER IN
STATES WITH THOSE LAWS THAN THEY |
| 00:09:25 | ARE IN WHAT THEY CALL "FAIR
SHARE" STATES. |
| 00:09:27 | TWO LEADING EXPERTS IN THE
ECONOMY AND THE LABOR FORCE. |
| 00:09:31 | THAT WAS BEFORE INDIANA BECAME
A RIGHT TO WORK STATE EARLIER |
| 00:09:35 | THIS YEAR, BUT THE ISSUES
INVOLVED IN LAWS RELATED TO THIS |
| 00:09:39 | ISSUE STILL ARE VERY RELEVANT.
DR. RICHARD VEDDER IS A |
| 00:09:45 | DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR OF
ECONOMICS AT OHIO UNIVERSITY IN |
| 00:09:48 | ATHENS AND A VISITING SCHOLAR
AT THE CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN |
| 00:09:52 | ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE.
AMY HANAUER IS THE FOUNDING |
| 00:09:54 | EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF POLICY
MATTERS OHIO, A PROGRESSIVE |
| 00:09:58 | LEANING THINK TANK THAT FOCUSES
ON LABOR ISSUES. |
| 00:09:59 | >> MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED
FOR THE HEALTH CARE FREEDOM |
| 00:10:09 | AMENDMENT ARE GOING TO LOOK AT
THIS ONE, IF IT MAKES THE |
| 00:10:12 | BALLOT, AND SAY, I LIKE THE IDEA
THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO |
| 00:10:16 | FINANCIALLY SUPPORT A UNION.
WHAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT FOR WHY |
| 00:10:20 | THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA?
>> YOU KNOW, IF IT'S |
| 00:10:24 | GUARANTEEING SOMEONE TO THE
RIGHT TO WORK, I'D BE ALL FOR |
| 00:10:28 | IT.
IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH |
| 00:10:30 | PROVIDING ANYONE WITH THE RIGHT
TO WORK. |
| 00:10:33 | IT SAYS UNIONS REPRESENT
WORKERS -- JUST LIKE IF YOU TOLD |
| 00:10:41 | SOMEONE THAT THEY COULD HAVE
THEIR GROCERIES FOR FREE AND |
| 00:10:43 | THEY COULD PAY FOR THEM IF THEY
WANTED TO -- SOME PEOPLE, NO |
| 00:10:47 | MATTER HOW MUCH THEY LIKE THE
GROCER, ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR |
| 00:10:52 | IT.
IT IS UP REDUCING THE PAYMENTS |
| 00:10:55 | TO UNIONS, WHICH MAKES IT
DIFFICULT FOR UNIONS TO GET BY. |
| 00:10:58 | IT RESULTS IN LOWER LEVELS OF
UNIONIZATION, WHICH RESULTS IN |
| 00:11:03 | LOWER WAGES AND LESS GOOD
WORKING CONDITIONS FOR WORKING |
| 00:11:05 | PEOPLE.
>> DR. VEDDER, WE ALREADY HAVE |
| 00:11:10 | THE ABILITY IN AMERICA TO NOT
JOIN A UNION, IF WE CHOOSE. |
| 00:11:14 | YOU DO NOT HAVE TO JOIN A UNION.
YOU'RE IN A SHOP WHERE THERE IS |
| 00:11:18 | A UNION CONTRACT, YOU DO HAVE TO
PAY DUES. |
| 00:11:22 | WHY DO WE NEED THIS?
AMY JUST SAID THIS IDEA OF |
| 00:11:27 | FREELOADERS COMING IN AND
SPONGING OFF WHAT THE UNION WORK |
| 00:11:29 | HAS DONE.
>> THERE'S SOME DOUBT AS TO |
| 00:11:32 | WHETHER THE UNIONS HAVE IN FACT
BROUGHT HIGHER WAGES AND POOR |
| 00:11:36 | CONDITIONS IN MODERN TIMES.
