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00:00:01>> SUPPORT FOR THE STATEWIDE
BROADCAST COMES FROM THE LAW
00:00:05OFFICES OF
ON THE WEB.
00:00:13AND FROM THE HIGHER EDUCATION
ASSOCIATION.
00:00:18REPRESENTING 131,000 TEACHERS.
WORKING FOR GREAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS
00:00:24FOR EVERY CHILD.
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IS MADE
00:00:27POSSIBLE BY ETECH OHIO.
>> NO TALKS OVER HOW TO RESOLVE
00:00:38THE BUDGET.
THE GOVERNOR MADE HIS CASE FOR
00:00:41THE BUDGET THIS WEEK.
THIS WEEK A COUNTERPOINT.
00:00:44CONSERVATIVES ARE STRUGGLING
AGAINST OTHERS ON THE RIGHT OVER
00:00:48IDEAS COMING OUT OF THAT BUDGET
AND FROM KEY LEADERS IN THE
00:00:52REPUBLICAN PARTY.
ALL THIS WEEK IN "THE STATE OF
00:00:56OHIO."
WHILE THERE ARE NOT SESSIONS
00:01:03GOING ON IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT
NOTHING IS HAPPENING.
00:01:05THE BUDGET HAS BEEN OPPOSED BY
KEY BUSINESS AND CONSERVATIVE
00:01:14GROUPS AND RAISING CONCERNS WERE
ELECTED.
00:01:15-- FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
>> I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY
00:01:25SOLVENT.
I DO NOT THINK IT IS ONE OF
00:01:27THESE OVERWHELMING THINGS.
IT IS NOT LIKE OBAMACARE, FOR
00:01:30EXAMPLE.
I THINK WE CAN GET THAT WORK
00:01:33DONE.
IN ADDITION TO COLORING AIDS AND
00:01:36OTHER ACTIVITIES, WE WILL SPEND
A LOT OF TIME NEXT WEEK -- COL
00:01:41ORING EGGS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES,
WE WILL SPEND A LOT OF TIME
00:01:46WORKING ON THOSE ISSUES.
>> THEY HOPE TO PRESERVE THE
00:01:50INCOME TAX CUTS FOR BUSINESSES
AND INDIVIDUALS AND IS OPEN TO
00:01:54SUGGESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO DO
THAT.
00:01:55THE GOVERNOR SHARED ON THIS SHOW
LAST WEEK.
00:01:59ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
LAWMAKERS IS HINTING STRONGLY
00:02:04EXPANSION OF STATE SALES TAX TO
FUND THE INCOME TAX CUT IS
00:02:08PREMATURE DEAD AS BUSINESS
GROUPS WERE HOPING.
00:02:09THE BUDGET IS IN THE HOUSE
COMMITTEE.
00:02:19OTHER REPUBLICANS ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT AN ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THE
00:02:26TAX SHIFT TO SALES TAXES WILL
HIT BUSINESSES HARD.
00:02:30>> INSTEAD OF BEING A NEUTRAL
EXPANSION OF THE BASE IT WAS
00:02:35ABOUT USING THE ADMINISTRATION'S
ANALYSIS, A 79% FOCUSED UPON THE
00:02:40BUSINESS COMMUNITY WHICH HAS
BEEN PAYING MORE -- IN A 35%.
00:02:45THAT CREATES A BUSINESS-
UNFRIENDLY SHIFT THAT WE FEEL
00:02:52WILL BE DIFFICULT TO UNWIND.
WE ARE DEVELOPING -- A REDUCTION
00:03:02IN THE INCOME TAX.
>> THERE IS SOME WORK THAT COULD
00:03:05BE DONE IN CLOSING LOOPHOLES AND
CHANGING TAX CREDITS BUT IT IS
00:03:10NOT LIKELY THE SALES TAX COULD
BE BROADENED TO MORE SERVICES
00:03:15THAT INDIVIDUALS BUY.
WHILE THAT IS NOT OFF THE TABLE
00:03:18IT WOULD TAKE MORE TIME TO MAKE
THAT HAPPEN THEN LAWMAKERS HAVE.
00:03:20BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE NEEDS
TO PASS THE BILL AND BE SIGNED
00:03:25BY THE END OF JUNE.
ALSO GROWING OUT RAISING THE
00:03:29COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY TAX.
THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN SOME
00:03:32SECTORS.
AS FOR CUTTING STATE SPENDING,
00:03:36THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST
CONSERVATIVE BUDGETS HE HAS SEEN
00:03:39WITH EDUCATION AND THE STATE
SHARE OF MEDICAID AS THE ONLY
00:03:42AREA SHOWING BIG INCREASES.
LAWMAKERS HAVE THE INCOME TAX
00:03:47CUTS AS A TARGET AND WE WANT TO
STAY IN THAT SCALE IF WE CAN.