I THINK THE EVIDENCE IS MURKY ON |
| 00:11:42 | THAT POINT.
THE BROADER POINT IS, IF YOU |
| 00:11:44 | COMPARE THE 22 STATES THAT YOU
MENTIONED THAT HAVE THESE RIGHT |
| 00:11:48 | TO WORK LAWS WITH THE 28 OTHER
STATES, WHICH INCLUDE OHIO, AND |
| 00:11:54 | YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN
THE LAST 10 OR 20 YEARS, 5 |
| 00:11:57 | MILLION PEOPLE IN THE LAST
DECADE MOVED FROM THE NON RIGHT- |
| 00:12:00 | TO-WORK STATES INTO THE RIGHT TO
WORK STATE. |
| 00:12:05 | 83 FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES HAVE
MOVED FROM THE NON RIGHT-TO- |
| 00:12:09 | WORK STATES TO THE RIGHT TO WORK
STATES SINCE 1984. |
| 00:12:17 | THE PERCENTAGE GROWTH IN GROSS
STATE PRODUCT IS HIGHER BY QUITE |
| 00:12:21 | A BIT IN THE RIGHT TO WORK
STATES THAN THE OTHER STATES. |
| 00:12:27 | THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN LIFE
BESIDES RIGHT TO WORK LAWS. |
| 00:12:30 | TAXES HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.
THERE ARE A VARIETY OF THINGS. |
| 00:12:34 | I DO THINK THIS PROVIDES AN
ENVIRONMENT THAT INVESTORS FEEL |
| 00:12:38 | COMFORTABLE WITH.
WORKERS ARE NOT COMPELLED TO |
| 00:12:42 | JOIN A UNION OR PAY DUES TO THE
UNION WHERE THEY HAVE COMPLETE |
| 00:12:46 | FREEDOM OF CHOICE WITH RESPECT
TO THEIR WORKING CONTRACT. |
| 00:12:49 | >> LET ME ASK YOU TO WEIGH IN ON
ALL THAT ONAMY. |
| 00:12:53 | ALSO, THE 22 STATES THAT HAVE
RIGHT TO WORK LAWS IT IS 13 HAVE |
| 00:12:59 | AN OBLITERATES THAT ARE LOWER
THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. |
| 00:13:01 | LET ME ASK YOU TO WEIGH IN ON
ALL THAT. |
| 00:13:06 | >> IT IS FUNNY.
ON ALMOST EVERY ECONOMIC |
| 00:13:09 | INDICATOR, IT STATES THAT I CALL
FAIR SHARE STATES ACTUALLY ARE |
| 00:13:17 | DOING BETTER.
WHETHER IT IS MEDIUM INCOME, |
| 00:13:21 | AVERAGE INCOME, POVERTY LEVELS
-- ON ALL OF THESE LEVELS, THE |
| 00:13:31 | FAIR SHARE STATES DO BETTER THAN
THE SO-CALLED RIGHT TO WORK |
| 00:13:34 | STATE.
EVEN ON THE VARIABLES RICHARD |
| 00:13:38 | WANTS TO MENTION, FOUR OF THE
FIVE TOP GROWING STATES ARE FAIR |
| 00:13:43 | SHARE STATES.
10 OF THE TOP 15 ARE FAIR SHARE |
| 00:13:46 | STATES.
HE IS USING A VERY SELECTIVE USE |
| 00:13:51 | OF THE DATA.
THE MORE APPROPRIATE WAY, I |
| 00:13:55 | WOULD NEVER ARGUE THAT THE
BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN |
| 00:13:58 | MASSACHUSETTS AND MISSISSIPPI IS
WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A SO- |
| 00:14:01 | CALLED RIGHT TO WORK LAW.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THE LEVEL OF |
| 00:14:06 | EDUCATION OF THE WORKERS, THE
INVESTMENT MASSACHUSETTS |
| 00:14:10 | CITIZENS HAVE MADE IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE, THE LEVEL OF |
| 00:14:12 | PREPARATIONS, THE PROXIMITY TO
MARKETS. |
| 00:14:14 | THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT REALLY
MATTER IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC |
| 00:14:17 | DEVELOPMENT.