00:03:51THE GOVERNOR WAS ON THE SHOW
LAST WEEK TO DEFEND AND PROMOTE
00:03:56HIS BUDGET WHICH HE SAYS
INCLUDES BIG IDEAS AND CHANGE
00:04:01MAY BE HARD FOR SOME PEOPLE TO
MAKE.
00:04:03THE GOVERNOR IS STANDING BY
INCOME TAX CUTS FOR SMALL
00:04:07BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS
SAYING INCOME TAXES ARE TOO HIGH
00:04:10AND IS TALKING ABOUT THE
MEDICAID EXPANSION BEING THE
00:04:13RIGHT THING TO DO.
ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE WORKING
00:04:16AND CANNOT AFFORD -- AFFORD
INSURANCE.
00:04:20HE IS OPEN TO IDEAS THAT WOULD
ALLOW THE INCOME TAX CUT TO GO
00:04:29FORWARD.
HE DEFENDED HIS POSITION SAYING
00:04:33IT IS PRIVATE AND NEEDS TO STAY
THAT WAY TO CREATE JOBS.
00:04:35IF THE STATE AUDITOR DOES NOT
HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ON A BIT
00:04:40BECAUSE THE IDEA OF EXPOSING
COMPANY'S FINANCIAL RECORDS TO
00:04:43THEIR COMPETITORS WOULD SCARE
THEM AWAY.
00:04:44REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS HAVE
BEEN SOUNDING OFF ON THOSE IDEAS
00:04:48IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
AMONG THOSE IS THE LIBERAL THINK
00:04:50TANK.
DALE BUTLER IS THE
00:04:57COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR
INNOVATION OHIO.
00:04:58I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT THE
GOVERNOR SAID.
00:05:01WE HAVE HEARD THIS ARGUMENT
SEVERAL TIMES AND BACK IN 2005
00:05:06WHEN THE GOVERNOR PROPOSED HIS
TAX CUTS AND WE HEARD IT ON THE
00:05:09NATIONAL LEVEL BUT THERE ARE
PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THAT INCOME
00:05:12TAXES DO NOT -- CUTS TO NOT
CREATE JOBS.
00:05:15THE GOVERNOR SAYS IT
MAKES THE STATE MORE
00:05:23COMPETITIVE.
>> THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO
00:05:25EVIDENCE THAT CUTTING TAXES FOR
RICH PEOPLE TO CREATE JOBS --
00:05:29>> NO EVIDENCE?
>> WE TRIED IT TWICE AND CUT
00:05:34TAXES FOR THE RICH TWICE.
WE ENDED UP WITH THE WORST
00:05:37RECESSION SINCE.
WE HAD A TAX CUT VERY SIMILAR TO
00:05:46WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS PROPOSING.
A THREE-YEAR 20% ACROSS THE
00:05:54BOARD CUT.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.
00:05:56TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS IS AN
ARTICLE OF FAITH.
00:06:00IT DOES NOT DEPEND ON EMPIRICAL
EVIDENCE.
00:06:02IT IS FAITH-BASED.
THE TRUTH IS THERE -- THIS IS
00:06:08THE BIG IDEA THAT IS IN THE
BUDGET.
00:06:10IT IS TRUE THAT THE BUDGET.
WHETHER YOU LOOK AT HIS INCOME
00:06:14TAX CUT THAT FAVORS THE WEALTHY,
WHETHER YOU LOOK AT HIS SALES-
00:06:18TAX EXPANSION THAT SOX INTO
MIDDLE AND LOW-INCOME PEOPLE OR
00:06:21YOU LOOK AT THE SMALL BUSINESS,
WHERE 80% OF THE BENEFITS GO TO
00:06:26THE RICHEST 5%.
IT IS ALL THE PEACE AND SHIFTS
00:06:30THE TAX BURDEN ONTO THE BACKS OF
MIDDLE AND LOW-INCOME PEOPLE.
00:06:34QU>> THESE ARE STATES THAT PEOPE
ARE MOVING TO.
00:06:43STATE SUCH AS FLORIDA.
>> THE GOVERNOR IS FOND OF
00:06:48SAYING THAT OHIO IS A HIGH-TECH
STATE.
00:06:50I THINK HE SET IT ON YOUR SHOW
LAST WEEK.
00:06:54THE TRUTH IS IT IS NOT.
FEDERAL DATA SHOWS THAT AS A
00:06:58PERCENTAGE OR AS A SHARE, I
SHOULD SAY, OF PERSONAL INCOME,
00:07:03OHIO STATE AND LOCAL TAXES ARE
ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN
00:07:06THOSE OF THE NEIGHBORING STATES.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR TAXES ON A
00:07:10PER-CAPITA BASIS, WE ARE LOWER
THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
00:07:13THE TRUTH IS THAT THERE IS VERY
LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STATES
00:07:16OR AMONG STATES IN TERMS OF THE
TAX BURDEN.
00:07:19CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY
THE KIND OF ARGUMENT THAT THE
00:07:23GOVERNOR MAKES ABOUT COMPETITIVE
DIFFERENCES WHEN HE IS ARGUING
00:07:26FOR TAX CUTS THAT FAVOR THE
WEALTHY.
00:07:28>> THE SALES TAX BRIGHTENING,
THERE IS AT CAUGHT IN THIS
00:07:33BUDGET GOING FROM 5.5% TO 5%
EVEN IF IT IS BROADENED INTO THE
00:07:39SERVICES OF THE CLAIM IS THAT
THIS IS A TAX CUT IS AT LEAST
00:07:43PARTIALLY ACCURATE.
>> YES.
00:07:44>> WHEN YOU COUPLE IT WITH THE
INCOME TAX CUT IT APPEARS THAT
00:07:48SOME PEOPLE WILL SAVE MONEY.
>> THAT IS THE KEY POINT.
00:07:51SOME PEOPLE SAVE MONEY.
LET'S LOOK AT WHO THEY ARE.
00:07:54UNDER THE SALES TAX, EXPANSION,
IT IS TRUE.
00:07:59HE WILL CUT THE SALES TAX FROM
5.5% TO 5%.
00:08:01HE THEN EXTENDS THE SALES TAX TO
LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF ITEMS THAT
00:08:08REGULAR PEOPLE USE EVERY DAY AND
THAT WE ARE -- AND THAT WERE
00:08:13TAXED PREVIOUSLY.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS
00:08:17WHEN YOU PUT BOTH PARTS OF HIS
TAX PLAN TOGETHER?
00:08:21TAKE THE INCOME TAX CUT AND YOU
TAKE THE SALES TAX EXPANSION AND
00:08:25PUT THEM TOGETHER, WHAT HAPPENS?
POLICY MATTERS OHIO IN CLEVELAND
00:08:30HAVE CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS AND
WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THE RICHEST
00:08:321% OF PEOPLE IN OHIO GET AN
ANNUAL TAX CUT WELL OVER $10,000
00:08:39A YEAR WHEREAS MIDDLE AND LOW-
INCOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN A NET
00:08:41TAX INCREASE.
IT IS NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND
00:08:46WHY.
THE INCOME TAX IS THE ONLY TAX
00:08:48WE HAVE IN OHIO THAT IS BASED ON
THE ABILITY TO PAY SO THE MORE
00:08:51YOU MAKE, THE MORE YOU PAY.
THE SALES TAX IS REGRESSIVE.
00:08:55IT IS REGRESSIVE, THAT MEANS IT
HITS THE POOR AND THE MIDDLE
00:08:59CLASS HARDER THAN WEALTHY PEOPLE
BECAUSE MIDDLE AND LOW-INCOME
00:09:02PEOPLE SPEND A LARGE PERCENTAGE
OF THEIR INCOME ON REGULAR --
00:09:06EVERYEVERYDAY THINGS THAT DIRECR
PEOPLE.
00:09:12WHEN YOU CUT THE PROGRESSIVE
INCOME TAX AND EXPAND THE
00:09:15REGRESSIVE SALES TAX, ALL YOU
HAVE DONE IS SHIFTED THE BURDEN
00:09:18OF TAXES AWAY FROM THE WEALTHY
ONTO THE BACKS OF THE MIDDLE AND
00:09:21LOW-INCOME FOLKS.
>> WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT THE
00:09:24WEALTHY BEING JOB CREATORS.
BEING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
00:09:27BUSINESSES WHO CAN AFFORD TO
HIRE PEOPLE.
00:09:32WHY NOT FREE THE MAPS OF THE CAN
AFFORD TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE?
00:09:36>> THIS IS ANOTHER ARGUMENT.
IT SEEMS IMPERVIOUS TO THEIR
00:09:42ARGUMENT.
WE ESTABLISHED THAT JOBS DO NOT
00:09:45COME FROM TAX CUTS FOR THE
WEALTHY.
00:09:46WHERE DO THEY COME FROM?
WHERE JOBS COME FROM, WHERE JOB
00:09:51CREATION COMES FROM IS RISING
CONSUMER DEMAND.
00:09:54NO BUSINESS WHETHER THEY ARE
LARGE OR SMALL IS GOING TO HIRE
00:09:58A NEW WORKER UNLESS HE/SHE IS
CONVINCED THAT THEIR CUSTOMERS
00:10:02WILL BUY ENOUGH OF THEIR GOODS
AND SERVICES TO COVER THE COST
00:10:06OF HIRING THAT ADDITIONAL
WORKER.