THAT SAID, I THINK THAT RIGHT TO |
| 00:14:21 | WORK HAS PROVEN TO NOT BE VERY
BENEFICIAL POINT I WOULD LOVE TO |
| 00:14:24 | TALK ABOUT THE CASE OF OKLAHOMA
AS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. |
| 00:14:27 | >> WHAT ABOUT OKLAHOMA IN
PARTICULAR? |
| 00:14:30 | >> IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE OKLAHOMA
IS THE ONLY STATE TO PASS THE |
| 00:14:36 | RIGHT TO WORK SINCE THE PASSAGE
OF NAFTA. |
| 00:14:40 | I CAN SAY MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.
THE PERFORMANCE OF OKLAHOMA HAS |
| 00:14:45 | REALLY BEEN OF THIS MONTH.
PRIOR TO PASSAGE OF THE SO- |
| 00:14:48 | CALLED RIGHT TO WORK LAW, EVERY
YEAR FOR 10 YEARS GROWING, |
| 00:14:53 | OKLAHOMA HAD GROWTH IN
MANUFACTURING EMPLOYMENT. |
| 00:14:56 | PEOPLE CAME IN AND SAID IF THEY
PASSED RIGHT TO WORK, THEY WOULD |
| 00:15:00 | HAVE ALL KINDS OF INCREASE TO
GROWTH. |
| 00:15:01 | SINCE THE PASSAGE OF RIGHT TO
WORK, MANUFACTURING EMPLOYMENT |
| 00:15:05 | HAS DECLINED EVERY YEAR.
HAS BEEN A BAD TIME FOR |
| 00:15:07 | MANUFACTURING EMPLOYMENT.
THEIR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HAS |
| 00:15:12 | DOUBLED.
IT HAS GROWN RELATIVE TO |
| 00:15:14 | NEIGHBORING STATES, MORE SO.
RIGHT TO WORK HAS BEEN AN |
| 00:15:19 | UNMITIGATED DISASTER FOR
OKLAHOMA. |
| 00:15:21 | I WOULD NOT IN FACT ARGUED THAT
BECAUSE OF RIGHT TO WORK. |
| 00:15:23 | I WOULD JUST ARGUE THAT RIGHT TO
WORK HAS NOT HELPED OKLAHOMA. |
| 00:15:27 | THAT'S BECAUSE RIGHT TO WORK HAS
VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON THE STATE |
| 00:15:31 | ECONOMY.
>> I SUPPOSE THERE ARE EXAMPLES |
| 00:15:33 | OF OTHER STATES THAT HAVE A
MUCH LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. |
| 00:15:38 | NORTH DAKOTA AND ALASKA.
>> 7 OF THE 10 LOWEST |
| 00:15:46 | UNEMPLOYMENT STATES ART FAIR
SHARE STATES. |
| 00:15:48 | IF YOU CONTROL FOR OTHER
INDICATORS. |
| 00:15:54 | , AGAIN, IF YOU DO NOT IMPLY THE
BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN |
| 00:15:57 | ARIZONA AND OHIO IS A RIGHT TO
WORK LAW, BUT IN FACT THE |
| 00:16:02 | DIFFERENCE IS THE WEATHER, THE
INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE, |
| 00:16:07 | THE EDUCATION SYSTEM -- IF YOU
CONTROL FOR THAT, GENERALLY, |
| 00:16:11 | FAIR SHARE STATES PERFORM BETTER
OR AT LEAST AS WELL AS SO-CALLED |
| 00:16:14 | RIGHT TO WORK STATE.