00:10:08WHAT THAT MEANS IS OUR TAX
POLICIES OUGHT TO BE GEARED
00:10:12TOWARD PUTTING MONEY INTO THE
POCKETS OF MIDDLE AND LOW-INCOME
00:10:15PEOPLE.
WHY?
00:10:16BECAUSE THEY WILL SPEND IT.
THEY WILL SPEND EVERY DIME
00:10:21BUYING CARS AND WASHING
MACHINES AND OTHER GOODS AND
00:10:23SERVICES WE NEED TO GET OUR
ECONOMY HUMMING.
00:10:25THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RICH PEOPLE
TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF
00:10:28PURCHASES, TO MAKE THE VOLUME
OF THOSE PURCHASES.
00:10:30HOW MANY CARS CAN THE TOP 1% BY?
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
00:10:35SCHOOL FUNDING.
I ASK THE GOVERNOR ABOUT THE
00:10:38CLAIMS DEMOCRATS HAVE MADE THAT
WHILE NO SCHOOL DISTRICT IS
00:10:41GETTING CUT IN THIS BUDGET, THE
STATE IS STILL NOT BACK TO WHERE
00:10:45IT WAS BEFORE THE GOVERNOR'S
FIRST BUDGET IN WHICH SCHOOL
00:10:49FUNDING WAS CUT AND HE SAYS THAT
IS NOT TRUE.
00:10:51>> YES.
HE SAYS IT IS NOT TRUE BUT THE
00:10:55BLUE BOOK OF HIS OWN
ADMINISTRATION SAYS IT IS TRUE.
00:10:57HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
IN ITS FIRST BUDGET, HE CUT
00:11:03$1.80 BILLION FROM OUR SCHOOLS.
IN HIS SECOND BUDGET, HE HAS NOT
00:11:06MADE THAT MONEY UP.
HIS OWN BLUE BOOK SHOWS THAT
00:11:10SCHOOLS, EVEN WITH THE ONE TIME
MONEY INCREASES THAT HE HAS PUT
00:11:13IN THERE, ARE STILL OVER $300
MILLION IN THE RED FROM WHERE
00:11:18THEY WERE ON THE DAY HE WALKED
INTO OFFICE.
00:11:20SO IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE THAT
SCHOOL FUNDING HAS BEEN
00:11:25EXPANDED.
THE ONLY WAY THE GOVERNOR CAN
00:11:29CLAIM TO HAVE INCREASED SCHOOL
FUNDING IS IF HE USES HIS FIRST
00:11:33BUDGET AS THE BASELINE WHERE HE
CUT $1.80 BILLION, BUT IF YOU
00:11:39TAKE OUT THE ONETIME MONEY THAT
HE HAS INCREASED WHETHER THAT IS
00:11:44THE GUARANTEE, WHICH HE SAYS IS
NOT SUSTAINABLE AND HAS TO GO
00:11:49AWAY IN THE NEXT BUDGET OR YOU
LOOK AT THE A + INNOVATION FUND,
00:11:51YOU TAKE THAT MONEY OUT OF THE
BUDGET AND WHAT YOU FIND IS
00:11:55THAT THE ENTIRE $1.80 BILLION
CUT IS STILL THERE FROM HIS
00:12:01FIRST BUDGET AND THAT IS WHY
INNOVATION OHIO, THE
00:12:06ORGANIZATION I WORK FOR HAS
FOUND THAT SINCE HE BECAME
00:12:09GOVERNOR THERE HAVE BEEN OVER $1
BILLION IN LOCAL LEVIES PUT ON
00:12:12THE BALLOT FOR -- FROM ONE END
OF OHIO TO THE OTHER JUST FOR
00:12:18SCHOOLS.
AND THAT IS NOT REPLACEMENT LEVY
00:12:22MONEY.
THAT IS NEW MONEY REQUESTS.
00:12:23THESE SCHOOLS WHETHER THEY HAVE
-- THEY HAVE CUT, THEY HAVE LAID
00:12:29PEOPLE OFF, THEY HAVE INCREASED
THE HEALTH CARE CONTRIBUTIONS
00:12:32FROM THEIR EMPLOYEES, THEY HAVE
CONSOLIDATED, THEY HAVE DONE ALL
00:12:35THE THINGS THE GOVERNOR SAID
THEY SHOULD DO AND THEY ARE
00:12:37STILL WITHOUT A LOT OF MONEY.
THERE IS $1 BILLION OF LEVEES
00:12:42AND THAT IS ALL HE IS DOING, A
SHELL GAME.
00:12:44HE CUT TAXES AT THE STATE LEVEL
AND CUT MONEY AND ALL THAT DOES
00:12:48IS PUSH THE NEED FOR TAX
INCREASES DOWN TO THE LOCAL
00:12:51LEVEL.
IT IS A SHELL GAME.
00:12:52>> THE GOVERNOR SAID HE IS OPEN
TO IDEAS AND OPEN TO IDEAS FROM
00:12:58REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
WHAT ARE YOUR IDEAS?
00:13:02>> THE FIRST POINT TO MAKE WITH
REGARD TO THE TAX CUT, UNTIL
00:13:08OHIO HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO RESTORE
THIS $1.80 BILLION WE CUT FROM
00:13:12SCHOOLS AND A BILLION DOLLARS
THAT WEEK CUT FROM LOCAL
00:13:15GOVERNMENTS, AT A TIME WHEN WE
HAVE ALL THESE LOCAL LEVIES ON
00:13:18THE BALLOT TO MAKE UP FOR THIS
MONEY, YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD CASE.
00:13:22MAYBE WE SHOULD NOT BE CUTTING
TAXES RIGHT NOW.
00:13:24IF YOU ARE GOING TO CUT TAXES,
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
00:13:30ARE CUT FOR MIDDLE AND LOW-
INCOME PEOPLE.
00:13:32PUT MONEY IN THEIR POCKET.
THEY WILL GO OUT AND BUY THE
00:13:35THINGS TO GET THE ECONOMY
MOVING AND THAT IS HOW WE BUILD
00:13:39A STRONG ECONOMY.
THAT IS HOW WE CREATE JOBS.
00:13:41>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
00:13:44>> WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
>> AS A GOVERNOR BATTLES TO
00:13:57PRESERVE HIS BUDGET HE IS FACING
OPPOSITION FROM MEMBERS OF HIS
00:14:00OWN PARTY.
ON THE BROADENING OF THE SALES
00:14:03TAX, ON BIG OIL AND NATURAL GAS
DRILLERS AND THE EXPANSION OF
00:14:08MEDICAID.
THIS DIFFERENCES ARE REFLECTIVE
00:14:12OF A STRUGGLE GOING ON IN
CONSERVATIVES.
00:14:14THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY IS
GEARING UP FOR NEXT YEAR'S
00:14:17CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR ALONG WITH
THE RACES FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL,
00:14:20AUDITOR, SECRETARY OF STATE, AND
TREASURER.
00:14:23PLUS THE RACES FOR A HIGH OF
SEATS IN CONGRESS.
00:14:29THE PARTY IS ALSO PREPARING FOR
THE RETIREMENT OF BOB BENNETT
00:14:33WHO CAME BACK TO HELP THE OHIO
GOP AFTER THEY RESENTED IN HIM
00:14:39COMING BACK OUT OF HIS FIRST
RETIREMENT TO TAKE OVER FROM THE
00:14:43FORMER CHAIR.
A COALITION OF CONSERVATIVE
00:14:46GROUPS SAYS THEY HAVE SOME
PROBLEMS WITH THE PARTY.
00:14:48MEMBERS OF THOSE GROUPS HAVE
SIGNED A STATEMENT BLASTING THE
00:14:52TAX SHIFT IN THE SEVERANCE TAX
HIKE AND THE MEDICARE EXPANSION.
00:14:56ALSO SENATOR ROBB PORTMAN'S
CHANGE OF HEART ON GAY MARRIAGE
00:15:01AND THEY CALL BORGIS A MAN WHO
PUT GUILTY TO A MISDEMEANOR AND
00:15:13SERVED AS A LOBBY FOR THE
HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVIST GROUP
00:15:16EQUALITY OF OHIO.
THE STATEMENT READS IN PART, THE
00:15:20SIGNERS BELIEVE OHIO IS BEST
SERVED WITH LOW TAXATION.
00:15:24THIS STANCE FOR THE RIGHT TO
LIFE FOR UNBORN CHILDREN AND
00:15:32BELIEVED THIS STATE AND CHAIRMAN
SHOULD FIGHT FOR THESE VALUES.
00:15:38ALONG WITH SIGNERS ARE THE
FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVES.
00:15:42JANET FOLGER PORTER OF FAITH TO
ACTION, ALONG WITH THE
00:15:53PRESIDENET ENT OF THE WE THE PEE
COALITION.
00:16:01TOM, THE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN MADE
THAT IF YOU TAKE AWAY ONE OF THE
00:16:07LEGS OF THE STOOL IN THE
GOVERNOR'S BUDGET SUCH AS THE
00:16:09SEVERANCE TAX OR THE BROADENING
SALES TAX YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE
00:16:13TO KEEP THAT LEG THAT YOU WANT,
THE INCOME TAX CUTS.
00:16:18WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WITH REGARD
TO KEEPING THE TAX CUTS BUT DO
00:16:21NOT DO THE THINGS YOU DO NOT
LIKE?
00:16:25>> THE ISSUE FOCUSES AROUND
BEING A CONSERVATIVE.