>> WHAT ABOUT THIS IDEA THAT IN |
| 00:16:19 | STATES WHERE THERE ARE RIGHT TO
WORK LAWS IT IS THAT YOU COULD |
| 00:16:22 | HAVE WORKERS THAT ARE
FREELOADING -- LAWS, THAT YOU |
| 00:16:27 | COULD HAVE WORKERS THAT ARE
FREELOADING? |
| 00:16:30 | IF THERE ARE NOT UNIONS THERE TO
KIND OF CHECK THEM IN. |
| 00:16:35 | >> LET'S USE OHIO AS A EXAMPLE.
LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT OKLAHOMA |
| 00:16:43 | PILL LET'S TALK ABOUT OHIO.
34 YEARS AGO IN THE HEART OF |
| 00:16:47 | WHEN MANUFACTURING WAS KING, WE
HAD ALMOST 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE IN |
| 00:16:51 | MANUFACTURING IN OHIO.
WE HAVE LESS THAN HALF OF THAT |
| 00:16:55 | TODAY.
650,000. |
| 00:16:57 | WE LOST THREE-QUARTERS OF A
MILLION WORKERS FROM |
| 00:17:00 | MANUFACTURING, A HIGHLY
UNIONIZED SECTOR. |
| 00:17:01 | HIGH WAGES FOR MANY OF THOSE
WORKERS, YES. |
| 00:17:07 | THOSE JOBS ARE GONE.
THOSE JOBS REFLECT OTHER |
| 00:17:10 | COUNTRIES.
WE ARE IN A NEW WORLD. |
| 00:17:11 | TO LOOK AT A STATE AND EVALUATE
ITS PERFORMANCE BASED ON THE |
| 00:17:16 | NUMBER OF MANUFACTURING WORKERS,
AS AMY JUST DID WITH OKLAHOMA, I |
| 00:17:22 | THINK IS A COMPLETELY SHORT-
SIGHTED APPROACH. |
| 00:17:24 | THE REALITY IS, RESOURCES,
PEOPLE, BUSINESSES, ARE MOVING |
| 00:17:30 | FROM THE NON RIGHT-TO-WORK
STATES TO THE RIGHT TO WORK |
| 00:17:36 | STATE.
5 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE FIRST |
| 00:17:37 | DECADE.
HALF A MILLION PER YEAR. |
| 00:17:42 | >> IN DEFENSE OF WHAT SHE IS
SAYING, A LOT OF THOSE STATES |
| 00:17:45 | ARE STATES THAT HAVE BETTER
WEATHER THAN SOME OF THE FAIR |
| 00:17:50 | SHARE STATES.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FLORIDA. |
| 00:17:54 | >> THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS
THAT ENTER INTO ECONOMIC |
| 00:17:59 | DEVELOPMENT.
ONE THING SHE SAID THAT I |
| 00:18:01 | ABSOLUTELY ALMOST HAD APOPLEXY
ON. |
| 00:18:05 | I DO NOT THINK YOU WANT A PERSON
HAVING A HEART ATTACK ON YOUR |
| 00:18:07 | SHOW.
IT PROBABLY IS TRUE THAT THE |
| 00:18:10 | AVERAGE INCOME LEVEL IN THE SO-
CALLED NON RIGHT-TO-WORK STATES |
| 00:18:13 | TODAY IS SOMEWHAT HIGHER THAN IN
THE RIGHT TO WORK STATE. |
| 00:18:16 | THAT IS NOT WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
IT IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE |
| 00:18:21 | CHANGES OVER TIME IN THOSE
STATES. |
| 00:18:22 | THE RIGHT TO WORK STATES INCLUDE
MANY SOUTHERN STATES. |
| 00:18:27 | THE SOUTHERN STATES ARE GROWING.
GEORGIA USED TO BE WAY BEHIND |
| 00:18:29 | OHIO ON PER CAPITA INCOME.
NOW GEORGIA'S PER CAPITA INCOME |
| 00:18:36 | IS ALMOST THE SAME AS OHIO.