00:16:28IF YOU ARE CONSERVATIVE YOU ARE
TRYING NOT TO EXPAND GOVERNMENT,
00:16:32YOU'RE TRYING TO DO MORE WITH
THE MONEY THAT THE TAXPAYERS
00:16:34PROVIDE TO YOU AND WE ARE
TROUBLED BY THE GOVERNMENT --
00:16:37THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE EVEN WITH
THE SALES TAX CHANGES, EXPANDING
00:16:42THE BASE OF SALES TAXES AND THE
CUT IN INCOME TAX FOR THE
00:16:47GENERAL POPULATION, THE BUDGET
STILL INCREASES BY 6%.
00:16:51THAT DOES NOT SOUND CONSERVATIVE
TO US AND IT IS NOT REVENUE-
00:16:56NEUTRAL.
WHEN YOU THROW IN THE ISSUE WITH
00:16:59THE MEDICAID EXPANSION IT CAUSES
US SOME CONCERN.
00:17:03>> DO YOU FEEL THAT THE SOLUTION
IS SPENDING CUTS WHICH THE
00:17:06GOVERNOR HAS SAID THE BUDGET IS
LEAN ALREADY AND THE STATE PERIL
00:17:10IS THAT ONE OF ITS LOWEST LEVEL
IN RECENT YEARS.
00:17:12DO YOU BELIEVE THAT SOLUTION IS
SPENDING CUTS AND WHERE WOULD
00:17:16YOU MAKE THEM?
>> WE THINK THERE IS PLENTY OF
00:17:18ROOM TO MAKE THESE CUTS, PLENTY
OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE DUPLICATED
00:17:23WITHIN THE STATE.
THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN WORKING ON
00:17:25THAT AND WE APPLAUD HIM FOR THAT
AND HE HAS MADE GREAT HEADWAY.
00:17:28OUR CONCERN IS THE MEDICAID
EXPANSION.
00:17:32THE REALITY IS WE ARE SPENDING
SOMETHING LIKE 35% OF OUR STATE
00:17:37BUDGET ON MEDICAID.
MEDICAID PROVIDES INFERIOR CARE
00:17:42FOR THESE POOR, NEEDY PEOPLE.
WE AS CONSERVATIVES FEEL GREAT
00:17:45COMPASSION FOR THESE PEOPLE.
WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THEM BUT
00:17:49THE WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM IS
NOT TO STICK ANOTHER 600,000
00:17:52PEOPLE INTO A BROKEN PROGRAM.
THE WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM IS
00:17:56TO REFORM OUR EXISTING MEDICAID
PROGRAM TO PROVIDE GOOD, QUALITY
00:18:01CARE AND ALSO TAKE CARE OF THE
TAXPAYERS' MONEY.
00:18:04>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
OVERALL INTENT OF YOUR
00:18:08STATEMENT.
THE T IN TEA PARTY I UNDERSTAND
00:18:15WAS TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
00:18:20TAXES.
THE IDEA THAT THE PARTY SHOULD
00:18:25BE PRO-LIFE AND YOU HAVE YOUR
CONCERNS ABOUT MATT BORGES.
00:18:28THEY'RE NOT TAIEX RELATED
ISSUES.
00:18:33HOW CAN YOU TALK ABOUT BEING A
TEA PARTY MEMBER WHEN YOU'RE
00:18:36DEALING WITH SOCIAL ISSUES?
>> OUR GROUP OFFICIALLY CHANGED
00:18:44THE MEANING TO TOTALLY ENGAGED
AMERICANS.
00:18:49AS WE HAVE GONE INTO THIS
POLITICAL WORLD IN THE LAST FOUR
00:18:52YEARS WE HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT
THE PROBLEMS ARE NOT JUST
00:18:56TAXATION.
THERE ARE DEEPER AND BROADER
00:18:58THAN THAT.
IN OUR LETTER IT WAS CLEAR THAT
00:19:01THERE WERE SIGNEES AND WE HAVE
OVER 500 ONLINE NOW.
00:19:08THESE PEOPLE COME FROM ALL
BACKGROUNDS.
00:19:10MY CONCERN WAS THE FISCAL
ISSUES.
00:19:14I DO NOT KNOW MATT OR THE
HISTORY OF HIS BACKGROUND WITH
00:19:22THIS CHARGE HE PUT GUILTY TO.
ALL I KNOW THAT -- IS THAT AS A
00:19:27BUSINESSMAN WHEN HE WAS ADDED TO
THE STAFF, THERE WAS PUSHED
00:19:30BACK.
I KNOW FOR FACT THERE WAS PUSHED
00:19:32BACK BY A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF
THE REPUBLICAN BASE.