NO ONE WOULD SAY ATLANTA IS A |
| 00:18:40 | LESS VIBRANT CITY THEN
CLEVELAND. |
| 00:18:43 | I DO NOT KNOW ANYONE WHO WOULD
SAY THAT. |
| 00:18:45 | YET, ONE HAS A RIGHT TO WORK
LAW AND ONE DOES NOT. |
| 00:18:52 | YOU CAN READ THE STATISTICS ANY
WAY YOU WANT. |
| 00:18:54 | I THINK THERE'S ALSO, HOWEVER,
THE ISSUE SHOES TALKING ABOUT |
| 00:19:00 | FREELOADING.
THAT IMPLIES THE UNION LEADERS |
| 00:19:05 | HAVE A RIGHT TO DETERMINE HOW A
PART OF A PERSON'S INCOME WILL |
| 00:19:09 | BE USED.
MAYBE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE |
| 00:19:12 | PAYING INTO UNIONS ARE PEOPLE
WHO ARE PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED |
| 00:19:17 | TO UNIONS WHO FEEL THE UNION IS
DELIVERING LITTLE FOR THEM, ETC. |
| 00:19:20 | UNIONS HAVE DIED IN THE UNITED
STATES. |
| 00:19:28 | LESS THAN 10% OF AMERICANS ARE
IN A UNIONS. |
| 00:19:33 | >> WHY SHOULD PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
IN UNIONS BE WORRIED ABOUT A |
| 00:19:38 | RIGHT TO WORK LAW IN OHIO?
>> THERE IS SO MUCH THEY'RE |
| 00:19:44 | RICHER JUST SAID THAT I HAVE TO
ADDRESS. |
| 00:19:46 | I AM NOT AT ALL SURPRISED THAT
HE DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT |
| 00:19:53 | OKLAHOMA.
OKLAHOMA HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR |
| 00:19:54 | THE SO-CALLED RIGHT TO WORK
CAUSE. |
| 00:19:56 | IT IS THE ONLY STATE WHERE THEY
SUCCEEDED PASSING RIGHT TO WORK |
| 00:20:01 | POST-NAFTA.
IT WENT FROM A HIGH-GROWTH STATE |
| 00:20:05 | IN THE LOW UNEMPLOYMENT STATE TO
HAVING ITS UNEMPLOYMENT RATE |
| 00:20:07 | DOUBLED AND ITS GROWTH DECLINE.
RICHARD IS RIGHT. |
| 00:20:12 | POST-NAFTA IS A VERY DIFFERENT
WORLD. |
| 00:20:15 | WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IN
FACT, I THINK IT'S MADE IT WORSE |
| 00:20:23 | FOR THE RIGHT TO WORK STATE.
NAFTA HAS SAID THAT IF FIRMS |
| 00:20:28 | WANT TO COMPETE, IF STATES WANT
TO COMPETE ON THE BASIS OF LOW |
| 00:20:30 | WAGES AND LOW WORKING CONDITIONS
AND LOW SKILL -- THE FIRMS CAN |
| 00:20:40 | SIMPLY GO TO MEXICO OR CHINA AND
FIND CHEAPER WORKERS, LOW OR |
| 00:20:46 | ER WAGES.
TO REALLY COMPETE -- BY SAYING, |
| 00:20:56 | WE ARE GOING TO INVEST IN OUR
WORK FORCE. |
| 00:20:59 | WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HIGHLY
EDUCATED WORK FORCE. |
| 00:21:01 | WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOLID
INFRASTRUCTURE. |
| 00:21:04 | AND PROXIMITY TO.
-- AND PROXIMITY TO MARKETS. |
| 00:21:09 | THAT'S WHAT SITE SELECTION
PEOPLE SAY THEY LOOK FOR IN A |
| 00:21:12 | STATE, ANYWAY.
IT'S REALLY A CASE, IN A POST- |
| 00:21:15 | NAFTA WORLD, IT BECOMES EVEN
MORE MEANINGLESS AND A MUCH |
| 00:21:21 | SMARTER APPROACH.
>> THE UNION IDEA MAY NOT BE |
| 00:21:26 | SUPPORTED BY ALL WORKERS.
I CAN SEE WERE HIGHLY EDUCATED |
| 00:21:30 | WORKERS MIGHT BE WORRIED ABOUT
A SENIORITY-BASED SYSTEM, EVEN |
| 00:21:34 | THOUGH THEY HAVE A HIGHER
EDUCATION THEN OTHER WORKERS. |
| 00:21:38 | WHAT ABOUT THAT?
>> THE TECHNICAL LEVELS OF |
| 00:21:43 | UNIONIZATION, IF SOMEBODY'S
BIGGEST CONCERN IS THEY WANTED |
| 00:21:45 | TO WORK WITH A NON UNIONIZED
FIRM, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF |
| 00:21:49 | CHOICES.
AS YOU KNOW, UNIONS ARE |
| 00:21:51 | DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED IN WORK
PLACES. |
| 00:21:55 | WORKERS VOTE TO FORM A UNION.
THEY VOTE ON WHO THEIR UNION |
| 00:21:58 | REPRESENTATIVES ARE.
IF UNIONS DO NOT WANT TO BE -- |
| 00:22:01 | IF WORKERS DO NOT WANT TO BE
EYEING A UNION, THEY DO NOT HAVE |
| 00:22:04 | TO BE BY FEDERAL LAW.
THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE |
| 00:22:07 | PORTION OF DUES THAT PAYS FOR
OTHER THINGS. |
| 00:22:10 | THEY DO HAVE TO PAY FOR THE
PORTION OF DUES THAT HELPS THEM |
| 00:22:13 | BE REPRESENTED, JUST LIKE I'VE
GOT TO PAY FOR MY GROCERIES |
| 00:22:18 | WHETHER I FEEL LIKE I HAVE MONEY
THAT WE TO DO SO OR NOT. |
| 00:22:21 | THAT IS SORT OF THE WAY IT
WORKS. |
| 00:22:24 | THE FACT IS, WORKERS GET
ENORMOUS BENEFITS FROM THE NINE |
| 00:22:28 | UNIONS.
THEY GET HIGHER WAGES. |
| 00:22:30 | THEY GET MORE HEALTH INSURANCE.
NOT ONLY THAT, EMPLOYERS ALSO |
| 00:22:34 | GET GOOD BENEFITS FROM THE NINE
UNIONS. |
| 00:22:37 | UNIONS ARE SOME OF THE BEST
PROVIDERS OF TRAINING. |
| 00:22:41 | UNIONS FIGHT FOR BETTER TRAINED
WORKERS AND FIGHT TO COMPETE ON |
| 00:22:46 | THE BASIS OF HIGH WAGE AND HIGH
SKILL. |
| 00:22:49 | >> WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE MORE
MINUTES, DR. VEDDER. |
| 00:22:52 | THIS HAS BEEN TRIED IN OHIO
BEFORE. |
| 00:22:55 | IT FAILED MISERABLY AND EVEN
CAUSE THE GOVERNOR HIS JOB AT |
| 00:23:01 | THE TIME IN 1958.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS COULD |
| 00:23:05 | BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE
SUPPORTED NOW? |
| 00:23:08 | ISN'T THIS, SOME PEOPLE SEE IT,
JUST ANOTHER WAY TO BUST UNIONS |
| 00:23:12 | AT A TIME WHEN REPUBLICANS HAVE
STRENGTH? |
| 00:23:14 | >> THE STATE IS ALTOGETHER
DIFFERENT ECONOMICALLY THAN IT |
| 00:23:19 | WAS IN 1958.
UNEMPLOYMENT IS LESS THAN HALF |
| 00:23:23 | OF WHAT IT WAS IN 1958 DID WE
HAVE MOVED TO MORE OF A SERVICE |
| 00:23:28 | INFORMATION ECONOMY.