00:19:36IF I AM THE MANAGER AND IF I AM
RUNNING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
00:19:41BETWEEN NOW -- THEN AND NOW, MY
JOB IS TO GET THE PEOPLE WHO
00:19:46HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIM AND
FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY CAN LIVE
00:19:50WITH EACH OTHER AND IF THEY
COULD, THEN YOU NAME HIM TO HEAD
00:19:53THE PARTY BUT IF YOU COULD NOT
YOU CANNOT DO THAT.
00:19:56AND IF YOU DO NOT BRING THEM
TOGETHER AND YOU JUST APPOINT
00:19:59THEM, YOU'RE TELLING THE PEOPLE
YOU DO NOT CARE WHERE YOU THINK
00:20:03AND YOU ARE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU
ARE GOING TO DO?
00:20:06THAT IS BAD GOVERNMENT AND
ADMINISTRATION.
00:20:10IT IS BAD FOR THE PARTY.
>> THE PARTY WENT THROUGH AN
00:20:15UPHEAVAL IN ITS LEADERSHIP IN
NOVEMBER.
00:20:17BARACK OBAMA WON OHIO AND THE
STATE WILL BE VOTING ON
00:20:25GOVERNOR AND FOUR OTHER
STATEWIDE EXECUTIVE OFFICES.
00:20:29AT THE 2014 CAMPAIGNS ALREADY
UNDER WAY AND WITH THIS
00:20:33LEADERSHIP OF PEOPLE -- THE
UPHEAVAL IN RECENT, IS THIS THE
00:20:41TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE
PARTY AND THROWING THINGS INTO
00:20:45DISARRAY AGAIN?
>> BOB BENNETT DESERVES A LOT OF
00:20:48CREDIT FOR COMING OUT OF
RETIREMENT.
00:20:50I DO NOT THINK HE WOULD
VOLUNTEER FOR THE JOB.
00:20:52HE WAS DRAFTED.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN ASK
00:20:55OF ONE MAN.
HE SERVED THE PARTY WELL.
00:20:58IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THERE'S
GOING TO BE A CHANGE THIS YEAR
00:21:02TO GET READY FOR 2014.
WE JUST BELIEVE THAT THE PARTY
00:21:05COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB OF
GETTING EVERYONE ON BOARD.
00:21:09ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR.
WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE IN BUILD
00:21:14COALITION BEFORE WE GO FORWARD.
I DO NOT SEE THAT IN THESE
00:21:17ACTIONS.
I SEE UNILATERAL DECISIONS AND
00:21:19THAT IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
IT DOES NOT HELP US.
00:21:23>> MANY OF THE FOLKS WHO
SYMPATHIZE WITH THE TEA PARTY
00:21:26SYMPATHIZE WITH THE LIBERTARIAN
PARTY.
00:21:29THIS WEEK, THE LIBERTARIANS ARE
SUPPORTING THE CHANGE AND GAY
00:21:33MARRIAGE.
"IN A PERFECT WORLD, A MARRIAGE
00:21:41LIKE ALL THE AREAS OF PEOPLE'S
PERSONAL LIVES WOULD BE NONE OF
00:21:43THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS."
AND I WONDER AS YOU TRANSITION
00:21:48TO A DIFFERENT PHASE, INTO A
TOTALLY ENGAGED AMERICANS AND
00:21:52GETTING INTO THE SOCIAL ISSUES,
DID NOT RISK LOSING FISCAL
00:21:57CONSERVATIVES WHO DO NOT WANT
THE GOVERNMENT DEALING WITH
00:22:00THESE ISSUES?
>> I WAS A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE
00:22:04OHIO LIBERTY COALITION AND I
WORKED WITH 2033 LEADERS AND
00:22:11THEY ARE INCREDIBLY DIVERSE
GROUP.
00:22:13THE GOAL WAS TO FIND WHAT WE HAD
IN COMMON.
00:22:16RONALD REAGAN SAID IF YOU AGREE
WITH ME IN THE% OF THE TIME THAT
00:22:20WE ARE FRIENDS AND WE'RE WORKING
TOGETHER AND THAT IS WHAT WE
00:22:22HAVE TO DO HERE.
I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR US TO
00:22:25DISAGREE ON CERTAIN THINGS BUT
UNDERSTAND THE REAL GOAL IS TO
00:22:30PUT A CONSERVATIVE VALUES
FORWARD IN AMERICA.
00:22:34WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
SPENDING IN WASHINGTON.
00:22:38WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
ATTACK ON OUR INSTITUTIONS.
00:22:41WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT JOBS AND
THE ATTACK ON THE ENERGY
00:22:44INDUSTRY WHICH ARE JUST -- DO
NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
00:22:48THERE IS PLENTY FOR US TO AGREE
ON, PLENTY OF FIGHTS WE CAN
00:22:52FIGHT TOGETHER SO I DO NOT GET
DISTRACTED WITH WHAT
00:22:56DISAGREEMENTS WE HAVE.
>> YOU WRITE AND SPEAK A LOT
00:22:59ABOUT COALITION BUILDING AND
LEADERSHIP AND TO SOME PEOPLE,
00:23:02YOUR VIEWS AND THE VIEWS OF THE
OTHER SIGNERS OF THE STATEMENT
00:23:08ARE INTRACTABLE.
THEY SOUND LIKE THERE IS NO
00:23:14ROOM FOR COMPROMISE.
IS COMPROMISE SOMETHING THAT YOU
00:23:17WOULD AGREE ON AND THINK THAT
COULD HAPPEN?
00:23:20>> WE HEAR THIS A LOT FROM THE
LEFT.
00:23:21THEY KEEP SAYING, PRESIDENT
OBAMA KEEPS SAYING IS ALL YOU DO
00:23:27IS COMPROMISE.
WHAT THEY MEAN BY THAT IS GIVE
00:23:29IN AND DO WHAT THEY WANT.
WE'RE IN THE SITUATION WE'RE IN
00:23:34IN THIS NATION BECAUSE WE HAVE
COMPROMISED SO MUCH.
00:23:37WE HAVE NOT STOOD FOR
FUNDAMENTAL VALUES LIKE HARD
00:23:41WORK AND FAMILIES STAYING
TOGETHER AND A MAN AND WIFE
00:23:45RAISING THEIR CHILDREN AND
EDUCATION IS ABOUT CHILDREN, NOT
00:23:49ABOUT UNION JOBS.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE WHERE WE'RE
00:23:52AT.
COMPROMISE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN
00:23:55DO WHEN THE SOLUTION TO THAT,
THE COMPROMISE IS MUTUALLY
00:24:00BENEFICIAL.
YOU CANNOT COMPROMISE WHEN WHAT
00:24:03YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO HURTS
YOUR COUNTRY.
00:24:05WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE ON THINGS
THAT HURT OUR COUNTRY.
00:24:09WE WILL STAND BY OUR CONVICTIONS
AND THAT IS WHAT THIS LETTER
00:24:13SAID.
THE LETTER SAID THIS IS NOT
00:24:14PERSONAL.
THE PEOPLE DID WHAT THEY DID AND
00:24:18HAVE REASONS FOR WHAT THEY DID.
THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY DECIDED
00:24:21TO DO.
WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WE'RE
00:24:23STANDING BY OUR VALUES, BY OUR
CONVICTION, AND WE'RE GOING TO
00:24:27DO WHAT WE THINK IS RIGHT
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE DECISION
00:24:30IS THE MAKE.
>> IF YOU VOTE NEXT YEAR AGAINST
00:24:32THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES AND
THE PARTY AND DEMOCRATS WIN,
00:24:36WON'T YOU FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE LOSS AND WANT TO BE IN A
00:24:41WORSE POSITION?
>> ONE OF -- THERE IS TWO THINGS
00:24:47THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN
SELLING US FOR AT -- ABOUT FOUR
00:24:51YEARS.
WE'RE THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS
00:24:53AND WE BOUGHT INTO THAT FOR
SEVERAL YEARS BUT NOW WE'RE
00:24:56UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE NOT TWO
EVILS, THERE IS ONE.
00:25:02THERE ARE BIG GOVERNMENT,
ELITIST BUREAUCRATS WHO DO NOT
00:25:06REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE
PEOPLE.
00:25:07IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE ONE EVIL
YOU ARE -- WE WILL FIGHT YOU
00:25:12WITH ALL THAT WE HAVE.
THE SECOND THING THAT I HAVE
00:25:14TOLD THE REPUBLICAN PEOPLE WHO
CHALLENGE OUR POSITION IS THIS.
00:25:21THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ANY
GROUP THAT SUPPORTS THEM AND
00:25:25ATTACKED THEM AND DO SOMETHING
TO THEM, WHATEVER WAS
00:25:30POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT.
THOSE GROUPS WOULD COME BACK AND
00:25:32WORK FOR THEM AND VOTE FOR THEM
BECAUSE THOSE GROUPS NEEDED
00:25:35THEM.
THEY HAD GIVEN THEM SOMETHING.
00:25:38THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NOT
GIVEN US ANYTHING.
00:25:41AND WE DO NOT NEED THEM.
WE WILL NOT COME BACK IF THEY DO
00:25:45NOT STAY TRUE TO THEIR VALUES.
WE WILL FIND ANOTHER PATH.
00:25:49IF THAT RESULTS IN DEMOCRATS
WINNING ELECTIONS, THAT IS THEIR
00:25:53CHOICE, NOT OURS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING
00:25:57HERE.
I APPRECIATE IT.
00:25:59>> THANK YOU.
>> THAT IS IT FOR THIS WEEK.
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