MORE PEOPLE FEEL THEIR |
| 00:23:30 | RELATIONSHIP WITH EMPLOYERS AS A
COLLEGIAL RELATIONSHIP. |
| 00:23:36 | OUR TECHNICAL WORKERS,
MANAGERIAL WORKERS, THEN WAS THE |
| 00:23:41 | CASE IN 1958.
THE BLUE-COLLAR WORKER IS NOT |
| 00:23:44 | DEAD IN OHIO, BUT THAT CATEGORY
OF WORKERS HAS DECLINED A LOT. |
| 00:23:48 | THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT AND
ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT HAS |
| 00:23:53 | SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED.
>> DO YOU THINK THIS PROPOSAL |
| 00:23:56 | WOULD HAVE DONE -- EXPANDED TO
ALL UNIONIZED WORKPLACE. |
| 00:24:03 | >> THIS PROVISION WAS JUST VOTED
ON FOR PUBLIC-SECTOR WORKERS. |
| 00:24:06 | OHIO VOTERS MADE IT VERY CLEAR
THAT THEY DISAGREE WITH THIS |
| 00:24:09 | KIND OF APPROACH.
HAVING FAILED TO GETTING RID OF |
| 00:24:13 | A UNION IN A COUPLE SECTORS,
THERE'S BEEN AN ATTEMPT TO HURT |
| 00:24:17 | THEM IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
I DO NOT THINK THAT'S THE |
| 00:24:20 | DIRECTION OHIO PEOPLE WANTED
THREE OHIO WANTED TO FOCUS ON |
| 00:24:23 | SOLVING PROBLEMS, CREATING GOOD
JOBS, AND REVITALIZING OHIO. |
| 00:24:28 | >> WOULDN'T THIS DO JUST
WHAT SENATE BILL 5 WOULD DO? |
| 00:24:34 | >> I THINK THEY'RE RATHER
DIFFERENT. |
| 00:24:39 | SENATE BILL 5, FOR EXAMPLE,
ASIDE FROM APPLYING ONLY TO |
| 00:24:41 | PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, PUTS STRICT
RESTRICTIONS ON CERTAIN TYPES OF |
| 00:24:47 | BARGAINING THAT CAN BE DONE.
THIS BILL SAYS NOTHING ABOUT |
| 00:24:50 | BARGAINING.
IT SAYS NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT |
| 00:24:53 | THIS.
SENATE BILL 5 TALKED ABOUT |
| 00:24:54 | HEALTH CARE COSTS.
SENATE BILL 5 ATTEMPTED TO PUT |
| 00:25:00 | INTO LEGISLATION WHAT COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING TRIES TO DO IN A |
| 00:25:03 | VOLUNTARY WAY.
I DO THINK THE APPROACHES ARE |
| 00:25:07 | RATHER DIFFERENT.
>> VEDDER PREDICTED INDIANA |
| 00:25:11 | WOULD BECOME A RIGHT TO WORK
STATE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW |
| 00:25:14 | MONTHS, AND THE ISSUES.
IN THAT INTERVIEW IN NOVEMBER, |
| 00:25:17 | VEDDER PREDICTED THAT WITHIN A
FEW MONTHS, ANOTHER STATE IN THE |
| 00:25:19 | NORTHEAST PART OF THE COUNTRY
WOULD ADOPT A RIGHT TO WORK LAW. |
| 00:25:21 | AND INDEED, IN FEBRUARY,
INDIANA LAWMAKERS PASSED THE |
| 00:25:22 | FIRST STATEWIDE RIGHT TO WORK
LEGISLATION IN THE RUST BELT. |
| 00:25:24 | IT'S THE SECOND TIME AROUND FOR
THAT LEGISLATION. |
| 00:25:26 | INDIANA BECAME A RIGHT TO WORK
STATE IN 1957, BUT THAT LAW WAS |
| 00:25:29 | REPEALED IN 1965.
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